Pedophiles are just people too weak to resist the urge to infect something so innocent.
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Anonymous2005-01-15 15:46
This forum is for serious political debate (not current events).
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Anonymous2005-01-15 16:06
If gay rights is a political debate, so is paedophilia.
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Anonymous2005-01-15 16:35
I would say this is a stupid question since 99% percent of pedophiles don't talk about it in public.
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Anonymous2005-01-15 17:45
That's why it's a perfect question for this forum!
Oh oh oh, but people are going to lie, because it's the Internet.
You mean "ex-gays" don't lie face-to-face? pssshhh you are naive.
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Anonymous2005-01-15 20:46
pedo should be legal.
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Anonymous2005-01-16 1:32
>>9
no, I just meant that if you ever met an ex-pedo, you wouldn't know, because they probably wouldn't say "Hey, did you know I used to be a pedophile? Yup, I always thought kids were really sexy." Also, if someone you knew was a pedophile, and then stopped being one, you probably wouldn't know that either, because they probably wouldn't have told you that they were one to begin with.
first you must define pedo. In some societies on earth today a 13yr old girl is old enough to marry. Some tribal societies (before the Mormons got to them) held that children should be iniated to sex by an older relative, others by the older children.
In the US they would all be classed as pedos.
Given the range of variation shown, I'd wager "Nurture". The fact that a large percentage pedos were themselves victims also supports it.
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Anonymous2005-01-16 4:50
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if so, why are there so many pedophiles? you wouldnt see a thing that might lead you to pedophilia, unless you SEEKED it.
Childeren are taboo as sex objects (for good fucking reason I might add). Misunderstood or inadequetly explained taboos lead curiosity. The spiral can be stopped right here by proper explaination. Repression only amplifies curiosity which amplifies repression. Somewhere in this vicious cycle curiosity will mutate into desire. Around here people will either commit suicide, seek professional help... or start looking for kiddy porn. Thanks to the news, everyone knows theres kiddy porn on the internet. If our budding pedophile makes it onto irc (dal.net in particular), they're set. Thousands upon thousands of upload >=< download ratio fileservers offering free credits to start. Our pedophile will burn through these in a few days. They'll either start acting as couriers, transfering between file servers untill they get enough to set up their own server... or... or they'll start producing child porn. As all criminals go... they only get smarter with time... I sought professional help once I realized what I was being silently asked to do.
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Anonymous2005-01-16 7:18
failed romance leads to pedophilia, me thinks.
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Anonymous2005-01-16 13:03
>>14
Are there really that many pedophiles? It's talked about a lot on the news and sensationalized, but really, is it that common?
We should distinguish between the legal definitions, where the definitions vary from place to place, and the core idea of having sexual desires for prepubescent children, which I think is a very, very rare situation.
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Anonymous2005-01-16 13:45
Pedophiles just made up their sexual preference, just like homosexuals. Theres no way a sane person can fap to kids (microgenitallia that is of little use to adults) or members of the same sex (genitallia that doesn't even fit your own). I don't think people are really gay or pedo, but they feel they are and act on it. By pedo, I mean attracted to kids 12 and under (or pre/early puberty). 15 and older girls look the same until mid 20's, so if you have sex with a 16 y/o a pedo you are not, pervert maybe.
>>18 Pedophiles just made up their sexual preference, just like homosexuals.
I would bet $200 you do not know anyone openly gay.
>>17
Studies indicate that 20% of American men have some paedophilic tendencies, and roughly 7% would honestly rape a child if there were no consequences (e.g. on a desert island). The figure is more like 2% in women, though.
Source: http://www.glgarden.org/desire/population.html
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Anonymous2005-01-16 19:44
>>18
What the fuck is the difference between believing that you like something and actually liking it? How could you tell? You don't make any sense.
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Anonymous2005-01-16 22:39 (sage)
Not his job to make sense. Talking from your ass provides alot of freedom.
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Anonymous2005-01-16 22:40 (sage)
Not his job to make sense. Talking from your ass provides alot of freedom.
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Anonymous2005-01-17 0:35
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Can we define our terms? When you say "pedophilic tendencies," do you mean these men are saying "yeah, I'd bone a 17 year old girl if I wouldn't get caught," or do you mean they're lusting for seven-year-olds?
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm trying to understand what you mean. Define "tendencies." Define "rape." Define "child." Help me understand your position. Thanks.
H.E. Barbaree, W.L. Marshall: Erectile responses amongst heterosexual child molesters, father-daughter incest offenders and matched non-offenders. Five distinct age preference profiles. Annual meeting of the International Academy of Sex Research, Amsterdam, August 1986.
Cite (Sandfort): [A] study by Barbaree and Marshall [...] shows that the situation is even more complex. Adults who had had sexual contacts with children were differentiated on the basis of five distinct age preference profiles of penile response, as measured with a plethysmograph. J. Briere, M. Runtz: University males' sexual interest in children: predicting potential indices of "pedophilia" in a nonforensic sample. Child Abuse & Neglect 13:1 (1989), pp. 65-75.
A survey was administered to 193 male undergraduate students regarding their sexual interest in children, as well as their responses to a number of questions theoretically relevant to pedophilia. In total, 21% of subjects reported sexual attraction to some small children, 9% described sexual fantasies involving children, 5% admitted to having masturbated to such fantasies, and 7% indicated some likelihood of having sex with a child if they could avoid detection and punishment. These sexual interests were associated with negative early sexual experiences, masturbation to pornography, self-reported likelihood of raping a woman, frequent sex partners, sexual conflicts, and attitudes supportive of sexual dominance over women. The data did not, however, support clinical theories regarding sexual repression or impulse-control problems among potential pedophiles.
Ofcourse some pedophile website would selectively choose studies to quote. If there were no homosexual culture, the number of homosexuals would be less, the same with pedos and the online pedo culture. The encourage other people to join them with bullshit like this.
I meant in the same way that people pretent to like sports, or a certain style of dress in order to fit in with some cliqueish group.
Fine maybe a few people are gay or pedo, but its a tiny fraction of the total who claim to be pedos or gay and even those people could be treated. It makes no sense from an evolutionary standpoint to have sex with the same sex or not-yet-fertile members of the opposite sex. Why would so many members of a species have a condition that dooms your species?
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Could you really become sexual aroused & erect in a sexual situation with a man and reach orgasm just to try to be cool? Or would it be impossible for you to find it arousing? If you couldn't do it, what reason do you have to assume that anybody else would be able to?
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Anonymous2005-01-18 13:42
Japanese soldiers fucked Korean lolis in WWII. American soldiers fucked Vietnamese lolis in Vietnam War. Russian soldiers fucked French, German, well let's just say all the lolis they found on the way to Germany. I think that's interesting fact to think about.
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Anonymous2005-01-18 14:36
>>31
I think this supports the "1 in 5" theory, actually
I think everyone has the potential to be a pedo. Any fetishes can be cultivated. Getting turned on by breasts is such an example. It's just become so widespread that it's no longer considered out of the ordinary, but do you really think sexual attraction to breasts is instinctive? A lot of people who are full blown pedophiles started out with normal sexual interests, but then explored the field on a whim or out of curiousity, and accidentally let it get out of hand.
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Anonymous2005-01-20 0:51 (sage)
Sexual attraction to breasts is instinctive. Breasts are one indicator of fertility. Needless to say, as a species it's in our intrest for the males to be busy fucking healthy fertile females.
Don't go blabbing about something you so obviously don't get.
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Anonymous2005-01-20 0:52 (sage)
Not that I disagree with the assertion of >>39 though. That was just a poor example.
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Anonymous2005-01-20 11:45
>>40 That would be assuming that breasts size was designed to indicate health and fertility, and assuming that people are instinctively attracted to large breasts. That is not always the case.
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Anonymous2005-01-20 11:54
ืNo more boobs talk plzkthx
boobs are disgusting
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BQB2005-01-20 12:47 (sage)
Hooray for BQQBIES!
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Anonymous2005-01-20 12:51
me and 43 are making this the official pedo hangout thread
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Anonymous2005-01-20 14:21 (sage)
sage
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Anonymous2005-01-20 15:30
flat chest = bad at making/storing milk
larger chest = more milk storage capablities, etc
So, yes, larger breasts do generally indicate better abilities to rear young. It would be evolutionarily beneficial to prefer bigger boobs over smaller boobs. Instincts are usually pretty simple like this.
However, the extent that people in western society obsess over naked breasts might be enhanced over that of some tribe where they are constantly exposed to them. I imagine they would still find them arousing and prefer bigger ones, however... much in the same way that western males still think good legs are hot, even though it's common to see naked ones.
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Anonymous2005-01-20 16:08 (sage)
btw, no party supports pedos (nambla political wing maybe?), I don't think this is politics.
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Anonymous2005-01-20 17:53 (sage)
This stupidity belongs in another forum.
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2005-01-20 17:56(capped)
sorry there is no Philosophy forum right now, you can talk philosophy in here all you want
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Anonymous2005-01-20 18:51
>>47 hmm maybe this is why asian people are short and look underdeveloped. their mommies didn't give them enough tit ;)
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Anonymous2005-01-20 23:32 (sage)
>>50
Must be one nasty caricature of a Philosophy forum you have planned there...
This shit belongs in VIP.
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2005-01-21 0:38(capped)
ok any discussion mr. anonymous finds revolting belongs in the vip forum
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Anonymous2005-01-21 9:17
It's not revolting. It's just plain asinine. Read the comments man.
WTF does pedophilia have to do with politics anyway? It's generally some older guy getting a hardon over some titless brats.
i don't think pedo is a philosophy either (catholicism?) . Maybe psychology board would be appropriate. This board should be renamed to "PHILOSOPHY+THEOLOGY+PSYCHOLOGY+SOCIOLOGY+POLITICS" then.
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Anonymous2005-01-25 8:17
There needs to be a simple "society" board.
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Anonymous2005-02-05 19:09
I was watching something about the Pornography industry on HBO the other day. The Europeans think that the American male's fetish of liking large breasts is a side effect of our infantilization.
One porn actress said, and I paraphrase: "It's a very good thing that we have pornography, otherwise we would be a bunch of "mother fuckers".
I guess this post could also belong to a thread dealing with Freudianism.
actually the same psychological mechanism is at work with "lolicon"
as per freud, people who want to ignore/repress the unconscious human impetus towards infantilized sexual idealization will gravitate toward the extreme opposite of the spectrum... and hence "lolicon" was born, it's about as old as time itself.
as your porn actress says... "mother fuckers". go directly and fuck your mother, or try to fuck the furthest thing from your mother to avoid thinking about fucking your mother
I have to disagree, sort of. With everyone, including the Europeans. I'm going to try to figure this convoluted subject out, I could be wrong about all of this, but here it is:
I think we are hard-wired with a natural aversion to our mothers and immediate family members. We don't have an idealization of them, we have an "aversion" to them. Would you want to have sex with someone that even looked like your mother?
Freud also said that when males prefer females who are physically larger than they are that these males must have more than natural feelings for their mother. If the guy was not outright making things up, I don't think he had a good understanding of this issue.. I think it's possible that he or a subject of his had an aversion to his mother that disturbed him in some sense that carried over to his ideation of sex with women and Freud found all of this to be a very common psychological phenomenon, and he took that knowledge and coupled it with child psychology and tried to apply it to adults by exploiting all of that knowledge into pseudo-scientifical sophistry (that is, if he indeed does apply it to adults, I don't have a good understanding of his work. Maybe it's other people exploiting Freuds ideas?)..
It probably wouldn't be too hard to exploit, for control, the naivety of some fellow who lacked understanding of himself and who also happened to have strong sexual aversions to his mother, maybe feeling the idea of the mother invading some private space of his sexual being in some instances. Someone sophisticated enough could cause such a person to think that, in reality, they wanted to have sex with their mother.
Maybe the gravitation to the opposite(if "opposite" is not arbitrary), to pedophilia, is a natural gravitation away from the aversion and to physiological purity, only there is one problem with that: it's clearly antisocial to act on your pedophilic lust.
Antisocial personality disorder is having a lack of compassion for others. Seeing a weakness in others and wanting to exploit it for your own gain shows a lack of conscience--this is the gist of antisocial behavior.
The idea that most pedophiles resist following through with their instinctive lust and decide not to act on it due to the harm it would cause the object of their affection is also very popular and makes much sense to me.
Basically, what I would like to say is that when pedophiles are not antisocial they will not violate children, and if they do violate children, possibly while rationalizing that the child isn't being harmed, they are violating the child, and themselves as well. If it were carried out within a culture such as ours it could also harm other pedophiles, and society itself.
As for the issue of incest, it's easier for a me to look at bisexually (here, this word is not meant in a sexual orientation/preference sense but as incest applies to both sexes, whereas the whole pedophile thing is easier for me to understand from the male POV). Whether it be a son and his mother or a daughter and her father, for it to occur and not cause a major psychological disturbance in the son or daughter, that individual would have to completely lack the aversion, and probably have to be psychologically disordered in a way that makes them view their mother/father as something other than a mother/father, if that is possible, and/or in an extreme and odd case of antisocial personality, simply as an "object".
Even for someone to be erotically stimulated by the thought of having sex with their mother, father, etc. would be a sign of psychological disorder unless it's not recurrent and happens while they are in a dream-state or something of that nature. If one is not antisocial, can think efficiently (i.e they are not retarted), the odds of them having Oedipal Syndrome (if that means someone who wants to bang his mother) or "oedipette syndrome", for that matter, would have to be nearly impossible. How this applies to Freudianism, I don't know. I would have to research it.
Sorry if some of that has poor grammar. I'm not an expert at it and I didn't want to set here for a long period of time trying to correct and simplify it.
Oh, and if it matters for the reader, I do have some pedophile tendencies. However, my strong attraction to females is not limited or primarily focused at young females. In fact, many people, of any age level and especially under 14, succeed at being "not my type". I cannot be attracted to a girl just because she's young and innocent so I'll have to disagree with whoever posted something about how pedophiles only want to infect innocence. or whatever it was.
I do agree that this doesn't really fit into a politics category. Maybe Science would have been more appropriate.
if you subscribe to freud, seeking out your anti-mother in a sexual partner is the repressive manifestation of the infantilized id
meaning it actually wants something visually akin to your mother subconsciously, in the part of mind that cannot be rationalized
race is another spectrum on which to slide
besides the age spectrum....
many asian fetishes from anglo race perspectives are created out of perceptions of submissiveness and far-removed cultural exoticness, in that many of these individuals have issues dealing with women of their own race as equals for whatever reason
other races are an easy way to achieve the conscious "aversion" you are referring to, what goes on in the id is separate from conscious action
as far as the age spectrum goes... generally it is kept within reason, the 25year old wife of the 80year old oil tycoon et al
though youth has always been lusted after, there has always been reasonable moral restraint based on maturity considerations
harming a child is abjectly wrong as is all actual pedophelia, socially or anti-socially
i watched that too, i think the bitch who said that wasn't a pornstar but was some BS psychologist or random panalist. Not everyone who commented on that show was in the porno industry. BTW, the dicks they showed weren't that impresive, perhaps they last a long time and can come on command.
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Anonymous2005-02-06 20:06
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"actual pedophilia" is not child abuse. It's just an attraction to young girls. Pedophilia and Child Abuse are two different things. "Anti-social" does not mean what it looks like it does; anti-social behavior has nothing to do with being unsocial towards people, it means to use people, exploiting their weakness for your gain, with no empathy for them and thinking that they deserve it because they are weaker.
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Anonymous2005-02-06 20:44
What is the proper term, then, for a man who feels sexual desire for prepubescent girls, but understands that this is wrong, and lives his entire life never acting on these urges? Is he still a "pedophile" if he never buys kiddy pr0n or does anything to a child?
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Anonymous2005-02-06 21:21
Correct.
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Anonymous2005-02-06 21:24 (sage)
>>65 the proper term is:
"a man who feels sexual desire for prepubescent girls, but understands that this is wrong"
the term pedophilia is defined to indicate action or eventual action - as well as fantasy, it is a blanket term..
you must include the caveat "...but understands that this is wrong AND WILL NEVER ACT UPON IT" if you want to use the term pedophilia to indicate fantasy-only
then there is always the "slippery slope" argument(fantasy degenerating to action)... but we are only talking about a definition of terms here
the operative words in such a caveat are "wrong" and "never act upon it" suggesting you have a clear sense of morality and a full control of will
though it is quite rare to find a socially adjusted person calling themselves a pedophile, with caveats or without
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Anonymous2005-02-07 4:02
Post 67 is misleading.
The term "pedophile" could be used erroneously to indicate many things, but it is DEFINED indicating something wholly independent of the idea of sexual encounters or lack therof.
pedophile:
Noun
An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.
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Noun
Inflected forms: pl.chil·dren 1. A person between birth and puberty.
In other words, if you ever feel a sexual attraction to a child, you are a pedophile. Even (and I'm sure it's very common among socially adjusted people, contrary to post 67) if you don't prefer them over older people and are very glad not to act on your attraction to a child, you are still a pedophile, poster 65.
Of course if you want to look at the whole language thing as not dependent on definitions and look at it in a constructivist (is that the right term?) point of view, you could say that the term "pedophile" means only what most people in a given environment thinks it does. If that's the case, than it's probably at an in-between kind of existence, and you might want to use the advice of the 67th poster. Regardless, though, you're a pedophile unless it goes completely off course completely, in whichever environment you are in, from its originally intended meaning.
Well, I hope someone learned something by reading my post (as I have learned things from others here), and even though the layout was loading weird tonight and I had to scroll way over to the right to get the thread list, I am starting to like this place. Keep it up.
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Anonymous2005-02-07 4:37
whats wrong with fucking a loli if she agrees?
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Anonymous2005-02-07 6:04 (sage)
>>69
Well... how much did you know about sex when you were 11? Of course, any more than almost nothing makes you a bad example, but we'll still love you.
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Anonymous2005-02-07 19:01
Well, yas. The typical eight-year-old does not have enough knowledge or life experience to give informed consent. Typically, a child would not have any idea that she might be risking syphilis or something worse. An eight-year-old wouldn't even know what syphilis is. And a hypothetical extremely precocious eight-year-old who had all the medical knowledge about such matters in all likelihood *still* wouldn't have the judgment to decide wisely, nor the life experience to judge whether or not her sweaty bald fat fifty-year-old would-be partner is likely to dismember her afterwards and stuff her tiny corpse into the crawl space of his house--a non-trivial risk, when you consider just how fucked up a man would have to be to want to fuck an eight-year-old girl.
Sex is an adult matter, for adults. This isn't just a tautology.
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Anonymous2005-02-07 22:32
Even if an 18 year old has sex, or an abortion or uses drugs, much later they may regret it. It seems to me, true adulthood is delayed more and more, especially in the western countries. Nowadays, only 60+ year olds can fully appreciate the choices they make. It takes alot longer than it used to to accumulate the proper amount of wisdom. Maybe when life expectancy was shorter it was more important to learn from your mistakes the first time. The hedonsitic lifestyle does not bring longterm satisfaction, but thanks to viagra it is continuing far too long.
