Who here has been single all their life.

（´Д｀;;) i get really nervous around girls for some reason, especially when i like them. Is it game over for me?

I have not been with a girl. i will die alone. but then again part of it is my own choosing. Sure i would like to have sex. But i dont want a relationship. Besides girls have  a way of sucking a mans wallet dry

I had my first girlfriend recently, but I had been so desperate for years that I didn't know what to do with her (among some other niggling issues of her own). We had things in common but not very significant ones. Thus we broke it off and I'm back FEELING like I've been single all my life. bluh. social phobia sucks dick, except it doesn't, because it can't get you anyone to suck your dick.

>>4
Getting intimate is actually pretty easy, the question is, can they actually answer accordingly? Sometimes. But some other times they're way too immature.

>>6
Social phobia doesn't suck; it's only a consequence of intelligence. The fact you're saying you're antisocial makes me think you're a smart, worthy person. None of us want to be "normal", if being "normal" means being a random fucktard.

The problem you have is that you are above average, above society; and finding a girl like this at this age is very hard.

Hay guys.

>>7
Then why are there so many smart people who are social? Stop deluding yourself.

I like men :D

>>9
They are not smart, but smrat. The smartest people ever was always weird.

yes because you used that gross smiley.

I can't find a girl that isn't some Darcy-seeking bundle of emo and black hole of money.

Hence I'd rather be single and a vaginatease.

All the girls at my college are hambeasts and wiggers. OH GOD HELP

>>14

thats funny because all the girls at my old college, well most were slim, with big breasts, and a nice figure

ahem

anyway ive been single for a few months =/

I have had a girlfriend once in my life. After that ended, I've made no effort to get into a new relationship.

In fact, I can't remember when I last talked to a girl.

I have a shot at a cute anime/gamer girl, but I'd rather go for a normal girl, so I guess I'm holding out.  What is a man to do, 4chan?

>>17
OH MY GOD WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM
GO FOR HER
RIGHT NOW

>>17
Are you stupid or what? Get out of world4ch right now you moron and chase her!!! You're one of the few, almost legendary people I know to have a shot at a REAL girl you can love. Normal girls are retards who go for the shittiest guys to get beaten and raped so they can cry on good guys' shoulders - the guys they'd never date because they are their best friend (stupidest reason ever); cause you a lot of trouble, cost a lot of money, and all they want is to dance and to do stupid things. You probably haven't realized how fucking lucky you are.

So turn your intarweb off and go for her, goddammit!

>>19
Define "normal girls" and how they differ from girls who like anime or games.

I'm pretty sure girls who like anime or games can be "normal".

If you've been single all your life, don't worry too much.
If you've been *actively* trying to get rid of you status as single for more than six months, worry.
Seriously, if you've avoided girls all your life, they're going to surprise you when you stop – a lot of them are cool people and not that hard to talk to.

I have actually actively avoided girls (relationship wise) since ever. Do I have a complecks or what!

Depends on why you've been doing it.
If you're just not interested you're probably doing alright.

I knew about five girls who actually actively wanted a relationship with me and I rejected them. I don't know why I am doing it; it just sort of ignore the world (and thus ignore them) when people come close to me. Yes, I was interested in them but...I just shut off all emotions and close my face and sort of move to another world. I am so fucked up.

>>23
I'm sorry, but that does sound rather fucked up.
My advice is telling someone what you just wrote. In real life. Not because they're going to help you, but just because the more you throw out there, the less you've got to lose.
Anonymous wishes you luck!

>>20
Well, "normal" girls (as in most of them) want to get beaten, are stupid, prick tease, like drugs, the only thing at life they can enjoy is dancing, they make their boyfriends suffer and have them as hooked as possible, they only want sex but they pretend not to, they only care for looks but they say just the opposite, they won't admit they would/do love porn, piss on the good people and would never ever go out with them (although using them for all sorts of things is fine), and most of all, they wouldn't be sincere even if their life, and more importantly, their makeup, depended on it.

>>21
Oh, what a letdown.

>>22
They may be easy to talk to, but "normal" girls are really stupid. Valley girls are just a more evident version but most of them have the stupid gene. They won't catch anything half humorous you may ever think off, they'll laugh at absolutely stupid, forwards, boring jokes I hate, and they can't talk about anything serious for more than 30 seconds, unless it consists of blaming you for something you probably aren't to blame anyways.

>>23
You have a smart sense of not wasting your time.

>>25
Next time, wait till you screw them before you drop them. Oh, wat, that's what they actually love. If you do that, you'll get 10 girls a week, because you're "hard" and "kewl" and "kewl" (yes, I repeated it, normal girls would, too).

Anonymous wishes you luck, but if you don't want a relationship, then you might not need any more luck than you already have.

>>27
Could have been a funny post if it hadn't been for the people who actually believe shit like that.
...
Scratch that, it was still funny.

>>27
CRAWLLLLLING IN MYYY SKINNNNNN

>>28
Lol, I don't believe that, I know that.

>>29
Not rly emo sir, I'm over with that shit, I'm just complaining because I like to bitch over things. I don't want a relationship myself unless it's a rare, freaky, uncommon girl with the strange habit of sincerity.

