Who here has been single all their life.

（´Д｀;;) i get really nervous around girls for some reason, especially when i like them. Is it game over for me?

>>1
Until women mature, only jerks and retards get them. Don't worry though, it's not worth the hassle. You're better alone.

>>2 is right. They're usually very boring, and when you're in a relationship with one, the level of chatter suddenly goes through the roof, while they grow more and more boring. It's really a bother.

>>1
At least know that you're not alone. It's impossible for me to get intimate with females, even when they're piss drunk and feebly clinging to me. Eventually the girls just get bored with me and look for someone else.

I've also got a definitive case of paruresis and possibly APD too, but I haven't bothered to actively seek professional therapy yet.

I have not been with a girl. i will die alone. but then again part of it is my own choosing. Sure i would like to have sex. But i dont want a relationship. Besides girls have  a way of sucking a mans wallet dry

I had my first girlfriend recently, but I had been so desperate for years that I didn't know what to do with her (among some other niggling issues of her own). We had things in common but not very significant ones. Thus we broke it off and I'm back FEELING like I've been single all my life. bluh. social phobia sucks dick, except it doesn't, because it can't get you anyone to suck your dick.

>>4
Getting intimate is actually pretty easy, the question is, can they actually answer accordingly? Sometimes. But some other times they're way too immature.

>>6
Social phobia doesn't suck; it's only a consequence of intelligence. The fact you're saying you're antisocial makes me think you're a smart, worthy person. None of us want to be "normal", if being "normal" means being a random fucktard.

The problem you have is that you are above average, above society; and finding a girl like this at this age is very hard.

Hay guys.

>>7
Then why are there so many smart people who are social? Stop deluding yourself.

I like men :D

>>9
They are not smart, but smrat. The smartest people ever was always weird.

yes because you used that gross smiley.

I can't find a girl that isn't some Darcy-seeking bundle of emo and black hole of money.

Hence I'd rather be single and a vaginatease.

All the girls at my college are hambeasts and wiggers. OH GOD HELP

>>14

thats funny because all the girls at my old college, well most were slim, with big breasts, and a nice figure

ahem

anyway ive been single for a few months =/

I have had a girlfriend once in my life. After that ended, I've made no effort to get into a new relationship.

In fact, I can't remember when I last talked to a girl.

I have a shot at a cute anime/gamer girl, but I'd rather go for a normal girl, so I guess I'm holding out.  What is a man to do, 4chan?

>>17
OH MY GOD WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM
GO FOR HER
RIGHT NOW

>>17
Are you stupid or what? Get out of world4ch right now you moron and chase her!!! You're one of the few, almost legendary people I know to have a shot at a REAL girl you can love. Normal girls are retards who go for the shittiest guys to get beaten and raped so they can cry on good guys' shoulders - the guys they'd never date because they are their best friend (stupidest reason ever); cause you a lot of trouble, cost a lot of money, and all they want is to dance and to do stupid things. You probably haven't realized how fucking lucky you are.

So turn your intarweb off and go for her, goddammit!

>>19
Define "normal girls" and how they differ from girls who like anime or games.

I'm pretty sure girls who like anime or games can be "normal".

If you've been single all your life, don't worry too much.
If you've been *actively* trying to get rid of you status as single for more than six months, worry.
Seriously, if you've avoided girls all your life, they're going to surprise you when you stop – a lot of them are cool people and not that hard to talk to.

I have actually actively avoided girls (relationship wise) since ever. Do I have a complecks or what!

Depends on why you've been doing it.
If you're just not interested you're probably doing alright.

I knew about five girls who actually actively wanted a relationship with me and I rejected them. I don't know why I am doing it; it just sort of ignore the world (and thus ignore them) when people come close to me. Yes, I was interested in them but...I just shut off all emotions and close my face and sort of move to another world. I am so fucked up.

>>23
I'm sorry, but that does sound rather fucked up.
My advice is telling someone what you just wrote. In real life. Not because they're going to help you, but just because the more you throw out there, the less you've got to lose.
Anonymous wishes you luck!

>>20
Well, "normal" girls (as in most of them) want to get beaten, are stupid, prick tease, like drugs, the only thing at life they can enjoy is dancing, they make their boyfriends suffer and have them as hooked as possible, they only want sex but they pretend not to, they only care for looks but they say just the opposite, they won't admit they would/do love porn, piss on the good people and would never ever go out with them (although using them for all sorts of things is fine), and most of all, they wouldn't be sincere even if their life, and more importantly, their makeup, depended on it.

>>21
Oh, what a letdown.

>>22
They may be easy to talk to, but "normal" girls are really stupid. Valley girls are just a more evident version but most of them have the stupid gene. They won't catch anything half humorous you may ever think off, they'll laugh at absolutely stupid, forwards, boring jokes I hate, and they can't talk about anything serious for more than 30 seconds, unless it consists of blaming you for something you probably aren't to blame anyways.

>>23
You have a smart sense of not wasting your time.

>>25
Next time, wait till you screw them before you drop them. Oh, wat, that's what they actually love. If you do that, you'll get 10 girls a week, because you're "hard" and "kewl" and "kewl" (yes, I repeated it, normal girls would, too).

Anonymous wishes you luck, but if you don't want a relationship, then you might not need any more luck than you already have.

>>27
Could have been a funny post if it hadn't been for the people who actually believe shit like that.
...
Scratch that, it was still funny.

>>27
CRAWLLLLLING IN MYYY SKINNNNNN

>>28
Lol, I don't believe that, I know that.

>>29
Not rly emo sir, I'm over with that shit, I'm just complaining because I like to bitch over things. I don't want a relationship myself unless it's a rare, freaky, uncommon girl with the strange habit of sincerity.

I am 19yo virgin, emo, bisexual. When I walk on the street hot girls are staring at me, because I am cute. But I am too shy to get any.

>>31
OMG. i am in the exact same predicament.

Well, I could have had a head start if I didn't believe that I was a robot for the past four years of my life.

>>31
>>32
yaranaika?

>>18
>>19

Sorry guys, not really buying it.  I really can't see my anime/gamer-isms leaking into my public life.  I don't go to cons or even let anything anime touch me when I leave my room.  I guess I'm a closet 4chan fan at that.  I guess I just couldn't  come to grips with a relationship that forced me to do these things openly.  =\

>>35
Shut up, bryan. Sheesh. At least girls look your way.

>>35
WTF. Public life ain't worth shit compared to having a worthy girl (by >>19's definition). Don't tell me you want to be "normal". As in devoid of any intelligence and full of shit. You gotta be above all that. Normality is for losers, for social lambs who need to be all together and so "normal" because they ain't shit alone.

>>37

How do you know she's worthy?  Normality is for losers?  That's just the constrarian's naturalistic fallacy.  You're all assuming anime girl > normal girl, whereas by formal logic there isn't any distinction on many of the levels.  They can be just as bad on all counts.

>>37
Cheer up emo kid

>>38
She's not an average social invididual, right? This means she's probably above average. I'm making an assumption out of a generalization. They can be just as bad, but it'd be statistically harder, as I know she's above average in at least one of the fields, while I don't know of any field where she's under average.

>>25
I feel the same way. I seem to have no trouble attracting women but then wimp out and it becomes nothing. I am in my early twenties, but I do still have hope for the future. It is just plain old simple fear afterall, and fear can be conquered with a sustained effort. The important thing is to keep meeting women rather than run away because of fear - run away and you cut off all hope.

I feel many people who posted here don't appreciate the world from the female's point of view or feel that females are somehow radically different from males. I am not sure if or how that helps...

>>40

Do the math.  There's also the probability of being BELOW average.  Not average does not imply better.

4chan, what do you think about going after BOTH?

4chan, what do you think about kicking >>43 in the nuts?

>>44

andy, you cuntrag.

>>42
Did the Math... Since society is bullshit and massive, what's considered standard social beings, covering 97% of them, make up for the lowest shit and the barely above average folks. Most individuals, i.e. most non-social beings stand well above that, but don't push averages high because they exist in a very small number. In a box diagram, people would be like: |[..|.]--------| , where [..|.] is the society.

>>46

Society being bullshit is an unsupported assumption.
97%?  Where's this figure come from?
And there have got to be individuals below the mean.  Human behavioral distributions tend to follow a Normal distribution if not only due to the Strong Law of Large Numbers and the Central Limit Theorem.

A boxplot representing humans should follow
|-----[--|--]-----|
Last time I checked no behavior followed a chi-square or F-distribution.

I don't see how individuals <-> nonsocial.  Furthermore, how that is above any kind of average.  It seems like all you're doing is glorifying nonconformists, assuming antisocial behavior is a  symptom of being better than others.

You fail stochastics AND statistics.

By the way, what variable are you measuring?

>>46
You fail teh boxplots.

You're saying 97% of people fit between the 25th and 75th quantiles.  50% != 97%, dumbass.

>>47
Society being bullshit is an unsupported assumption.
You do stupid things "socially". You want to belong to societies, so you do all kinds of stupid shit to. You follow conventions. You lose individualism. You depend on others. You are vulnerable. You are somebody else's pawn. And the stupidest of all is ruler and model.

97%?  Where's this figure come from?
97%, 90%, or even 80% (which is IMO being too easy on it), it doesn't change what I said. It's my guess based on empirical observation through many years, and YMMV, but it may not vary that much.

And there have got to be individuals below the mean.
Yeah. The more socially "successful" part of the society, there are many of them and they are all in the bottom part.

I don't see how individuals <-> nonsocial.  Furthermore, how that is above any kind of average.
Well, if you think for yourself, you'll realize how stupid society is, and stay clear away from it. Otherwise, you let "society" think for you, become a part of it, and lose all individuality (besides being "unique", all emo fags and goths are "unique", but they're all the same shit anyways).

>By the way, what variable are you measuring?
Human worth.


>>48
Indeed, I wasn't explicit enough. [..|.] covered most of them - make that 97%, 90%, or whatever you want as long as it's the vast majority.

>>25
I've been asked out several times, and even when I really liked the girl I said, "No, I don't think we'd be good for each other."

For me, it is a fear of commitment; I'm afraid that I'll make a mistake and either get trapped in a bad relationship, or I'll hurt someone else.

I know I've hurt some girls by rejecting them in this fashion, too. A girl whose had been single her whole life was brave enough to ask me out about two years ago.. and I shot her down without even thinking about it. Since then, she went on a few dates with some of my friends, but nothing lasting.

I feel bad for her, because I was the first person she asked out.. and I rejected her, not because I disliked her, but because I was afraid to say "Yes".

>>49

I still don't see how group identification is a negative trait.  And how extreme individualism is a plus.  Conversely someone would say you were a sociopath.  A misanthropic hermit.

Empirical observation?  Confirmation bias, availability heuristic.

|Well, if you think for yourself, you'll realize how stupid society is, and stay clear away from it.
Looks like you're living in the wrong society.

|Yeah. The more socially "successful" part of the society, there are many of them and they are all in the bottom part.
Again, you regard situational consciousness as a negative.

|Indeed, I wasn't explicit enough
...Or you know, that still isn't a well-defined distribution. And you still fail boxplots.

|Human worth.
...Yes, like I can measure that hypothetical construct with a robust and parsimonious measure.  Then repeat it.  It's your subjective opinion.  The entire Social Psychology/Sociology community is laughing at you.

For one, I'd like to see you name an exemplar of the ideal person of utmost worth.  Five bucks says you'll say Maddox.

By society did you mean Debord's Spectacle?  In which case it still doesn't measure human worth.

HI WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GIRLS OKAY

>>51

>I still don't see how group identification is a negative trait.  And how extreme individualism is a plus.
Well, we have a brain, let's use it, lol. A group of N people has 1 personality, thus every one has 1/N personality and is 1/N worth in this department.

>Conversely someone would say you were a sociopath.  A misanthropic hermit.
And I probably am. Some other Anonymous posted his dream would be to live in an otherwise inhabited island with broadband, and I found the idea so tempting.

>Looks like you're living in the wrong society.
Not really, it's considered above average by other groups, yet I find the social average so lowly and stupid, so brainless and lambish.

>It's your subjective opinion.
No shit, Sherlock. Even so, I'm honest sure enough of it to defend it, as I think my values are correct, and by the way, although it's tempting to place myself at the top of the list, I by no means think I'm that worthy. I definitely think I'm in that top 3% (as many intelligent people from this board are - probably you too), but I can think of people more useful than I am which should be granted more power and wealth than I have accordingly.

>The entire Social Psychology/Sociology community is laughing at you.
The entire not-fucked-up community is laughing at nihilists.

>For one, I'd like to see you name an exemplar of the ideal person of utmost worth.  Five bucks says you'll say Maddox.
Lol, close enough! Maddox is indeed a worthy individual, though he's not perfect (not that perfection exists). Other highly worthy individuals from different areas could be/have been Einstein, Dalai Lama, the Queen of Spain, and perhaps Nietzsche, who was at least very witty.

>Debord's Spectacle
Don't know what it is. By society I mean a mass of brainless lambs who do what punks, jerks, religious leaders, and "kewl" people tell them (which, in turn, aren't much better), can't see the forest, nor the trees (in fact they're fucking blind), are rebellious because rebellion is kewl, piss on their own culture and system constantly, and have a tendency to make terrible things to their hair and smoke LSD in a tree house, especially if young.

I just hate those fucktards. Just to help clarify how I think, I'll say I'm not anti-system (in fact, I'd like the system to be applied properly, even if I don't fully agree with it), I hate rebellion (especially young people's, which comes bundled with a double dose of retardation), I hate leftards, I hate drugs, and I often value Nature and the Earth's future as an ecosystem over human life, including my own.

>>53
Crap, I forgot to say I hate religion. With a passion. In fact, this issue deserved a post for itself. Lots and lots of hate ^_^.

>>54

Eh, religion is for people who feel a need for cosmic closure.  If you enjoy that kind of thing good for you, you know?

>>53
Sharing a personality.  lol.  The mathematics don't quite work out that way.  I still don't see how self-actualization is superior.  (Maslow was a douche, by the way).  Often people are drawn to a group due to commonality in interest, values, ideology.  The development sometimes antecedes the identification label.  You're unique only until you find out there's a name for what kind of person you are.  Something to that effect.

Uninhabited island.  Damn, where would I get my booze?  Distill it from dead sea turtles?

Google for "The Society of the Spectacle."  Pretty high-level reading material unless you're well versed in sociology and social psychology.