If you are attracted to kids before they have reached sexual maturation, it is a serious problem. When it is a 12 year old with tits it becomes more clouded, yet your brain should know better even if your balls don't.
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Anonymous2005-02-08 1:19
so you're saying we all should hav secks only if we past our 60's already?
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Anonymous2005-02-08 1:20
so you're saying we all should hav secks only if we past our 60's already?
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Anonymous2005-02-08 6:09 (sage)
>>72
I just attribute that to either bullshit or the exponetial growth rate of human stupidity.
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Anonymous2005-02-08 23:33
Lolitas are just as likely to have already been through puberty.
"lolita"
Means sexually precocious young girl. In the novel by Nabokov, The main character says that Lolita is a nymphet, and he prefers nymphets to women. He said that nymphets usually lose their "nymphethood" around the age of 14 or shortly later and can be younger than 10, but are usually older.
"Lolicon" doesn't have to be prepubescent. The people on the /l/ board have no idea what they're talking about. You could have "lolita complex" without being a pedophile.
I already knew about STIs when I was 5-year-olds. They started teaching this by Grade 1. Sex education is also taken by the age of 10.
Although a person of that age may not be able to give consent in the same way an older person would -- neither do many people of legal age. All one has to do is watch daytime talk shows where women act beserk over who they believe their baby's father is.
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Anonymous2005-02-20 6:27
why is it ok for 13 year olds to fuck each other but not ok for an 18 year old to fuck a 13 year old?
By your logic mastubation, having sex with a woman while wearing a condom, having any orgasm at all that doesnt produce children doesnt make sense. Take a "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" pill and stfu
By your logic mastubation, having sex with a woman while wearing a condom, having any orgasm at all that doesnt produce children doesnt make sense. Take a "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" pill and stfu
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Anonymous2005-03-01 3:11
pedos gtfo
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CV2005-03-03 6:48
The current political climate of pedophilia being completely unnaceptable is recent. As little as 100 years ago, there was no crime in sex with 12 year olds. Different eras and peoples have different attitudes towards this. In Roman times, for instance, sex with little boys was completely normal and expected. Today we concoct scientific justifications for the belief that sex with children is harmful to them, but there's little evidence of this. In fact Kinsey largely refuted the idea decades ago and there's almost no study of it today. It's taken as gospel truth. To be sure, forcing anyone into sexual relations is harmful, but to assume that all sex with children is, by nature, forced is so incorrect as to be completely divorced from reality.
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divorced from reality.2005-03-03 10:26
i think you are divorced from reality
>Today we concoct scientific justifications for the belief that sex with children is harmful to them,
dont need to concoct anything, poll children who were abused before they were mature, statistics prove you wrong
again, pedos gtfo
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K_x_uksami2005-03-03 18:53
Pædophilia is the result of nurture. Compare the levels of pædophilia in authoritarian nations like Japan (ie extremely high) with levels in less authoritarian nations such as some European nations. Unless you're a white supremacist, the implications are clear.
If pædophilia is genetic, then how do we deal with it? Eugenics? Wonderful idea, we all saw how nice it worked for Hitler and preWWII Amerika. Millions of people sterilized or even killed. Is that something we really want to return?
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K_x_uksami2005-03-03 18:54
Pædophilia is the result of nurture. Compare the levels of pædophilia in authoritarian nations like Japan (ie extremely high) with levels in less authoritarian nations such as some European nations. Unless you're a white supremacist, the implications are clear.
If pædophilia is genetic, then how do we deal with it? Eugenics? Wonderful idea, we all saw how nice it worked for Hitler and preWWII Amerika. Millions of people sterilized or even killed. Is that something we really want to return?
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Anonymous2005-03-08 16:03
>>87
Actually, eugenics would work really well with pedophilia. Supposing that pedophilia were to be 100% genetic, the only reason pedos breed is that they can't get their hands on lolis. Just have a government-run system of loli distribution for pedos and they won't be able to procreate. Problem solved :D
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Anonymous2005-03-08 16:03
>>87
Actually, eugenics would work really well with pedophilia. Supposing that pedophilia were to be 100% genetic, the only reason pedos breed is that they can't get their hands on lolis. Just have a government-run system of loli distribution for pedos and they won't be able to procreate. Problem solved :D
As recently as 35 years ago child pornography was fully legal. Magazines such as "How to Seduce Your Daughter" were sold along with the rest of the naughy rags.
I seriously doubt there were magazines on how to seduce your daughter. It sounds like an urban legend to me.
As for the gov-loli idea, keep in mind that the republican party hates both pædophilia and government intervention in the economy. :)
Also, I think the term is nymphet or Lolita, not loli (which appears to be a back formation from lolikon)
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Anonymous2005-03-13 9:21
It would not work well. The government is barely able to deliver mail. It would be like the DMV, where everyone has to wait in line all day to get to the window just before they close it.
By the time you got your loli, she wouldn't be a loli any more.
"To be sure, forcing anyone into sexual relations is harmful, but to assume that all sex with children is, by nature, forced is so incorrect as to be completely divorced from reality."
And then you mention _abused_ kids? Abuse is harmfull, nomatter what age.
No, it is true. I saw a documentary on the History channel about it, but it was in scandenavia, esp. denmark where it was happining in the late 60's early 70's. The gov. had to rethink their total legalization of porn and added anti-CP laws.
>>99
Also, this idea could be used to take some pressure off the orphanages and juvenile detention centers and such. Two birds with one stone, as it were.
Then should we execute all the pædophiles on the spot? In fact, lets just execute all criminals on the spot if their behavior is genetic.
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Anonymous2005-03-27 11:12
>>104
hey why not.
if we do that, then we'll end up with super-smart criminals and law abiders.
that is not a very good combination
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SomeDude2005-03-29 16:52
Just my half a cent.
Pedophilia is mostly nurture (like most things).
That being said, let me share this thought. (Please forget about abuse. Anyone can be abuse and it's wrong in any of those cases. This is about a "caring" relationship for lack of a better word.)
You like (not using love) a post-pubecent child. You are an "adult" (used loosely). If the relationship is consensual and caring then I believe it's ok. If you care for the child though, you would not want to screw them up by introducing them to "things" too early. This screws kids up (although not all of them). So to prevent them from future pain you should wait. I don't find anything wrong with this kind of relationship but the odds of disturbing the child are against you. If you truly do care, you would wait. If I were is this situation I would. If you don't, you are a horny fucker that should be far away from kids.
If you lust for kids (i.e. just sexual) then you should get help or have a lot of WILL POWER. Note that the previous paragraph implies more than just sex.
BTW, pedos with no restraint and abuse a kid should be shot. Enough money is spent keeping minorities in jail. Cut the finincial umbilical cord. And distributers od child pornography (not loli) should just be killed. The kids are being abused and they are driving down the collective morality of humanity.
Just half a cent.
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some other dude2005-03-29 17:07
my half a cent, cuz i'm not gonna waste a penny on this.
like 107, if the relationship is between a post-pubecnt child and an adult goes a little more then parental care, it should not be for sexual reasons, from either side. i dun believe that a relationship buit on sex is ever a good idea. a relationship built on love n care is all good no matter the age of either side. because a true relationship should be love of the person, from lust or pleasure, and those who only live for those should be shot too. if ur that selfish, that u wouldn't care what kind of effect u'd have on ur partner, both mentally and physically, then u don't deserve to have someone and should be put to sleep like the dog u are.
i dun believe pedos, like gays, are a bad thing. itz just a pereference, but if u really care bout that person, consider ur actions and their effects.
So when does the child become an adult? I think you have the right ideas, though, waiting for both physical and mental maturity before sex can be -- what it was meant to be -- a pleasureable thing for both parties. But again, when?
18? 16? Law in many American states says 16 is the age when one can give consent for sex, but what about two 14 year olds who want to pork? Anything wrong with that? If not, what's wrong with a 14 year old and a 24 year old? (Other than the obvious exploitation and influence problems, but we're assuming it's truely consentual.)
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some other dude2005-03-30 20:10
i mean if they really feel for each other, and they wanta do something like that then by all means, but remember not everyone developes the same, if the person is imature seriously, then no matter the age, itz not a good idea. itz up to the partners to decide when's the best time, and hopefully one if not both will have good judgment (as in maturity). i know relationships where one person is legal but so mentally imature he should be castrated, and i know a girl who's illegal, but so mature she can screw anyone she wants cuz i know she's responsible enough. there are some people in the world that are responsible enough to handle a relationship. for the other's who aren't mature enough, should wait till they're ready, and for those who'd neva mature, should be shot.
I'm sure that I would have paid much more attention to your arguments had you presented them in proper English.
Anyway, my thoughts are pretty standard on this issue. Not surprisingly, being an enormous geek and never having the self-esteem or the percieved "innate ability" to develop friendships with girls throughout my school years (a function of both the way I was treated by peers, and the way I acted in general -- not all of what people did to bully me was unjustified, as I was an annoying fucking prick), I pretty much went through the 19 years of my life completely oblivious to the actual behavioral patterns of females. Never having kissed, cuddled, held hands, dated, and of course never having sex, I developed elaborate notions and preconceptions about ideals and morals when dealing with relationships.
As a result, I get offended and downright angry when hearing of anyone between the ages of 12 and 20 even thinking of sexual encounters. This isn't really from a religious or moral perspective (even though I do consider myself more morally upright than these people due to my extreme chastity, and I am completely not religious in any way), but more because I'm pretty much extremely jealous of the fact that all a female has to do is step out of her house and she is chased after by males.
When reading a pamphlet I picked up on how to get a girl, it's got about ten to fifteen "tips" such as "Myth: being a nice guy won't get you anywhere" and "Bad Idea: letting her know how you feel too early on", with explanations and a paragraph for each one. All in all, it's pretty much telling me, the budding Casanova, that I should be going out of my way to try and give off an artificial vibe that most people aren't even born with.
Then looking at the section where it says "how to get a guy", I see that there is not a tip to be found. How will these poor girls ever learn how to get a boyfriend? Well, instead of seeing pointers and tips on courtship rituals, I see a fucking BOOK REVIEW COPY-PASTED FROM AMAZON.COM. And the book review isn't even about how to get a boyfriend -- it's about how to adapt to changes in your already existing relationship.
So they're saying that basically all girls have to do is get out of bed in the morning and they're all set with finding a boyfriend? That they don't even have to expend any effort? And meanwhile us guys are sitting here never even having had the chance to see a girl honestly laugh and smile from being happy at just being around, while the guys that go out and exude auras of masculinity are running around wooing every attractive female he sets eyes on? What is wrong with this picture?
These are the kinds of things that I think about whenever I think about relationships. Of course I don't want to have a relationship based upon sex or physical attraction -- for one I don't consider myself to be that perfect of a human male specimen, and therefore don't really think it's worth it to dress a certain way or wear a certain cologne or spend my time in certain places just for the sake of attracting mates. Another thing to consider is the fact that I don't exactly enjoy going out and partying or getting drunk with random people or any of that bullshit, so these tips are useless to me because they are aimed at the stereotypical "college culture" demographic.
The idea of having a relationship ultimately grounded on physical attraction is pretty sickening to me. Ideally, I would meet and be friends with a girl my age, with similar interests and as much relationship experience as I have had (namely, none), and whose close friendship based on a genuine regard for and true liking of each other basically developed out of human nature into something more intimate, sharing our first experiences together.
In saying these things, yes, I realize that they are sophomoric and very naive. However, I recognize that I am also incredibly naive, and have the social ability of maybe a 12-year-old. I'm shy, don't like myself much at all, don't have any real sense of responsibility (I spend all my time on the internet and spending my paychecks on buying anime and shit rather than study for classes, do homework, or pay college bills -- I know that it's hurting people who are pulling their weight and more to get me through college, and here I am taking all that effort they're investing in me and throwing it in the toilet), and will probably end up alone and relatively friendless for the rest of my life, if I don't just get sick of breathing and kill myself. I don't enjoy being here much, there's nothing that I want to accomplish, nothing I'm working toward, I'm sitting here using up substance and not providing anything in return.
On top of that, I have the internal opinion that any girl who has had more than one sexual relationship in the space of two years before the age of 20 is a fucking dirty, disgusting, filthy whore -- regardless of the circumstances of these relationships. Girls who lose their virginity before reaching 20 or so are also seen as sluts, and anyone with piercings or tattoos or who listens to popular music or who uses chat abbreiations or who goes out to drink or party or involves themselves in any way with a fraternity or a sorority or anything like that... those people are morons and I feel disgusted even speaking with them.
As you can tell, these attitudes and biases and thought processes are not very normal. In fact, I became quite depressed that at the age of 18, the last girl I ever knew who was a virgin lost it to some fucking prick who wooed her, had sex with her (from what I heard, not in the most compassionate way -- he basically just went at it), and dumped her within the space of two months. Whether this was out of compassion, feeling for what she'd lost by this, or whether I was actually just fucking jealous that every single person that I knew had had at least ONE sexual encounter, I have no idea and am scared to find out the answer.
It is thus that I come to the way I feel. Yes, I am sexually attracted to girls my age. I am NOT attracted to what 99.9999% of all girls my age ARE. In fact, I don't even want to associate myself with them. Even if I were to not completely loathe every one of the girls who were like that, they would soon find that I was completely unskilled in even how to talk to them, or where to go, or what to do, or anything like that, and they would move on to find someone who was able to roll with it where I was basically wanting her to teach me how to behave when dating or whatever, since I obviously don't have the innate ability to do so.
And even if you're not born with the ability to interface well with other people, (though some are better predisposed to it than others are), you still have to learn these things through social contact. I was never able to experience the greater amount of the social aspect of the years between being 11 in 7th grade and 15 in 11th grade. I just never got it. Thus the only way I can ever get it, to catch up to the years that I missed, (since I'm obviously not ready for social interaction at the adult level at this point in time), is to go back and immerse myself in groups of people with my social age. Unfortunately I'm 19 and the people with my social age are all 14 or 15.
And here I come to my dilemma. Since girls my own age are both completely out of my league or interest (and none of them would ever EVER consider me as a potential boyfriend), and I actually have more people in the 14-16 age bracket who like me than in my own age bracket, I have found that girls in that age are generally sweeter, more understanding of my situation, usually at my level in terms of their experience with the opposite sex, and don't have the problem where they feel they have to go out and drink and fuck random people every night.
Of course, even at the most optimistic of estimates, I am on speaking terms with two girls total, one of whom I haven't talked to in nearly a year and who I've heard is entering a relationship at this time, and the other is pretty much someone who I've found myself getting attracted to out of sheer necessity; even though everything about her sets off alarms. She subscribes to the gothic "subculture", listens to that fucking horrible "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH" music, has cut herself, has many friends in the age group of 18-25, and considers school to be a place where she is oppressed by teachers who dislike her and students who shun her. Once, in November, we made plans to hang out (I'd like to mention at this time that this isn't some random girl I met in the Junior High playground. She has been good friends with my younger brother since they were both in 3rd grade, so we've known each other, though it's only recently that we've actually TALKED.) for a few days. Being the fucking pussy that I am, I was unable to call her house myself, having to ask my brother to do it for me; when we did meet up, I found myself starting to think about her in ways that I really didn't want to think about her (wanting to hug her every ten seconds, playfully poking her every once in a while, things like that) that I realized were my feeble attempts at subconsciously trying to flirt with this girl who was five years younger than me and a freshman in High School. I talk to her online fairly often, she says that she wants to spend more time with me (even if I say it first a lot of the time), and I've recognized that if I don't keep myself in check I might end up acting in a way that could get me into trouble -- trying to kiss her, urging her to cuddle, trying to hold her hand or something.
I have been worried for some time because I have thought of her sexually a few times, even though I don't think I would ever touch her (she's not stupid and told me that she knew all along how I was feeling and acting... she has been in relationships before so I realize that this is not who I want to set my attention to for a possible first girlfriend -- age barrier not withstanding)... I have therefore just started speaking to her less and less in an effort to wean myself from the only real female contact I have had for nearly a year.
So basically, this is where I stand. I've pretty much been forced into a situation where my only options for a relationship lie in girls who according to the law and the values of society are jailbait. Not only that-- but sexually, it's not the breasts, or the vagina, or other secondary or primary sexual characteristics that give me the most intense sexual stimulation: I have a foot fetish. Thus it's technically possible (and there have been instances in my life where this has happened) that sexually I am attracted to girls of any age, barring of course the obviously disgusting seven year olds. For Christ's sake, when I was 15 my brother's friend, a 10-year-old girl, slept over at the house a few times, and every time she was over I licked her feet while she was sleeping. Of course I also did it to my cousin who was the same age as me, at around the same point in time (said cousin three years later then got fucking pregnant and now lives in the fucking ghetto doing drugs -- the mother's side of the family is full of trash and losers, you British folk call them chavs I guess), and a few times while at friends' houses I have satisfied myself sexually with the feet of their sisters.
So basically I have the potential to be aroused by the feet of a twelve-year-old at this point right now, and if I had the chance I would probably act on it; wouldn't touch her sexually, that doesn't interest me much, if I did anything I'd probably ogle her feet and maybe touch them if she'd let me.
So now you get the idea of just how fucked up I am.
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Anonymous2005-04-13 12:58
If ands and they should be shot. wow this is relly going sumwhere hu.
all i read was:
>>I'm sure that I would have paid much more attention to your arguments had you presented them in proper English.
>>So now you get the idea of just how fucked up I am.
EMO
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Anonymous2005-04-15 8:15
Dude eaither wait or date older women you fucking sick pervert.
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Anonymous2005-04-15 10:58
Nobody's life is perfect. Quit bitching.
You are not morally upright. There is no such thing as being morally upright, as morals are completely subjective.
Stop concerning yourself with the lives of others, unless you are going to actually help them.
Stop expecting things to be given to you and start taking.
Accept yourself. Understand that mainstream society will reject you for what you are, so you must accept youself. Understand that as long as you hurt no one, no one can decry you as evil.
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Anonymous2005-04-15 12:38
>>120
>>Understand that as long as you hurt no one, no one can decry you as evil.
as much as I like what you are saying, that is most definitely not a true statement.
ples to be givink Achmed ur name & address so he may blows you up teh good.
Congratulations, thanks solely to how utterly PATHETIC you are, I'm disassociating myself with peds forever. From now on I'm an Athiestic Catholic Bishop. That'll be the new wink-nudge codeword for the intellectual folks with megalomaniacal drive and ambition. gb2Bosnia emo whore. Ugh, and a foot fetishist too. You sicken the 'net with your sad sack self, dweebenheimer.
as anyone who ever tried to find a good fansub channel would know finding a good network/channel is 99% of the challenge to pulling anything off of irc. One has to question your motives, if not at a concious then at a subconcious level, for including an actual network with your post.