I am 19yo virgin, emo, bisexual. When I walk on the street hot girls are staring at me, because I am cute. But I am too shy to get any.

>>31
OMG. i am in the exact same predicament.

Well, I could have had a head start if I didn't believe that I was a robot for the past four years of my life.

>>31
>>32
yaranaika?

>>18
>>19

Sorry guys, not really buying it.  I really can't see my anime/gamer-isms leaking into my public life.  I don't go to cons or even let anything anime touch me when I leave my room.  I guess I'm a closet 4chan fan at that.  I guess I just couldn't  come to grips with a relationship that forced me to do these things openly.  =\

>>35
Shut up, bryan. Sheesh. At least girls look your way.

>>35
WTF. Public life ain't worth shit compared to having a worthy girl (by >>19's definition). Don't tell me you want to be "normal". As in devoid of any intelligence and full of shit. You gotta be above all that. Normality is for losers, for social lambs who need to be all together and so "normal" because they ain't shit alone.

>>37

How do you know she's worthy?  Normality is for losers?  That's just the constrarian's naturalistic fallacy.  You're all assuming anime girl > normal girl, whereas by formal logic there isn't any distinction on many of the levels.  They can be just as bad on all counts.

>>37
Cheer up emo kid

>>38
She's not an average social invididual, right? This means she's probably above average. I'm making an assumption out of a generalization. They can be just as bad, but it'd be statistically harder, as I know she's above average in at least one of the fields, while I don't know of any field where she's under average.

>>25
I feel the same way. I seem to have no trouble attracting women but then wimp out and it becomes nothing. I am in my early twenties, but I do still have hope for the future. It is just plain old simple fear afterall, and fear can be conquered with a sustained effort. The important thing is to keep meeting women rather than run away because of fear - run away and you cut off all hope.

I feel many people who posted here don't appreciate the world from the female's point of view or feel that females are somehow radically different from males. I am not sure if or how that helps...

>>40

Do the math.  There's also the probability of being BELOW average.  Not average does not imply better.

4chan, what do you think about going after BOTH?

4chan, what do you think about kicking >>43 in the nuts?

>>44

andy, you cuntrag.

>>42
Did the Math... Since society is bullshit and massive, what's considered standard social beings, covering 97% of them, make up for the lowest shit and the barely above average folks. Most individuals, i.e. most non-social beings stand well above that, but don't push averages high because they exist in a very small number. In a box diagram, people would be like: |[..|.]--------| , where [..|.] is the society.

>>46

Society being bullshit is an unsupported assumption.
97%?  Where's this figure come from?
And there have got to be individuals below the mean.  Human behavioral distributions tend to follow a Normal distribution if not only due to the Strong Law of Large Numbers and the Central Limit Theorem.

A boxplot representing humans should follow
|-----[--|--]-----|
Last time I checked no behavior followed a chi-square or F-distribution.

I don't see how individuals <-> nonsocial.  Furthermore, how that is above any kind of average.  It seems like all you're doing is glorifying nonconformists, assuming antisocial behavior is a  symptom of being better than others.

You fail stochastics AND statistics.

By the way, what variable are you measuring?

>>46
You fail teh boxplots.

You're saying 97% of people fit between the 25th and 75th quantiles.  50% != 97%, dumbass.

>>47
Society being bullshit is an unsupported assumption.
You do stupid things "socially". You want to belong to societies, so you do all kinds of stupid shit to. You follow conventions. You lose individualism. You depend on others. You are vulnerable. You are somebody else's pawn. And the stupidest of all is ruler and model.

97%?  Where's this figure come from?
97%, 90%, or even 80% (which is IMO being too easy on it), it doesn't change what I said. It's my guess based on empirical observation through many years, and YMMV, but it may not vary that much.

And there have got to be individuals below the mean.
Yeah. The more socially "successful" part of the society, there are many of them and they are all in the bottom part.

I don't see how individuals <-> nonsocial.  Furthermore, how that is above any kind of average.
Well, if you think for yourself, you'll realize how stupid society is, and stay clear away from it. Otherwise, you let "society" think for you, become a part of it, and lose all individuality (besides being "unique", all emo fags and goths are "unique", but they're all the same shit anyways).

>By the way, what variable are you measuring?
Human worth.


>>48
Indeed, I wasn't explicit enough. [..|.] covered most of them - make that 97%, 90%, or whatever you want as long as it's the vast majority.

>>25
I've been asked out several times, and even when I really liked the girl I said, "No, I don't think we'd be good for each other."

For me, it is a fear of commitment; I'm afraid that I'll make a mistake and either get trapped in a bad relationship, or I'll hurt someone else.

I know I've hurt some girls by rejecting them in this fashion, too. A girl whose had been single her whole life was brave enough to ask me out about two years ago.. and I shot her down without even thinking about it. Since then, she went on a few dates with some of my friends, but nothing lasting.

I feel bad for her, because I was the first person she asked out.. and I rejected her, not because I disliked her, but because I was afraid to say "Yes".

>>49

I still don't see how group identification is a negative trait.  And how extreme individualism is a plus.  Conversely someone would say you were a sociopath.  A misanthropic hermit.