People aren't as brainless as you think.  I see them as predictable.  They inevitably fall into patterns of behavior and cognition.  If you make them aware of this fact they will do anything in their power to prove you wrong (and vindicate their belief that they are unique), which is a pattern in itself.  I personally don't mind this.  It's great for making friends, pissing off idiots, wooing the girls, and getting business hookups.  In this way I find myself objectifying average people as almost algorithmic.  They have comfort zones which limit their range of behaviors.  Makes social interaction very rewarding...at least for me.

In conclusion, don't hate--manipulate!  Your views are far more extreme and are shaded with availability heuristic judgement than mine, but essentially we agree on a few points:

Average intelligence is not very high.  (In fact, it's average.  Duh.)
Average people rely heavily on social constructs. (Everyone does in different ways, depending on disposition, culture, Collectivism vs Individualism, etc)

I think you perceive average people as below average.  Your illustration of the distribution shows this.  In actuality, statistical laws dictate all observations will regress towards the mean.  Additionally, any sufficiently large sample follows the Normal distribution.

>>55
>Often people are drawn to a group due to commonality in interest, values, ideology.  The development sometimes antecedes the identification label.
For intellectual groups, granted. Those are more or less worthy, SHARE groups. Getting drunk at a pub on friday night is a very different kind of group though.

>Google for "The Society of the Spectacle."  Pretty high-level reading material unless you're well versed in sociology and social psychology.
I am not, although I often find names existed for stuff I had observed.

>People aren't as brainless as you think.  I see them as predictable.
I think predictability is a consequence of lacking intelligence (which brings originality, wit). But yes, I've found lambs so easy to toy with and I do it when I want to get something, but I don't enjoy social interaction for the heck of it much outside geeky online boards.

>I think you perceive average people as below average.
Perhaps I consider the average very shitty and unsuitable. For example, there are relatively few people I could have such an enjoyable discussion as this. All most people ever care about is chit-chat. Girls are all like "I saw John, he was with Cathy, lol"; Guys are all like "Beckam rocks, he kicks spheres in an awesome fashion, lol". They aren't smart enough to understand even the most retarded, VIP-quality jokes I can think of. And manipulating them is simple and kind of fun sometimes, but without a purpose, I don't do it too much.

Well you have to take into consideration that chit-chat is a form of ritual wherein peoplehave no particular topic in mind and are in hopes of engaging in deeper activity.  Another hypothesis is that it serves to build labels and characterizations with others.  Girls may talk to reaffirm their clique bond.  Guys may do so to reaffirm group identity as virile.  Again, this all goes into the self-monitoring/self-fulfilling/Spectacle hypothesis of sociology.  It's not necessarily a bad thing, though seemingly moot to those not in the engagement.

So, back to girls.  WHICH?!

>>58
the most intoxicated and incapacitated one, duh!

>>56
Save your opinion of society for another topic. This one is reserved for people who have never had any luck in their romantic life.

I think even the smartest girl is stupider than the stupidest boy. Girls really are the weaker sex in mind and body.

>>61
Then you'll complain that THERE ARE NO WOMEN IN THE INTERNET.

My personal thought is that women are:

- Better at studying stuff
- Worse at concentration
- Equally as smart, but often underused
- More evil and manipulative
- Colder (which is good)
- Better looking
- And who cares for physical strength, that's for monkeys to use.

...huh?  How does that even work?

how can you tell if a girl likes you....on the internet!?

>>64

Ask to see his penis.

>>61
lol misogyny

I have been single because I guess all the girls in my age group (21- 24) are soo freaking immature and want to be like "available" all the time. And they always never appreciate the "nice guy" and see it as a turn off.

Maybe because the way I treat girls is more appropiate for when they reach their 30s or something. Which by then they lose most of their hotness. And dun ask me to go look for older women because that is like ewwwww.

>>67
I hear ya, man.

>>67
By being a "nice guy" you're probably appearing dull and boring.

>>67
You can say that again.

I think most of us do not take an active choice in choosing to be single. I mean if there was one that really chose to be single, its just becos he was tired of playing the game and hasnt met the right girl yet.

If most of us here are "nice guys", well we are single because girls want some wildness in their life. But i think its maybe not the choice of boys that girls prefer that is wrong here but OUR choice of girls perhaps? That we should go find us some nice girls instead?

It would end up being the same though because i think its safe to say that ALL girls want a bad boy. Again let me say what >>67 said. When girls want a nice boy is when the bad boy doesnt want them no more. And that is only gonna happen when they grow old and thinking seriously of marriage.

i think if you use ape like instincts (being very sexual) you will get the girl faster than trying to get the girl by being a 'nice guy'.

And lets not kid ourself. Nice guys always finish last. Its never going to be like those feel-good romance movies you see where you see the underdog (the nice guy usually) getting the girl.

>>71

That would be me.  Sick of girls all going after a Darcy.  It's by my GRACE that they get more than a casual friendship.  Not wasting my time on little girls trying to play sweet-thang-in-a-rough-place.  Don't expect me to take you in later when you're looking for a stable income, slut.

>>67
Or, you know, being a nice guy doesn't count for shit.  It never did.  It implicates you are a notch lower than a girl on the social ladder.  Why should she waste her time on someone lower than her?  Remember all humans "don't want to be in a club that would have then as memebers."  Make sure they know they're not good enough for you.  It's the only way to keep her interested.

I'm single because no girl I've met is good enough for me.  I've only met one who was incredible, but we're on opposite sides of the world now.

Quit yer whining guys, enjoy your youth for all you can:  do stupid shit with the guys.  Don't let worrying over women take away from your time on this planet.  You're missing out on a lot of happiness.

>>71
>girls want some wildness in their life
What a light way to say they are stupid and like shitty gangs.

>But i think its maybe not the choice of boys that girls prefer that is wrong here but OUR choice of girls perhaps?
The large majority of them are like this. Little else to choose. Girls are like Internet domains, the ones you like are already taken.

>That we should go find us some nice girls instead?
If you can tell me where I'll donate all my money to 4chan. Oh, wait, that'd make me unattractive to girls.

>>72
True, problem is, regardless of how much do we love hentai, only apes can really show ape like instincts.

>>74
I'm a big pervert, yet sex is not what I really look/care for for girls; all I really want a girlfriend for is cuddling and sharing and shit. If that makes me a nice boy I'm sorry (I'm a pretty dark person myself, not evil, just dark, and no, not goth nor emofag). Not that I'll change for a girl, not now. And now I'm single because no girl I've met is good enough for me, too.

>enjoy your youth for all you can:  do stupid shit with the guys.
Well, we're posting at world4ch, right? :D

Friend of mine who got tired of the game said to me that maybe the easiest way to get a nice gf is to wait a girl to chase you instead and let her do all the legwork.

Sounds good in theory. In reality yes girls might approach you first but eventually you as the guy is one who will be doing all the legwork of asking her out, places to go etc. And I always find that the girls who really go after their man are like the really desperate clingy types.

Though my females friends always tell me girls always want the guy to make the first move. So maybe my friends theory is wrong and just sitting idly by will just keep him single all his life.

>>76
eventually you as the guy is one who will be doing all the legwork of asking her out, places to go etc.
Exactly, because today's society is so not-sexist except when it's what girls want.

my females friends always tell me girls always want the guy to make the first move
That's because they think asking a guy out, or apologizing for something, is to humble themselves before the guy, and they should never do that. Of course, it's not only fine that guys do - it's a must.

i have a solution for all of you, go to japan

they arnt like the western girls.

>>75
I'm >>74.  You think exactly like me.

>>78
But they try to be.

What I'm about to suggest is a high-level technique.  It's unorthodox and, if the girl finds out, all bets are off (unless you're in the late stages).

Economic exchange.  Equivalent trade.  If you propose the logic, with the phrase "it's a fair deal," you can work the situation to your advantage.

"If you help me with this Biweekly Cash Flow report on Saturday, I'll treat you to dinner.  I choose the place, you choose the day and time.  Fair deal, right?"

If she declines, do not attempt to rebound.  Instead, work another angle.

"So you're not free Saturday?  Alright.  But this meeting in an hour is gonna be a long one.  How about coffee?  I paid the tab last time, you spot it today."

The plan is to force them into a situational crux in which they are presented with a mutually enjoyable event with seemingly no strings attached.  The first proposal exploits a psychological phenonmenon in which if a person commits an act for another, self-monitoring suggest a higher affinity with the cause, thus making her think she likes you more than she actually does, but this is soon shifted as it is a self-fulfilled prophecy.

The second proposal exploits the converse effect, wherein a large and unreasonable plea is contrasted with a lesser one, which is then perceived as far less threatening.

Additionally, make her work for everything.  This affirms a social ranking by implicating that you two are equals.  At no time should you let your speech, body language, attire, or appearance suggest you are lower (even if you are).  Now, this is the trick.  You've got to throw in a few freebies here and there.  More and more as you get along.  Eventually small favors become a given.  You can usually measure this with her smile.  Make sure you check her pattern, like tell a really funny joke or show her something cute once or twice as a metrestick if you don't have experience.  Look for grin movement speed, eye tenseness, compactness of cheeks, etc.  Compliments:  make sure you drop them few and far between.  Make sure they count.  Analyze every word before letting it loose.  Now, be sure to compliment her on a day she did NOT make any effort (casual day, she just woke up and feels like shit, didn't have time for makeup this morning, etc).  This assures her baseline security.  However, do not do this often.  This will implicate that you will take her vanilla, which they interpret as you being lower on the social ranking.  Again, exercise discretion.

One last tip:  don't drop smiles all over the place.  They like their men happy, but if you make it elusive, she will try to determine what makes you smile.  Be a jerk.  Sarcasm and cynicism go a long way as long as you're not bitter with it.  At only mildly interested.  Make sure you forget her name the second time you meet her.  Make sure that after a while, you remember one very detailed fine point about her.  The contrast, it's all about the contrast.  Make sure you stand out from the competition (or potential competition).  Make sure you seed thoughts of the competition being inferior, naive, unadjusted, or incompatible.  As long as you sound like you know more than she does, she may not buy your statements, but they're now on her mind and her mind will subconsciously be looking for observations that fit your suggestion, which makes her believe it more, making you seem all the smarter (as long as you didn't say complete bull).  Again, exercise discretion.

Good luck world4ch!

People have suggested that if you want avoid all this friend labelling shit, you should stand your ground and say to her that you want her to be your gf or nothing at all.

Then that would be really be gambling it all. As much as we all could say "this girl aint worth my time", if the girl was really special to you, you'd want to be close to her whether be it just as a friend or ideally as a bf. And if you put such a statement to her "me as your bf or nothing at all", heck she won't care, she'd just say fine and be happy that she has less things to worry about.

Ahh How i yearn for the days when a man could own a women.

>>81
Sounds like a plan, but that's part of why I'm single and not looking. I'm tired of playing stupid run and catch games with girls. I don't want to have to work hard for love and be constantly tested - that's not really love - nor I'd do that to a girl I like, because well, if I like her, why would I be an ass and make it harder? That's why I lost interest in girls, their absolute lack of sincerity and childish behaviour disgust me beyond measure.

You've got to throw in a few freebies here and there.
Yeah, that's another thing I hate. It's not like I can't pay for stuff, in fact I would rank high in the money department (which is one of the stuff girls actually look for), but I don't want to BUY love. Love comes for free, or it's not love. The idea of having to pay for her stuff (which I'd otherwise gladly do without a problem) to be appreciated makes me sick; ugly bitches, get away from me. This is another case where today's society is so not-sexist, execept when girls want to.

tell a really funny joke
Lol, this can be very hard. They have an utterly stupid sense of humor. They only laugh at completely retarded, straightforward stuff. Anything that would make me laugh, they can't even understand within a minute.

Analyze every word before letting it loose.
Yet another thing that pisses me off. Why do I have to filter my words when I'm talking to them? WTF, if they don't like how I am, then it's over. Same for them, I want a girl that will behave how she really is and tell me anything as she thinks of it without filtering it through OMGICantTellHimThisBecauseHellThinkThisAndThat™.

Sarcasm and cynicism go a long way as long as you're not bitter with it.
Every time I tried to be sarcastic, they were confused and took it the wrong way. Every time I tried to be cynical, they got mad. I think they dislike it because they feel their little intelligence challenged.

This is humor:

Maddox humor > Standard smart humor > Casual humor > VIP Quality > Girls humor

>>82

I never said it wasn't a gamble in the first place.  Compatibility isn't deterministic, it's probabalistic at best.

>>84
It doesn't have to be material.  Such as:  say you had something important to do and couldn't help her with something.  But be there anyway and say "finished early, thought I'd drop by."  Say you won't get her something and do it anyway as a surprise.  Buying gifts is a special case of this suggestion.  Presence, attention, and treatment all work just as well.  But simply put, don't let them dictate how you act.  You are in control, you guide the direction.  Make sure they pay their half of the tab, and accidentally pay the whole thing on a whim once, vary it up.

Heh, you're chasing the wrong girls then.

Diplomacy.  What you say and what you meant can be interpreted very differently.  They have a way of using what you say against you.  Make sure you are in control of the direction of the conversation when making a statement.  Don't fall for trap questions.If your comments aren't kosher it could turn out ugly.

>>86
Heh, you're chasing the wrong girls then.
People says this, but then I ask, where are the good ones? My problem is I just hate how girls are. I hate this "social ladder" shit and having to forcefully, artificially boost my "social status" (whatever shit anything "social" is) against the girl I like; I hate them not being sincere, bold and direct like I am; I hate not being able to openly give the best of me for the girl I like; I hate being set tests and traps all the time by the one that's supposed to love me; I hate that the only thing girls seem to consider fun is getting drunk at a shitty pub with cancer stick smoke and unhealthy loud trash music; ...

I don't have one gay cell in me, but I can't stand girls' personality, so I'm pretty much fucked and bound to remain alone even though I'd like not to. Meh.

>>87

Again, wrong girls.  And if that's who you are that's who you are.  You don't like deception from either party and want things instantly rightout.  Some people can't deal with that type of personality.  Get over it.  It's probabilistic--you just have a lower probability with the population, but it doesn't mean you won't bag your mark eventually.

Where are the good ones?  Hiding behind a book, thinking exactly the same things you are.  Out of your range of sight and interaction.