>>111
I can understand what you are going at but I really can't understand why you are saying "because there is no other girl my age who I can be closer with, I should go after younger girls who I seem to click better with".
I think having a sexual attraction of teenage girls is normal. I myself once had when I was a teenager myself. Younger than 12 then it goes all weird and that I cant understand why ppl like those that young. Anyways its ok but when you start oggling and raping them thats still wrong.
Anyways back to >>111, you are on the right track to say that you just look for interest and liking in a girl. Just need to be patient. And it really doesnt matter if you are geeky or socially inept. Like >>120 said just accept who you are and go on being who you are. I have a friend who was the geekiest guy ever (Roleplay nerd) and one who no girl would not think of going after. When he started college, not only did a girl went after him, she went aggressively went after him. And she and him are quite a happy couple. That was because he never really went into the "I am geek, I will never have a social life". He just accepted who he was and went on with life. I myself am stil no gf and thats cos I have been stuck with this stupid mainstream crap and not accepting who I am really.
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Anonymous2005-04-17 20:30
Uh edit in >>125
I think having a sexual attraction of teenage girls is normal. I myself once had when I was a teenager myself and still "abit" attracted to them (I find them too flat now). Younger than 12 then it goes all weird and that I cant understand why ppl like those that young. Anyways its ok but when you start oggling and raping them thats still wrong.
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Anonymous2005-04-19 8:49
what is going on in this thread
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Anonymous2005-04-19 16:06
Pedophiles Anonymous
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Anon2005-04-21 15:29
did he rape their feet? LOL
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AnonymousFrom!ZORPCu4TgQ2005-04-21 15:55
125 understands a bit. Sometimes, the old European ways are the best ways for some of us either do not or prefer not to move on. (note I did not say cannot as I believe this is both inborn and choice together. Little bit in one making you susceptible to the other.) Like, arranged marriages were always between pretty, or at the very least average girls. Only people that ran away from that had hotter servant girls on the side. Why could they not have the best of both worlds? Screw the church, do as I did in Medieval and TAKE IT OVER if it annoys you so much. Hahaha! Loli harems for all the princes of the world!
Considering there's only like 5% of us or so who actively pursue such a thing, why can't some of you greedy selfish bastards make the necessary sacrifice? Why must you instead make with the hatred, which never solves anything, only drives it underground and makes it far more dangerous! Such confusion I am in over this sort of thing. It is like the law that gives longer sentences for statuatory than MURDER. Not that I would follow that, but many more desperate/violent ones do. To me they are like budding roses. You only clip the thorns of a lily white rose, you do not clip its stem. Only a sickly greedy man does such things, and he has many more problems in his head then, believe me. To those types, this is not a preference. It is purely a power trip, and those kinds of people are simply bad pears all around. Taking them by force bears the same fruit I believe, and shows a lack of caring or willpower.
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NJ2005-04-21 16:28
Seems like you made yourself the way you are. Society helped a bit, but you are in control of your life... even if you have low self-esteem. Understand that you are sexually frustrated and cannot see your complete selfish, self-centered life. Liking other people�s feet for your own enjoyment while they�re asleep? Thinking about women (girls) as sexual object is your most horrible problem. It is true that our society teaches women (girls) to use their bodies to get what they want. This is a sad reality, but women (girls) exist out there that do not have this ingrained into their being� they are the ones who are younger and innocent usually. If that isn�t bad enough, males in our society are taught to hold doors open for the weaker sex. Parade them around like some icon and in doing so we win their affection, like it is some ultimate prize or something. I�ve talked with many other people who have grown into �feet� fetishes and �pedo� fetishes, and each of these people have a deep seeded lust that does not include the object of their lust in any way other than being present. They are people who act for only their enjoyment and lust. This is wrong if put to the �law of universal actions�. If everyone acted in his or her own interest all the time, then the world would be filled with people that are animals, not human. They would fight over everything, they would never consider other�s feelings, and they are in every sense evil. It�s sad, but as a society we have to push holidays and rituals on people in order to curve the selfishness. Christmas, in most western cultures is the only time people would think to give a present to someone without the idea of getting anything in return, but that is not totally true. I see it all the time, people who give presents, expect presents in return, even though they usually get something they would never buy for themselves. Birthdays are similar in most western cultures, but some people actually give other�s presents on their birthday to say, �thank you for being a part of my life�. To rap things up, these �popular� selfish labels people attach like �homosexual�, �pedophile�, and even �player� are really just one action in a person�s life. People are more than one action; they are more than a label, although most are happy to be labeled. If everyone were a Pedophile all the time, then we wouldn�t have women over the age of 18 having sex at all. That is a sad thought, because it is an enjoyable act that brings two people close together and pleasures both. If everyone were a homosexual all the time, then we would die as a race. Yes we need people to not be homosexual in order to have children. If everyone were only concerned with pleasuring himself or herself, then we would be a society of evil selfish, self-centered people who do not care at all about anything in this world other than themselves. This would mean, no serious doctors, no serious scientists, no good doers, no laws created for a good reason, no inventions to help society (people now make new drugs only because they want to corner the market� they don�t want to actually cure anything).
If you are a person that believes they can do whatever they want, understand that your actions then need to be justified by making anyone do whatever they want, as long as you are okay with doing it yourself. So, if in the future you have children and you let them sleep over at a friends house would you be okay with some older male or female licking their feet and getting sexual enjoyment from this act? Remember, they are doing this to your child without your child�s knowledge of it, or yours. If you think this is okay, understand that others do not want this act done to their children. Why? Any number of reasons, that include; �They do not want the freedom of their child to be violated.� If a child is sleeping they are not in a position to give any type of consent. What�s worse, children aren�t really smart enough to give any type of consent� but then again, I know many adults that are not smart enough to give consent. Everything you do to a person is a part of them; every action you do around others is a reflection of their experiences and yours. Do people have the right to treat others as means only to their ends?
Well, that�s enough of the philosophy of MJ.
PS: "Pedophilia: nature or nurture?" (sexual attraction = nature)
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NJ2005-04-21 16:32
This message (131/132) was suppose to be attached to >>111
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Anonymous2005-04-23 22:44
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
Sound the trumpets and prepare for a glorious charge, who shall reach the goal first? A random straggler like me? A lolikon? A puritanical nitwit that can't keep his cock out of other people's bedrooms? A closet-case mixup of the above?
...Nah actually I hope a mod hits it and threadstops at the exact same time, that'd be proper pwnage on all you fuckheads.
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Anonymous2005-05-18 13:02
stfu
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Anonymous2005-05-19 1:57
hope a mod hits it and threadstops at the exact same time
You're an idiot because after >>1000get the thread automatically stops, it's been like that since 2ch first started in 1999
kids like sex too
we should just have the kids have sex with eachother while pedos watch & fap, that way we have no abuse or whatnot going on two birds with one stone m i rite
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Anonymous2005-06-04 16:19
any argument for letting kids have sex with each other but not letting adults have sex with kids is what causes pedophilia
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Anonymous2005-06-04 16:22
i expect kids tobe inserted with gigantic dick which kids doesnt have.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 8:39
zOMG KIDS ARE HAWT!
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Anonymous2005-06-13 8:42
Copy of B/ discussion
-people with lolita fetish are not HUMAN!
-Yotsuba's so fucking cute and sweet. ... some additional lovemaking, I'd stuff her in a bin bag. Three Weeks later, some playing children will find her mutilated and desecrated body in the forest. They will be scarred for life.
-What's the matter pussies, can't take the heat? Damn lolis, how can people be so sick right? Lolicon, pedophilia, all just too closely related to think about...too much for you is it? Aw poor guys.
-Lol you need to die. Enjoy your grave, fucking pervert.
-labelling someone a pervert?
what an intolerant society here, you can't accept another person's sexual preferences just because you yourself chose not to practice them?
-well at some point intolerance comes into play. its not like people are gonna cheer for rape
-this is /b/. there is irony in calling people on /b/ perverts.
-it just happens that the particular fetish in question (differing from mere drawings) usually involves someone who is unable to give consent, and therefore cannot be validated on the same plane as most fetishes or paraphilia.
-Alright, well, I rest pretty easily in the fact that like me, you'll have to die. At least I can take some kind of joy in that fact. People like you don't really deserve to live, as you take sexual pleasure from things which aren't meant to be sexually gratifying. Oh, but I don't question anything because I think it's wrong to lust over another sentient being who isn't properly developed enough to make responsible decisions.
-please die child rapists.
you are sick - that's all.
-You're just taking what you think is correct for granted, I'm not talking only about lolicon. And I may die, but the lolicon never will~ in any case, stfu <3
-omg liberal media feeds us "truth" that pedophilia is a psychological illness lawl
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Anonymous2005-06-13 8:44
Copy of B/ discussion part 4
-Actually read that again, I was criticizing him for having to lash out at people who think morals are correct...
-okay, so...
I would fuck a little girl. Maybe she won't like it, maybe she'll resist or scream or even die, you know what? I won't care, as long as I'm satisfied. You people can curse and bitch and go all "omg u r sick", but I won't care. Cause everything that matters to ME is my OWN happyness, something which is -gasp- only natural for any normal human being, you acting up and feeling so good about yourselves only proving it!
PS, no I would not really fuck a little girl (as it happens not to be what makes ME happy, which is pure coincidence), but you see my point don't you? Talking about what is right and what is wrong seems pretty pointless, you know?
-you should be shot.
-"Talking about what is right and what is wrong seems pretty pointless, you know?" You fail at philosophy
-Although once somewhat more lenient in regards to ages concerning maturity, modern western judo-christian standards are much more stringent practitioners not in North America/Europe let alone other religions/societies.
And although sexual activity was not promoted back then, the individuals in question were capable of making such decisions at an age that now, would probably be considered by many far too young for them to make any kind of reasonable decision.
If you're going to argue against manipulation and exploitation of non-consenting and trully ignorant children, go for it. If you're going to make blanket statements and use sensasionalist terms (rape this and that) to try and create illusions of absolutes as justification for more extreme measures to be taken...
well nevermind this is the internet. I'll just end by calling into question your character/honesty, comparing you to hitler, and going LOL INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!
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Anonymous2005-06-13 8:45
Copy of b discussion part 5
-This kind of hedonistic attitude is what starts wars anyhow. Like it's been said, when you hold no regard for others, they will hold no regard for you. By your own logic you deserve to die, many times, as there are people who are eager to kill you for your "happiness".
-yes, yes, that's exactly the kind of reaction I love to see from guro/lolicon/etc! Please do it again
-You're some fat fuck who masturbates to childpron.
You are not cool, rebelious, cynical or something else.
You are just fucking misserable.
-Maybe we should just lock up all selfish bastards willing to screw other humans over for their own pleasure (not survival) whethere it's sadistic murder or rape or deliberately making someone starve so you can wear more bling.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 8:48
Copy of B discussion part 2 (yes the board ate it)
-Lol it's /b/, it doesn't matter what the fuck you say here, eat shit and die. Either way, yeah you're cool for being "rebellious". It's pretty easy to use logic to come up with something like it's wrong to enforce your will over something like children and violate them. And most other fetishes are simple psychological disturbances as sex is an act for reproduction, so therefore it makes no sense to use it for anything else. Nice try defending perverts though. :)
-Taking sexual pleasure from things that aren't meant to be sexually gratifying? Die for lusting over something that doesn't want it or is incapable of understanding the extent of your feelings?
Well ir, unless you've only jacked off to your one and only spouse, after she told you trhat she was well aware of your feelings (which anyone can SAY) then you're probably guilty of it to.
Child rape is sick. Lolicon is... unsettling. Any kind of fetishe and lust after non-consenting stuff in general? Very few males on the planet who aren't guilty of that, and the vast majority are perfectly healthy, sane, functional individuals relatively speaking.
-Little girls make my penis hard and you guys can bitch and whine about it or whatever, I won't care. How did you get to /b/ anyway? hahaha
-When your sexual pref. not only always involves rape but is a crime against nature (even animals don't fuck the undevelopped young) then you ARE a criminal & a pervert. Your sexuality is utterly SELFISH, there can be no pleasure or consent from your partner. The only way for you to have sex is to emotionally and physically torture another human. Put it how you like: it's the truth. Many are willing to admit it.
There are no two ways about it:
No consent or understanding of sex=rape
Undevelopped body=physical harm
Prepubescent=no desire=emotional harm
Looking at real c/p=supporting a rapist
Looking at or creating drawn c/p=spreading false ideas that kids enjoy it.
Tho not all lolikon turn into pedos you can't ignore the tiny % who will turn to real porn or kids.
If you really love kids (more than your dick) you will understand the will to get rid of c/p and may think of castrating yourself (as many have done before) in order to never hurt a child.
-"Prepubescent=no desire=emotional harm"
you should see some of the loli stories they have in jp adult magazines. some of those lolis are like YES GIVE ME DA COCK NOW and the teacher/older brother/etc is like "uhh okay" and the loli is like YAY
-whatever, posting some more loli to piss you off
-If you can get idiots to belive that aliens are among us with a few films books and comics then you can be sure there are lolikon out there who think that their next door neighbours daughter is actually begging for sex when she comes round to ask for butter.
-"even animals don't fuck the undevelopped young"
If you mean less than sexual maturity then you're wrong. Many animals can and will sex with stuff even if it's a different species or not of sexual maturity. This is especially true of more intelligent animals like apes and whales, who will have sex for reasons other than procreation.
Not all guys with little girls are rapists. Yeah, there are some younger females who have a sexual relationship with an older male and actually grow up not crazy/damaged/blah blah. Not enough to say everyone go nuts, but you should cut out the sensationalism.
Does lolicon in anime in general support child rapists? Does guro hentai support necrophilia or murder rapists? Does x porn support x rapists? Juries still kidn of out on that one.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 8:49
Copy of B discussion part 3 (yes the board ate it)
-Well, people are gonna believe whatever shit they want to, in the end. So those with similar morals might as well get together and just wipe out the anomalies, like the loli and guro fetishists already. No jail or anything, just a quick dispatch. Clean up the gene pool and make the species a little more orderly.
-And you can get idiots to believe that there's no such thing as a sexually interested or active pre-teen.
-If someone's gonna rape a kid, he's not gonna wait to read it in a manga first. Shouldn't blame these in my opinion, could actually have the opposite effect of what you say as statistics seem to support (not that statistics are accurate, but in any case).
-They'd come back. You can never elimnate "anamolies". Just be careful of who you put in charge or they might come killing anyone who engages in oral sex, handjobs, mutual masturbations, or likes sex for reasons other than procreation- citing it as "unnatural".
-Why must you fuckers think that sexually active means emotionally capable? Fucking teenagers for the most part aren't even emotionally capable for sex. They end up having it and then they get fucked up over it.
-child porn involves rape yes it should be banned as should any form of "glorified rape" (thats when the woman is shown to be enjoying it) because it encourages anti-social sexuality. rape is not the same as glorified rape, murder is not the same as glorified murder. Books that teach people to kill are illegal (the terrorist handbook with poison and explosive formulas) why not books that make rape seem like a nice thing!
If we can jail a politician for inciting a lynching (you don't have to follow his orders but some will!) then we should be able to jail a lolikon artist for inciting a rape in the minority of people who don't ever understand another way of having sex.
-Yeah everyone pretty much needs to die, but sometimes I get to thinking that maybe humans can create an equilibrium where there isn't much violence/instability, and that involves removing people who would think about having sex with children among others.
-and why exactly does child porn have to be rape?
-prepubescent not preteen dumbass
I was 10 and a half when I first had my period and started thing about sex...sure I wasn't ready for any sexual activity before 16 at least.
gah after all, does it matter how old the kid is? What counts most is consent or lack thereof.
-Because it's sex with an unconesnting individual you jackass. The fact of the matter is nobody wants to teach their children about sex, so they aren't informed. You don't like that? Well too bad, cuz the majority of people don't like you, and all it boils down to in the end is the will of the majority, so keep whining.
-Avergae loss of virginity is age 17. That means a good percentage lose it before and after that age. Teenagers are in general less emtionally mature than adults sure, but not every person below the age of your choosing is totally ignorant about their bodies, desires, and feelings, and not everyone above that age are perfectly aware of theirs.
Physical and emotional sexual maturity, if most of human society over the past couple thousand years is any indication- occurs between ages 14 and 18.
Again, I'm not saying that everyone should go out and start having sex as soon as they turn X years old, but that the age at which a person can engage in a healthy sexual relationships with no ill effects is generally younger than western judo-christian culture generally gives them credit for.
But very few (not even full grown women) appreciate the sexual advances of some random 30+ year old unattractive male stranger.
-True. Many child abuse victims don't understand what happened to them and think it is either natural to be hurt by adults or that they did something bad to deserve it.
Kids need to be taught what sex is, who is it for, how it works and how to recognize someone who is touching you where he/she is not allowed to. Children need to know that they can say 'no' if they don't want to be touched/have sex...and that anything that happen to them is not their fault.
-What I love about lolicon, guro, pedophilia, rape, is not whether it's arousing or not as much as the fact that it holds nothing sacred. I see it as a nice big FUCK YOU to all the fags who whine and bitch about anything they've been taught is wrong existing.
-It actually has little to do with judeo-christian culture, as judeo-christians used to get married at younger ages in the past as well. It has more to do with advancing society and the things you need to learn to be able to survive in the world and raise a family, which take many more years to cultivate; and before you're physically, emotionally and possibly financially capable for raising a family, sexual activity is not usually promoted. It is tolerated, but ideally since sex is a reproductive act it is encouraged to be held off until such a time.
-Oh, and also, fuck you for not being content to just live your own stupid life and having to retaliate at the people who believe they should hold morals, fuckwad hypocrite.
-so if somedbody comes over and cracks your skull open with a stone, since morals are "Lo2l"O!11 FOR FUCK LAMoRRzrZZR"!!!!" that's fine too?
Morals are the little thing that differs a human from an ape.
But fucking child molester scumm like you, who tries to act tough on the internet, probably is not willing to understand that.
-I'm all for freedom of speech but by definition "my freedom stops where yours starts". The rights to be a pedophile/rapist stop when they infringe on the right of a child/person to choose to have sex and live life unharmed.
I and many others here are fine with most deviancies: BDSM, coprophilia, age-difference etc as long as both (or more) parties are consenting.
A person who says no or a child who doesn't understand sex or want it is not a consenting partner.
As for animals, I really don't know.
Anyhow what counts is that many hentai guro and lolikon/shotacon depict rape as opposed to the fetishist stuff in which tops and bottoms come together in agreement to have sex in their own albeit strange ways.
It's not about natural/unnatural or religion: it's about consent and only about consent.
Making a non consensual act seem good or enjoyable to the victim is ...i hate to use the word... well wrong.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 8:49
A pedo discussion without pedo bear?