Empirical observation?  Confirmation bias, availability heuristic.

|Well, if you think for yourself, you'll realize how stupid society is, and stay clear away from it.
Looks like you're living in the wrong society.

|Yeah. The more socially "successful" part of the society, there are many of them and they are all in the bottom part.
Again, you regard situational consciousness as a negative.

|Indeed, I wasn't explicit enough
...Or you know, that still isn't a well-defined distribution. And you still fail boxplots.

|Human worth.
...Yes, like I can measure that hypothetical construct with a robust and parsimonious measure.  Then repeat it.  It's your subjective opinion.  The entire Social Psychology/Sociology community is laughing at you.

For one, I'd like to see you name an exemplar of the ideal person of utmost worth.  Five bucks says you'll say Maddox.

By society did you mean Debord's Spectacle?  In which case it still doesn't measure human worth.

HI WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GIRLS OKAY

>>51

>I still don't see how group identification is a negative trait.  And how extreme individualism is a plus.
Well, we have a brain, let's use it, lol. A group of N people has 1 personality, thus every one has 1/N personality and is 1/N worth in this department.

>Conversely someone would say you were a sociopath.  A misanthropic hermit.
And I probably am. Some other Anonymous posted his dream would be to live in an otherwise inhabited island with broadband, and I found the idea so tempting.

>Looks like you're living in the wrong society.
Not really, it's considered above average by other groups, yet I find the social average so lowly and stupid, so brainless and lambish.

>It's your subjective opinion.
No shit, Sherlock. Even so, I'm honest sure enough of it to defend it, as I think my values are correct, and by the way, although it's tempting to place myself at the top of the list, I by no means think I'm that worthy. I definitely think I'm in that top 3% (as many intelligent people from this board are - probably you too), but I can think of people more useful than I am which should be granted more power and wealth than I have accordingly.

>The entire Social Psychology/Sociology community is laughing at you.
The entire not-fucked-up community is laughing at nihilists.

>For one, I'd like to see you name an exemplar of the ideal person of utmost worth.  Five bucks says you'll say Maddox.
Lol, close enough! Maddox is indeed a worthy individual, though he's not perfect (not that perfection exists). Other highly worthy individuals from different areas could be/have been Einstein, Dalai Lama, the Queen of Spain, and perhaps Nietzsche, who was at least very witty.

>Debord's Spectacle
Don't know what it is. By society I mean a mass of brainless lambs who do what punks, jerks, religious leaders, and "kewl" people tell them (which, in turn, aren't much better), can't see the forest, nor the trees (in fact they're fucking blind), are rebellious because rebellion is kewl, piss on their own culture and system constantly, and have a tendency to make terrible things to their hair and smoke LSD in a tree house, especially if young.

I just hate those fucktards. Just to help clarify how I think, I'll say I'm not anti-system (in fact, I'd like the system to be applied properly, even if I don't fully agree with it), I hate rebellion (especially young people's, which comes bundled with a double dose of retardation), I hate leftards, I hate drugs, and I often value Nature and the Earth's future as an ecosystem over human life, including my own.

>>53
Crap, I forgot to say I hate religion. With a passion. In fact, this issue deserved a post for itself. Lots and lots of hate ^_^.

>>54

Eh, religion is for people who feel a need for cosmic closure.  If you enjoy that kind of thing good for you, you know?

>>53
Sharing a personality.  lol.  The mathematics don't quite work out that way.  I still don't see how self-actualization is superior.  (Maslow was a douche, by the way).  Often people are drawn to a group due to commonality in interest, values, ideology.  The development sometimes antecedes the identification label.  You're unique only until you find out there's a name for what kind of person you are.  Something to that effect.

Uninhabited island.  Damn, where would I get my booze?  Distill it from dead sea turtles?

Google for "The Society of the Spectacle."  Pretty high-level reading material unless you're well versed in sociology and social psychology.

People aren't as brainless as you think.  I see them as predictable.  They inevitably fall into patterns of behavior and cognition.  If you make them aware of this fact they will do anything in their power to prove you wrong (and vindicate their belief that they are unique), which is a pattern in itself.  I personally don't mind this.  It's great for making friends, pissing off idiots, wooing the girls, and getting business hookups.  In this way I find myself objectifying average people as almost algorithmic.  They have comfort zones which limit their range of behaviors.  Makes social interaction very rewarding...at least for me.

In conclusion, don't hate--manipulate!  Your views are far more extreme and are shaded with availability heuristic judgement than mine, but essentially we agree on a few points:

Average intelligence is not very high.  (In fact, it's average.  Duh.)
Average people rely heavily on social constructs. (Everyone does in different ways, depending on disposition, culture, Collectivism vs Individualism, etc)

I think you perceive average people as below average.  Your illustration of the distribution shows this.  In actuality, statistical laws dictate all observations will regress towards the mean.  Additionally, any sufficiently large sample follows the Normal distribution.

>>55
>Often people are drawn to a group due to commonality in interest, values, ideology.  The development sometimes antecedes the identification label.
For intellectual groups, granted. Those are more or less worthy, SHARE groups. Getting drunk at a pub on friday night is a very different kind of group though.