Drunk, smokes, and loud?  Yeah, because they're trying to delabel themselves from the "princess" archetype.  Trying to disassociate themselves from "goody goody" people.

Let me describe myself so you know where I'm coming from.  I love screwing around with people.  I have fun everyday making up stories about how I got this scar and this scar (like I was in Spain this summer and got in a barfight with Beckham, but he paid for the hospital bill and now I've got his mobile number right here).  I objectify girls as simple-minded people with obvious motivations, inclinations, and attitudes.  I laugh at everything, I manage to find humor in almost any event.  I love to work out--not for looks or performance, but because of the buzz I get, it's so addictive.  The end result?  Sarcastic genius jock that plays with and throws away people regularly.  And surfs 4chan.  Once I stopped taking romance seriously it was a much happier lifestyle.  I concentrated on myself, and making every day very fun, productive, and rewarding.  All girls are very fun as long as you don't give a shit about romance--use them as ways to get in touch with more important people, a way to hook up a friend with a date if he's down, or a piece of ass if you're in the mood.  My contingency is that if I ever feel like I like the girl, I'll get closer, and when she asks to go the next step, decline and say "if you feel the same way in one year, I'll give it a shot."  Then let things go from there.

I think you're a bit too focused on a gung ho approach--complete honesty, complete dedication, complete transparency, etc.  A word of advice, which is my opinion, take it if you will:  Discretion, restraint, and moderation are key.  Going all in is a bold move, which, as an early encounter, suggests that you are dispositionally extreme on the average.  While I'm sure you're a perfectly normal human being, girls won't see it that way.  They'll see someone with a weird personality because, if the behavior is bold even to you, they will think this is the norm for you.  Fundamental Attribution Error, it's called.  If you really are extreme, you're just very picky with the population.  Good luck on that one.  lol

>>88
Where are the good ones?  Hiding behind a book, thinking exactly the same things you are.  Out of your range of sight and interaction.
That may be true.

Yeah, because they're trying to delabel themselves from the "princess" archetype.
Irony. They don't want to be the princess archetype, except for matters related to sex - where they'll hardly admit it if they like porn, for example. I, for one, seek exactly the opposite: a perverted princess.

Trying to disassociate themselves from "goody goody" people.
When did being "baddy bad" become better than being "goody good"? This world is seriously fucked up.

I laugh at everything, I manage to find humor in almost any event.
I do that too... Laughing is very healthy.

complete honesty, complete dedication, complete transparency, etc.  A word of advice, which is my opinion, take it if you will:  Discretion, restraint, and moderation are key.
Thanks for the advice. *Sigh*, I guess commitement and chivalry are not valued features today... And the main reason why I would want a girlfriend is to have somebody to commit to and give it all for :/ . I wish I had been born 500 years ago. But with computers.

>>89
>>I guess commitement and chivalry are not valued features today
It is valued among most modern girls. It is what they ULTIMATELY aim for when they are thinking of the long term (marriage etc).

But when marriage or long term commitment aint on their mind (and being so indecisive they can never make up their mind), they want something that will satisfy them the short term. And as most observe girls want the bad boy in the short term.

>>Discretion, restraint, and moderation are key
That is most true when approaching a girl. But comes down to each guy's personality. Like me I prefer to just lay all my cards on the table when the time comes. I am not gonna play the chasing game because its a waste of time because its just all leads to the same thing. Playing the guessing game just prolongs it. I want to be clear of my feelings and if its mutual, put my full dedication to her and be completely open with her. That I guess is ultimately what the definition of the nice guy is i suppose. Something that girl's find it depressing, a turn off, something below of them and not in fashion?

When you have met the girl that you have ultimately envisioned (not physically but personality) are you gonna lower your expectations?

I met a girl who would make the ultimate gf. Doesnt like to spend much money. Doesnt like ppl paying for her. Enjoys the simple stuff. She is open to all sort of stuff. Wild yet reserved. Doesn't like cliches as most girls do. And more and more. Heck I think she will be wild in bed. cos u always know the shy/quiet ones are always that. She keeps talking about sex, asking about sex, reading about sex yet when you show her the actual material, she cringe cos she still stuck in her catholic schoolgirl mode.

Yet I couldn't get as close to her and end up in her best friend pile. In fact I think i've ended up in "guy she wouldnt seriously be intimate even if I was the last guy on earth".

So I move on and try to find someone to top that. Now that is difficult. Maybe eventually will find someone but till then Im single.

I've been single for a while. Thats just cuz i wanna be. The last guy I dated was a clingy annoying bastard. He called me ever single day. once he called me 15 times in one day! then he always complained about how mean and uncaring i am. he wished i was like other girls. so i dumped him. the only reason he went out with me is cuz i'm short and cute >< i don't have time for a bastard who whined all the time.

well he was kinda right XD. i'm not like other girls. i don't even get along with girls.thats why i hang out with guys. i don't care about popularity and who has the best outfit. i'm smart, i'm addicted to anime i don't have any problems with porn, and i would rather spend my time playing video games in my underwear and eating junkfood. fuck gossiping who is the cutest boy and who goes out with who.

>>92
You sounded like a cool person until you got to the junk food part :D
No offense.

SO YOU ARE TYPICAL FAT AMERICAN OTAKU?!?!"?!?!?!?!11

>>92

I would date you if you wern't so fat, Raven-tan.

>>91

Just once.  Honest, yet kept confrontation to a minimum.  Strong-willed, independent, outgoing.  Cute, beautiful, hot, and adorable.  Extremely smart, nice bod, and a friend with everyone.  Her only downside was insecurity with a deep relationship.  Plus she has a big forehead.  >_>

In any case, I'd like to know more but she intentionally keeps me in the dark, hates gossiping about her love life (and subsequent lack thereof).  We're thousands of kilometres apart now, but that's fine.  She's put a hole in my bucket-like heart for life.  A hole I'll remember and cherish as we go our separate ways, probably never seeing each other face to face for the rest of our lives.  I hope she's getting enough sleep.

Girls want to be:
1) not defenseless - hence seeking a bf with badass characteristics
2) not a slut - hence trying to bottle up any sexual desire
3) special - they want attention, payments, gifts, exemptions, special treatment
4) accomplished - they DO NOT WANT COMPLETE DEDICATION from the get-go.  They want to win it over from men as a trophy of their worthiness as women.


500 years ago, the Renaissance was starting to go bull.  It was the age where every man tried to be multitalented, masters of everything, and jack-of-trades.  Compare that to 1500 years ago.  Human rights were just beginning to get established.  The age of Romance wasn't even infantile.  The world was dog-eat-dog competition, with the lower echelons of society taught to live and die with total devotion as to maximize their output for the better of the kingdom/duchy/domain/whatever.  When was the last time you heard of a ruler going all in?  Chivalry was something taught to justify the occupation--when in fact any of the ranked peoples were anything but altruists.

The world was never that way.  Going all in is a horrible idea in any era.

In the long run, women don't see their partners as lovers.  They are a family now.  The bonds are now familial more than romantic.  You want your family and friends to be loyal, honest, etc.

An alternative hypothesis is that economically speaking, they want a stable holding status.  They want successful husbands that give them room, but attention (so they feel justified in their self-image, rather than as an ignored old hag).  It's a complex critical point, but you get the idea.

They're no longer looking for the thrill of the hunt, they want to have a trophy to mount.

I think girls see themselves as warriors of romance.  They look for a challenge with great rewards, and guage their happiness with the magnitude of the reward and difficulty of the struggle to obtain it.  It's the yardstick to their worth.  Just like how we guys brag about winnings in poker, our alcohol tolerance, etc.

Romance is a safari to them.  They want to bag the big one, and the harder the fight, the better the experience.  But if the fight is too hard, or looks impossible in the beginning, they give up.  I think the analogy works.

>>97
girls as warriors of romance?? That would imply girls are the ones that do most of the legwork. Well unless you consider the following as their means to getting their guy
1. Looking good/pretty (dressing up etc etc)
2. Playing hard to get

I thin its the guys that are the ones that are warrios of romance. We always strive to find that really special girl. The more special you see her, the more you'd want her. And the amount of resources that we guys put it from
1. Time
2. Money
3. Committment (unless you were a player and was going after more than 1 girl all at the same time)
4. Your heart

I guess I am single because frankly all the girls I've met on a day to day basis from uni to parties are just not my type. Then of course when my type comes, she is either already taken or is the type that doesnt want any relationship yet. Thank god I havent fallen for a girl who turned out to be lesbian instead.

I had a close call once with this one girl because I found out that nearly all her friends were serious lesbians (because she plays womens football so you'd tend to find lesbians there). So I got so depressed because I was saying "Man how life loves to insult me with girls. First its all the girls I want are taken or unavailable, now the girl I really want is a lesbian??". Man, was I glad when it turned out to be not true. In the end though she didn't fall for me. She wanst the type that was looking for a relationship yet.

100get（ﾟ∀ﾟ）

>>75
You remind me very much of myself. I'm not certain that's a good thing.

>>76
If sitting idly by is all it takes to remain single, then why do harem series exist? Eh, either way, I'm just going to wait in the background; I never really liked people-- myself included-- anyway.

>>77
This seems pretty true, overall. It's like there is no happy medium or something along those lines.

>>78
WEE-A-BOO! WEE-A-BOO! (Sorry, reflex.)

>>84
Abso-fucking-lutely agreed. To hell with the chase, if that's the only way to find love, then dying a cynical, hermited virgin is starting to sound a LOT more appealing.

>>94
80~ pounds = fatass? Wow, the world really IS fucked in the head. Oh, and YOU WANT MIRRION DORRAH?!?!"?!?!?!?!11

>>99
Ah, such is life. At least you can take comfort in the fact that you've yet to fall for a girl who prefers cats to snakes, if y'know what I mean.

>>100
gb2/VIP/

I've noticed several of the posts in the last 40 echo my own line of thinking, for the larger part (except for the fact that I really prefer to keep quiet). Is this a bad sign?

>>101
>>If sitting idly by is all it takes to remain single, then why do harem series exist?

Because harem series are fictional? I mean yes there are guys who just don't need to lift a finger and he would have girls upon girls falling at his feet. But is he really attracting the actual kind of girls he want? If he is, well lucky him.

>>98

Self-perception, not analogous comparison.  Part of hunting is picking the locale, picking the mark, setting the trap, then going for the kill.  It's not like they put on armor and do bloody battle, as cool as that may sound...on paper.  I'm simply pointing out the fundamentals of the motivation.

And I totally disagree with the men fulfilling the role.  We are after something else completely.  We're in it to find completion.  To find purpose, justification, all that.  We look for a mate that will make our lives complete in one way or another.  It's a pretty self-centered hypothesis, but hey, it's what I've seen from our patterns of behavior.  We seek romance to stave off loneliness, to obtain greater happiness, to reaffirm our purpose.  We don't go out into the world trying to bag supermodels, the colder the better, then brag about how hard it was to get her to like you.  Well, if you're looking for a trophy wife yes you are.  But under normal circumstances, I think males and females work completely differently in turns of internal motivations, actual behaviors aside--the methodology is highly variable, but motivations seem to hold across cultural, age, and dispositional lines.

>>98

Self-perception, not analogous comparison.  Part of hunting is picking the locale, picking the mark, setting the trap, then going for the kill.  It's not like they put on armor and do bloody battle, as cool as that may sound...on paper.  I'm simply pointing out the fundamentals of the motivation.

And I totally disagree with the men fulfilling the role.  We are after something else completely.  We're in it to find completion.  To find purpose, justification, all that.  We look for a mate that will make our lives complete in one way or another.  It's a pretty self-centered hypothesis, but hey, it's what I've seen from our patterns of behavior.  We seek romance to stave off loneliness, to obtain greater happiness, to reaffirm our purpose.  We don't go out into the world trying to bag supermodels, the colder the better, then brag about how hard it was to get her to like you.  Well, if you're looking for a trophy wife yes you are.  But under normal circumstances, I think males and females work completely differently in turns of internal motivations, actual behaviors aside--the methodology is highly variable, but motivations seem to hold across cultural, age, and dispositional lines.

cont

In any case, I think you're way too touchy feely about this.  Thousands of studies have been done on the topic.  We can approach this topic from a psychological and sociological standpoint.  You assumed that your methodology was the same for most--if not all males (or at least was the average).  But as I have noted, the methodology is highly variable depending on individual circumstances.  In any case, I think you've broken the process down a bit too much, with inconsistent and immeasurable units.  How the hell do I measure my heart objectively?  Time, money, yes.  Commitment, I'd have to invent a measure.  But my heart?  That's not a valid measure.  In fact, the other three are a resultant of the last one's measure.  It's INVALID to measuring the hypothetical construct.

Sorry, I just don't see how your argument holds up against anything other than your own experience.

cont

In any case, I think you're way too touchy feely about this.  Thousands of studies have been done on the topic.  We can approach this topic from a psychological and sociological standpoint.  You assumed that your methodology was the same for most--if not all males (or at least was the average).  But as I have noted, the methodology is highly variable depending on individual circumstances.  In any case, I think you've broken the process down a bit too much, with inconsistent and immeasurable units.  How the hell do I measure my heart objectively?  Time, money, yes.  Commitment, I'd have to invent a measure.  But my heart?  That's not a valid measure.  In fact, the other three are a resultant of the last one's measure.  It's INVALID to measuring the hypothetical construct.

Sorry, I just don't see how your argument holds up against anything other than your own experience.

>>101
>Ah, such is life. At least you can take comfort in the fact that you've yet to fall for a girl who prefers cats to snakes, if y'know what I mean.

actually i dun get wat u mean (really). Explain?

>>107
Think about it for a second. I mean REALLY think about it.

If you still don't get it, read over >>99 one more time.

is anyone afraid of getting rejected? When you know that a girl likes you but your afraid of screwing it all up and reveal that your nothing like she expected you to be and end up hurting her feelings.

Yea i know you can just say well too bad that im not normal/or what she thought i was but i feel bad for her too :(.

so what exactly do you do when you know for sure that the girl is interested in you and it hits you like a brick, your happy but OH SHI- at the same time. 

is anyone afraid of getting rejected? When you know that a girl likes you but your afraid of screwing it all up and reveal that your nothing like she expected you to be, in the end hurting her feelings

Yea i know you can just say well too bad that im not normal/or what she thought i was but i feel bad for her too :(.

so what exactly do you do when you know for sure that the girl is interested in you and it hits you like a brick, your happy but OH SHI- at the same time. 

should i just forget about all this serious business and rely on ape like instincts?