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Anonymous2005-06-13 9:31
Vocabulary Note:
Person who has desires for prepubescent children = Pedophile
Person who acts upon and feeds those desires by watching child porn drawn or real, by stalking, by touching or molesting a child (includes incest) = Pedosexual
Child = human before puberty
Consent = agreement to partcipate and understanding of what they are consenting to.
There are cases of Pedophiles not wanting to harm any children and castrating themselves to get rid of their pedosexual desires.
The only differences between real child porn and lolikon (drawn child porn) are the fact that the former requires a real rape to happen and the latter can depict the child enjoying it.
I personally think that lolikon can lead on to child porn by feeding the unsatisfied pedosexual lusts... and as soon as child porn enters the equation then ethics immediately says it is 'wrong' because a child was tortured for a pedo to fap.
Can lolikon be defined as an incitement to rape by glorifying it? Should it be made illegal on the same level as child porn?
Technically someone looking at CP has done no harm as they did not hurt the child themselves... rather they supported the molester by viewing his acts and support an industry that does produce a small percentage of real life molesters. Can't this be said of lolikon too?
A few questions to the pedos who confirmed their sexual preference/deviancy on this board:
Would you ever hurt a child? Or would you rather be castrated than hurt a kid?
At what point (if ever) did you first recognise that pedophilia was rape?
Do you know of lolikons who moved on to real porn or pedophile roleplay (see projectmegan.com)?
Would you accept a law prohibiting lolikon media if it was proven that it would reduce the number of active pedosexuals?
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Anonymous2005-06-13 9:56
blah. blah. whine. whine. moan. moan.
fact is i read a story a few months ago about an 8 year old in afrika who didnt have sex, but jsut GAVE BIRTH, meanign was probobly fertile around age 7. MEANING that yes, humans indeed would have a natural instinctive atraction to children, they CAN be fertile, and god damnit, sexually attractive or not some little girls jsut make you wanna go "aawwwww" and that adorableness can be translated into hotness in some.
personally i dont see a point in fucking something that doesnt release the "red tide" every now and then, but if that tide releaser is 12 and consents, theres absolutley no issue in MY mind.
im against rape. aside from that, go for it. if the person says "no" stop. if not, but they look like they wanna, stop. if not, enjoy.
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Anonymous2005-06-14 20:43
I don't understand why people make political shit out of nature VS. nuture with sexuality. They've proven that it can be inborn, with pedophilia and homos, but it being inborn has nothing to do with weather it's moral or not. (gay penguins, gay dolphins, lesbian seagulls, look it up)
Infanticide is rampant among animals, and that's natural. So why don't we kill our seven year olds and say "oh, it's natural, I'm just an infaticidist (or whatever). You going to stomp on MY rights? I CAN'T HELP IT!"
However, homosexuality is a completely victimless action. It's not our right to decide what someone does with their dick or ass (Or mouth, or eyesockets, or whatever your imagination can cook up). But a 12 year old doesn't have the maturity to make that kind of decision. So it's almost always rape, even if they "want" it. Kids at that age sniff paint.
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Anonymous2005-06-17 23:32
>>172
Who are you to decide that a 12 year old doesn't have the maturity?
Also that gay penguin crap is bullshit. Those penguins are not gay. They just want to fuck something. When there were not female penguins around they went for the male ones.
>>174
The point is that when there are female penguins around, they would not fuck the male ones. It is just release; not penguin male-to-female attraction thingy.
I'm pedophile and wouldn't want to be any other way. I've never touched a child inappropriately, and I have no problem controlling myself. But little girls are just the most desirable things in this world to me. Just having some around me makes me all happy ^____________________________^
truth is your not pedophiles, its just that grown females reject you, i thought i was a pedophile, but then i just kept asking girls out even really fat and ugly ones, and one finly said yes, and then i never jerksed it to childporn again.
>>185
ok, this guy is pathetic...
but no, i do not think one can blame pedoism on the fact that the said individual is a "loser." There are many people who choose not to conform to society's standards because they have different tastes or feelings. Would you say that gays are fucking gay because no girls accept them?
it's a matter of breast size... i find large breasts disgusting because it suggests moocows who happen to be barefoot and chained to your kitchen.
Being attracted to prepubescent children is just as bad as homosexuality from a Darwinian PoV, postpubescent/pubescent children is mostly cultural since they can get pregnant or get you pregnant.
In medieval Europe, with 35 year Life Expectancy, as soon as you became pubescent you went looking for pussy or cocks, so you could start a family unit before you die of plague.
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Anonymous2005-07-09 10:03
Being attracted to prepubescent children is just as bad as homosexuality from a Darwinian PoV
Not really, because they grow up; unless you mean *only* attracted to prepubescents.
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Anonymous2005-07-09 16:25
Uh... 8 year olds can get pregnant...
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Anonymous22005-07-10 6:12
Guiness World Records says...!DAMN!
5 years old
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dodo!n5MqDfnCv.2005-07-10 7:23 (sage)
>>195
wow you must be from some sort of farm house with lots of animals.
>>dodo
I haite you sir, with all the wretchedness in my heart. I hope your internet falls on your balls and crushes them in all their entirety
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Anonymous22005-07-10 7:50 (sage)
disregard that, I suck COCKS.
get a trip code dumbo n00b.
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dodo!n5MqDfnCv.2005-07-10 7:55 (sage)
>>203
anonymous2 insulting himself???? does he have some sort of split personality? >>202
wow why is he hating someone for no reason? are you the boy from the farm house n00b?
>>172
You don't want to know how developed I was at 12, then. Goddamn moralistic society, my geography teacher was HOT dammit. Let me at that persimmon toned Syrian! Oh and I had protection too, nyaaaah.
70% of the 12 year olds I know are more mature than their faggoty moralistic parents as well, just like I was when I was a li'l scamp. The other 30% eat their boogers still so they don't count. ;Þ
>>198
Freak of nature. Ballpark is more 8-10. I'm sure that chick would've been a big hit in medieval times though. "There can be no one who denies your virility sire, as evidenced by the birth of your 38th heir!"
>>211
Because he's a thieving dope addict. All people older than 30 are. DON'T TRUST ANYONE OVER 30! ...lawl, remember when the hippies said that? Haha...and then they became even more dictatorial than their 'conservative' parents, who must not have been that much as they actually understood the value of personal freedoms, and the decision-making capabilities of their own offspring.
>>172
You don't want to know how developed I was at 12, then. Goddamn moralistic society, my geography teacher was HOT dammit. Let me at that persimmon toned Syrian! Oh and I had protection too, nyaaaah.
70% of the 12 year olds I know are more mature than their faggoty moralistic parents as well, just like I was when I was a li'l scamp. The other 30% eat their boogers still so they don't count. ;Þ
>>198
Freak of nature. Ballpark is more 8-10. I'm sure that chick would've been a big hit in medieval times though. "There can be no one who denies your virility sire, as evidenced by the birth of your 38th heir!"
>>211
Because he's a thieving dope addict. All people older than 30 are. DON'T TRUST ANYONE OVER 30! ...lawl, remember when the hippies said that? Haha...and then they became even more dictatorial than their 'conservative' parents, who must not have been that much as they actually understood the value of personal freedoms, and the decision-making capabilities of their own offspring.
I wonder how many studies have actually been done on consensual sex with recently pubescent people? I.E. 12-13-14 age range. Everyone says that sex at that age screws them up... but I think sex at any age range can be harmful. Maybe if it wasn't such a total taboo thing to talk or even think about, humans could start having sexual experiences when they were ready for it, and refusing them when they're not.
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Anonymous2005-07-16 3:47
>>215
SHITTY EXCUSE FOR PEDOPHILIA ALERT!
I actually agree, but I think that sex should be restricted to being between members of approximately the same age (no more than four years)
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Anonymous2005-07-16 6:17 (sage)
>>15
Can I hit you up for some channels on dal.net?
I'm a pedo.
I like girls aged 13-16.
They're cute.
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Anonymous2005-07-16 15:26
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Anonymous2005-07-17 0:22
Are there many people who are exclusively pedo?
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Anonymous2005-07-17 2:33
>>216
More like +-15%. I knew a couple that was 55 and 65. What's wrong with that?
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Anonymous2005-07-17 5:48
I mean in younger ages... Come to think of it, a percent should be OK. And over say, 25, there should be no restriction.
you guys are sadistic pedorific fucks. if you think little girls are better than women. there's a reason why kids grow up. please understand that. no way in hell is a 12 year old or even a 15 year old justifiably considered "mature" enough to make a decision to have sex. mostly always they look back and regret it. if you think otherwise then you are ignorant or can't use ur brain.
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Anonymous2005-07-18 9:10
>>224
Welcome to post-modernist loserville, population, "u." Fagtard.
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Anonymous2005-07-18 19:51
Supposedly, sex is mainly recreation and then procreation. So, if I can convince myself that children enjoy sex, then I will have no guilt as a pedophile.
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Anonymous2005-07-19 16:36
I hate to say this (I think that an adult having sex with a young child is always manipulative and abusive), but it is pretty well known that children are capable of achieving orgasm (though perhaps not as likely to as an adult)
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Anonymous2005-07-21 16:13
they can achiev because they are capable to.
and when they are capable to they are made to.
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Anonymous2005-07-25 18:57
hot do i rape loli
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Anonymous2005-07-26 14:49
what about a little boy having sex with a little girl?
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Anonymous2005-07-26 18:45
Same age sex is more appropriate. Like the two kids in Secret of Mana who want to get married. Generally people can accept a sixteen yr old having sex with a sixteen yr old, as opposed to a 38 yr old.
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Anonymous2005-07-27 0:02
Needs some Freud. Is it just me or have I only heard of male pedofiles. I've never heard of a female pedofile.
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Anonymous2005-07-27 9:32
That's because boys don't complain if they got lucky.
Umm, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
-No.
Well, suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?
-Nuh uh.
And, what if your family don't like bread? They like... lolis? Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime?
Hell, no!
Enjoy your AIDS.
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Anonymous2005-09-10 9:42
Rene Guyon Society
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
This group is named after a former judge who served on the Supreme Court of Thailand for 30 years. He was also the author of several books and papers dealing with human sexuality, including that of children. It was formed in 1962 by seven couples during a lecture on human sexuality. The Society has promoted its own summer camping program for daughters of its members. Their motto is "Sex by age eight, or it's too late." Members are connected by their mutual belief that sex with children is healthy and to be desired.
They push for the abolishment of laws prohibiting pedophilia. For example, they believe adults should be able to perform anal sex on children as young as four. They also say that children performing oral sex on adults will end thumb-sucking. They also believe that men should be able to have sex with girls as young as 10.
They have argued that if laws restricting child sexuality are not changed, there will be more kids working as prostitutes, contracting venereal diseases and committing suicide. State rape laws should be changed to allow parents and guardians to give their consent for their children to have sex. Newsletters have contained slogans such as "Children keep family sex secrets."
They believe in "child-child and child-adult bisexuality starting at age 4, 5 and 6 if protected with contraceptives." They maintain, however, that while they advocate legalizing sex with children, they "do not practice it . . . No one can come into our Society who has ever had sex with children".
>>14
It began with me liking thin women more that others, then it went downhill. I must say the craving has been there all the time, lying latent. I wouldn't touch a child in a sexual way, ever, though. >>27
What are you? Retard? Maybe it doesn't "make sense" from an evolutionary standpoint, but guess what? It can't be controlled.
This thread is too long. I don't want to read on.
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Anonymous2005-09-11 11:03
There are plenty of thin cherubim women who are 18 or older. You could find a 17 yr old and tell her to wait a year. You don' need a young girl just because it makes you feel like a porn star in size comparison.
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Anonymous2005-09-11 14:46 (sage)
If you must reply to this troll, please sage your reply.
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sage2005-09-11 21:44
sage
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Anonymous2005-09-11 21:46
>>245
Then what's the argument for minors that look like they're 27?
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Anonymous2005-09-12 5:56
>>248
Stop putting hormones in the water supply, you're ruining the loli.
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Anonymous2005-09-12 6:23
<Inst#cspell>
They say it's the fluorine. Oh, and lolis look best medium rare.
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Anonymous2005-09-12 6:50 (sage)
If anything says something about the collective intelligence of world4ch, this is it.
There actually are ex-pedophiles. Basically psychiatrists brainwash them into thinking they are not pedophiles.
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Anonymous2005-09-12 13:22
>>15
this is just a deception and a fallcy. all it is , is the 'slippery slope argument' so dont be afraid. There is no reason that repression will lead to curiosity, depending on the person (the person will react in a disgusted way or his whole body might react negatively towards pedo). Theres no reason that curiosity can just 'mutate' into desire. And if you are pedo it doesnt mean that you will collect or produce cp and openly distribute the images (that is a sure way to get caught).
I like to slaughter my giraffe to little girls that look like ewoks. I can't help it. My throepist, she said that it is up to me to get help and that she will try to help. I don't want help I like it but I know I need it. They are usually hairy black girls with crusty lips and snot coming out of their nose. Snot that has cruste up and glistens still. When I see one I get her stuck in my mind so badly that I go homw really quick and fuck my cock with my knees and punch myself into a casket God. This continues for hours on until I am blinded aka unconcious from the pleasure.
The only thing that can help is when they don't look like ewoks cause they are wearing doo-rags. that really helps changed everything. I then proceed to my car with my suit case of watermelons to feel them instead of c=jerking it to them.
I know I know I have serious problems but you would do it to if you worked in a chex mix factory for more than 10 of your adult years.
I love you Ewok.
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Anonymous2005-09-29 20:10
c=jerking
what the hell is that c= crap?
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Anonymous2005-10-01 1:33
>>17 >>18
omg, are you serious??? You really don't know??? Trust me, I'm sure that LOTS of men have fantasized about having sex with underage girls. I have. Whatever. I don't give a fuck. I don't feel guilty about it. I don't think it's inherently wrong to be horny for children, and I don't think it's some kind of sickness either. However, people who can't control their desires need help. Like I said, I've been aroused by children, but I don't touch them or anything.... just like I don't try to go for 99.9% of girls that I think are hot. I wouldn't rape a child, even if there was no chance of getting caught because I wouldn't rape anyone or hurt anyone like that. But if sexing up children was socially acceptable, and we lived in a world where having sex with children didn't have severe consequences for the child, then I'd have sex with them.
Child sex is illegal because there is too much potential for the child to be hurt. But BELIEVE ME, many many many men have at least a few times been horny for a child. If there were no laws, children would be fucked all the damn time. So, thoughts of sex with children are not rare at all,... but it is good that sex with children is illegal because too many children would get messed up otherwise.
Still, I contest that a man who occasionally has thoughts of having sex with children is completely normal.
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Anonymous2005-10-01 6:05
Thread is moot. (especially on a board formerly associated with lolicon)
Rape is rape. (quit trying to rationalize your need for something you can't have)
"The current study is the largest to date to employ pedophilic stimuli and genital measures with men drawn from a community sample of volunteers. The current results suggest that sexual arousal to pedophilic stimuli occurs among a sizable minority of normal men who report no pedophilic behavior and is not necessarily associated with pedophilic behavior. Consistent with previous data (Barbaree & Marshall, 1989; Briere & Runtz, 1989; Fedora et al., 1992; Freund & Watson, 1991), 20 % of the current subjects self-reported pedophilic interest and 26.25 % exhibited penile arousal to pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded arousal to adult stimuli."
Maybe there should be a Kinsey Scale for Pedo. Y'know, 0 for no interest whatsoever, 1-2 for sometimes having fantasies but no serious fixtation, and 6 if you use the Kids R Us catalogue as a faprag.
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Anonymous2005-10-02 16:38
>>267
I think this was said somewhere in the thread. ZOMG YOU JUST MANTLED >>25
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Anonymous2005-10-04 15:41
>>267
dumbass, that's too tame for 6. *I* do that and I'd rate myself as a 3. 6 is like, Marc Dutrox or whomever.
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Anonymous2005-10-05 15:21
What you need is like simultaneious major disasters occuring all at the same time period. A hurricane here. A terrorist bombing here. A great famine there. Another genocide occcuring over there.
Then you can really see how bias some medias can be.
Unfortunately all such things starting all at the same time might be highly unlikely?
Of all the terms related to pedophilia (e.g., pedophile, pedophiliac, pedophilia...), pedophilia is the oldest. Here is the oldest source cited by the Oxford English Dictionary:
1906 H. ELLIS Stud. Psychol. Sex V. i. 11 Paidophilia or the love of children..may be included under this head [sc. abnormality].
Source: OED.com
I don't know who H. Ellis is, but he's not Freud... and he appears to be defining pedophilia. Even if he didn't coin the term, at the time of usage, it is obviously new enough that even the technical audience that would have been reading his book wasn't aware of what it meant. If you flip through any psychology textbook published in the last couple of decades, I assure you that they assume you know what a pedophile is.
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Anonymous2005-10-09 10:48
I was thinking more in the lines of 'he gave children sexuality from the perspective of the general populace'. ie. normal people began to think that children were sexual creatures.
i know that in the Victorian era, children were thought to be asexual creatures. now everybody thinks of children as sexual; was it because of Freud? i don't read much psychology stuff, but i think he started those ideas in the psychology world and it became widespread.
when more of the populace is exposed to the idea of children as sexual, then more people will be pedophiles. this does relate to other sexual fetishes. i don't think the average furry or gay would have even thought about becoming that if there weren't already a group ready to spread those ideas.
>>274
H. Ellis may have invented the term pedophilia but did he think of children as sexual? Him calling it an abnormality does not count because it is still called that.
Pedophiles tend to have a very specific personality type. It's very good for women to have this certain personality type, but men with it become pedos. It's the mother-type personality, I forget it's designation in psychological terms.
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Anonymous2005-10-11 23:52
>>279
So wait, it's good for women to be nurturing and caring, but bad for men because it leads to them wanting to fuck kids?
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Anonymous2005-10-12 11:23
>>280
Basically. You may think they're caring and kind motherfuckers, even if it's to someone like, say, an old lady who there's no chance they'd be attacted to. But that nurturing personality type for some reason links them to pedophilia. I don't know how the wires cross that an attraction to that specific underdeveloped body form links to kindness, but it is a proven fact that it does. In fact, when they catch someone with kiddie porn on of the first things they do is check for that personality.
The designation (I finally remembered) is this, Submissive Extroverted Concrete-thinking Feeling-type (SECF). Upwards of 99% of pedos (excluding the sociopathic ones) have that designation. Read up on personality types if you're at all interested.
But one thing as well, is that not all of the people with that type-designation become pedos. They are still very kind and nurturing, and make good family men.
>>253
I know lot of ex-heteros who are gay currently. Opposite seems to be rare, but I have friend who turned from gay "pedo" into "normal" heterosexual. No therapists involved. Lots of more true to life examples came to mind too, but that doesn't mean it's right to change ones sexuality forcibly.