>Google for "The Society of the Spectacle."  Pretty high-level reading material unless you're well versed in sociology and social psychology.
I am not, although I often find names existed for stuff I had observed.

>People aren't as brainless as you think.  I see them as predictable.
I think predictability is a consequence of lacking intelligence (which brings originality, wit). But yes, I've found lambs so easy to toy with and I do it when I want to get something, but I don't enjoy social interaction for the heck of it much outside geeky online boards.

>I think you perceive average people as below average.
Perhaps I consider the average very shitty and unsuitable. For example, there are relatively few people I could have such an enjoyable discussion as this. All most people ever care about is chit-chat. Girls are all like "I saw John, he was with Cathy, lol"; Guys are all like "Beckam rocks, he kicks spheres in an awesome fashion, lol". They aren't smart enough to understand even the most retarded, VIP-quality jokes I can think of. And manipulating them is simple and kind of fun sometimes, but without a purpose, I don't do it too much.

Well you have to take into consideration that chit-chat is a form of ritual wherein peoplehave no particular topic in mind and are in hopes of engaging in deeper activity.  Another hypothesis is that it serves to build labels and characterizations with others.  Girls may talk to reaffirm their clique bond.  Guys may do so to reaffirm group identity as virile.  Again, this all goes into the self-monitoring/self-fulfilling/Spectacle hypothesis of sociology.  It's not necessarily a bad thing, though seemingly moot to those not in the engagement.

So, back to girls.  WHICH?!

>>58
the most intoxicated and incapacitated one, duh!

>>56
Save your opinion of society for another topic. This one is reserved for people who have never had any luck in their romantic life.

I think even the smartest girl is stupider than the stupidest boy. Girls really are the weaker sex in mind and body.

>>61
Then you'll complain that THERE ARE NO WOMEN IN THE INTERNET.

My personal thought is that women are:

- Better at studying stuff
- Worse at concentration
- Equally as smart, but often underused
- More evil and manipulative
- Colder (which is good)
- Better looking
- And who cares for physical strength, that's for monkeys to use.

...huh?  How does that even work?

how can you tell if a girl likes you....on the internet!?

>>64

Ask to see his penis.

>>61
lol misogyny

I have been single because I guess all the girls in my age group (21- 24) are soo freaking immature and want to be like "available" all the time. And they always never appreciate the "nice guy" and see it as a turn off.

Maybe because the way I treat girls is more appropiate for when they reach their 30s or something. Which by then they lose most of their hotness. And dun ask me to go look for older women because that is like ewwwww.

>>67
I hear ya, man.

>>67
By being a "nice guy" you're probably appearing dull and boring.

>>67
You can say that again.

I think most of us do not take an active choice in choosing to be single. I mean if there was one that really chose to be single, its just becos he was tired of playing the game and hasnt met the right girl yet.

If most of us here are "nice guys", well we are single because girls want some wildness in their life. But i think its maybe not the choice of boys that girls prefer that is wrong here but OUR choice of girls perhaps? That we should go find us some nice girls instead?

It would end up being the same though because i think its safe to say that ALL girls want a bad boy. Again let me say what >>67 said. When girls want a nice boy is when the bad boy doesnt want them no more. And that is only gonna happen when they grow old and thinking seriously of marriage.

i think if you use ape like instincts (being very sexual) you will get the girl faster than trying to get the girl by being a 'nice guy'.

And lets not kid ourself. Nice guys always finish last. Its never going to be like those feel-good romance movies you see where you see the underdog (the nice guy usually) getting the girl.

>>71

That would be me.  Sick of girls all going after a Darcy.  It's by my GRACE that they get more than a casual friendship.  Not wasting my time on little girls trying to play sweet-thang-in-a-rough-place.  Don't expect me to take you in later when you're looking for a stable income, slut.

>>67
Or, you know, being a nice guy doesn't count for shit.  It never did.  It implicates you are a notch lower than a girl on the social ladder.  Why should she waste her time on someone lower than her?  Remember all humans "don't want to be in a club that would have then as memebers."  Make sure they know they're not good enough for you.  It's the only way to keep her interested.

I'm single because no girl I've met is good enough for me.  I've only met one who was incredible, but we're on opposite sides of the world now.

Quit yer whining guys, enjoy your youth for all you can:  do stupid shit with the guys.  Don't let worrying over women take away from your time on this planet.  You're missing out on a lot of happiness.

>>71
>girls want some wildness in their life
What a light way to say they are stupid and like shitty gangs.

>But i think its maybe not the choice of boys that girls prefer that is wrong here but OUR choice of girls perhaps?
The large majority of them are like this. Little else to choose. Girls are like Internet domains, the ones you like are already taken.

>That we should go find us some nice girls instead?
If you can tell me where I'll donate all my money to 4chan. Oh, wait, that'd make me unattractive to girls.

>>72
True, problem is, regardless of how much do we love hentai, only apes can really show ape like instincts.