>>101

I've noticed several of the posts in the last 40 echo my own line of thinking

That's because I'm >>75, >>77, >>84, and a few others ^_^


80~ pounds = fatass? Wow, the world really IS fucked in the head.

And I find myself agreeing with you here too. We're just alike.

Single men unite in fear conquering strategies. Is there no one here who was single till their 20's but then got laid?

>>112

Still 19, working on it.

I guess if they got laid they wouldn't be here.

I had sex, but I agree with >>101 and the rest

Heck its hard to find a decent girl when more girls are gettin bi-sexual or bi-curious. So not only have you need to compete with other guys after her, you have to contend with the other girls she might be interested in.

I can't go out with another girl.. I tried, everytime I go out with another girl despite how she feels about me...  I always have deep feeling with my friend who I known her for over 6 years..  I don't know how she feels about me or if she will ever think of me more than just a friend.  I'm not social, i'm always nervous, and I don't know how to tell her how I feel or even if I should..

>>117

if you've known her for six fucking years, she'd better realize it's understandable for you to feel that way about her.

girls are ridiculously complicated.

why do girls do that? i know a girl and she just wants to be friends even though we get along so well...

She told me once she loved having me just as a 'friend' and wanted it to keep that way.  bahh 

>>119

You don't excite her.

Truthfully, if I started with a girl, I would hope that she has been single all her life, just like I have been... or at least, have never had sex.

Probably becuase I belive in sex after marriage, and true love.

Ah~, I'm a hopeless romantic.

>>119
>>why do girls do that?

Because they can? There might be 101 reasons why she doesnt want to be closer to you. At least if she is willing to still be friends, well than at least you can still be close to her. Just means you just got to move on to another girl.

Don't hate the game, guys.  It's worked this way since the beginning of human history.  All that's changed are our values, language, and ways of expressing it.  If you can't deal with it, no action for you.  Is it really that tough to just accept it?  Whining about how unfair and immature women are won't change anything.

>>118
girls are ridiculously complicated.
You can say that again.

>>119
why do girls do that? i know a girl and she just wants to be friends even though we get along so well...
Because they're stupid. Refer (Google) for the ladder theory. You're in a different realm, and you shall not be a love interest because stupidity reigns in a girl's mind.

Besides, she wants to have someone to cry on his shoulder when that kewl guy (motherfucking drug addict jerk) hits or rapes her.

>>121
Probably becuase I belive in sex after marriage, and true love.
True love, alright. Sex after marriage? Why? If both are willing it's silly to wait, you're wasting fun.

>>122
There might be 101 reasons why she doesnt want to be closer to you.
Yes, and they are:

1. She's stupid
2. She's stupid
3. She's stupid
4. She's stupid
5. She's stupid
... (let's get 101 by she's stupid)

>>124
You can say that again.
Human nature in general is ridiculously complicated. This is the main reason that I have no friends... well, besides the fact that I'm a cynical, misanthropic asshole.

Because they're stupid. Refer (Google) for the ladder theory. You're in a different realm, and you shall not be a love interest because stupidity reigns in a girl's mind.
Ladder theory? Huh? Don't believe I've heard of it...

Besides, she wants to have someone to cry on his shoulder when that kewl guy (motherfucking drug addict jerk) hits or rapes her.
And that's when you tell her to get stuffed and find someone else's shoulder, right? I've never been in a situation like this (no friends, remember?), so I'm not quite clear on how it works.

True love, alright. Sex after marriage? Why? If both are willing it's silly to wait, you're wasting fun.
Agreed, but what if one or both AREN'T willing? How do you deal with that?

Yes, and they are:

1. She's stupid
2. She's stupid
3. She's stupid
4. She's stupid
5. She's stupid
... (let's get 101 by she's stupid)
... or she could just not want to get close to someone who is actually nice to her. Maybe she'd rather get treated like shit and know he means it rather than get intimate with someone who treats her right and risk getting screwed over anyhow.

So, in a way, you're not that far off.

>>123
Accept THAT bullshit? No thanks, I'd rather die as a cynical, hermited virgin.

>>112
Yeah, me. I grew up in a relatively small town where I didn't have much in common with the girls I met. Moved to a bigger place and everything changed.

To all of the single guys - don't worry too much. Try to meet new people regularly and be yourselves. It'll all work out in the end.

>>124
Ladder theory is misogynist bullshit. Girls really aren't that different from guys.

I don't think women want someone who will screw them over, but want alpha males.

>>128

Or you know, this whole social ladder thing?  Ya.  Sociology is a funny thing.  Get over it and deal.

Ladder theory imho assumes the girl is always looking for someone to sex up with and already has some sort of sex life already.

But how about situations where girls are still virgins? Or not as much as a slut?

I've always thought women find it more attractive if you appear as if you wouldn't really mind if you're rejected. I guess this is a little like assuming that you are getting it elsewhere or could get it elsewhere.

all i gotta say is being the nice guy sucks, its good in the end but.. for teenage years, oh boy it sucks

ok i wanna elaborate more on that,

since youre the nice guy, the girl will take advantage of you sorta like a side dish and will always come back crying to you

its like this thing on bash.org i read bout "you meet all the requirements for the job, but we wont hire you, instead we will hire someone who lacks in the position and contact you about them"

/rant

>>125
And that's when you tell her to get stuffed and find someone else's shoulder, right? I've never been in a situation like this (no friends, remember?), so I'm not quite clear on how it works.

No, that's when you're stupid and pat her, even though you shouldn't; even though she wouldn't do that for you. It eventually happens to all worthy guys. You seem like a worthy guy.


Agreed, but what if one or both AREN'T willing? How do you deal with that?
Three options:
- Neither of you: then don't have sex
- You not willing: WTF are you thinking!? Let's not waste this opportunity.
- She not willing: Try to convince her to, without forcing or anything, remember sex is for both of you to have fun. If she's still not willing, then you don't have sex


or she could just not want to get close to someone who is actually nice to her. Maybe she'd rather get treated like shit and know he means it rather than get intimate with someone who treats her right and risk getting screwed over anyhow.
Exactly. You seem to understand how a girl thinks. Told ya you were worth. Most people who start their posts with "I'm a cynical, misanthropic asshole" are worthy people who see this kind of thing, so I can't blame (but join) you.


>>126
Same here


>>127
Ladder theory is misogynist bullshit. Girls really aren't that different from guys.
No it's not. Most girls really are that stupid. I'm not sexist, I just state facts. In fact, I'd love to say "girls are equally as good", I'd really do, but I'm afraid most girls this age really are stupid. And I'm sorry for it; see, I don't enjoy not having girls worthy of me around.


>>128
I don't think women want someone who will screw them over, but want alpha males.
And so-called alpha males really are those retarded drunken gangs who will beat and rape them. The very scum of the society; truly depicable beings. Yet, in this society of ours (theirs), worst is best.


>>130
I do not think it has much to do with the girl's virginity. The ones who aren't sluts are less common, and they still follow the Ladder Theory to some extent.


>>131
Yes; that's because girls keep some kind of scoreboard on the number of good guys they've crushed, and the number of their female friends' boyfriends they've stolen (these count doble and give them such a warm, fuzzy feeling). That's why few girl friends are really friends. They're bitches to each other.


>133
is right

>>130
I'm guessing ladder theory assumes those situations don't exist. Then again, I know precisely jack shit about ladder theory, and ol' Jack left town, so your mileage may vary.

>>133
You do realize there's always the option of NOT being taken advantage of like that, right?

>>135
You do realize there's always the option of NOT being taken advantage of like that, right?
Yes, but nice guys always get screwed, because they are nice.

One could say being nice is stupid too, but I'd like to point out nice guys don't want do that because they're better persons, who even knowing they're getting screwed by a friend who would never be half that nice for them, they'll still help her. Such is the hard path of a nice guy.

(I quit the nice guy thing, but I have a lot of respect and empathy for them.)

>>134
No, that's when you're stupid and pat her, even though you shouldn't; even though she wouldn't do that for you. It eventually happens to all worthy guys. You seem like a worthy guy.
But what if you're NOT stupid and, thus, refuse to get suckered in like that? I dunno, maybe this has something to do with the fact that I don't trust people in general.

Three options:
- Neither of you: then don't have sex
That'll work.

- You not willing: WTF are you thinking!? Let's not waste this opportunity.
What, just because I'm the male in the relationship automatically means I'm obligated/expected to take the opportunity? I'm not entirely sure how people think nowadays, if at all, so bear with me here.

- She not willing: Try to convince her to, without forcing or anything, remember sex is for both of you to have fun. If she's still not willing, then you don't have sex
*takes notes*

Exactly. You seem to understand how a girl thinks. Told ya you were worth. Most people who start their posts with "I'm a cynical, misanthropic asshole" are worthy people who see this kind of thing, so I can't blame (but join) you.
Wait, so insulting myself on the internet is a GOOD thing? I'm getting confused.

Not quoting or commenting on the rest of the post-- that's an argument I do NOT want to get drawn into.

>>135
>>You do realize there's always the option of NOT being taken advantage of like that, right?

Like >>136 says, its just because the integrity of the nice guy is that way. I confess i am one of those nice guys who would help eventhough I won't be returned the favour (whether in exact or less). But thats the person I choose to be. Albeit I am at least smart enough to only help people who Im sure are not just playing around with me.

But when it comes to girls I like/care about, I would still be there for her eventhough I know very well she wont be able to return the favour. Why i do it? Cos I won't be able to live myself if I just stand at the sidelines and see her all suffering. At least I am aware from the beginning not to expect anything back.

Friend told me once that reason why I never got a girl might be because I just dedicate too much in the beginning. Because of that a girl might feel she doesn't need to go to the next step to get my support/help. I dunno but I felt that kind of thinking would mean that the girl only liked me because of what I do for her and not for what I am as a person.

>>134 is a fucking idiot.
If you don't respect people, don't expect them to respect you in return.

Azrael sums up women perfectly.  That is all.

crap, I forgot to post the links -.-;;
http://www.outpostnine.com/editorials/niceguy.html

http://www.outpostnine.com/editorials/mating3.html

two best articles to describe the position us nice guys are stuck in.

>>139 sorry my friend but thats not how the world works..

>>139
You can still respect everyone around you and they might/might not  do the same.  But, to trust someone is totally different.  Only by respecting someone would you be able to find someone that would respect you back and gradually build trust in them.

Ok maybe this sounds like a fantasy.. I don't know, but I do respect everyone around me and I'm an asian guy in a area where the population is 60% white and 35% black and 5% asian.

>>141
Essentially what the editorial is saying is that girls want the perfect man. One who is both a nice guy and a jerk. I guess same with us guys wanting the perfect girl.

But the mating game. For once I'd wish relationships weren't a game of either party artificially holding back and strategicly planning of how much resources to put in. Why can't relationships just be strangers->aquantances->friends->close friends->lovers? Because we all are usually not willing to put our full trust?

Oh and I took the Friends Zone test
http://www.outpostnine.com/editorials/zonetest.html
I scored a 56 =( So not terrible but i was still sort of in the Friends Zone. Just sort of confirms what I already knew from day one.

As much as I respect Az,  I wouldn't take his scale seriously...It's like something out of a magazine for teenage girls.

4chan, anyone up to help design a qualitative experimental measurement to test the Ladder Theory/Friend Zone?

>>137
But what if you're NOT stupid and, thus, refuse to get suckered in like that?
Then you don't - and you'll probably live happier than most of us who did.

What, just because I'm the male in the relationship automatically means I'm obligated/expected to take the opportunity?
Nope, but since it's so damn fun and feels so damn good, you want to ^_^. This is like not having a free computer when you can.

Wait, so insulting myself on the internet is a GOOD thing? I'm getting confused.
I don't consider misanthropy is a bad thing at all.


>>138
I dunno but I felt that kind of thinking would mean that the girl only liked me because of what I do for her and not for what I am as a person.
Bingo. That's why you're a good person, and most girls aren't. And that's why I lost interest in love.


>>139
Well, pardon me for despising the shitty, brainless, drug addicted fools. I have a lot of respect for intelligent people, nice guys, nice girls (wherever they are) and antisocial people though, and average respect for people that aren't fucking stupid. But as >>142 said, respect doesn't always matter.


>>141
Azrael is a wise person. Nice guys, I advise you to read his editorials.

I also recommend:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=girls
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=lyingbitch

>>124
>True love, alright. Sex after marriage? Why? If both are willing it's silly to wait, you're wasting fun.

Well, if you're both willing to have sex, you should both be willing to marry. 

Not to mention, if she ended up not marrying after the sex, it would be someone I wouldn't want to date and whatnot, as I said in the first line.

Call me old-fashion. :/

>>148
Well, if you're both willing to have sex, you should both be willing to marry.
That happens when both are willing to have children, not when both are willing to have sex. When both are willing to have sex, you have sex. Smarter creatures (dolphins, humans) use sex for fun, not just making children.

Sex aids the bonding process. To remove sex from the equation explains partly why religious nuts are so fucking nuts.

I honesly dun see any major problem with having sex before marriage if both are consenting and are both in love. The moral issues that pertain to it are just old fashion. And the practical issues of contracting STD or getting unwanted pregnancies are neutralized if you know your partner well enough and you take birth control measures like the pill or condoms.
And having more than 1 sex partner is good because you had experienced all that can happen.

Back on topic, I honestly dunno how does one go about finding a girl. Guess thats why Im single. I just go with the flow. Meaning girls I meet through friends, at school, and at work could all be potential girls I like if they were the right looks and personality.

But then you hear other ppl saying you should be going to parties, going to major social gatherings and so on and so on JUST to look for that potential girl. To me well maybe because Im lazy thats why I stick to following the flow.

what i think bout parties is that youd find a girl that gets drunk and fucked.. repeat etc, i mean sex is cool and all but it cant be everything to the relatioship and i think thats a problem now in society

I can never know why is it you cannot get to know the person FIRST before going on a date. It keeps being suggested that if you meet a girl you like, you immediatly go to her and ask her out on a date. Instead of like getting to know her as friend and work from there. Because mostly if you try to get to know her as a friend, there is always the possibility u end up being in the friend pile.

>>151
But then you hear other ppl saying you should be going to parties, going to major social gatherings and so on and so on JUST to look for that potential girl. To me well maybe because Im lazy thats why I stick to following the flow.