I have met lof of people who would somewhat fit into definition of a pedophile personally and many of my close friends have atleast some pedophilic interests and I can say that they aren't a bad sort. In fact I have never met a "pedo" who has a bad attitude towards others.
Twelve interesting things about let's say people "who like kids" I have met personally:
1. All of them I have met are geeks.
2. Every anime related club/irc-channel/forum here seems to have atleast one of those(in many occasions lot of more!)
3. Many of them I have met are very openminded and nice people rarely insulting anyone.
4. Majority of them I have met have atleast some interest in anime/manga and Japanese pop-culture in general.
5. Majority of them I have met are heterosexual.
6. Majority of them I have met happen to be white males with average age of 18.
7. Almost ALL females with such interest I know are heterosexual.
8. Majority of males with such interests I have met occasionally fap to lolicon.
9. Many of them I have met like both real and fictional children.
10. All of them I have met know that in real life having sex with child is wrong and they condemn child abuse.
11. Non of them I have met watch "child pornography" as it's defined by American and local(less strict) laws.
12. Almost all of the pedos I have met never call themselves pedos and might be even offended to be called one(what a surprise indeed!).
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Anonymous2005-10-14 3:27
In number 12, are you defining the word "pedo" as child-raping, candy hording, ice cream truck driving pedos or the kids who fap to lolicon?
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Anonymous2005-10-14 3:32
Because I knew a child-raping, candy hording, ice cream truck driving pedo, and he was a horrble creepy person, one who didn't even seem human. He had a continually disheveled appearance, and would talk for hours on end to you about inane stuff until you felt like saying "GO AWAY FUCKER!" He didn't have a bad attitude towards other people, he just didn't seem to really "get" them, seemed unable to read other people and that's why he turned out the way he did.
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Anonymous2005-10-14 3:34
There really needs to be some research into what makes a pedophile a pedophiel
This reminds me of one thing I learnt. Males tend to confuse kindness by females for sexual advances. So it does appear that kindness and sex in the male brain do mix.
That SECF type doesn't appear to be a valid personality type.
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Anonymous2005-10-14 4:24
>>285
Well that word kinda slipped there, but I meant those who like fictional or/and kids that way, but don't act it out illegally.
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Anonymous2005-10-14 4:26
I meant fictional or/and real kids. I should probably go get some sleep judging from what I write.
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Anonymous2005-10-15 5:58
>>284
Almost ALL the female ones are straight? FUCK. FOUNTAIN OF YOUTHGET RIGHT NOW!!!!
>>286
I'd say about half do that...those're like, wackojacko types. Never grew up for whatever reason. Bet he's also a momma's boy, or treats unknown adult women reaaaal nice, like they're his grandparents or something.
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Anonymous2005-10-15 6:37
If Jessica Alba has sex with a 14yr old boy, would ppl see it as exploitation of the boy?
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Anonymous2005-10-15 7:41
if it's wrong to jack it to Jenna on Teen Kids News then I don't want to ever be right. That's why I use only my left hand, lol.
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Anonymous2005-10-15 22:24
>>284
But that's not true. Some girls like little girls exclusively.
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Anonymous2005-10-16 4:44
>>292
Remember the teacher Mary Kay Laterno and her thirteen year old lover? Female pedos benefit from a Mrs Robinson effect.
>>296
That website is like, WOW, *sizzle*, fwwwweeeeeep
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Anonymous2005-10-16 12:14
>>294
Yup, that's true I even know someone like that, but overwhelming majority of "pedo" girls I've met are your average yaoi-fangirls that just love shota.
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Anonymous2005-10-24 1:05
The fact that this thread has so many posts is a testament to the true goals of 4channers around the world
It is both, people can be attracted to children, just as they can be attracted to foxes and fatties. It turns into an obsession and can converge with other feelings that people have for children like cuteness. Men are naturally attracted to post pubescant women aged between 16 and 35 and any other perversions are "nurtured" cross overs. Though there is a chance that a person may be more likely to be attracted to children or furries etc..
It is both, people can be attracted to children, just as they can be attracted to foxes and fatties. It turns into an obsession and can converge with other feelings that people have for children like cuteness. Men are naturally attracted to post pubescant women aged between 16 and 35 and any other perversions are "nurtured" cross overs. Though there is a chance that a person may be more likely to be attracted to children or furries etc..
>>242
Concerened mother finding this on their family comp's history list >>279
Women can be pedos too. It seems in this country women can like younger men or women and get away with it. Men can't. It's another problem engrained in our sociopolitical environment.
>>242
Concerned parent looking at history list. >>279
In our culture men are faulted, and women are glorified in these circumstances. Women can be pedos too. Men can't be nuturing without being suspect. :/
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Anonymous2005-10-28 16:40
wtf this idiot needs to stop ghosting my posts
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Anonymous2005-10-29 0:09
pedophilia doesnt happen when a man thinks a child-girl is cute or endearing. ITS WHEN HE WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH AN UNDERAGED CHILD.
i hope y'all realise that
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Anonymous2005-10-29 1:15
>>304 (I read the link you provided)
Even if it's possible, in some remote sense that a girl can form a relationship with a pedo that's anything other than damaging, (sort of like pedastery in Greece) why the fuck should it be allowed to happen? It didn't really do anything good for the kid in the longterm and actually had the possibility of psychologically damaging them.
There is no reason it should be anything other than absolutely taboo.
>>312
explain. i was only describing in more detail the type of waste.
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Anonymous2005-10-31 21:17
I have a theory about pedophilia....
Maybe the reason why pedos like girls at their most sexual prepubescent age, and the same with boys, is because in the past at some other step in the evolution of humanity, thoes ages were the normal sexual maturity ages, and these people are de-evolving remnants of that time period...
>>288
Not really. That's just the male being stupid, or wishful thinking.
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Anonymous2005-11-01 2:26 (sage)
How 'bout this: A man with the sexual and social experience/skill of a <12 year old will "naturally" be attracted to that age group, regardless of his own age. They prefer a partner where they can have a more equal/dominant edge over (in contrast to females their age, which on average have more experience, making him feel "less of a man.")
>>316
So what if I built a viking longboat?
SO WHAT IF I PREFER TO GET TO WORK THAT WAY?
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME A PEDO DAMMIT!
...the 12 year old with the iron war club steering it does. >>320
Yeah but.....how does that account for all the ones that are MARRIED? With KIDS?
Doof.
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Anonymous2005-11-02 16:48
the crappy thing about being a pedo is that they always grow up
Is it really that surprising given how many fetishes there are? I mean some people like em old, why not young? Not to mention young is disirable in girls in most people to begin with (just not that young).
I think we should take note that all primate males, during puberty attempt to intercourse with just about ANY female, wether rape or consensual. I don't think pedophilia is even the point here, I think when it comes down to it, people are just sexual. Before the victorian ages girls in general, as long as its not too young (babies) or too old (hags) have been objects of sex, a picture with females or varying ages is just that.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were in fact a lot of pedos, i am pretty sure out of the people i know, a handful must be pedos but obviously aren't telling me. Of course you can't prove there IS because well, no one's gonna tell you they are. So if we've lived for this long and haven't really had a large problem with pedos.. why now?
Of course, the kind of thing tends to scare people (i don't know why), but as long as you're not taking advantage of some kid.. i think we can all relax.
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Anonymous2005-11-07 10:13
>>328
Most people who like kids can also get off to women, the studies suggest. so they just take all that sexual energy out on adults and don't need kids.
A few though, can't get off to women, and they're the ones who cause problems.
>>329
True, we don't need a study to tell us this. Most pedophiles are underage themselves, or just normal men with say, 25 fetishes/preferences instead of 24, and get off to the pedo material once in a while, like most of us do with our fetishes.
I would think that's a very small minority, and even the majority of that minority would never rape a kid in real life. In fact you wouldn't even know, he could be your friend, a family member.. etc.
I think people should calm down about the whole child rape thing, I doubt a pedophile would abuse a kid for the same reason i don't rape a hot girl on the streets just cause I fap to them/want to. Not to mention that almost all pedophiles at least have the control to keep their pedophilia under wraps in public. The people who DO rape others, be it children or not, or any other kind of crime, have clearly made the decision to do so, knowing full well of its consequences. Therefore i think the problem here is that there are people without self control, and not lust, media, thoughts and the like.
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Anonymous2005-11-10 14:37
i think people get turned on when they hear about child rape
Yup. There is nuthin' quite like a 7 year old girl gone wild!
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Anonymous2005-11-16 10:43
>>335
this is why more people should let their young girls take bodybuilding classes... omfg... A combination of all my desires in one female....YES MISTRESS SHIINA, I'VE BEEN SO NAUGHTY, TUG IT HARDER, HARDER, AAAAHHHHHH
oohhh ohhhh oooohhhh we're a third of the way there, CAN WE MAKE IT????AAAAHH-Hahhhhhh....
btw does anyone remember that nazi loli story? yeeeaaaah youknowwhatmtalkin'bout. HOTHOTHOT
I think it is both nature and nurture. Nature simply allows us to be capable of being attracted to children. This doesn't mean we are sexually attracted to children immediately, just that we are capable of becomming sexually attracted through nurture. Of course nature and nurture vary, but their properties are different. In general men are naturally attracted to fertile women and would be attracted to any features that a pre-pubescant girl might share with a fertile woman. Nurturally men are attracted to those they can get into bed easier, which obviously leads on to the immorality of paedophilia as rape. Most of the loli on this site revolves around domination rather than love. I would not class attraction to girls who have begun to show signs of puberty as paedophilia, sex with females who are infertile or who will possibly die during childbirth is abnormal. Girls have been getting married at the ages of 14+ for centuries and sexual attraction to mid-pubsecant females cannot really be defined as paedophilia. However in many societies it has been ranked so as women were expected to bear many children and giving birth whilst not fully developped could cause problems.
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Anonymous2005-11-19 0:09
That is why one should use a rubber when porking children!
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Nelson2005-11-19 1:00
wow
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Anonymous2005-11-19 13:15
Why all the fuss about this subject? This is a healthy activity and fun for both parties. I love to see my manhood in a tight hole- be it oral, anal, etc. How are the brats going to learn if we don't teach them? If it's old enough to bleed, it's old enough to butcher. Har Har Har!
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Nelson2005-11-19 13:17
unusual
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Oahudogger2005-11-20 12:54
I would hope that some of these posts are in jest.
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Anonymous2005-11-20 21:59
But what about lenjre fetish thats something that is sociatal not biological
>If pædophilia is genetic, then how do we deal with it? Eugenics?
>Wonderful idea,
Oh yes! Kill all of the pedos. EXTERMINATE THEM!
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Anonymous2005-11-20 23:56 (sage)
Eh. Hard to hunt them down when the majority of them keep it well locked and hidden from the non-internet public. And more often than not we just end up with a McMartin trial-type scenario (innocent people mistaken for pedophiles).
But hey, better to condemn an innocent man than free a guilty one rite?
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This thread must be bumped!2006-01-06 17:38
Can't be beaten by the niggerlovers, let's get back on track kiddies!
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Anonymous2006-01-06 20:41
Only pedos should be allowed to run for political office.
>>332
Pretty true, I think that the molesters simply lack self control and are very selfish, and the hardcore rapists would just hit up anything since it's power-tripping and about controlling a weaker person.
>>350
But I already cast my vote for Ashley. {rimshot}
>>352
So does this mean we should move the discussion to fchan's alternative board?
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Anonymous2006-01-12 4:00
What the hell, man.
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Chris2006-01-12 4:26
I'm soon to be 19 next month and I know where you're coming from. Most of my friends, all of the six save one, have moved on to college or something else.
Enter Sid and Kati. Long-standing boyfriend/girlfriend duo from way back in middle school. I don't suppose it's wrong to say that they behave like a brother and sister who operate in tandem with each other in every-day life. They're both officially bisexual.
I think you can see where I'm going with this. Both Sid and Kati are 14 or 15. They honestly remind me a whole lot of how I was when I was their age. I love hanging out with them, and it's no joke that because of my age I act as a sort of wizened and experienced operative to them. I tell them all sorts of stuff, from programming languages to pot smoking to sex-ed.
What's really neat is that Kati's is a gigantic loli. She's been taking hormonal birth control for a while now, so her breasts have started to bud, but nothing more. I also failed to say that she's five foot six and i'm six foot one. She's tiny compared to me.
Anyway, the thrust of my entry here is to say that I prefer kids younger than myself, and would certainly date them or find a mate in one.
Still no help for you with the nature-nurture argument, my father is about thirteen years older than my mother. So if I marry a girl that's thirteen years younger than myself, she'd be about five years old right now. Loli city.
Having a desire for girls younger than yourself is a perfectly natural thing. It only really becomes pedophilia in my book if the loli in question doesn't want anything to do with you.
>>359
i wouldn't do it as I would feel as though im a pussy who can't get laid
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Anonymous2006-01-23 16:43
>>316
lol fail.
I'm pedo and I don't like little boys.
Your theory states that a pedo de-evolutes thus leading to stupidty. A pedo can be an adult or a child (zomg spoilers) and are quite wise. [Restraint]
It's not ok for 13 year olds to fuck each other either.
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Anonymous2006-01-27 18:37
Perfect Punishment for pedos or lolis......
One particularly gruesome form of impalement involved being forced to stand over a wide stake which was just tall enough that it penetrated the victim's rectum deeply. This left them unable to remove themselves, or to sit. As their legs tired, they would slowly sink onto the stake, which eventually would cause mortal damage, but only over the course of hours, or even days.
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Anonymous2006-01-27 18:50
perfect 'punishment' for lolis is my cock
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Anonymous2006-01-27 23:55
>>372
I suspect that you masturbate to S&M videos.
children love my massive cock. I can't help it if they are attracted to me.
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Anonymous2006-01-28 23:00
I think pedos are closet fags, I noticed how some fags like young supple unmuscular men who look feminine and they are like women without tits n stuff.
There is a definite connection somewhere, but I'm not a psychologist so I can't really go any further without getting more active and researching this issue.
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Anonymous2006-01-29 4:59
>>359
If a really cute 10 year old girl wants to suck your penis, and it were socially acceptable, what would you do?
>>377
flails. Learn your terminology first, and no I'm not helping out.
>>378
All about looks to me, so it would depend on how she looked. If she's competing in any Litte Miss Americas, hell yeah. Oh and not asian, they don't change enough in appearance for the step down to be worth it. No blacks either but that's just in general.
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Anonymous2006-01-29 22:04
>>378
Tell the police, because I'd instantly know she was being forced into sex as no 10 year old wants to suck penis.
There's nothing wrong with doing someone younger than you, as long as they agree to it. The reason it's socially unacceptable today is because adults don't think that children have the ability to decide for themselves what they want, and therefore should be able to control what they do. Bullshit. Cut the damn umbilical cord.
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Anonymous2006-02-09 2:29
paedophiles are mentally disfunctional. they want to fuck little girls because they're impressionable and malleable and because real women frighten them. paedophiles never had sex as teenagers, hence their obsession and trying to make up for it. if they came close to a real woman they wouldn't even know what to do.
Fact is, that answer is flawed. ZOMG! First off, any kid can get dismembered by a fifty-year old fat bald man whether they've done him or not, and adults get dismembered all the time. Those people obviously lacked the ability to determine whether their would-be partner was going to dismember them or not too. Kids can get STDs from having sex with anyone, NOT just people over 18. Also, people don't gain enough "life experience" the second they turn 18. If we want to judge whether they're educated enough to decide whether they'd want to risk siphilis or not, it'd be negligent to stop at that exact second.
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Anonymous2006-02-11 0:27
My wang looks even bigger next to a fine 10 year old boy or girl.
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Anonymous2006-02-11 2:58
ONOES, MY COMMENT DOES NOT EXIST, PLEASE RETYPE!
404get!!!
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Vinz2006-02-11 3:04
by the way, this is 404 and I agree with 403 and 402. Though rare, if some kid is born with a disease, then it would be possible for a 10 year old girl to get it too.
I only like biiiig girls, but demmit, I'll fight for the right for loliphiles to bugger some highly randy Madonna any day! To paraphrase my good friend Johnny Cochran, if you can accomodate, then you are old enough to take!
>>408
Refering to when Madonna, the singer, said her sexual experiences started at I think 11. (I can't remember where she was being interviewed on it...probably Howard Stern.)
>>410
OK then, pedophilia is utterly wrong because it makes girls turn into Madonna.
Thread over.
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Anonymous2006-02-14 16:27
Young girls imply virginity. Hence the attraction and the protection.
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Anonymous2006-02-14 21:28
I want at least one or two. And I know they want me too.
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Anonymous2006-02-14 23:08
Young girls imply infertility and lower chance of survival for offspring. Young girls imply keep them safe until they can give birth without bleeding to death.
>>418
a 13 year old does not imply infertility. quite the opposite.
Also, these days a 13 year old does not always imply virginity. So they will have to go younger to maybe stake a claim on a girl before anyone else does.
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zeppy!GuxAK3zcH.2006-02-15 11:42
>>416
no, It's the fact they're younger, not less experianced. imagine lolis wit skillz, yo
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Anonymous2006-02-15 16:43
Women who are better able to bear children are more attractive than those who are so undevelopped they burst an artery during childbirth and have to have a caesarium section. Anyone who isn't attracted to an hourglass, voluptuous (but not so big it becomes unhealthy) and wide hipped woman is a closet fag or at least a closet bisexual. Undevelopped girls are just convenient because they have no tits and you havppen to be faggots and like that kind of thing.
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Anonymous2006-02-15 18:17
>>423
maybe there are two sides to pedos. one who finds little girl's body attractive and the other who find their innocence attractive.
girls who have fucked before don't show that same sense innocence that call out to be protected (and on the other side, to be taken away). there are laws in some countries that say that if a underage girl has fucked before, then it is okay for anyone to fuck her.
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Anonymous2006-02-15 19:05
Actually, pedophillia could be damn well anything. It could be that the encoding for human sexuality is so damn complicated that sometimes the system gets messed up, I mean, humans more or less all look the same.
Another theory is that it could possibly be an evolutionary strategy for reproduction; In the past, most males did not get to reproduce. Stronger more able bodied males would have killed them for going near their women. Also, in some strange cases very young girls COULD possibly be sexually mature, and therefore able to bear children, it did happen once. So males who do that might actually be giving themselves a better chance of reproducing, exploiting a source overlooked by other males.
As for why homosexuality is common, the closest the evolutionary view science has been able to come up with is that it is the product of genes which lead to great reproductive success in the opposite sex.
So you can't really reduce pedophilia or any paraphillia down to just one thing.
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Anonymous2006-02-15 21:45
>>425
there are laws in some countries that say that if a underage girl has fucked before, then it is okay for anyone to fuck her.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What countries? I wanna know I do I do!!!!!!