>>74
I'm a big pervert, yet sex is not what I really look/care for for girls; all I really want a girlfriend for is cuddling and sharing and shit. If that makes me a nice boy I'm sorry (I'm a pretty dark person myself, not evil, just dark, and no, not goth nor emofag). Not that I'll change for a girl, not now. And now I'm single because no girl I've met is good enough for me, too.

>enjoy your youth for all you can:  do stupid shit with the guys.
Well, we're posting at world4ch, right? :D

Friend of mine who got tired of the game said to me that maybe the easiest way to get a nice gf is to wait a girl to chase you instead and let her do all the legwork.

Sounds good in theory. In reality yes girls might approach you first but eventually you as the guy is one who will be doing all the legwork of asking her out, places to go etc. And I always find that the girls who really go after their man are like the really desperate clingy types.

Though my females friends always tell me girls always want the guy to make the first move. So maybe my friends theory is wrong and just sitting idly by will just keep him single all his life.

>>76
eventually you as the guy is one who will be doing all the legwork of asking her out, places to go etc.
Exactly, because today's society is so not-sexist except when it's what girls want.

my females friends always tell me girls always want the guy to make the first move
That's because they think asking a guy out, or apologizing for something, is to humble themselves before the guy, and they should never do that. Of course, it's not only fine that guys do - it's a must.

i have a solution for all of you, go to japan

they arnt like the western girls.

>>75
I'm >>74.  You think exactly like me.

>>78
But they try to be.

What I'm about to suggest is a high-level technique.  It's unorthodox and, if the girl finds out, all bets are off (unless you're in the late stages).

Economic exchange.  Equivalent trade.  If you propose the logic, with the phrase "it's a fair deal," you can work the situation to your advantage.

"If you help me with this Biweekly Cash Flow report on Saturday, I'll treat you to dinner.  I choose the place, you choose the day and time.  Fair deal, right?"

If she declines, do not attempt to rebound.  Instead, work another angle.

"So you're not free Saturday?  Alright.  But this meeting in an hour is gonna be a long one.  How about coffee?  I paid the tab last time, you spot it today."

The plan is to force them into a situational crux in which they are presented with a mutually enjoyable event with seemingly no strings attached.  The first proposal exploits a psychological phenonmenon in which if a person commits an act for another, self-monitoring suggest a higher affinity with the cause, thus making her think she likes you more than she actually does, but this is soon shifted as it is a self-fulfilled prophecy.

The second proposal exploits the converse effect, wherein a large and unreasonable plea is contrasted with a lesser one, which is then perceived as far less threatening.

Additionally, make her work for everything.  This affirms a social ranking by implicating that you two are equals.  At no time should you let your speech, body language, attire, or appearance suggest you are lower (even if you are).  Now, this is the trick.  You've got to throw in a few freebies here and there.  More and more as you get along.  Eventually small favors become a given.  You can usually measure this with her smile.  Make sure you check her pattern, like tell a really funny joke or show her something cute once or twice as a metrestick if you don't have experience.  Look for grin movement speed, eye tenseness, compactness of cheeks, etc.  Compliments:  make sure you drop them few and far between.  Make sure they count.  Analyze every word before letting it loose.  Now, be sure to compliment her on a day she did NOT make any effort (casual day, she just woke up and feels like shit, didn't have time for makeup this morning, etc).  This assures her baseline security.  However, do not do this often.  This will implicate that you will take her vanilla, which they interpret as you being lower on the social ranking.  Again, exercise discretion.

One last tip:  don't drop smiles all over the place.  They like their men happy, but if you make it elusive, she will try to determine what makes you smile.  Be a jerk.  Sarcasm and cynicism go a long way as long as you're not bitter with it.  At only mildly interested.  Make sure you forget her name the second time you meet her.  Make sure that after a while, you remember one very detailed fine point about her.  The contrast, it's all about the contrast.  Make sure you stand out from the competition (or potential competition).  Make sure you seed thoughts of the competition being inferior, naive, unadjusted, or incompatible.  As long as you sound like you know more than she does, she may not buy your statements, but they're now on her mind and her mind will subconsciously be looking for observations that fit your suggestion, which makes her believe it more, making you seem all the smarter (as long as you didn't say complete bull).  Again, exercise discretion.

Good luck world4ch!

People have suggested that if you want avoid all this friend labelling shit, you should stand your ground and say to her that you want her to be your gf or nothing at all.

Then that would be really be gambling it all. As much as we all could say "this girl aint worth my time", if the girl was really special to you, you'd want to be close to her whether be it just as a friend or ideally as a bf. And if you put such a statement to her "me as your bf or nothing at all", heck she won't care, she'd just say fine and be happy that she has less things to worry about.

Ahh How i yearn for the days when a man could own a women.

>>81
Sounds like a plan, but that's part of why I'm single and not looking. I'm tired of playing stupid run and catch games with girls. I don't want to have to work hard for love and be constantly tested - that's not really love - nor I'd do that to a girl I like, because well, if I like her, why would I be an ass and make it harder? That's why I lost interest in girls, their absolute lack of sincerity and childish behaviour disgust me beyond measure.