Don't worry, social gatherings ain't worth shit.


>>152
That's like saying cheese is bad because you become obese if you eat too much of it. Of course it can't be all in a relationship; in fact cuddling is more important than sex to me. Today's society has much bigger problems than sex, though; most people being fucking stupid certainly is a bigger problem.


>>153
Because mostly if you try to get to know her as a friend, there is always the possibility u end up being in the friend pile.
I'd say "certainty", not "possibility". So the answer to your first sentence is, because girls are stupid, and fuck, I hate to have to say this because I'm not sexist, but I can't delude myself and pretend they're not utterly stupid here.

Hey guys, instead of trying to pin our lackings on the system, let's see what the key requisites are for a female to be attracted on average.

Appearance--look like you're a big deal, and the amount of fat on you inversely relates to the amount of reciprocation.  Sad fact.
Ego--confidence, projection
Hobby--A really cool passion.  Must not be excessively masculine, enjoyable to watch, and the more skill involved, the better
Self-sustaining--monetary, have a car, cooking&cleaning a plus
Exclusive--makes him look more prominent, knowledgable, etc

Not saying what the ideal man should be like, but it seems these are magnet features.  If you aren't willing to change who you are, great.  A lot of men will, and already have.  I'm sure 4chan is capable of being more than misogynist idealists.

>>155
Its one thing to change the flaws of yourself. That is fine and no harm in that. But when you have a quality that is of no flaw at all and you have to change that just to get the girl, then its a different story.

Just like how you are suppose to stop being the nice guy and start being the jerk instead to get a girl. I wouldnt want to do that. I guess it comes down to what qualities you as a flaw.

Y'know what? Screw it, finding love is NOT worth this bullshit.

But, then, I suppose none of you want to end up old and lonely like ZOIDBERG! *weeps*

>>157
Ending up old and lonely is ok and maybe even better. But then you got to live with what society is gonna perceive you. Now if society can just accept that being lonely is just as a choice as being openly gay or liking chocolates then well we all will be happy.

>>157
Y'know what? Screw it, finding love is NOT worth this bullshit.
Well said, man. Stupid girls don't deserve this kind of work/bullshit, and the good ones who would deserve it, don't really need it, but they're already taken or out of reach somehow, so fuck it.

>>154

ppl that are jus stupid was always a problem with society...

>>158
>>159
Oh, cheer up, you still have Zoidberg... you ALL still have Zoidberg!

>>161
LOL but if you follow Zoidberg you end up with deciding
1. Be single all your life
2. Have the greatest sex and love in your life but die very quickly after.

>>162
In that case, if I were Zoidberg.. I would hold an Orgy/Funeral.

>>162
Tough call.

quite an odd forum for they who has been single all their life.
continue fapping..

I'm 18.  I asked a girl out.  They said no, and they didn't even tell me why.

I'm done with that.  Who needs genuine love, anyway?

>>166
I'm 18 and sacrificed almost everything for this girl but she said NO. After that i decided to be single forever and never love again. :(

This is why we should all have arranged marriages.  Let the parents do all the hard work, while we spend our time on more important stuff.

This is why I intend to go for quiet, sane women.

>>168
I'd rather be shot- first in the crotch, then in the head.

>>169
>>quiet, sane women
When you find one, tell us if she has a sister.

>>170
'When' or 'if'? Besides, ONE is hard enough to track down.

>>151
The moral issues that pertain to it are just old fashion.
>>148
>Call me old-fashion. :/
:)

You guys are worthless. I would never do more than so much for women I lust after. They are not that worth it.

>>173
That's why I don't 'lust after' anything. Physical relationships... HA! Preposterous.

Thank god a nice guy like me has found a nice girl :) (nearly  1 1/2 years now) . Due to contrary belief (never had a girlfriend before her, many 'girl friends' however) some are out there.

The world doesnt like nice guys. Nice guys show weakness.

i'm a total jerk, and i still can't get girls.  :(

Bcos girls cant decide if they want a jerk or a nice guy. When they are in the mood, they'll go for the jerk. And so on.

Us guys we at least know what we want in the first place already.

just show your penis and you will get the girl. mission complete

>>179

PENIS!!! PENIS!!!!! You've caused a prick paradox!

So many people just giving up in this thread... it's sad, really.

SHOW HER TEH PENOR

Tomorrow, I am going to confess to the most important girl in my life. I am very nervous and scared about this, but.. this must be done! I wish myself luck.

>>179
>>180
>>182
Shut up, Beavis.

>>183
Hope for the best.

>>183

Tell us how it goes.  And if it doesn't work out, you've still got an awesome friend.  But I wouldn't get my hopes up, confession doesn't bode too well with Western girls.

>>184
Excuse me, did you just insinuate that 4chan is capable of maturity?  Fail.

haha geeks

>>186

haha vip.

haha wow

I'm back... First, Thank you very much for the support... I made my way to confess to her than I got scared and ran away. I was nervous, very nervous, and I felt really sick to my stomach! It was 4-5 hours later until I got the courage to confess again.
When I finally did, I took me 15 minutes(or less), for me to finally get the words out.

Apparently, she knew how I felt already.. Not by anything I said, but the things I did.  She was just waiting. Waiting for me to say something..

Finally, I can't put this in direct quotes, so I'll summerize it
She said I was very very dear to her and her feelings for me will never change.

Now for the bad part:
I got dumped.. short, clear, and simple.

I'm a dear friend that cannot evolve into anything else... I wish I could die right about now...

It's over.. and Thank you

>>189
>She said I was very very dear to her and her feelings for me will never change.

So if I understood this rite and from >>190 (assuming it was from the same person), she cares for you alot but her feelings which are that she is not attracted to you in that way will never change?

>>191

Yeah.... unfortunately, I'm stuck as a friend forever.
I'll just a just a friend that will never be anything more.

>>192
I feel for you man. Im in the same situation. There is always that tiny hope that one day she might change her mind and realize what she has. But now just be glad you can be there for her as a friend, to still be able to stay close to her and to have her as a great friend.

Its the same situation I got to live with. Everyday when I see her, my heart just breaks. Yet I feel somewhat happy that I am still able to spend quality time with her and have fun with her. I get pleasure to be able to help her in anyways I can, to be able to take care of her when it comes. Its a one-way thing but hey no one ever said that love is always a 2-way thing.

Eventually I am sure I will find someone else, but I know that she will still hold a special place in my heart. So don't think about it too much. Enjoy what you have and hope another comes along.

Thank you very much.. and you're right.
Right now, I should just enjoy my life as a single man.

>>27


You've described my last two girfriends to a T.

>>53

You are Chris Lemon and I claim my $5

>>53

You are Chris Lemon and I claim my $5

I've been burned by too many women, but waiting for them to come to me is doing nothing for me. What can I do?

Get burned again and i'm serious.. It hurts like hell, but really there's no other way to get a woman, but to go to them.  More importantly, rather than approaching any woman that you find attractive.. look for certain signs that they might be attracted to you to increase your odds in getting them.  Such as, they tend to glance up at you when you're not looking, smile at you(mostly good to know that you're able to talk to them without getting the brush off), and dress nicely.  I say dress nicely because you want a girl that ISN"T a two bit slut.

Bump for 4chan = losers

Arranged marriages all the way!  You have much better things to do than keep on getting rejected!

Sigh... women...
I find it's so hard to interact with them and truly know what they're thinking.  For instance, talking with my male friends I can tell what they're really thinking even if they phrase it differently or gloss over certain facts.  I can also tell and predict their actions and emotions by their body language.  But girls!  It's just nuts...  I always figured myself to be a good gauge of personality, but with women I have no clue.  Even the girls I'm acquainted with I still can't understand.

It's so hard to distinguish signs that women give... I suppose they're raised to be a lot more cryptic in their actions.  How can a girl run up and hug me (quite often), move my hand inbetween/near her breasts while riding on the bus ("for warmth (in winter)" my ass), and other such contacts, yet still decline when I finally ask her out?

Other situations a girl writes "je t'aime" and then in another language "i love you" in French class.  But the thing is, this is a French class meme of only a select few.  I'm not a part of their meme, nor do I understand the comedy of it, but why is she using it with me?  How is a guy supposed to react?

There was this once when this slightly emo-girl was coming onto me (we shared some common interests, common viewpoints, she was intelligent and relatively attractive) and yet I froze up.  I think the starting of my failure was not showing up at the dance that I was informally supposed to meet her at.  Then, she camwhored herself to me over the internet while under the influence of ecstasy (me: "holy fuck"), saying I was one of her "special picks" or some shit.  There was some kind of invitation of sex too...  WTF am I doing with my life?  Do I want to have sex with some whore? (YES; interesting proposition, but no car @ the time) but yet I think I'm afraid of commitment or some excuse along those lines.  Had the situation arisen at the present date, I think I'd hop in the car right away...

Anyone suggest topics of conversation with women?  I'm pretty sure they aren't interested in electronics, technology, video gaming, or other intellectual subjects...  Maybe only nerdy girls?  Myself, I'm not really nerdy in appearance but rather in action and interests.  I guess I'd describe myself as an average guy.

There are times I feel kinda lonely, when I'm not hanging out with friends (as of late, usually been playing video games with them, seeing movies).  Most times I'm perfectly content!  But would it be worth my while to get a girlfriend I wonder?  I do enjoy the freedom of a single life very much, but those lonely times make me reflect and think.  I've had so many chances to leave my single life, and yet I've failed, screwed up, missed the boat, or misinterpreted every one of them.

Fuck highschool romance!

>>202


Looks like you need to go hard gay.

>>202


Looks like you need to go hard gay.

Looks like I need to not double post.

>>202
Girls really are confusing, but cheer up.  Just keep trying to talk to a girl on a friendly basis.  It isn't necessary for a girl to love and a girl's meaning of love is always different than a guy's meaning of love.  Girls have 3 or more different ways of saying, "I love you" but only one really means that she truly LOVE you, and don't DON"T think of yourself as weird, abnormal, or insane for wanting to be alone and feeling perfectly content.  Take care.

girls suck

the ones you adore leave you and the ones you love but hate stick and you get stuck in a relationship

good points is sex everynight (bj's and handjobs only when bleeding)

but seriously go gay its probally easier....i like vag

>>202

I know what you mean, In fact, I was single up until my final high school prom. I met a girl who was nerdy as well through a friend and we had a great relationship up until September. Then stuff fell apart. That's another story though.

The point is, look for girls your friends know, chances are they would be pretty cool. Having a girlfriend is a wonderful thing, especially when you can relax with them playing something like Katamari Damashii. :)

＞＞２０８

Oh I should mention we dated for 2 and a half years after.

women are useless for anything except housework and babies

>>210

and cumbuckets

I am amazed at the amount of whiny fags blaming women in this thread.
Did you ever think that, since other people don't have trouble, YOU MAY BE THE PROBLEM?

>>212
Good advice.

>>212

But other people do have trouble.  Your argument fails.

>>214
Agreed. Not all of us enjoy going out, getting wasted, and cruising for a piece of ass.

>>214-5
You both seem to have missed the point so much that it is laughable.

>>214
Many people have trouble, many people don't. The point is that you should evaluate what you're doing to figure out why you're not one of the people getting laid loads.

>>215
You assume you must get wasted to pick up women. >>212 said you should stop blaming women; you say not all of us enjoy going out. How are they related? Should women all come to your home for your personal inspection?

>>214
And they don't blame all women for it if they're rational.
>>215
Uh, or you could just get out of your house and stop whining about  it on 4chan. That's right people, the only way to ever have female interaction is to get drunk!
Which, if actually holds true for you, means you're pathetic.

>>216
>>217

You don't quite understand the semantics I intended.  Many people have problems that they can't attribute to themselves.  Their lifestyles just don't suit dating or the such.  Additionally, a lot of people don't date by choice.  I just prioritize making assloads of money over a disposable lot of women.

>>215
...Wrong order.  Going out, cruising for said ass, THEN getting wasted.

This is world4ch.  The level of misogynist idealism is normal.

>>218
Wrong order.  Going out, cruising for said ass, THEN getting wasted.
I see. Sorry, Asperger's Syndrome has essentially screwed my understanding of how social interaction works.

This is world4ch.  The level of misogynist idealism is normal.
... My misanthropy senses are tingling. Is that normal?

Misogynist idealism? Can someone explain that to me.

>>212
Eat shit, millions of flies can't be wrong.

Most of the society is trash. The people experiencing these difficulties in this thread are admirable individuals who stand well above the scum, so they feel strange and alone when they're just being sincere and logic. I feel for them. I used to be one of them, and I still am, with the difference I've learnt to deal with it.

The only way out is to not give a damn for women, at least not for those unworthy of people like us. To those guys I can say: learn to be happy by yourself; you have the gifts of intelligence and individualism, being alone is the price you pay.

That girl you love who would never think of you as a lover, and will go for the "alpha male" (read: motherfucking crack smoking jerk) only to cry on your shoulders when he beats/rapes/dumps her: she's not worth it. Forget her, she's unworthy of a special person like you. If you're feeling particularly merciful, be her friend - but never attempt to be her lover; you're a different kind of people, and unfortunately, we don't mix.

Aim for the legendary girl-like-us. She is our holy grail. And like the holy grail, whether she exists or not is not important; the search for her is. Do not despair, and do not fall for commoners.

I have been single all my life.  Because I cannot commit to another human being (non-family) severely enough to call it love.  And I don't believe in fuck-buddy relationships.  I rarely stay focused on a single girl long enough for it to develop into even an interest.

I recently got dumped by a girl that I had a crush on and tried to confess. I'm not going to give up on women nor am I going to "go gay" rather i'm learning from my past mistakes and applying on the next girl that I feel interested in.  Unfortunately, there aren't many girls in my town that I AM attracted in because most of them are shallow idiots that I can't relate anything with and just being with them feels rather boring.

>>221
Millions of flies can't be wrong? Just like how we can never elect the worse candidateOh shut the fuck up, you elitist prick. The problem is people who are blaming all woman because they're not charismatic. You really believe fuckers whining about how they can't tell what a girl is thinking would act the same way if they could actually be somewhat popular with the opposite sex? Hello Bernard Marx. STUPIDITY IS NOT LIMITED TO A GENDER, CUNTRAGS. These people aren't individuals, just social outcasts. There's no logic in saying that all women are trash and stereotyping them. Fuck off and change your nick to 40 year old virgin.