I love kids! Like I have this cute 8 year old niece. She has a definite girl shape already. And she like gives me that "I wanna fuck" look all the time. Of course I could't pop her cherry or drill her ass without bleeding, so I'm thinking that she would give great oral. My cock would be very happy between her pouty girl lips and she wants it I know. I would also tongue her pussy and cum on her face. I think she would swallow too. does this get you guys hard or what! Please comment.
You know what we need at Not? ANY OF YOU WHO HAS PICTURES OF THAT HOT UPPITY BITCH FROM STEAMBOY, SCARLETT, COME POST PLEASE!!!
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Anonymous2006-02-23 18:22
most girls married at the age of 14-15 in the XVIII century, even in the XIX century, and I'm not talking about some lost 3rd world country because back then the whole world was mainly rural
were our great grandparents all pedo?
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Anonymous2006-02-23 18:27
>>437
The girl was still part of ther family and was just married off so the parents could make sure the guy isn't going to rape and kill her. Those were lawless times aswell and the homeless, crack addicts and runaways you see strewn about the place nowadays would have simply starved 150 years ago, there were no social services.
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Anonymous2006-02-23 21:56
GENTLEMEN, GENTLEMEN, PLEASE!
IT IS OBVIOUS WHAT YOU ARE DOING, SO PLEASE STOP, ALRIGHT?
NOBODY IS AMUSED.
In 1989, sociologist Mary DeYoung reviewed the literature published by pedophile organizations for public dissemination. She found that pedophile organizations used the following strategies to promote goals of public acceptance of pedophilia:
Adoption of "value-neutral" terminology. According to Herdt, an anthropologist who has studied sex between adults and children in other cultures, pedophile advocates need to replace "dull and reductionistic" terms like pedophilia and abuse when discussing sex between "a person who has not achieved adulthood and one who has". Moreover, words like "child" or "childhood", which have psychologically developmental meaning, should be "resisted at all costs".
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Kintama2006-02-23 22:00
Redefining the term "child sexual abuse". Another recurring theme among those seeking to gain social acceptance for pedophilia is the need to redefine or restrict the usage of the term "child sexual abuse". For example, Gerald Jones (1990), an Affiliated Scholar at the Institute for the Study of Women and Men in Society at the University of Southern California, suggested that "intergenerational intimacy" should not be considered synonymous with child sexual abuse. According to her, the "crucial difference has to do with mutuality and control" (p. 278). Jones suggested, "Intergenerational attraction on the part of some adults could constitute a lifestyle 'orientation', rather than a pathological maladjustment" (p. 288).
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Kintama2006-02-23 22:00
Promoting the idea that children can consent to sex with adults. The reconceptualization of children as willing sexual "partners" along with the decriminalization of consensual sexual relations is perhaps the key change sought by pedophile advocates. To counter developmental arguments that children cannot give informed consent, for example, David L. Riegel (2000) stated in his book Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers, "Anyone who holds to the idea that a young boy cannot give or withhold informed consent has never taken such a boy shopping for new sneakers" (p. 38). Many activists in the childlove movement, amongst them Tom O'Carroll, Frans Gieles and Lindsay Ashford, actively campaign against the idea that children are unable properly to consent to sex.
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Kintama2006-02-23 22:00
Questioning the assumption of harm. One of the greatest barriers to the decriminalization of sex between adults and children are the hundreds of studies demonstrating a consistent association between child sexual abuse and negative outcomes. Advocates of pedophilia have attempted to change these barriers in a variety of ways. For example, they often attribute the negative outcomes on parents or professionals who seek to prevent or intervene in intergenerational relationships. Riegel (2000), for instance, asserted: "The acts themselves harm no one, the emotional and psychological harm comes from the 'after the fact' interference, counseling, therapy, etc., that attempt to artificially create a 'victim' and a 'perpetrator' where neither exists" (p. 21). Similar arguments are made by SafeHaven Foundation, an organization for "responsible boylovers". On their website, they wrote, "The child abuse industry ... takes a boy who has enjoyed pleasurable and completely consensual sexual experiences with another boy or man, and traumatizes him in an attempt to convince him that what he did was 'wrong'". In addition, SafeHaven argues that, "many of the supposed traumas elicited by psychotherapy turn out to be nothing more than the result of the False Memory Syndrome" (SafeHaven Foundation, 2001).
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Kintama2006-02-23 22:01
Promoting "objective" research. Pedophile advocates such as Edward Brongersma have argued that investigators of child sexual abuse have biased views. (Brongersma, 1990). As such, they frequently call for a less emotional and more non-biased approach to the subject (e.g., Geraci, 1994, p. 17; Jones, 1990). A study that is frequently cited as embodying the type of "objective" research needed is Theo Sandfort's (1987) research on boys' relationships with pedophiles, published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Sex Research. The study was considered the epitome of "objectivity" by some advocates of intergenerational sexual relationships (e.g., Brongersma, 1990, p. 168; Jones, 1990, p. 286), but critics have pointed to evidence which suggests that the study was "politically motivated to 'reform' legislation" (Mrazek, 1990, p. 318).
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Kintama2006-02-23 22:01
Declassification of pedophilia as mental illness. Activists reject the notion that pedophilia is a mental illness, believing that its classification as such is a political attempt to stigmatize a socially unacceptable paraphilia. Members of the movement quote Moser and Kleinplatz (2003), who suggest that all paraphilia be removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). They write that "objective", non-culturally-biased criteria for classifiying sexual behavior as psychotic is exceptionally difficult generally. For example, topless sunbathing, they note, is legal in some countries and treated as exhibitionism in others.
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Kintama2006-02-23 22:01
In a 1998 newspaper interview, Dutch psychiatrist Gerald Roelofs suggested the following five guidelines for relationships between adults and children:
There should be no coercion
The child should be free to stop at any moment
Sexuality should be compatible with the psychosexual development of the child
The parents should know about [the sexual aspect of] the relationship
The child should be able to openly discuss the relationship without fear of disapproval
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Kintama2006-02-23 22:02
About the same time, Frans Gieles, in conjunction with the JORis workgroup of the Dutch Society for Sexual Reform (NVSH) proposed the following four guidelines:[13]
Self-Determination: Children must always have it in their own power to regulate their own sexuality, their relationships with others and their own lives.
Initiative: Even in a later stage of the relationship, it is always the children who make the choice to have sex.
Freedom: At any moment within the relationship with an adult, children must have the freedom to withdraw from the relationship.
Openness: The child should not have to carry unreasonable secrets.
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Kintama2006-02-23 22:02
More recently, subsequent discussions about these guidelines have produced a synthesis of these earlier proposals. The following four guidelines have now been officially adopted by MARTIJN and form the basis of the ethos of the Human Face of Pedophilia:
Consent of both child and adult
Openness towards the parents of the child
Freedom for the child to withdraw from the relationship at any moment
Harmony with the child's development
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Kintama2006-02-23 22:03
A more in depth and broader code of ethics of moral pedophiles had been penned, no observation of such has been recognized. It states explicitly that,
Any violation, extension, or limitation of the code will be considered an act worthy of investigation, and possibly grounds for removal, by the local legislature, of the Childlover from the child depending on the child's suffrage, and other individual case circumstances resulting from relationship on a case-by-case basis..." and that "Any breach of these terms is not considered an act worthy of the Childlove movement. The movement will uphold these terms and these terms alone, as guidelines for consensual relationships with children should any adult choose to label them self a Childlover and carry out any relationship with a human child.
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Anonymous2006-02-23 22:04
EARTH'S LAST CITY, OLYMPUS, RSOE FROM THE ASHES OF A GLOBAL WAR ON THE BACKS OF BIOROIDS, ARTIFICIAL CLONES WHO MAKE UP HALF THE CITY'S POPULATION. UNDER THE STRICT GUIDANCE OF A SUPERCOMPUTER, HUMANITY'S LAST SURVIVORS ENJOY AN IDYLLIC PEACE, BUT ONLY ON THE SURFACE... HUMAN TERRORISTS WITHIN THE MILITARY SEEK A RETURN TO POWER AND CLASH WITH THE GOVERNMENT'S ES.W.A.T. FORCES LED BY THE LEGENDARY SOLDIER, DEUNAN KNUTE AND HER BOYFRIEND WHO IS 75% PEDOPHILE.
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Anonymous2006-02-23 22:45
Sex is by nature a secret thing. Kids must always be kept in plain view of the adults that protect them, that is, society at large.
That is why there is such a conflict. THAT is why you fucking sicko baby fuckers should be shot.
>>452
"THAT is why you fucking sicko baby fuckers should be shot."
Only fundamentalist women in their late forties use the descriptor "sicko" in a discussion. Fall down a well and die.
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Anonymous2006-02-24 17:01
>>454
Only someone who knows he is wrong refuses to engage in rational debate, therefore you are conscious of your decision to commit evil and should be impaled as a deterant against the crime and to prevent you from committing felonies again.
452 Isn't fundamentally making a rational argument.
"Sex is by nature a secret thing. Kids must always be kept in plain view of the adults that protect them, that is, society at large.
That is why there is such a conflict."
I don't think this even constitutes a complete thought.
Is the argument that because children cannot be in plain sight during coitus that "there is a conflict"?
I don't even know what to say... that might be the most asinine thing i've ever read.
455... stop being uppity on the internet. particularly if you're the same poster as >>452
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Anonymous2006-02-24 22:11
Pre-pubescent boys have great cornholes. They also give great oral. Of course, a hot 9 year old girl gives great oral and hand jobs. They like it too!
oh my God. i've never heard a pedo try and explain themself before. it just makes me hate them even more. u pedos are sick and should be shot if u get caught so u can't wreck any more childrens lives. u r social freaks who are just not normal in the head. crawl off and die somewhere. please.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 12:04
>>464
It was natural until the liberals moved for higher ages. Juliet was about 12 or 13 when she fell in love with Romeo and that's like one of the greatest romance story in English.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 13:32
>>466
It is natural to fall in love when you enter puberty, but not to have sex. In an age without antibiotics and social services childbirth was postponed till the age of 19 and marriage was just a way of proving that you are not an asshole to the parents until they finally give you the go ahead to have children.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 14:34
>>467
are you fucking kidding? people then regularly had babies when they were 14-15 years old. read more history books.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 14:53
>>468
NO U!
Not Jews, Christians and Muslims, to a certain extent. Sex abstinence was considerred pious and was a status symbol, noble women were expected to remain virgins till their mid 20s to prove their virtuousness even if they were married. Age 15-16 were the usual age for peasants, tending to increase in more zealous regions.
Sex before the age of 19 was a threat to the girl's life in those days and they had every reason to want their daughters to stay virgins till they were mature and to make sure their husbands were chivalrous.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 14:54
They also had reason to believe that sex with underage girls was evil, since death during childbirth in 14-15 year olds was common.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 16:40
to any pedos out there - everyone normal hates you. i say catch a pedo once, cut off his dick and testicles. then see if he offends again. and also tattoo the word "pedophile" on his forehead and THEN throw him in prison. see how long he would last then. because even though the people inside are druggies and murderers, they are still much better people than pedophiles, and hate you like the rest of us. if a pedo STILL reofends after serving his time and without his balls, he REEEEEEALY is not normal in the head and should be tortured to death. i hate pedos with all my heart. if i ever see a pedophile in the act he won't be long for this earth, i promise you that. another thing i wasn't even abused as a child, and i had a really happy time growing up. i just hate pedos. why? because i like to think of myself as a normal person.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 16:42
oh yeah and another thing being abused as a child is no reason to grow up to be a child molester, just get councilling or something, and surely you realise how much being abused screwed you up, so why inflict that on someone else???
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Anonymous2006-02-28 17:09
>>472
liberals fuck with their heads, they are evil, vote republican
I'll bet Jesus is laughing up there in his U.F.O right now...
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Anonymous2006-03-03 6:08
In nature,when animals hit puberty,...yes they also become sexualy mature,that is when they mate and have there 1st child.This would be roughly 1 and a half to 2 years in dogs say,and 11-13 yrs old in humans.Its only society that mentaly conditions minds from young to resist this natural urge and see it as bad.This delaying off sexual maturity all helps society to keep its gears going effectively.Children having children is just dead weight and wasted tax payer money to support young mothers who obviously will not be working and making money for themselves as well as the government.Maybe I can sum it up this way,its bad for business.Don't forget that we are all cattle to the government.Without working adults not restrained by children at a young age,the society would be in poverty and there would be less develpoment.Having said all that,,...I personally do not condone child abuse and I am not a pedophille and think it is disgusting and would kill (literally) anyone who ever tries to do that 2 one of my kids.There are tons of 18 to 35 yr old women to enjoy.I too am a product of that mental conditioning,but I am intelligent enough to know that it is not natural.Society causes many unatural anomalies
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Anonymous2006-03-03 7:42
yes they also become sexualy mature,
Not exactly.
Take a look at the diameter of the gap in the pelvis bone structure of a "11-13 yrs old" and an adult. Now consider just how many adult women need cesarean section to give birth.
There's nothing wrong with fucking at that age, but it's pretty dangerous to get pregnant. The baby's head not fitting through the birth canal is just one of your worries (and a pretty deadly one without surgery).
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Anonymous2006-03-03 8:35
>>479
The only answer is lots of oral. They love it! Anal is fun too. Kids are soooooo fun to play with.
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Anonymous2006-03-03 10:08
>>479
Asian girls do it all the time.Most are smaller than your average western 12 yr old.I had a child size philipino girlfriend last 2 yrs back.She was 26 yrs old.Tight vagina but after a while of sex it became quit loose.
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Anonymous2006-03-03 20:48 (sage)
>>481
The issue is the pelvic gap relative to the head of the baby. If they're adult, the ratio is larger. It doesn't matter what their height is.
PS. Asian children also weigh less at birth.
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Anonymous2006-03-03 22:39 (sage)
Asians are hot! I want several.
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FBI2006-03-04 0:25 (sage)
So, how much CP do you guys have and whats your IP?
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Anonymous2006-03-04 8:36 (sage)
>>484
Having lots of kids in my neighborhood, I do not need cp.
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Anonymous2006-03-04 20:53
>>479 478 here.Ah yes,you are absolutly right about pelvic gap.I hadn't thought about that or about it being alright to have sex at that age.I was just trying the perspective of nature and child bearing.Puberty has to pass completly before a child can be birthed.Age 15-16.I guess I am not intelligent enough to know that.479 and 484,you are ridiculous.I hope that the Fbi logged you ip on this site and are tracing the route to your house right now.Expect a visit sometime this year.Even if your joking around.Its not funny.
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Anonymous2006-03-04 21:07
486 here.Correcting the above.I meant 480 and 485 not 479 and 484.Keep reading the linked numbers insted of Bold on left.
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Anonymous2006-03-04 22:24
If any study needs to be done its the following;
What is the ratio of child(~16) sex offenders, who have never had sex with any persons but a child, to thoes who are currently having sex or have frequently had sex with same-age parters. (ruling out situations like a 19yr old, we are talking about major age gaps.)
I would tend to believe that the majority of true pedos have never had sex or any major sexual contact with another same age member.
I belive that shit rolls down hill and it starts with sexual 'road blocks' e.g. self esteem > sexual depression > sexual deviancy > some form of 'inappropriate' sexual bias be it pedo, rape, S&M, Homosexual, etc.
PEDOPHILIA(under 13) != EPHEBOPHILIA(13 and over)
ephebophilia is understandable and common.
DON'T DEFEND KID FUCKERS BECAUSE YOU THINK 15Y/Os CAN BE HOT, IDIOT!
sex != rape. Sex with under 13s = rape
Until you have the right hormones & body size for sex (+ it's consequences = babies) then you can't consent to sex (any sex) because you won't appreciate it one bit. Yes that means that some people will be 13 and some will be at least 18 before they are ready for sex.
Rape is a serious life damaging crime.
1- Adults handle such trauma slightly better than pre-sexual kids or developping sexual teens who may be unable to have a sexual life later
2- Adults have a better chance of fighting back
which is why the punishment is more severe for rape on a child or mentally/physically impaired person.
Possessing child porn is a crime and with good reason:
1- A child was tortured so you could fap. downloading that shit encourages the abusers to make more and others to download it too.
2- A small proportion of CP consumers turn into molesters. A small proportion of cocaine users turn into criminals that's why it's banned.
Who gives a fuck if you like boys or girls? The point is that you will NEVER meet a consenting partner under 13 and that your entire fantasy revolves around an unethical situation: rape.
Don't let the pedo communities delude you with their bullshit. Consent is the line that humanity draws. If you don't have that basic human respect of ethics: you are unhuman and monstruous, a harmful leech on society hence the violent reactions to pedos & rapists.
Pedophilia has many explanations: abuse, mental blockage on an idyllic prepubescent past, fear of dominant adults, need to dominate, lust for innocence or the destruction therof, the dumb idea that kidsex will cure aids, the dumb idea that children are innocent and never cruel, etc... but there are no excuses for consuming child porn, encouraging other pedophiles or acting out on unethical fantasies.
Drawn or fictional child porn is a grey area since the harm is only hypothetical: it is only a step out of many towards actual molestation. Only if studies reveal that a significant percentage of lolikon evolve towards real child porn will it be 'right' to ban it however imposing your shit on non pedos or asking non pedos to be tolerant is asking a bit too much.
Also this thread has a lot of stupidity in between the actual intelligent debate. Ok nothing is sacred but just remember that you might be stroking a sick fuck's ego when you lie about liking boobless little girls.
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Anonymous2006-03-06 15:35
Possessing child porn is a crime and with good reason:
1- A child was tortured so you could fap. downloading that shit encourages the abusers to make more and others to download it too.
2- A small proportion of CP consumers turn into molesters. A small proportion of cocaine users turn into criminals that's why it's banned.
Who gives a fuck if you like boys or girls? The point is that you will NEVER meet a consenting partner under 13 and that your entire fantasy revolves around an unethical situation: rape.
Don't let the pedo communities delude you with their bullshit. Consent is the line that humanity draws. If you don't have that basic human respect of ethics: you are unhuman and monstruous, a harmful leech on society hence the violent reactions to pedos & rapists.
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Anonymous2006-03-06 15:36
Pedophilia has many explanations: abuse, mental blockage on an idyllic prepubescent past, fear of dominant adults, need to dominate, lust for innocence or the destruction therof, the dumb idea that kidsex will cure aids, the dumb idea that children are innocent and never cruel, etc... but there are no excuses for consuming child porn, encouraging other pedophiles or acting out on unethical fantasies.
Drawn or fictional child porn is a grey area since the harm is only hypothetical: it is only a step out of many towards actual molestation. Only if studies reveal that a significant percentage of lolikon evolve towards real child porn will it be 'right' to ban it however imposing your shit on non pedos or asking non pedos to be tolerant is asking a bit too much.
Also this thread has a lot of stupidity in between the actual intelligent debate. Ok nothing is sacred but just remember that you might be stroking a sick fuck's ego when you lie about liking boobless little girls.