You've got to throw in a few freebies here and there.
Yeah, that's another thing I hate. It's not like I can't pay for stuff, in fact I would rank high in the money department (which is one of the stuff girls actually look for), but I don't want to BUY love. Love comes for free, or it's not love. The idea of having to pay for her stuff (which I'd otherwise gladly do without a problem) to be appreciated makes me sick; ugly bitches, get away from me. This is another case where today's society is so not-sexist, execept when girls want to.

tell a really funny joke
Lol, this can be very hard. They have an utterly stupid sense of humor. They only laugh at completely retarded, straightforward stuff. Anything that would make me laugh, they can't even understand within a minute.

Analyze every word before letting it loose.
Yet another thing that pisses me off. Why do I have to filter my words when I'm talking to them? WTF, if they don't like how I am, then it's over. Same for them, I want a girl that will behave how she really is and tell me anything as she thinks of it without filtering it through OMGICantTellHimThisBecauseHellThinkThisAndThat™.

Sarcasm and cynicism go a long way as long as you're not bitter with it.
Every time I tried to be sarcastic, they were confused and took it the wrong way. Every time I tried to be cynical, they got mad. I think they dislike it because they feel their little intelligence challenged.

This is humor:

Maddox humor > Standard smart humor > Casual humor > VIP Quality > Girls humor

>>82

I never said it wasn't a gamble in the first place.  Compatibility isn't deterministic, it's probabalistic at best.

>>84
It doesn't have to be material.  Such as:  say you had something important to do and couldn't help her with something.  But be there anyway and say "finished early, thought I'd drop by."  Say you won't get her something and do it anyway as a surprise.  Buying gifts is a special case of this suggestion.  Presence, attention, and treatment all work just as well.  But simply put, don't let them dictate how you act.  You are in control, you guide the direction.  Make sure they pay their half of the tab, and accidentally pay the whole thing on a whim once, vary it up.

Heh, you're chasing the wrong girls then.

Diplomacy.  What you say and what you meant can be interpreted very differently.  They have a way of using what you say against you.  Make sure you are in control of the direction of the conversation when making a statement.  Don't fall for trap questions.If your comments aren't kosher it could turn out ugly.

>>86
Heh, you're chasing the wrong girls then.
People says this, but then I ask, where are the good ones? My problem is I just hate how girls are. I hate this "social ladder" shit and having to forcefully, artificially boost my "social status" (whatever shit anything "social" is) against the girl I like; I hate them not being sincere, bold and direct like I am; I hate not being able to openly give the best of me for the girl I like; I hate being set tests and traps all the time by the one that's supposed to love me; I hate that the only thing girls seem to consider fun is getting drunk at a shitty pub with cancer stick smoke and unhealthy loud trash music; ...

I don't have one gay cell in me, but I can't stand girls' personality, so I'm pretty much fucked and bound to remain alone even though I'd like not to. Meh.

>>87

Again, wrong girls.  And if that's who you are that's who you are.  You don't like deception from either party and want things instantly rightout.  Some people can't deal with that type of personality.  Get over it.  It's probabilistic--you just have a lower probability with the population, but it doesn't mean you won't bag your mark eventually.

Where are the good ones?  Hiding behind a book, thinking exactly the same things you are.  Out of your range of sight and interaction.

Drunk, smokes, and loud?  Yeah, because they're trying to delabel themselves from the "princess" archetype.  Trying to disassociate themselves from "goody goody" people.

Let me describe myself so you know where I'm coming from.  I love screwing around with people.  I have fun everyday making up stories about how I got this scar and this scar (like I was in Spain this summer and got in a barfight with Beckham, but he paid for the hospital bill and now I've got his mobile number right here).  I objectify girls as simple-minded people with obvious motivations, inclinations, and attitudes.  I laugh at everything, I manage to find humor in almost any event.  I love to work out--not for looks or performance, but because of the buzz I get, it's so addictive.  The end result?  Sarcastic genius jock that plays with and throws away people regularly.  And surfs 4chan.  Once I stopped taking romance seriously it was a much happier lifestyle.  I concentrated on myself, and making every day very fun, productive, and rewarding.  All girls are very fun as long as you don't give a shit about romance--use them as ways to get in touch with more important people, a way to hook up a friend with a date if he's down, or a piece of ass if you're in the mood.  My contingency is that if I ever feel like I like the girl, I'll get closer, and when she asks to go the next step, decline and say "if you feel the same way in one year, I'll give it a shot."  Then let things go from there.

I think you're a bit too focused on a gung ho approach--complete honesty, complete dedication, complete transparency, etc.  A word of advice, which is my opinion, take it if you will:  Discretion, restraint, and moderation are key.  Going all in is a bold move, which, as an early encounter, suggests that you are dispositionally extreme on the average.  While I'm sure you're a perfectly normal human being, girls won't see it that way.  They'll see someone with a weird personality because, if the behavior is bold even to you, they will think this is the norm for you.  Fundamental Attribution Error, it's called.  If you really are extreme, you're just very picky with the population.  Good luck on that one.  lol

>>88
Where are the good ones?  Hiding behind a book, thinking exactly the same things you are.  Out of your range of sight and interaction.
That may be true.