>>221
Cut yourself much?

>>221
Cut yourself much?

nurupo

>>224
Neither I said all women are anything, nor I said most women are trash. If you get your head out of your as a little bit to reread what I said, you'll discover I was refering to guys as well, and in fact, there's not one bit of sexual discrimination in my post. I never said these legendary girls are rarer than these good people, or "social outcasts", and I criticized all the rabble, not commoner girls alone.

>>225
I used to make a big deal of it, so I was kind of emo, won't deny it. But then I learnt to accept it and live as I am - alone and free of the burden of chasing unworthy girls incapable of any sincerity or fairness. Of course, I'm open to formidable (or "social outcast" as you would name them) girls if I ever meet any. There must be a board somewhere where they're ranting about how shitty guys are just like us here.

>>228
Yes, there was, jackass. Stereotyping any woman who doesn't like you as someone who loves crackwhore assholes. These aren't good people. They're just bitter because they've never gotten laid and deal with it in the worst way possible. Girls who also can't get a date and love chauvanists aren't legendary. You will die alone.

>>229
Nope, dipshit. At the same time, I stereotyped guys of being crackwhore assholes, which is kind of worse, so if anything, I was sexist in the other way, dur. Girls who can't get a date are probably good, out of the ordinary individuals who don't enjoy crackwhore assholes like most others do.

>>229
You will die alone.
So will everyone else on 4chan. What's your point?

>>231

I probably will die alone, but i'm not going to sit around and let that happen.  Even if the odds are against me 100000 to 1.  I will still try, try, and try again no matter how many times I get hurt.

>>228
>>229

lol Legendary.  Look at this psychologically.  Social prominence theory.  It's perfectly normal.  The sooner you realize every human being is a puppet to his psyche the sooner you get over the fact that life isn't designed to be fair.  Complaining about how people suck and her there are legendary people doesn't change a thing or make you sound smarter.  Play the game or sit on the sidelines.  world4ch is hardly the 50 yard line.

>>229
Or sexist in both ways, genius. Your bitter attitude towards women who aren't social outcasts makes this evident. Not to mention you're stereotyping everyone who's turned you down as someone who likes crackwhore assholes. Could it be you're simply not attractive mentally or physically? Perhaps they don't want to be with someone who could turn into a stalker when they break it off with him because of his obvious chauvanistic ways?

Posting in a legendary thread. lol@constant bitching about how normal women are retarded. MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE YOU BECAYSE YOU JACK OFF TO ANIME FAGS

>>235

And maybe they don't like you "becayse" you jack off to German men?

Posting in a VIP quality thread.

>>234
Could it be you're simply not attractive mentally or physically?
This is 4chan. Both of those are pretty much a given for everyone here.

>>235
MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE YOU BECAYSE YOU JACK OFF TO ANIME
Oh, and you don't? Remember, this is 4chan.

>>237
1. durr hurr everyone on the internets is blahb lahblasjdlhsamdas;

2. No.

>>236
What the fuck is this shit

Age = years without a boyfriend

>>240

are you a cute girl

>>241

If I were, my statement probably wouldn't be true.
18 y.o., Male.

argh how can we delete the last post

>>244

You can't.

>>238
1. durr hurr everyone on the internets is blahb lahblasjdlhsamdas;
"Oh, that's gotta be Bobcat!" "No, sorry... that was Bjork."

2. No.
GET THE FUCK OUT, YOU GODFORSAKEN TRAITOR.

I don't know if im capable to fall in love.
It's not that i don't like girls. I just feel like i have no chance to get a girlfriend, even though i try to convince myself that it's not true. I have to mention that i have mild asperger syndrome. Even though i admit having the syndrome, it's hard for me to relate it to myself. Yet it may explain some of the social failures i make, but yet not.
I just sometimes feel like life is too boring to bother myself with it, or as most of the time it's very shallow.
Why is life shallow, why is love shallow.
I sometimes can feel bitterness towards shallow people, who won't show their thoughts and feelings. Everyone is shallow, everyone is afraid of eachother.

And those who mock me or anyone who wants to tear down these shallow appearances. You have left yourself outside the possibility to feel relieved that you may be accepted.

Yes I know these are just mighty words, and no real action.
I know i'm not good to make reality of things i say. But i only feel that life is shallow.
Even though i show signs, where i interact well with other people. I can't get away from the fact, that i only feel that life is shallow. And i don't want a relationship with a girl, where the purpose is to console my feelings. I really want to love someone, but i don't know if i can.
Am I a apathetic person?
Is it apathy that rule our world?
Is apathy the natural state of emotion for humans?
These may be very philosophical questions, but they're universal.

Or should i see the world in a cynical and shallow tone?


Btw i'm 20 y.o., male

>>247
Listen, it's not impossible for you to get a girl.  I know there's a girl out there for you.  I know because I've seen impossible things happen.  People who I thought would not have a girlfriend in a million years have had multiple.  I think you should try, just, being more open with people.  Just stay honest about how you feel and I know there will be someone out there who gets you.

>>247

I have to agree with >>248
There is a girl out there for you and as long as you keep looking and know that you might get rejected from time to time.  If you find that girl, the end result will be worth it. 

>>248
>>249

You make it sound like there is someone out there with a perfect compatible match specifically reserved for his liking.  Doesn't work that way guys.  It's not some treasure hunt to find the right one, it's a personal relationship.  Far more complex than flipping over rocks, which is what you guys make it sound like.

>>250

You're right about that. Even though I hope someone will like me for the person I am, it ain't that easy. I realize that I somehow have to make the person I like, aware that I like that person, and hopefully she will respond to my wishes. But the tough part is actually to be mature enough to be able to maintain a relationship.
To put it short, I have to work in order to be able to have an relationship. Which is also is hard, when you have to rely on yourself.

But what I don't know is how to get the opportunity or how to make someone I like aware of my crush.
Any advice?

For the past 3 month, I got turned down by three girls. THREE. It doesn't matter how hard you try to work to have a relationship with someone and it doesn't matter what you do.  A girl will not show any interest in you as a suitor and only as a friend, if she does not have any attraction.

Then what are girls attracted to? Even though i relize it depends on who you're talking about. I feel confused about girls. I feel sometimes that some girls can't be honest what they feel or what they're thinking. Then I become uncertain what to do, if I should be active or passive?

>>253
what are girls attracted to?  power, for the most part.  they want men who can get what they want, or at least look like they can.

the 'crackhead jerk' effect does tend to exude power -- it's an "I'm so important, societal rules have no effect on me" type thing.  these people are less likely to survive in the 'real world', so after everyone grows up a bit, the crackhead jerks tend to be less sought after, and power is often percieved as people who are successful in life.   good job, good money, the works.  or a reasonable chance of acquiring such.

confidence is important, as it exudes power as well.  "I cannot fail at what I want to do" is similar to "I'm so important, societal rules have no effect on me", except it's more likely to be confident without being a jerk.

of course, your milage may vary.

>>253

Girls want a guy that can take control of the situation and not be pushed around.  Girls determine things by their emotions rather than facts and knowledge, that's more of a guy thing.  If you can get a girl to laugh, smile, and and show that you are confident enough by your actions such as touching, kissing, and holding hands.

tl;dr

>>253
Then what are girls attracted to?
Jerks. Drunkards. Crackheads. Gangs. And other street shit.

>>256
So what are intelligent (read: social outcast) girls attracted to?

this thread is gbs
[e/n]

>>257
Intelligent males, probably. But we're hard to find, just like they're hard to find. If only they knew of this thread, which concentrates a considerable amount of worthy males.

>>259

What?  There are a total of 4 worthy males in this entire thread.  And if you're worthy, manipulating context and conversation to get a girl to like you isn't hard.

Who cares?  Looking for a relationship for the sake of having a relationship is lame.

>>253

Make her want you.  Easier said than done, yes, but show interest and then contradict yourself explicitly.  Mixed signals annoy females too, sometimes to your benefit.

don't act so fucking desperate. that is all

>>262

Amen.

>>260
what's so lame about wanting a relationship?  not everyone really wants to be a loner. :/

This thread makes me want to curl up and die. Is that normal?

>>265

Very.

>>264

There's a difference between being a loner and being single.  If you don't understand what I'm talking about then you're obviously trying to be in a relationship just to be in a relationship.

>>264

There's a difference between being a loner and being single.  If you don't understand what I'm talking about then you're obviously trying to be in a relationship just to be in a relationship.

About the whole "girls rejecting nice guys because they want to remain friends" issue, what is a girl supposed to do when she meets an interesting, really cool guy that she'd like to be friends with, but for one reason or another(for example, she's taken, their personalities aren't compatible, she's happy being single etc) she doesn't want him as a boyfriend? 

Also, as a word of advice for guys looking for "quiet, sane girls:" why not try the anime community?  There are quite a few (not bad looking) girls in the club I go to, and they come across as a little geeky, quiet, learned and individualist by nature.  Sure, there are some scaaary women in such places, but I figure the ratio of these types to weird guys is about equal.  Besides, though a female yaoi fan might seem intimidating at first, who else would actually enjoy going through your massive hentai collection with you? :)

Besides, though a female yaoi fan might seem intimidating at first, who else would actually enjoy going through your massive hentai collection with you? :)

What if I don't have a hentai collection, period?

>>270 Um, good for you?  My point is that the type of girl who is willing to share in the things you enjoy can be found within whatever fandom you happen to be a part of.  It's a pretty obvious point, but guys who complain that there are no girls worth talking to on the internet are rejecting a whole demographic of girls just like them.

>>271
It's a pretty obvious point, but guys who complain that there are no girls worth talking to on the internet are rejecting a whole demographic of girls just like them.

That's probably because most people within our demographic, male or female, strongly resemble the kind of shit Lovecraft wrote about.

>>248
>>249

Brought to you by the Lifetime channel.

the whole 'nice guy' routine is a half-truth. nice guys want sex as badly as not-nice guys. the difference is that the not-nice guys hide behind the notion that they "don't want" sex.

really, they do.. but they want to be the girl's friend first, and the girl isn't looking for friendship; she's looking for sex.

show the penis and you will win

>>274
You must've meant nice guys are the ones who hide it. But no. All guys want sex, but nice guys are nice, and not-nice guys are gang trash that should be cleaned off the society, until there is no more society, and only the individual people remains.

>>276
until there is no more society, and only the individual people remains.

Holy shit.

Just... holy shit. See a psychiatrist. FAST. I may be misanthropic, but even I don't seriously believe that's a good idea.

>>277
you're not EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEM

>>276

Just tl;dr after "until there is no more society" and thats better.

>>278
ask me if i give a shit lol

>>279
 Nihilism

>>279
Faggotry

I HAVE BEEN SINGLE ALL MY LIFE!½

What if in my case that it isn't because all the women hates me, but I'm not atttracted to any women around here.  Most of them are uncultured, idiotic, and ignorant and the ones that are... are either fat, ugly, and deformed in some way.  I'm shallow, yes. But, I look at as a way to avoid the garbage

>>284

If you live in Atlanta we need to get drunk.  Now.  I totally understand the sentiment.

That's an invitation to boyrape.

ive been single for 4 years now, but since my new job, chances are getting better again. i know 2 girls at my job that would like to get into a relation with me, one is fun to hang out with, but just not my type. the other one quitted her job a few weeks ago, i thought i'd better just forget her and go on.
but today one of my collegues called me, told me shes back! cant wait till wensday, lalalala.

Single all my life and happy about it. Relationships are a waste of time, space, freedom and money.

STOP TALKING ABOUT YOUR SHITTY LOVE PROBLEMS AND FIX /b/

Gameboy song!

>>287

I'm single and since I started my new job, I really haven't been interested in getting into a relationship with someone.  That doesn't mean, I am not attracted to the girls that I see at my work place.  But, if I had a chance to fuck a hot girl, I would.

I've never really had any interest whatsoever in sex of any kind. I'd turn down a chance to fuck ANYTHING.

>>289
THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE THAN /b/

>>293
YES, BUT THEY WON'T GO OUT WITH ME

>>294
Buddha kicked your face, didn't he?

It's okay to not have a girlfriend as long as you have multiple sex partners.

PROSTATE CANCER JUST KICKED IN YO

Girlfriend = can't keep my job, can't watch anime/tv/movies all the time, can't check out other girls all the time.  Basically completely destroy my lifestyle.

BUT I DONT HAVE SEX PARTNERS EITHER

300GET

When I see a really cute girl and i'm interested in them, I tense up and I become really shy that I'm unable to talk to her... just stare. Ugh, I'm afraid that if I don't get over this, I'll end up with an ugly girlfriend.

I HAVE THE INTERNET SO I HAVE NO NEED FOR SEX.

>>301
Then don't stare, accidentally introduce yourself into the conversation or something of the sort.

>>303
easy for you to say

>>304

....huh?  How is that hard?

>>305

because women can be soooo cold

>>306
They are cold and will use you like shit.

I wonder how many of you would really prefer to be single.  Lets say, a really hot chick came by and told her that she loves you. Would you reject her and stay single forever or accept her love for a night of passion.  Those that say that they prefer to be single and women are just a waste of time and money, obviously are hiding themselves behind a lie to prevent pain. 

I say go out and find that special girl to share an interest or at least show her why you like it and maybe she too will enjoy anime/games/ and/or other things.

>> 307
i seconded

The first anime I ever saw was "Revolutionary Girl Utena" the movie. I was attracted to it because it was bizarre and new. It hit me at a vulnerable time; my father and mother had just been murdered. I became obsessed with the "emptiness inside" theme of the movie, and felt that this related to my life somehow. I watched Evangelion next, and absolutely loved the depressing feeling both of these shows left me with. I am a person who loves depressions; I feel that I am at my most creative and "raw" when utterly depressed. The empty feeling these shows gave me filled me with emotions I wanted to recapture.

Like an addict seeking another hit, I kept downloading more and more programs, watching tons of shows. At one point, I had two shoeboxes full of CD-r's packed with Anime programs. I had a library of just about every show ever made. I became obsessive, but I wasn't finding that feeling that was originally there. Sure, I could recapture it with great stuff like Serial Experiments: Lain and Millenium actress, but that was only for a moment.