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Anonymous2006-03-06 17:31
i like little girls
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Anonymous2006-03-06 19:30
shoot the pedo fuckers. especially 494. and no i'm not joking.
>>492
Why 13?
I know 11 year olds who are more mature mentally, physically, and sexually than certain 20 year olds. If they are aware of their bodies functuality and practicality as a means to bring pleasure to themselves and ones they care about, why not engage in sexual relations? They cannot become a target for paedophiles, for mentally and physically they are not children, they can however be targets for ephebophiles.
Consent is such a conceited issue; we say as a society who can and cannot give consent, this is ironic. If pre-adolescent incest is normal within that society, then recording it wouldn't be abnormal would it, as neither would viewing it.
>>507
thank you for bumping this, I have ordered that book immediately, I thinking it to be very helpful in meeting young ladies that do not gold dig! d(^-^d) I want to find those that are not kogal! I hate kogal, they only take and take but only give sex in return will sex is not everything!!! Perhaps now I meet perfect young girl companion with willmanneredness and correct upbringing? Lets hope so!
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Anonymous2006-04-04 22:19
>>508
uh... Jap doesn't know the meaning of the word pedo
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Anonymous2006-04-05 6:52
>>1
Yes and couple of ex-gays too, as well as one ex-hetero.
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Anonymous2006-04-05 16:33
>>510
>as well as one ex-hetero.
Thanks to briget, we're seeing more and more of those.
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Anonymous2006-04-06 4:17
There's no such thing as ex-pedophiles.
The condition is incurable.You have the option of a lifetime in the closet, indulging in illegal activities or chosing to end yourself.
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Anonymous2006-04-06 4:24
Or you can fap to anime.
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Anonymous2006-04-06 5:39
Fap to Loli, you mean...
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Anonymous2006-04-06 8:23
>>512
why would anyone want to be an "ex-pedophile" when kiddyfiddling is so enjoyable? You should see my niece! Boys are fun too! They all love to suck my weenie.
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Anonymous2006-04-06 8:40
I like little boys, but I don't want to fuck them. I want to be that little boy and get fucked. Am I pedo?
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Anonymous2006-04-07 2:59
>>515
False pedophile! This is a child molester, as evidenced by the 8 year old language and child-like tone and grammar. I await mocking your appearance on the 8 o'clock news! A real pedo is only outed by his lover or a nation-wide police sting. You are too easy prey to be a real pedo!
>>516
Sexual projection fantasy. Take two boyscout uniforms and a ticket to a gay cruise and call me in the morning.
Can also be seen in guys that watch lesbo porn then express the desire to be the one 'taking it' when the strapon comes out of the box.
>>495
shoot the pedo fuckers. especially 494. and no i'm not joking.
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Neither I do joking with you. You're outside his reality and yourself joins at the partnership of the " good people ", of the correct and everyone you're insincere and they seem crazy in the sense of which one crazy man is outside his reality. His reality which you don't accept is which the children have always defined their sexuality and they feel sexual pleasures not only in-between kids rather which they feel urge sexy toward adult people too and those children can to enjoy as much one relationship with kids as with grown people. This is not dirty , nor is sin , nor horrid , nor is offence as you and his partnership of the " good " sees. Is simply human nature royal. The sex haven't limits of age , is simply sex , pleasure , exhilaration which produce one sexual join of two human beings independent of your age. Is it's a natural process. This is not terrible , nor abusive. Those adjectives were given by the partnership of the insincere as you and a lot of other ( judges , fiscal , police , religious fanatical extremists , advisory home-like , psychologist and psychiatrist , mothers offended and gossipy etc ). They are closing her mind in front of one reality of the sexuality of one child or kid. The royal hurt isn´t the relationship between grown - little boy or kid. The royal hurt is done by the partnership of the " good human beings ", good people when they raise one Scandal TREMENDOUS when they discover this relationships and immediately they raise their voices with indelicacy and with rage and stupor , all hurting which they take , they cause terror and large guilt in the kids and they do that this children think badly about an adult man, that is perverse,is hurting those ideas not be born with the little boy , they are induced by the adult man. so whom injure the little boy is not the pedophile , is the society whom says at the little boy with crying which it was highly bad which that this adult man did with that little boy or kid and that sorrow , rage , stupor , spite which the little boy sees at those grown which they say call oneself " good ", at once you may be , may be these: parents or teachers or police or fiscal or judges or mothers gossipy and insincere , that scenario terrible bring trauma at the mind of the little boy and is one chain in as much as that little boy going to grow resentful toward the grown , it will be the grown resentful of tomorrow unto the pedophile which him he made luxuriate sexually and it will be done one grown as you , as his partnership hypocrite which is against the pedophilia. Lastly , I don´t mind that you have been inferred which I am one real pedóphile. Don´t mind absolutely her toughts. Just I want to say that you're off of the reality sexy of the kids.
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Anonymous2006-04-08 1:49
A good portion of the people searching for pedo pron are underaged themselves.
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Anonymous2006-04-08 6:29
yes i want lolita pics please ;')
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Anonymous2006-04-08 12:43
>>520
I smell a "Letters from the Internet" piece.
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Anonymous2006-04-09 3:52
YOU GUYS
I FIGURED IT OUT
PEDOPHILIA RELATED DRAMA IS THE CAUSE OF WORLD WAR 3
Another theory is that it could possibly be an evolutionary strategy for reproduction; In the past, most males did not get to reproduce. Stronger more able bodied males would have killed them for going near their women. Also, in some strange cases very young girls COULD possibly be sexually mature, and therefore able to bear children, it did happen once. So males who do that might actually be giving themselves a better chance of reproducing, exploiting a source overlooked by other males.
So pedos are mutants. Yet another reason to kill them!
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Anonymous2006-04-09 15:25
>>525
100% of pedophiles have negro, jewish or mongoloid ancestry.
Actually, you're wrong. According to mathematical models supported by biological data, something like 70% of the human population had offspring, and the earliest time in the past when everyone was an ancestor of some part of today's human race is estimated to be only about 5000 years.
Today's tendancy to not reproduce and have offspring is perhaps caused by two factors:
=post-scarcity: there's not as much pressure to have children these days since you can do without them
=the decline of family in white homes
plus there's the internet factor: virgins are over-represented on the internet by several orders of magnitude. There's a lot more fucking and having children going on with people who don't visit world4ch.
So in conclusion, your thesis is proved to be likely wrong. People who don't have offspring are freaks of nature.
Actually, you all, most people who are into loli and pedoesque situations are more into it for other resons aside from sex. It's more like the people are into it for the innocence a young person would have. If you're over 18, and you're dating an 11 year old, it could be because you like the innocence. Well, it's not something I'd do, but they're not hurting me in any way by dating little girls so I have no reason to interfere.
I don't believe that. . Large developed breasts are a sign that said woman should already be a mother. People that lust over large breasts do so because they were brought up to think that way or just because they have some weird mother-complex thing going.
It is a fact that girls between the age 12-16 have a much better chance of birthing a child without defects then say a 25y/o woman.
Also, with all the diseases roaming around in this day and age, it's simply a matter of instinct for me to be attracted to girls that I can confidently feel are 100% clean.
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Anonymous2006-04-25 18:45
>>532
People rarely lived past the age of 18, people who lived past that age must therefore have had stronger immune systems. This is why a plump 25 year old is more attractive than a flat skinny 12 year old. You are a faggot, no more excuses, just admit it.
>>536
bullshit, because that flat skinny 12 year old still has the genes to live up to 25 years.
A POINT BTW: people back then did live up to 60 years. life expectancy is brought down by dead babies, children, generally people dying earlier. doesn't mean people didn't live to be really old.
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Anonymous2006-04-28 10:00 (sage)
>>536
People rarely lived past the age of 60, people who lived past that age must therefore have had stronger immune systems. This is why a wrinkly 60 year old is more attractive than a flat skinny 12 year old. You are a faggot, no more excuses, just admit it.
>>532
I agree with you.I am 100% hetro. I was born in the Caribbean and migrated to North America. I often find myself rolling my eyes at the fact that a woman's breasts have been highly sexualized in American culture. I could care less if a girl had big D or E cups. Its for suckling young, that's it. It's not for tit fucking or cumming all over it. It's because of the pornography in American cultures. My girl could have A B or C, I don't care. What I do care about and are must haves for me is a pretty face, real tight body with nice legs and a really, really well shaped ass. I would take a girl with a big nicely shaped ass over a girl with just big breasts any day.Although, If the big breasted one had all the other qualities I look for, if her personality was better I would take that one. Still all about a bomb body with great legs and ass for me.
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Anonymous2006-05-09 23:49
>>539
Not necessarily. Most people who lived to the age of 12 in the past didn't make it to 25. The older you are the more diseases you are immune to, the less proportion of nutrients are used to feed the baby during pregnancy and the more well developped the sexual organs of the mother. All of these are vital for a mother to produce healthy offspring and not die in the process.
>>545
I found this unrelated story while searcing google for the book.
My little friend is now 7 years old (don't insult her!), and she has
sometimes been sitting on my knee when I was reading the ASGL-letters,
she can spell a little, but she don't read English, and I haven't
translated it for her! She have showed me the word "is" which in Danish
means "ice" but I didn't tell her the meaning of letters.
I picked her up January the 1st, and had her staying until Sunday the 4th.
The first night we was playing in my bathtub before we went to bed. When
we do that she don't bother to get dressed before we sleep! We always
start reading a goodnight-story, sitting close under her quilt, and with
my quilt around our shoulders, and this night she laid her head on it,
and insisted we lay close, with her head on my arm! I enjoyed it
so much, I did not sleep for hours!
The next day we went swimming, and because of that we didn't bath in the
evening, and she kept her underwear on at night. But the last night we
went to bath, and she slept naked again.
But these 2 nights she told me to take my quilt and sleep in "my own
side of the bed" which I did without showing how sorry I was, but I
don't want her to feel any pressure! But at soon as I was laying under
my own quilt, she started masturbate so hard, that the whole bed was
shaking! Oh how I would have liked to help her, but I didn't do anything,
but afterwards her little pussy was wet and swollen from her orgasm!
I now remember someone have written about [how] little girls can't get
wet from orgasm, it is not right, I have experienced it, and also it
scientifically proofed by either Master and Johnson, or Kinsey, I
don't remember which, that little girls from birth can experience
orgasm!
I dunno about all this... I just know that there's no better feeling than cumming in a 5 year old's pussy.
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Anonymous2006-05-13 13:39
The truth about kiddyporn is that most of the time when you see 6 year old lolitas sucking on a guy's cock it is usually photoshop at work. Those little girls just don't seem to enjoy sucking cock for real. I know. I have played around with dozens of the little bitches. Sometimes if you promise to buy them a kitty, they will suck you off, but they get pissed if you cum in their mouthes. Usually I squirt on their face and hair. It's fun.
>>549
Captain obvious
NO ALL THE THINGS HERE ARE REAL STUPID FUCK
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Anonymous2006-05-14 8:45
expresion corporal libre.Como liberar al cuerpo de la verguenza?...
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Anonymous2006-05-15 8:33
555!
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Anonymous2006-05-17 21:31
It's nature.
Just because I've been fucking my mother since I was 9 doesn't mean I want to fuck little girls.
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Weirdo2006-05-22 3:49
I wonder if i'm a pedo or not. I get attracted to girls between 8 and 12. I'm not cruel or evil but i think that their hands and feet are so cute. And little breasts. I just can't help it. I couls suck a little girls feet for hours on ends, that's just how it is.
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Anonymous2006-05-22 5:02
>>I get attracted to girls between 8 and 12.
I think your answer can be found here
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Anonymous2006-05-22 14:09
>>1
no such thing as an ex-pedo. once a pedo, always a pedo.
at least until they grow up and realize that women are actually much better than 8yearold abby.
but i think teenagers will always be hot.
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Anonymous2006-05-24 18:36
last time i was on 4chan was like a year ago and this thread is still here
america and sex related drama
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Anonymous2006-05-24 23:23
It seriously scares me that this is one of the most intelligent conversations of any thread here.
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SonOfSunaj2006-05-24 23:48
It occurs to me that isn't emotional maturity and ability to be taken advantage of 2 different things. I mean girls emotionally mature faster than boys. so the age of consent for a girl should be comparitivly higher to account for this fact. However I can say fairly certain that a 30y.o. man having sex with a 12y.o. girl is probably taking advantage of her. however i don't think that a 30y.o. woman having sex with a 12y.o. boy is taking advantage of him in many cases. And if emotional maturity is really taken into consederation for age of consent, males shouldn't have sex until they are quite old. i also forgot to sign my last post >>561
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Anonymous2006-05-24 23:48
>>561
Why should an intelligent discussion of a topic that's normally hush-hush scare you?
Whatever your thoughts are on the topic it's something that needs to be talked about. If everyone just ignores it or takes an ignorant attitude toward the idea of pedophilia it's just as bad as not trying to understand quantum mechanics or Asperger Syndrome or anything else.
One of the worst problems society faces is the fact that people are afraid to talk about things that make them uncomortable. Perhaps if people, as a whole, were able to rationally discuss and investigate the phenominon they'd find a solution to the problem. Or perhaps their perceptions would change and it would no longer be thought of as a problem.
Either way, you shouldn't be afriad.
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Anonymous2006-05-25 1:13
>>561
Honestly. If people would just sit doen, shut-up, take their turns presenting their opinions and keep an open mind towards others opinions and allow themselves to ponder and contribute all forms of rational thought, this world would be a MUCH better place.
To do that, though, we'd have to abolish Religion, specifically those born of or related to Christianity: The most bigoted religion in the world.
Anyways, the whole pedo thing is interesting, considering europeans used to marry at 12-years of age and younger, and many cultures in the world still do.
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Anonymous2006-05-25 6:41
>>564
List a few of this 'many cultures'.
Going on a trip soon.
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Anonymous2006-05-25 7:03
The most bigoted religion in the world.
Someone needs to study more religions...
Sorry, weeaboo, it's not just Buddhism and Christianity out there.
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Bubb Rubb2006-05-25 8:06
Men should be sexually attracted to the perfect vessel for producing children, which would be an older plump 21 -> 45 year old female. Anyone who disagrees is a liberal and should be neuterred. I'm black by the way.
>>567
So THAT's why niggers always fuck ugly fat chicks.
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Anonymous2006-05-25 18:30
>>567 actually we shouild want to breed with girls between the age of 16 to 25 maybe 30, after that the stress stars getting really unhelthy for the woman and causes complications. and definatly never breed with a woman over 40 as the chance of complications is nearly trippled from a woman in her 20's
ok im a pedophile(even though i dont like the word.. lots of nasty meanings associated with it) i would never rape a child, ie against their will, and i dont think i would have the guts to chat up a kid.:( but anyway, the first time i started lookin on the internet for that kind of stuff i was 12, and i was unsuccessful, but the intent was there. i have been attracted to that age range since. when i was about 15 i started getting attracted to boys as well. i have only once approached a child once and i
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anon2006-06-04 6:33
failed miserably. put me off trying again. i am 18 now, not exactly a dirty old man. i was never abused as a child, nor did any exploration with a sibling or friend. i was once met a 13 year old boy on the net, actually asking for child porn. i politely refused and left quickly.. caught me by surprise. i am interested to hear any thoughts on the psychology behind this.
sorry about the split post. rubbish computer.
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Anonymous2006-06-04 6:35
Blacks are more than twice as likely to be pedos.
Rate of child abuse by race in relation to the average (100%).
White = 73.8%
African American = 193.8%
Hispanic = 111.9%
American Indian/Alaskan Natives = 133.3%
Asian/Pacific Islanders = 23.8%
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Anonymous2006-06-04 14:32
>>581
number one give us the source for these numbers.
Next it says "Child Abuse" not "Sexual Abuse" a relativly small portion of child abuse is decidedly sexual.
I always thought asians with their small penises would go after children more often. Instead blacks with their big ass tools do. Does that have any suggnificance?
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Anonymous2006-06-04 17:29
>>582
Blacks rarely go after chilren, but this is probably cause children are often out of average black man's reach and they tend do not like their race as lovers.
You know, people are always biching about lolicon and shit like that. But put it this way, would you rather have some person beating off to pictures of anime lolicon or real girls online, or going out and rapeing a little girl to stisfy himself? If he does rape a little girl, what if its your sister, daughter, freind, etc. You should just ignore it, you don't like it, neither do a lot of people, some do like it. Judge me how you want by my sayings, but do this before you do, JUDGE YOUR SELF ASSHOLES! And take in other things, if you happen to think that a girl looks "cute", not in a perverted way, there are people who will think you disgusting.
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Anonymous2006-06-17 5:40
Hmmm well when it comes down to all guys, pedophiles like me just tend to like the cute things found in little girls.
Out of all this, at the moment my only solution to this is >JAPAN > CLAMP > CHOBITS > PERSOCOMS > NOT ILLEGAL
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Anonymous2006-06-17 15:08
>>509
Apparently, neither do 90% of the people who have posted in this thread.
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Anonymous2006-06-17 16:46
A person isn't clinically pedophile unless it's his or her primary or main attraction and they have acted on their sexual urges, or their fantasies or sexual urges cause them distress or interpersonal difficulty.
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Anonymous2006-06-18 7:49
Read Judith Levine's Harmful to Minors. You will see eventually everything about anti-pedophilia is BS. The problem is she is accused as a pedophile by the conservative media, but in reality not.
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Anonymous2006-06-18 8:06
According to the US Constitution, any law that turns large segments of the population into criminals is unconstitutional. This would certainly apply to child pornography laws and likely age of consent laws as well.
Current government attempts to label the normal diversity of sex as immoral and harmful through attempts to restrict it are simply doomed to fail. No government has the power to change the reality of human sexuality into something that fits with religious fairy tales. What really needs changing are the elected officials who are so susceptible to ignorance and superstitions. Then we can start doing away with unconstitutional and immoral laws.
Thanks to my coalition, there's less of you now than you think. Ever wonder what happened to Bob, Jake, and Kev. at the last meeting? heh heh heh heh heh....
>>596
Everyone is born a pedo, the broken society we live in is what turn some weak people off the right path. Their weaknesses make them jealous and want nothing but murder and kill.
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Greetings ladies and gents,
My name is dannywyatt and I'm a childlover, born as a pedophile. You probably seen my posts throughout the Internet on the subject of pedophilia, but still am building myself to the status of activist for pedophilia. I encourage you all to keep an open mind to such a sexual orientation and learn to understand the truths of it's natural existence within humanity. I encourage all pedophilic children and adults, and those involved in childlove relationships, to stay strong and resist the hatred, discrimination, and persecution of our people. Our community is growing stronger and hopefully with the innovation of technology and the Internet the new generations will start to see past the lies and to see the truths.