Yeah, because they're trying to delabel themselves from the "princess" archetype.
Irony. They don't want to be the princess archetype, except for matters related to sex - where they'll hardly admit it if they like porn, for example. I, for one, seek exactly the opposite: a perverted princess.

Trying to disassociate themselves from "goody goody" people.
When did being "baddy bad" become better than being "goody good"? This world is seriously fucked up.

I laugh at everything, I manage to find humor in almost any event.
I do that too... Laughing is very healthy.

complete honesty, complete dedication, complete transparency, etc.  A word of advice, which is my opinion, take it if you will:  Discretion, restraint, and moderation are key.
Thanks for the advice. *Sigh*, I guess commitement and chivalry are not valued features today... And the main reason why I would want a girlfriend is to have somebody to commit to and give it all for :/ . I wish I had been born 500 years ago. But with computers.

>>89
>>I guess commitement and chivalry are not valued features today
It is valued among most modern girls. It is what they ULTIMATELY aim for when they are thinking of the long term (marriage etc).

But when marriage or long term commitment aint on their mind (and being so indecisive they can never make up their mind), they want something that will satisfy them the short term. And as most observe girls want the bad boy in the short term.

>>Discretion, restraint, and moderation are key
That is most true when approaching a girl. But comes down to each guy's personality. Like me I prefer to just lay all my cards on the table when the time comes. I am not gonna play the chasing game because its a waste of time because its just all leads to the same thing. Playing the guessing game just prolongs it. I want to be clear of my feelings and if its mutual, put my full dedication to her and be completely open with her. That I guess is ultimately what the definition of the nice guy is i suppose. Something that girl's find it depressing, a turn off, something below of them and not in fashion?

When you have met the girl that you have ultimately envisioned (not physically but personality) are you gonna lower your expectations?

I met a girl who would make the ultimate gf. Doesnt like to spend much money. Doesnt like ppl paying for her. Enjoys the simple stuff. She is open to all sort of stuff. Wild yet reserved. Doesn't like cliches as most girls do. And more and more. Heck I think she will be wild in bed. cos u always know the shy/quiet ones are always that. She keeps talking about sex, asking about sex, reading about sex yet when you show her the actual material, she cringe cos she still stuck in her catholic schoolgirl mode.

Yet I couldn't get as close to her and end up in her best friend pile. In fact I think i've ended up in "guy she wouldnt seriously be intimate even if I was the last guy on earth".

So I move on and try to find someone to top that. Now that is difficult. Maybe eventually will find someone but till then Im single.

I've been single for a while. Thats just cuz i wanna be. The last guy I dated was a clingy annoying bastard. He called me ever single day. once he called me 15 times in one day! then he always complained about how mean and uncaring i am. he wished i was like other girls. so i dumped him. the only reason he went out with me is cuz i'm short and cute >< i don't have time for a bastard who whined all the time.

well he was kinda right XD. i'm not like other girls. i don't even get along with girls.thats why i hang out with guys. i don't care about popularity and who has the best outfit. i'm smart, i'm addicted to anime i don't have any problems with porn, and i would rather spend my time playing video games in my underwear and eating junkfood. fuck gossiping who is the cutest boy and who goes out with who.

>>92
You sounded like a cool person until you got to the junk food part :D
No offense.

SO YOU ARE TYPICAL FAT AMERICAN OTAKU?!?!"?!?!?!?!11

>>92

I would date you if you wern't so fat, Raven-tan.

>>91

Just once.  Honest, yet kept confrontation to a minimum.  Strong-willed, independent, outgoing.  Cute, beautiful, hot, and adorable.  Extremely smart, nice bod, and a friend with everyone.  Her only downside was insecurity with a deep relationship.  Plus she has a big forehead.  >_>

In any case, I'd like to know more but she intentionally keeps me in the dark, hates gossiping about her love life (and subsequent lack thereof).  We're thousands of kilometres apart now, but that's fine.  She's put a hole in my bucket-like heart for life.  A hole I'll remember and cherish as we go our separate ways, probably never seeing each other face to face for the rest of our lives.  I hope she's getting enough sleep.

Girls want to be:
1) not defenseless - hence seeking a bf with badass characteristics
2) not a slut - hence trying to bottle up any sexual desire
3) special - they want attention, payments, gifts, exemptions, special treatment
4) accomplished - they DO NOT WANT COMPLETE DEDICATION from the get-go.  They want to win it over from men as a trophy of their worthiness as women.


500 years ago, the Renaissance was starting to go bull.  It was the age where every man tried to be multitalented, masters of everything, and jack-of-trades.  Compare that to 1500 years ago.  Human rights were just beginning to get established.  The age of Romance wasn't even infantile.  The world was dog-eat-dog competition, with the lower echelons of society taught to live and die with total devotion as to maximize their output for the better of the kingdom/duchy/domain/whatever.  When was the last time you heard of a ruler going all in?  Chivalry was something taught to justify the occupation--when in fact any of the ranked peoples were anything but altruists.

The world was never that way.  Going all in is a horrible idea in any era.

In the long run, women don't see their partners as lovers.  They are a family now.  The bonds are now familial more than romantic.  You want your family and friends to be loyal, honest, etc.