Eventually, I stopped watching the shows I was downloading, but just grabbed them for the sake of having them. I had to have more. I bought DVD's and didn't watch them. Gradually, over time, I felt my aesthetic become warped. What once was strange and bizarre looking character design became familiar; I sought it out. If I caught a glimpse of an anime style character in real life, I felt a rush; almost as if my hindbrain saw it before I was aware of it. I was visiting a Japanese tea Garden and saw real life schoolgirls in the familiar navy blue fuku uniforms. I was fascinated by them; I was drawn, attracted, but not in a sexual way; it blew my mind to see something in real life that I had before seen only in the abstract.

A familiar feeling came through me when I saw them. I felt the same at that moment as when I had first seen Utena, when I had first finished Evangelion. My obsession took a new direction.

I bought several sailor fuku uniforms from online retailers. J-list was too expensive and didn't sell in the size I desired. I had to have the legitimate stuff. At first it was satisfying to just look at the uniforms. I would keep them clean, iron them, and hang them up every day. The ritual was soothing to me.

Sooner or later I had to do it. I had to wear the uniforms I had treasured. I am proud to report that it took me a few months to break down, to really cross the threshold into utter depravity. After that line had been crossed, though, there was no going back. Tentatively, I started by simply wearing the uniforms around the house. I would wake up very early, before anyone could glimpse at me from outside on the street, and simply do my cleaning and cooking wearing the various uniforms I purchased. I got a matching apron. I would pretend I was getting ready for Japanese High school.

Soon, though, wearing the uniform in private was not enough. I purchased a duster trenchcoat and began walking through town wearing my outfit. Nobody knew, and this made me comfortable. But, again, this soon became insufficient to satisfy my obsession.

I began stalking this girl I knew, Sarah. I checked out her routines; when she left for work, when she got back, what time she went to bed. At first I furtively ventured into her place with my uniform under my trench coat while she was away. I knew where her spare key was because I had helped her move earlier. Speaking of this, I'm a pretty beefy guy. I weigh around 240-260 pounds, but I'm not that tall. A great friend to have if you need to move.

Anyway, gradually, I became more comfortable in her apartment. I started doing stuff like rolling around in her bed, stealing her underwear and putting it in little plastic bags, soforth. As you would expect, I became more and more comfortable doing this, and crossed a line. She came home unexpectedly one day, early from work. Panicked, I hid under the bed in my uniform. Immediately, as she came through the door, she spotted my trench coat. Lying under her bed, the sound of my heavy breathing seemed a thousand times louder than it actually was. I could hear her rooting through the trench coat, and could hear the wrinkling of celophane as she found my empty plastic bags. Thank god they didn't yet have her used underwear in them.

I put my sweaty, meaty hands together and prayed.

I heard her walking around the apartment. Thankfully, she didn't bring anyone with her. My mind was flashing; the excitement had triggered my epilepsy. Suddenly, I was barraged with memories from my first anime program, revolutionary girl utena. I heard her walking around some more, and then sit down on the bed. I saw her clothes come off and hit the floor in front of me. During this time I was controlling myself and having a minor epileptic fit. I could see transformation sequences from anime programs I had watched. It was all coming together; the near hallucinations, the girl in the bed above me, and most of all, my sweaty fuku uniform.

She approached the bathroom and got into the shower. She turned on the water. I was convinced that this was the one moment I had been searching for. This was my chance to cross over into the other world described in Utena; the fabric of reality was thin. I could taste it. In many of my anime programs I had seen the seemingly normal characters, like me, enter into a world of magic and joy.

I rolled out from under the bed and bounded into the bathroom. She saw my large form approaching through the glass of the shower and started screaming. I was having epileptic flashes; the screaming sounded just like "KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" I was having trouble walking, my steps staggered. I couldn't feel the floor. My meaty hands slammed the shower door open, but she sprayed me with a jet of water. The water triggered another fit and I seized, falling into the bath. She tripped and fell on top of me. As she was screaming and my blood filled the bath, it swirled around reality, and intermingled in my mind. Her screams, the blood, my sweat, the uniform, Japan, schoolgirls, magic, tragedy, terror, and hope all become one to me. For one moment, I could taste it. The anime reality. It was here, like a precious jewel perched between my meaty, sweaty pectorals. And then, gone.

SO yeah I like anime.

>>310
Cheer up emo kid

>>310
you should have put a warning at the front, "not fap material"

>>312
You thought it would be?

pretty amazing text btw.

/r/ Restraining Order

>>310
from http://4-ch.net/anime/kareha.pl/1119502490

>>315
same guy posted both

>>314
/r/s go in /r/

I'm right now sitting next to a girl I like. I like her alot. But the thing is I feel nervous when I'm alone with her, so I can barely talk to her. I'm not sure, but I get a feeling that she maybe knows that I like her, or I'm maybe I'm tricking myself. For the most of the time when I spend time with her and my other friends,I'm quite silent and don't joke very much as her and my friends.
I belive the others see me as a stiff person. I'm ok with that, but i don't want to be considerd that all the time.
Btw she's five years older than me.
I also sometimes really don't belive that I have any chance on her, but I try not to be that negetive.
I sometimes feel VERY lonely, and imagine sometimes that
something bad would happend so that I would be forced to confess to her.
I'm probably to immature for her.

>>318
I'm sorry Anonym- well, Akomu (WTF, let's be Anonymous okay?); you look like an interesting person which means you don't have much of a chance with her. Don't get me wrong - I wish I'm proven wrong, but this is what I think, and I want to help you understand the situation and don't get false expectations.

After reading your post, and without even knowing her, I can tell you I'm sure not only you're not too immature for her - but she's too immature for you.

Here are your problems:
- You seem to be introvert and decently mature, which is perfectly ok, but girls don't like this; girls like monkeys.
- You don't seem to be doing anything to make her feel like shit. Girls need this to fall in love, or whatever they feel which I don't know if I should call love.
- You're younger than her, which in girls' thoughts means you can't get too much money for her. Girls love your wallet more than anything else, and being older means fatter wallets, so they go for older guys.

That said, I really hope I'm wrong and you have a wonderful life with her. All Anonymii (or not :P ) deserves it.

>>319
As a girl, I'd like to respond to this:
-some girls like really funny, extroverted monkeyboys, but I'd say it depends on the girl's personality.  I personally am intimidated by these kinds of guys.  I think it depends more upon whether you seem confident and self-assured than whether you're and extrovert or introvert.
-some girls might get off on being treated like shit, but I think most of us are just looking for someone to connect to, a guy who will make us feel like we're special to him.  A perfect guy is one who strikes a balance between being nice and caring (stereotypical male friend) and interesting and unpredictable (stereotypical bad boy)
-it's true that money is a consideration for older women, who might be finishing school and thinking about starting their careers, or getting a house and starting a family.  Exactly how old are you and the girl?  If she's 25 I can see this being an issue, but if you're both still in high school then unless she's totally shallow it shouldn't be a problem. 

>>318
There's no way to find out what would happen if you don't try, you can ask her on a date and if that fails, you can be friends with her later. You seem like the typical introverted shy guy and that's alright.  Find out more information about her, talk to her and learn about her, then work on trying to be interesting and unpredictable.

Good luck!

Interesting and unpredictable? You mean it's not enough just to be a crazy son-of-a-bitch?

Open up your mind and let me step inside
Rest your weary head and let your heart decide
It’s so easy when you know the rules
It’s so easy all you have to do
Is fall in love
Play the game
Ev’rybody play the game of love

When you’re feelin’ down and your resistance is low
Light another cigarette and let yourself go
This is your life
Don’t play hard to get
It’s a free world
All you have to do is fall in love
Play the game ev’ryone play the game of love

My game of love has just begun
Love runs from my head down to my toes
My love is pumping through my veins (play the game)
Driving me insane
Come come come come play the game play the game play
The game play the game

Play the game everybody play the game of love

This is your life - don’t play hard to get
It’s a free free world all you have to do is fall in love
Play the game yeah play the game of love
Your life - don’t play hard to get
It’s a free free world all you have to do is fall in love
Play the game - ev’rybody play the game...

>>320

Well she's 25 and I'm 20.
But I am also having it hard to be spontaneous since I have a kind of sick sense of humour, i.e. I find it amusing and fun to play Biko 3, and I am not shocked by the deprived moral in Japan.
Which I think my friends might find it kind of weird or even repulsive.
I also like futanari, which also may be repulsive to them.
I live a really deprived life, with alot of pr0n in it.
I sometimes hate myself because I look on pr0n too often.

>>320
I'm Anonymous 319, and if you were 100% sincere in that post and by "interesting" you didn't mean "does all sorts of drugs", "pimps girls", "sex means rape for him", "is a stupid gang girls stupidly think they will/can change into something decent", or similar, I'd ask you out if I knew you IRL.

>>324
Don't hate yourself for liking pr0n man. Sex is the spice of life and pr0n is one way to enjoy it. The girl may not like pr0n, and she may not like futa (don't go assuming she won't though, I know straight girls who likes lesbian porn and futa hentai), so you may not tell her about it, it's as simple as that.

As for your sense of humour, it's alright, you have a smart person's sense of humour, and very few girls will even catch it, let alone share it, so you have another problem there but don't let that get you down; >>321 said go for it, you have *nothing* to lose, lol.

I know I'm making this a bigger issue than it is.
The thing is that I'm just not sure if I could cope with her, because she is quite lively, and I'm often calm. It's not that I don't like her lively mood, but it's hard for me to be as enthusiastic as she and rest of my friends.
I ain't maybe ready for a girlfriend.
I'm maybe too immature, to realize my potential to be her boyfriend.
I would REALLY like to know what she thinks of me, but I feel it's too personal to ask her that. But I realize it's my only chance to find out.
I also have to mention that I earlier made a girl upset for writing a strange letter to her,(but that's another story), so I'm really not sure what to do.
Since I've got no experience with girls as friends or girlfriends. I'm don't know if I should talk to her or try something else.
I don't dare to ask her personal matters, like how she is feeling, because I don't really get the chance to ask her that. I usally see her when other people are around, and I don't want to disgrace her in front of her friends.
I wish I could be with her in a desolate place, where nobody could overhear us while talking.
Yes I know I'm a coward, but I don't want to do stupid mistakes or upset her.

NECROBUMP

why are so many men attracted to older women? do they have some kind of oedipus complex or what?

>>328 I'm 19 and I've got a fuck buddy who is 34. (Shes hawt)

>>328 329:Though thats not to say that I don't like the younger generation... 16-35 is probably abouts my limit. I looove womes.

>>328
Older women as in older than 40, I don't know, they must hate their dick or something. Older women as in 30s, because by then they should have matured and be equals to men.

I'm 19, but prefer my women in the early 20s.

>>331
I couldn't see boinking someone 40+ unless they were ridiculously hot (and there aren't many of those). I'm 28/m and would feel more comfy with soneone in their 20s or early 30s. (Not that I'm really loking, because I'm lazy, but hey.)

>>326

Your situation is the same as mine almost. Except I don't like futa.

There isn't too much you can do except try and talk to her on the phone. Of course, you have to get her to give you that, not use mystical stalker powers.

Im 18, single, never kissed a girl, never been freinds with a girl, barley even talked to a girl. Im close to the brink of suicide. Am I the only one in this sorry state?

>>335
Yeah probably.

>>334

Yes I know, but I have a very low self-esteem. Because I always find faults about myself, or find things I feel uncomfortable about.
Like in what way I should say to her, that I like her? Any advice?

It's seems that I've to mature a bit, before I can create the moment of confession.

>>335
Neither have I. I started to be friends with girls recently, but I'm not sure how they consider me. I'm maybe too immature for them *sigh*. I'm 20 btw.
To tell you the truth, pain is actually something wonderful. In the sense that it makes us realize what we want, and who we are.
We're just fooled to belive that pain is negetive.
Is happiness really good?
Yes I know that the context of happiness is the feeling of euphoria, but it can be negetive when it only concerns a single person. And thus we have the negetive context of pain, loneliness and sorrow.

You have to remind yourself that time will help you, if you're pensive.Don't let people with less self-awareness get you, what they don't know will eventually hurt or destroy them.

I just shot my wad about ten feet in the air and it landed on my nose.

.....what

Pain is awesome.  It's what happens when you spend 40 minutes pulverizing a 140 lb punching bag and your fists, elbows, knees, and feet are raw and bleeding.

You guys need to work out, gives you more confidence, gives you a bit of a high, and you feel so alive after you're done.

Don't say anything to her like that.  Just behave natural, putting on a facade is easily detectable unless you're an incredible stage actor.  Hint at it a little, she'll figure it out.  Gauge where you stand by how she reacts.

Don't go around trying to justify how you think the universe works with that kind of language.  Study sociology and psychology, then we'll talk.

If you're 20 then live for yourself.  You're too young to waste your time on something you can procrastinate on.  Develop yourself before trying to develop a relationship.

This thread is starting to give me a migraine. I think my misanthropy is flaring up again.

DR MISOGYNY TO THE BUMP RESCUE

HI, I'M GEORGE ZIMMER, FOUNDER AND CEO OF MEN'S WAREHOUSE. MY GIRLFRIEND IS 22 AND I'M 17. SHE HAPPENS TO BE HOTTER THAN THE RAGING FIRE THAT BURNS THROUGH THE JUNGLE OF MY PUBIC FOREST. LAST NIGHT WE CONSUMMATED A SATANIC RITUAL INVOKING THE LONG-HIDDEN SPIRIT OF THE ROMAN GOD APPOLONIUS, PATRON DEITY OF MY PLANETARY PHALLIC APPENDAGE. SHE CALLED ME SIX TIMES TODAY.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
THE FAGGOTRY IN THIS THREAD HAS REACHED PROPORTIONS THAT NEARLY RIVAL THE SIZE OF MY GARGANTUAN MAN-SAUSAGE. STOP WHINING LIKE LITTLE EUNUCH-BITCHES AND GET OVER YOUR PSYCHOLOGICAL BARRIERS, WITH OR WITHOUT USING YOUR PATHETIC EXCUSES FOR GENITALS FOR POLE-VAULTING ASSISTANCE AS I COMMONLY DO. YOU ALL SUCK MORE ASS THAN GIGLI, I GUARANTEE IT.

DR MISOGYNY ENDORSES THE MENS WAREHOUSE.

CAN WE GET BACK TO SERIOUS DISCUSSION YET YOU FUCKING LOONS

Lol k.  Dr misogyny here on the mobile.  Akomu, a confession is a very bad idea that only works in animu (good for drama but not good for normal circumstances).  Say it in a matter-of-fact fashion.  Dont be too forceful and keep us posted!

Lol k.  Dr misogyny here on the mobile.  Akomu, a confession is a very bad idea that only works in animu (good for drama but not good for normal circumstances).  Say it in a matter-of-fact fashion.  Dont be too forceful and keep us posted!

Well, I confessed to her this wednesday, and told her that i liked her and thought that she was cute. She said that she was flatterd, but that she had a boyfriend. I wasn't too suprised, since i heard from a friend who belived that she had a boyfriend.
Then I talked to her yesterday again, and asked if she understood what I meant and wondered if she had any feelings for me of any kind. She said that she didn't know, because she's having a muddle with guys, so she didn't know what she felt.
I see, I replied.

So what I only can do now is wait and see.

>>347
Patience is the way to go. But don't hang on it for too long. Try to forget about her and move on. Considering that she is already in a relationship. Unless of course you want to be those types that try to get the girl to break up with their current boyfriends.

It is probably the girls I meet, but it always just seems that they don't want to "attached". I will keep hearing girls giving excuses that realtionships to them are like this big ball and chain, where they have to do everything cos of their boyfriend.

And this really kills it for guys who really don't want to "own" their girl like me. I really wouldn't want to chain my gf down to do my own thing or for her to make time for me as opposed to her regular stuff.

Well I could mention that she said that she wasn't so sure about her bf.
But I shouldn't get my hopes too high, since she said that she wasn't sure what she felt. I know that I shouldn't be pessimistic, but I wonder if she said that not to hurt me, or something similar?

>>350
Yep she definantly said it to not hurt you and keep you as a friend.
Keep looking, this is a romantic dead-end

>>350
You're nice, so you're "good friend". She wants to keep you as a friend so she can use you to cry on your shoulder when jerk number 476 rapes or dumps her, get your cock stiff and your balls blue, then suddenly her cellular rings and oh, it's jerk number 359, how nice of him! And she'll tell you because you're her good friend, she was really looking for a piece of cock, so this is so fortunate. Please be waiting for her because she'll go back to you once she has fucked this one. Oh, now that Christmas is near, remember to buy her something good. For example, some good, expensive clothes, so she can wear them when she's out with jerk 1072, that would be awesome.

You get the idea!
~Dr. Anonymous

>>352
IMPOSTER.

Anyhow, FUCKING SEVER MOTHERBITCH. Anyone who's juggling over 1000 potential mates at once isn't worth it. Hell, social interaction in general isn't worth it. Find a nice mountain to live in and you'll not want for boinky ever again... and if you do, carve off your genitals, because the damned things aren't helping your case any.

Or just kill yourself. Whichever's easier.
~Dr. Misanthrope

i hev !

To be or not to be a jerk

SUP VIRGINS
BWAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHHAHHAH

legendary bump

>>356
BWAHAHAHAHAHA--Rot in hell, you cunt.
~Dr. Misanthrope

>>358
Seconded
~ Dr. Misogyny

I just finished reading this entire fucking thread

I just finished reading this entire fucking thread

>>358
Are we related?
~Mr. Misanthrope

We should create an Association of Anonymous Professionals
~Dr. Anonymous

What kind of professionals?

Angry ones.

I'm in.

Membership fee = $10 million

:(

>>362
Louis Black? Is that you?

>>368
..... Yes. Yes, it is.

You know whats frustrating is when you hear a girl tells you that they aren't ready for a relationship because they like "their freedom" and because they are scared of all the pains that a relationship entails. That is the reply i get from most girls, its like they want the best of both worlds.

I'm also very nervous when i'm around girls of any kind.. I try my best to talk to them but usually gets too self concious and then gets too shy... I'm not ready for a relationship yet because i've more important tasks at hand.. I just want to make better conversations. I feel that thats very important even in the business world...

>>370
Because they're girls. They want fucking everything.

>>372
I don't think (or refuse to think in own beautiful world) that all girls are like that!!!

>>373
Well you are right we shouldn't generalise. Although Im also having that same problem with one particular girl. Its like she isnt willing to risk going into a relationship unless she is 100% sure it is going to work out and have it perfect. Just so that she can avoid all the crap you would get from a relationship. Which is utter ridiculuous.

And the alternative for her is that she just stays single and have her "freedom".

Which is why I always think to myself, guys shud never chase girls but have girls chase them instead. We guys have been screwed around far enuf.

>>374
I guess everyone.. men or women is afraid of rejection or pain from a relationship.. i think thats normal.. When you care for the other more than yourself and when she also care about you more than yourself.. i don't think that issue would occur..
Guys should also be a gentalmen and contribute to the relationship..   Just my thoughts.. i've never been in one..

There is a saying that the person who loves the most, gets hurt the most. Yet if you don't love enough, the relationship doesnt work out.

Guess thats why nowadays ppl just say screew it and stay single.

>>375
I think some girls are actually smart enough to realize that there will be bumps in a relationship. No pain no gain sort of thing.

But I think some girls just see relationships like a jail sentence. Probably after all the bastards they went out with or the bastards they see goin out with their own frens. Which really puts a bad name on good guys like us who don't want to "own" their girl.

Sigh.. true love is so hard to find.. on that note.. i needa fix my hair!!!! never liked it much.. got any suggestions?

>>375 seconded
although i dont think everyone is selfish..

>>378

Since the internet has no women, I assume you are male.  How long is it right now?  What color?  What is your brackground?  What image do you want to build?

For instance, I'm 20, Asian, I want to change my image from martial arts freak with buzz cut to prettyboy, like I was in middle school.  Growing hair back out, leaving more oil in, using hair spray to keep the bangs looking nice.  Changing shampoo and conditioner, especially using a leave-in conditioner really helps.

Oh, and ASL PIX SSN

I'm 23, Asian, I want to change my image from someone who has an inverted bowl hair style to something much more business like or better!. leavein consitioner wassat?

I am another weak nerdy asian and my race's women are leaving me and flocking around white, black and latino guys who only date them for a few weeks at a time and don't seem interested in them at all romantically. I fear that I may only manage to date one once the stronger men lose interest in them and I will have to lose my virginity to some 220 lb depressed man hating hag after my money when I'm in my late 20s.

Waaaah Waaaaaaah :'(

What should I do /b/?

>>382
Thats the main problem for all asian men who love asian women. EVERYBODY wants an asian women!!!

>>383
Not a problem if you're Asian and love Latina chicks.

>>383
Not a problem if you're Asian and love Latina chicks.

>>385 Not a problem if you're GHEY.

I fixed your post for you.

>>386

DQN DQN DQN DQN DQN DQN DQN

fixed

I HAVE OF COURSE

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"Nothing can save you from me! I am invincible! I am doom itself!" -DONALD DUCK

You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!

Just read the whole thread. Good read though it started to go bad towards the end.

poo

>>25
What you do is the proper thing to do, don't consider yourself to be fucked up just because your personal morals conflict with the status quo thank you very much.
>>41
That fear is there to keep you alive to this very fucking day, just try and shed it, if you're lucky you'll end up dying, have fun.
>>57
>Well you have to take into consideration that chit-chat is a form of ritual wherein peoplehave no particular topic in mind and are in hopes of engaging in deeper activity.

1)If you have nothing to say why start talking at all

2)Fat chance of a bunch of random engaging in much at all let alone ACTUAL DISCUSSION, if they really crave deep discussions then tell them to head their asses to a discussion board, not an image board, and they can have at it without having to talk about retarded shit ever, simple no?

3)Even my small talk is more interesting and involved than that shit, if they had any capacity for intelligent thought they would clearly be able to demonstrate it when they first open their mouths instead of having to get their motors running first to even HOPE to one day get to a point where they get to feel like they sound smart or deep or whatever the fuck, does your average everyday cockass even really care about being such things? I'd say hardly, not when there is the oh so intellectual pursuit of tail and all the other time wasting bullshit that encompasses it.

>Another hypothesis is that it serves to build labels and characterizations with others.
There is no reason to ever want to do this, intelligently speaking.
>Girls may talk to reaffirm their clique bond.
" "
>Guys may do so to reaffirm group identity as virile.
" "
>Again, this all goes into the self-monitoring/self-fulfilling/Spectacle hypothesis of sociology. It's not necessarily a bad thing, though seemingly moot to those not in the engagement.
Wasting time talking about bullsht for bullshit reasons IS NECESSARILY A BAD THING.
>>62
>Then you'll complain that THERE ARE NO WOMEN IN THE INTERNET.
It is really sad that you thought that law was actually a complaint, please learn to read things.
>>84
>Every time I tried to be sarcastic, they were confused and took it the wrong way. Every time I tried to be cynical, they got mad. I think they dislike it because they feel their little intelligence challenged.

Quoting this for posterity.

>>86
>If your comments aren't kosher it could turn out ugly.
That is still absolutely retarded, as if I would be anyone to begin with, but I'd certainly never be with someone I have to fucking walk on eggshells around, doing such a thing is what pisses me off, people die when that happens, you know.
>>88
>You don't like deception from either party and want things instantly rightout.  Some people can't deal with that type of personality
Oh this is too fucking classic, some people can't stand being romantically involved with a person who lives life without lies, no, that isn't correct, it's more like: some people are incapable of being romantically involved with anyone because they're a bunch of lying 7-timing douchefaces.

>Discretion, restraint, and moderation are key.
Yeah maybe if you want some retard to like you.

>Going all in is a bold move, which, as an early encounter, suggests that you are dispositionally extreme on the average.
It isn't just a bold move it is the perfect asshole move, either it will incite hatred from a retard or otherwise soon to be undersirable (which happens the second they open their mouth) or...some other weird situation which is one that I thankfully have never seen happen in my life so it has yet to be confirmed that such a situation would ever actually occur, in this, the security of the self is preserved, by throwing out this "durrrrrr im still holding my cardszz lettttz play hold'em" bullshit you get to find out in an instant everything you really care to find out about the person, and odds are you'll never even have to speak to them again. What is better, one simple piercing move that gets an instant result or a slow time wasting one that will more often than not just leave you more pissed off because you can't figure out where all your free time went?

>While I'm sure you're a perfectly normal human being, girls won't see it that way.  They'll see someone with a weird personality because, if the behavior is bold even to you, they will think this is the norm for you. 
This is what a person like myself COUNTS on, in the (albeit) rare event that I'd ever want to be with someone, I can always just use this method of the sudden striking commitment fist of, for the hell of it, hokuto to make sure that they will make the decision I would have liked to come to but for some reason was unable to do so myself OR I get to find out how they really are which will invariably cure me of what would be my previous ailment.

>>94
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS FAT TYPICAL AMERICAN OTAKU?
>>96
>4) accomplished - they DO NOT WANT COMPLETE DEDICATION from the get-go.  They want to win it over from men as a trophy of their worthiness as women.
My god, stupidity truly knows no bounds, if they have complete fucking dedication from the start then guess what: THEY'VE ALREADY WON IT OVER, the fortunate part about this, is a quick man can overturn that by making her decide she doesn't want to have won it, I've done harder things in my sleep.
>>103
>they put on armor and do bloody battle
Heaven forbird they do something actually fap-worthy.
>>109
>is anyone afraid of getting rejected?
I'm sure people are as afraid of that as I am of being accepted.
>>112
How does fucking someone constitute not being single exactly, are you trying to say sex is love?
>>123
>Don't hate the game, guys.
Yes, let us all accept retardation in our existances, I'm rather fine with no action, one da I hope to be relieved my fractured sexuality, masturbation becoming a thing of the past, and more physical and mental free time becoming the reward.
>>124
My name is Squeeks and this thread sucks dick just like the rest of those wannabe "let's get to 1000 by 'she's stupid"
>>127
>Girls really aren't that different from guys.
I think I need to notify the Federal Bureau of Failure on this one.
>>155
>Appearance--look like you're a big deal, and the amount of fat on you inversely relates to the amount of reciprocation.  Sad fact.
Please speak for yourself, toothpicks disgust me.
>>212
I live to be the problem, fag, yet it does not change the fact women with the mind of a girl are straight up retarded.
>>216
>Should women all come to your home for your personal inspection?
Heaven forbid they do fapworthy thing EVER.
>>224
>STUPIDITY IS NOT LIMITED TO A GENDER, CUNTRAGS.
Stupid, one gender does have a gross tendancy for it especially considering the subject, or are you just upset because you've been called a fucking retard by everyone in the thread so far?

Oh man, and I so wish I was a 40 year old virgin.

>>228
Incorrect, instead of sitting down thinking and compiling text they can simply go stand in the street and someone'll pay attention to them, what could possibly lure an idiot to a discussion board?
>>229
>You live die alone.
Fixed and thank you.
>>234
Good to know that all women consider how the break up will be first before even knowing what the relationship would be like, I really must thank stupidity for putting in so much work to ending the human species.
>>244
AHahaha, fucking lured.
>>265
It was the purpose.
>>270
To top it all off, the shit isn't even called hentai, it's just porn, anime porn, ero-whatever and so on, please stop using that Americanized word.
>>277
You need to see less psychiatrists because what he said was absolutely proper.
>>308
>to prevent pain.
You forgot to mention on which side, regardless of the fact that prevention is done with both sides in consideration.
>>314
Seconded
>>328
Older women are more mature and are fuller figured, and chances are they actually know how to love unlike their younger counterparts, really this is only the tip of the iceberg, you're probably not a guy if you can't understand why guys love older women or what it is they see in them. Oh did I also mention an older woman's beauty is more natural and relies less on trends and other petty shit perpetuated by the society onto the youth.
>>339
Study my fucking ass hairs and then we'll fuck instead.
>>378
A pageboy.

Hmmm

Can you get me a coffee please, while I tune into the worms underground.

You people should join the Psycholiberalism. We categorize people in 3 categories:

Nephiliim: Smart, self-capable people that don't do all the shit most of you so vehmently loathe. The elite from a cynical standpoint, the people who know how to think and aren't fucking sheep.

Malakiim: Somewhere in the middle. They are "average" people, but they have some redeeming qualities, they may have high intelligence but are unable to use it the right way.

Miserniim: These are the social fucking sheep, the idiots, the group mentality retards, etc.


Try to find a nephiliim chick.

>>394
>Try to win the lottery and gain immortality IMMEDIATELY AFTER.
Fixed for posterity.

you dorks are all going to die alone

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