An alternative hypothesis is that economically speaking, they want a stable holding status.  They want successful husbands that give them room, but attention (so they feel justified in their self-image, rather than as an ignored old hag).  It's a complex critical point, but you get the idea.

They're no longer looking for the thrill of the hunt, they want to have a trophy to mount.

I think girls see themselves as warriors of romance.  They look for a challenge with great rewards, and guage their happiness with the magnitude of the reward and difficulty of the struggle to obtain it.  It's the yardstick to their worth.  Just like how we guys brag about winnings in poker, our alcohol tolerance, etc.

Romance is a safari to them.  They want to bag the big one, and the harder the fight, the better the experience.  But if the fight is too hard, or looks impossible in the beginning, they give up.  I think the analogy works.

>>97
girls as warriors of romance?? That would imply girls are the ones that do most of the legwork. Well unless you consider the following as their means to getting their guy
1. Looking good/pretty (dressing up etc etc)
2. Playing hard to get

I thin its the guys that are the ones that are warrios of romance. We always strive to find that really special girl. The more special you see her, the more you'd want her. And the amount of resources that we guys put it from
1. Time
2. Money
3. Committment (unless you were a player and was going after more than 1 girl all at the same time)
4. Your heart

I guess I am single because frankly all the girls I've met on a day to day basis from uni to parties are just not my type. Then of course when my type comes, she is either already taken or is the type that doesnt want any relationship yet. Thank god I havent fallen for a girl who turned out to be lesbian instead.

I had a close call once with this one girl because I found out that nearly all her friends were serious lesbians (because she plays womens football so you'd tend to find lesbians there). So I got so depressed because I was saying "Man how life loves to insult me with girls. First its all the girls I want are taken or unavailable, now the girl I really want is a lesbian??". Man, was I glad when it turned out to be not true. In the end though she didn't fall for me. She wanst the type that was looking for a relationship yet.

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>>75
You remind me very much of myself. I'm not certain that's a good thing.

>>76
If sitting idly by is all it takes to remain single, then why do harem series exist? Eh, either way, I'm just going to wait in the background; I never really liked people-- myself included-- anyway.

>>77
This seems pretty true, overall. It's like there is no happy medium or something along those lines.

>>78
WEE-A-BOO! WEE-A-BOO! (Sorry, reflex.)

>>84
Abso-fucking-lutely agreed. To hell with the chase, if that's the only way to find love, then dying a cynical, hermited virgin is starting to sound a LOT more appealing.

>>94
80~ pounds = fatass? Wow, the world really IS fucked in the head. Oh, and YOU WANT MIRRION DORRAH?!?!"?!?!?!?!11

>>99
Ah, such is life. At least you can take comfort in the fact that you've yet to fall for a girl who prefers cats to snakes, if y'know what I mean.

>>100
gb2/VIP/

I've noticed several of the posts in the last 40 echo my own line of thinking, for the larger part (except for the fact that I really prefer to keep quiet). Is this a bad sign?

>>101
>>If sitting idly by is all it takes to remain single, then why do harem series exist?

Because harem series are fictional? I mean yes there are guys who just don't need to lift a finger and he would have girls upon girls falling at his feet. But is he really attracting the actual kind of girls he want? If he is, well lucky him.

>>98

Self-perception, not analogous comparison.  Part of hunting is picking the locale, picking the mark, setting the trap, then going for the kill.  It's not like they put on armor and do bloody battle, as cool as that may sound...on paper.  I'm simply pointing out the fundamentals of the motivation.

And I totally disagree with the men fulfilling the role.  We are after something else completely.  We're in it to find completion.  To find purpose, justification, all that.  We look for a mate that will make our lives complete in one way or another.  It's a pretty self-centered hypothesis, but hey, it's what I've seen from our patterns of behavior.  We seek romance to stave off loneliness, to obtain greater happiness, to reaffirm our purpose.  We don't go out into the world trying to bag supermodels, the colder the better, then brag about how hard it was to get her to like you.  Well, if you're looking for a trophy wife yes you are.  But under normal circumstances, I think males and females work completely differently in turns of internal motivations, actual behaviors aside--the methodology is highly variable, but motivations seem to hold across cultural, age, and dispositional lines.

>>98

Self-perception, not analogous comparison.  Part of hunting is picking the locale, picking the mark, setting the trap, then going for the kill.  It's not like they put on armor and do bloody battle, as cool as that may sound...on paper.  I'm simply pointing out the fundamentals of the motivation.

And I totally disagree with the men fulfilling the role.  We are after something else completely.  We're in it to find completion.  To find purpose, justification, all that.  We look for a mate that will make our lives complete in one way or another.  It's a pretty self-centered hypothesis, but hey, it's what I've seen from our patterns of behavior.  We seek romance to stave off loneliness, to obtain greater happiness, to reaffirm our purpose.  We don't go out into the world trying to bag supermodels, the colder the better, then brag about how hard it was to get her to like you.  Well, if you're looking for a trophy wife yes you are.  But under normal circumstances, I think males and females work completely differently in turns of internal motivations, actual behaviors aside--the methodology is highly variable, but motivations seem to hold across cultural, age, and dispositional lines.