I'm sorry that I can't go into depth about pro-pedophilic topics, or citing sources, etc. It would take more then a singulary forum to reveal the "game" that exists between us and our "anti's." Generally speaking alot of the anti's speech against pedophilia is true to idiocy. Lacking in substance; otherwise filled with half-truths, weak politically correct terminology, misinformed robotic thinking the propagated from media or political sources, morally terroristic, hysterical in nature, ignorant of, and plainly built from hatred.
Again I encourage all to be insightful and not become a robot of the governments propaganda. I know it is difficult to think that pedophilia is a natural part of humanity and that it has been held at a higher degree then other sexualities.
In love in to a future of human rights, human equality, and love, dannywyatt
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Anonymous2006-07-05 16:23
>>606
Adults who want to have sex with children rarely wish to respect the child's rights or do anything than have sex with the child. In a perfect world where everyone respects human rights, equality and loves each other then maybe child sex should be legalised. However we are not living in your fantasy world, so the age of consent of 16 stands.
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Anonymous2006-07-09 0:31
>>607
I have to agree with 606. It is awkward to see the anti-pedophilia movement to restrict civil liberty. Now we have many "minor" sex offenders (like age 10 and 6 in some news in the States), that is acceptable to persecute them without any problems. Do you think anti-pedophilia is trying to protect children? Read the law textbooks and current news and you will see it is BS. I used to believe anti-pedophilia help the society, but it only have the huge drawbacks.
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Anonymous2006-07-09 4:35
I FUCK CHILDREN
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Anonymous2006-07-09 9:26
I won't comment on my age much, but I'll tell you that I'm considered undersage, and thus illegal to those above the age of 17. Ever since I was three (My earliest concious memory), I've had an attraction to males, I would look at my classmates and just want to hug them, Touch them, and feel their warmth. Later, I did end up having some sexual encounters in kindergarden, I wont go into detail, As I'm sure only the perverts would want to hear. :)
The thing is, years later, I find out about how taboo and illegal it is. I was terrified, I didn't know what to do.. So I just kept it a secret, bottled it up.. Prior to finding out about the "laws" against sexual acts with kids, I didn't even feel ashamed, I just thought like it was something that everyone felt. So here I am, I am almost old enough to graduate from High school, and guess what... I still feel the same way, I feel gravitated towards males, females young and old. However, I don't feel anything for young females. It just isn't very.. Good on the eyes, Not cute like boys. :P The older women though, get very soft and curvey.. I like that.
ANYWAY GETTING OFF TOPIC LOL.
Point is, I'm underage- I've never felt different, and It's something I have to live with.. Hoping that no-one ever finds out, or I could risk life in prison. So tell me, is this justice?
You know, I always wondered why this thread was under "Politics".....also, what's up with all the spam?
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Anonymous2006-07-25 4:09
If pedophilia is illegal, then we shouldn't believe in Christinaity. According to the Bible, God impregnante Mary. But Mary according to the marriage tradition she might be underage like 12-13 years old. So be it. God was a child molester and a pedophile.
Your right. I kind of feel the same way as you do when it pertains to prositution also.
I have never dealt in kids or prostitution, but if someone wants to get off looking at pictures of " lolicons" or wants to go pay for sex, then let them. WHO CARES?????
It is there demons, not yours.
I would also, rather have someone getting off to pictures or prostitutes, than doing the rape thing.
But remember who makes the laws??
Those that are perfect, morally and physically.
those that have never used a prostitute, those that have never had underaged sex, those that don't fondle little boys (catholic priests), etc...
I WAS BEING FACECIOUS. Those that are usually uptight about things of this nature, are usually the ones that feel the guiltiest about them.
Have you known any one that, when they were younger, for example a male, that all of a sudden became a father?
Know that he has kids, especially a daughter, she can't go out on dates, have boyfriends until 18, etc.....
Why is this? From my experiences, it is because those are the guys that had underaged sex, sexual actions, when they were young, and being played out on someone elses daughter. That was good for them to use other mens daughters for their pleasure, BUT NOW, IT IS WRONG FOR A BOY (SIMULAR TO HOW THE FATHER WAS)TO DO THE SAME TO AND FOR HIS DARLING DAUGHTER.
Turn about is far play, especially when we are humans ( sexual creatures) and what most of us do sexually, is all natural, no matter what anyone says.
Elvis's wife = 16y.o, Jerry lee lewis cousin 13 years old, Buddahs wife=6 years old, etc....
do you see any of them on a pedophiles list? Now because it is natural to be attracted to any healthy looking, opposite sex.
That is how we find healthy mates to pass our genes on to. To produce healthy offspring so our reprocriation stays in tact.
Again, those that protest to loudly, etc.... ever hear that saying?
So they have to be anti- ??whatever? so those around them won't get them mixed in with the "freaks" or as scientist like to state, those humans who use their natural given instincts that have been with us for millions of years.
The same instincts and natural actions that have kept the human race from extinction.
I am a christian, and feel that, in some ways, your statement is blasphemous.
But in other ways, you are right on the mark.
It was good for the one man we are all supposed to imitate, the perfect individual.
But for the common man, it is a sin, its sick, your labeled, imprisioned, etc...
I just don't get it???
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Anonymous2006-07-26 13:20
Christians can be assholes, but I think Xel is a little over the top. It might have something to do with him being a NAMBLA extremist, those guys are pretty weird. I'm not letting them near my kids if I have any.
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Xel2006-07-26 14:00
>>623 Eh? I'm speaking the truth; I'm not attacking the entirety of Christianity - I'm saying that if you justify anti-feminism or anti-gay sentiments with the scripture then you are also philosophically obliged to tell your daughter her period is an expression of her supreme sin and threaten women who do not wear a veil in public. I wouldn't let any christian organisation-dogs near MY future kids - they'll put silver rings on them and increase the possibility of unprotected buttsechs. Not to mention tell them that gay pride and feminism is subversive and selfish.
If you're still pro-feminism in the 21th century, you deserve to have your balls cut off.
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Xel2006-07-26 15:16
NOOO! My position has been totally refuted by a debonair pundit with an implication to me not deserving gonads!!!! Here is a retort almost on par with the ideal of zestiness and eloquence you mercifully provided - YOU should have YOUR balls cut off ;)
Well, I feel we've accomplished a lot today.
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Anonymous2006-07-26 15:40
>>626
TL;DR, I just looked at your post for 3 seconds and noticed you're pro-feminist. Don't care about your fight with the other Anonymous.
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Anonymous2006-07-26 16:20
>>624
Where in the bible does it say women should wear veils and not have sex?
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Xel2006-07-26 17:34
>>628 Veils, doesn't say much about women in particular not having sex. The demand of the veil is in the Corinthians, methinks.
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Anonymous2006-07-26 22:03
>>629
Isn't there a site or something which has lots of silly bible extracts you could use to back up your statements? There must be.
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Anonymous2006-07-27 3:51
gay pride and feminism IS subversive and selfish. that doesn't necessarily mean it should be forbidden, but lets face facts here
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Xel2006-07-27 5:05
>>631 Okay. I expect some really good argumentation for why people shouldn't fight a system that tries to change them and their lives for the worse.
So,...Why can't people keep it so that they stay above those ages? The youngest legal ages of consent is 12. Why do people still feel so free in touching 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11 year olds! These are the most innocent ages! Keep them innocent! Seriously! A person lives until they are 80-90- or sometimes 100 years old! Why only let them have a measly teeny tiny amount of completely innocent years in their lives?!?
thanks for bumping a 4 month old thread and posting a link to a website we've all seen a billion times. i look forward to seeing more of your insightful contributions in the future.
"Greetings ladies and gents,
My name is dannywyatt and I'm a childlover, born as a pedophile. You probably seen my posts throughout the Internet on the subject of pedophilia, but still am building myself to the status of activist for pedophilia. I encourage you all to keep an open mind to such a sexual orientation and learn to understand the truths of it's natural existence within humanity. I encourage all pedophilic children and adults, and those involved in childlove relationships, to stay strong and resist the hatred, discrimination, and persecution of our people. Our community is growing stronger and hopefully with the innovation of technology and the Internet the new generations will start to see past the lies and to see the truths.
I'm sorry that I can't go into depth about pro-pedophilic topics, or citing sources, etc. It would take more then a singulary forum to reveal the "game" that exists between us and our "anti's." Generally speaking alot of the anti's speech against pedophilia is true to idiocy. Lacking in substance; otherwise filled with half-truths, weak politically correct terminology, misinformed robotic thinking the propagated from media or political sources, morally terroristic, hysterical in nature, ignorant of, and plainly built from hatred.
Again I encourage all to be insightful and not become a robot of the governments propaganda. I know it is difficult to think that pedophilia is a natural part of humanity and that it has been held at a higher degree then other sexualities.
In love in to a future of human rights, human equality, and love, dannywyatt"
You're right, dannywatt, we should be more tolerant of childlovers. Nah... just kidding, you're a faggot. See you in the labor camps.
>>638
Children aren't mature enough for a sexual relationship with another person or to make decisions such as enterring into the pornography industry.
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Anonymous2006-11-25 9:32
lol, this old thread. I wonder if there are some new user who can push the post count to 1000. If they do, I'll be there for 1000 GET.
WTF is wrong with everyone!? Shit, folks, you express the same typical insecurity and manufactured morality that the majority of BRAINWASHED America seems so fascinated to emulate and force down the necks and brainstems of every hapless young adult in existence. Philosophy? Self-centeredness? Death? Typical foolishness for exceptionally small-minded individuals the refuse to at all make any real sense of either the problem or solution. This is a battle royal with no holds barred and no brains used.
What is the source of the madness? Let's dig a bit shall we? 1) Bad childhood with the only relateable sexual pleasure being with that of an individual of the approximate age group that the emotional or psychological development was halted by an event or lesson that was literally too much for the person in question, or 'victim of circumstance'. This does not in any way excuse the activity of pedophilia, it merely allocates one of the many sources which then allows for treatment and solution of the Pedophile Disorder.
2) Parenting during development was severely lacking, providing for no foundation of life principles, such as Honor, Discipline, Respect, Honesty, Purity, etc. This leads to a life of sating one's desires as a rabid animal does in its most disgusting and evil way. Pedophilia in this case is the successful progression of the enjoyment of lust and sexual envy via pornography from one age group to the next, younger and younger. This is the sign of a mass murderer, and the person must be treated as a rabid dog.
3) The individual was raised in an environ wherein sex between adults and children was not only endorsed, it was common practice. This leads to a life of seeking an adequate partner of very small stature and youthful age that would equate to the partner that they were to their parental bodies in their youth. In this case they do not understand that they are incorrect in their practice and must be gently taught otherwise(non-pacifist, non-violent).
4) Something wierd happened and they just 'snapped'. Common Metaphysics acknowledges this as the recognizeable sign of an non-human entity assimilating the human psyche for a period of time. On many occasions the person thinks they are the one performing the actions they witness firsthand, on others memory is wiped clean once the alien entity leaves the host body. This is not an excuse for pedophilia either, merely the allocation of the foundation of the problem at hand, in order to deal with the problem and bring the patient to a healthy state of mind.
Why in the hell are we discussing pedophilia on 4chan and getting so uppity about it? The only use 4chan's text boards have is for the idiotic to congregate and flame each other, then slowly pwn themselves.
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Anonymous2006-11-30 6:32
guys, here is a tip:
Dress up as pedobear and you can get closer than you might think to the younguns. :3
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Anonymous2006-11-30 13:06
Every one is a pedophile. Just most of us manage to not give into it. I mean come on, Olsin twins, when they were 16 are you telling me not even a little turned on by them
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Anonymous2006-11-30 13:21
>>646
Everyone thinks about sex with different people and things, but it doesn't mean you want to go fuck it.
Think about sex with your mom for instance. You can think about it, but unlike freud it doesn't give you a hard on or be particularly enjoyable.
If i ever found out who fiddled with my nieces when they were well under-aged for sex, God help them, because i won't. I feel no sympathy for the way pedophiles are brought up thinking or feeling. In this day and age it is illegal to have sex with anyone under the age of sixteen, and i totally agree with that... And if i ever met one of you, or found out where ANY of you lived, then i would come down on you just like a tonne of bricks. How would you feel then eh? victimised?, wanting compensation? I found this page by accident, and it sickened me so much i had to reply in the hope that the pedophiles who posted their rants on here know that there are people like me everywhere, waiting for the opportunity to wreak bloody vengeance on their pitiful souls. The End.
I read every word in your post, and u are as smart as any i know. Your description of pedophilia is perfect. Its a shame the rest of the people who posted don't see it the same way. I'll let you off for the sucking cock bit, as your brains are more important to me right now...:-)
I wasn't a pedo 'til I discovered loli on 4chan and 12chan.
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Anonymous2007-01-14 19:34
And I wonder how many non-pedos intrested in pedo stuff because pedophilia is forbidden.
When things like pedophilia or drugs are forbidden, people become so mystic and attatched to these 'forbidden' stuffs despite people are trying to avoid the 'forbidden' in the first place.
Homosexuality is part genes, part post-natal psychology. Same goes with a lot of things, including but not limited to pedophilia.
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Anonymous2007-01-22 8:49
>>657
How is it genes? I have never heard about a study made about homosexual prevalence and family history. Any source?
It is not easy to prove a genetic connection with complex human behaviours, like preference of sexuality. Its like any other preference, its mostly a product of experience.
Fail.
Kinsey institute found that those without the potential to have a certain fetish in the first place won't just gain the ability to find that hot. Same for pedophilia, normal people who end up there already had the predisposition in the first place. There is no spiral. Either you could go there and you do or don't realize it, or you can't period.
>>18
You fail even harder. Pedophilia is a psychosexual disorder with varying degrees of attraction to children. But it is not a curable condition, they don't choose to be pedophiles. That much has been established. Their brains are made differently in certain areas. If you want the source, I have it.
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Anonymous2007-04-11 16:55 ID:FFFn5Iy0
Is homosexuality a psychosexual disorder?
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Anonymous2007-04-11 16:55 ID:1RpWimAN
>>664
Wrong. Sexual attraction has many facets ranging from curves, body language, scents, behaviour, voice and health. Paedophiles, for whatever reason, obsess over the facets that children have over women such as blemishless skin and evenly distributed body fat. There is no such thing as a natural attraction to children, that's absurd. We only evolved attraction to either men or women.
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Anonymous2007-04-11 17:28 ID:3Wg+XW6/
If they don't choose to be pedophiles, then I believe pedophilia is quite normal as homosexuality. There are many closet pedos out there and we are only make them encourage into a sophisticated and large sub-cultural group. We are losing the war on pedophilia.
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Anonymous2007-04-11 17:32 ID:3Wg+XW6/
>>667
Over three decades of war on pedos and not even a significant scratch. Sadly but true. Sounds like the pedos won.
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Anonymous2007-04-11 17:39 ID:FFFn5Iy0
>>668?
Three decades? Impregnating 12-year-olds has been socially accepted for thousands of years. You'll need a lot more than three decades to combat that.
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Anonymous2007-04-11 18:45 ID:3Wg+XW6/
>>669
Since pedophilia is outlawed officially via banning CP, sounds more convincing to say that three decades is accurate.
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Anonymous2007-04-11 19:03 ID:3Wg+XW6/
Anyway, prisons are filled with pedos... fearing too much about pedos... frenzy for killing pedos... more humors about pedos... is this really make sense that pedos are treated like this?
Maybe w ARE worshiping pedophiles.
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Anonymous2007-04-11 20:29 ID:PzZbEkUH
chemically castrate all pedo's.
we do it to animals for the same reason. why should they be treated more than human if they dont regard others as human?
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Anonymous2007-04-11 20:39 ID:iXUaucXm
Question was: Have you ever known an ex-pedophile?
I consider myself an ex-pedophile of sorts. I still consider myself attracted to children and they can certainly make me very aroused. Indeed, I am attracted too older girls also and I can explain the attraction: it feels exactly the same. I see a young girl and I think "wow she’s really beautiful." I can just as easily see one and think "do not want." Age isn’t a preference here though, it just doesn’t matter.
What I did is feel really guilty for a while. I got over that not by realizing I've not done anything wrong. This made me realize something for myself: don't fucking do it. I actually also believe that there are a million reasons there can be nothing wrong with it. I however also know one reason why it’s almost always wrong: alienation. I knew about sex as a child due to being sexually abused and I got a lot of punishment for it from teachers for doing things I didn’t exactly know were wrong, I knew I wasn’t supposed to say I was having any and that was about it. Indeed, I would say that is the only problem it ever brought me. It is exactly why it is almost ALWAYS going to screw the kid up. I used to dream of the romance, love and sex I wanted with a child, but there is no reality of it happening. I just deal with the urges, I don't get aroused around my little cousin anymore for example and to do this I actually formed a deep friendship with her. She shares those silly secrets kids have with me, and as an adult it is rare for most children to have. I couldn't ever have sex with her, because she would hate me for it just because every other girl does later through group psychology effects and the like.
It isn't hard not to fuck kids. It should be the death sentence (in my own opinion) for doing it for this reason: it’s preventable easily and ruins lives. I can assure you I know I have had more than enough chances!
However I have no problem with hearing about it in history because these barriers seem purely cultural. Indeed, it is frightening to think of the problems with child sexual abuse being involved purely because we are so against it. What is far scarier for me as a victim of it is that indeed, I see no way for such widespread problems to change in a thousand years.
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Anonymous2007-04-11 20:42 ID:iXUaucXm
err, "I got over that by realizing I've not done anything wrong." on the second paragraph
if your "culture" permits this sort of thing then quiet frankly your "culture" if pretty fucked up... maybe you'd prefer my culture if you dont agree. my culture involves slowly cutting body parts off pedo's. nothing wrong with that right cos it's my "culture"?
>>675
with or without anesthesia? i meant chemically as in "dipping" into chemicals. not that nice "pop a pill" chemical castration.
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Anonymous2007-04-11 21:04 ID:7JPUp7Ub
>>676
As long as it's irreversible.
I remember one Pedo with a conscience who was on television begging the government to castrate him, so he wouldn't offend again.
Nowadays we have the internet, where pedos can tell each other how normal they are and that it's perfectly acceptable to tear apart a child's life.
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Anonymous2007-07-13 8:23 ID:ZDz6VRHx
Whatever you say about nature, if you just consider the physiological development of the uterus, the vagina etc., it is NOT "natural" to have sex with or get impregnated a pre-pubescent or one who is going through puberty.
I myself AM a pedo, I hate this fucking stereotypic society of "average anti-pedo "Joes" who secretly jack off CP while their wife ain't looking". I just dont know who is more sick - me or this society.
If we accept the premise that non-pedos can become pedos (that is, they aren't all born that way), then we have a situation in which normal people, WITHOUT EFFORT, adopt an abnormal sexuality. It seems reasonable to believe that, with conscious effort (not that the tools to carry out that effort are necessarily obvious), an abnormal person could regain a natural and healthy state.
Personnaly, I couldn't have a hard-on for a pre-pubescent girl, because I have empathy and, let's talk concretely, I just couldn't bear the idea of hurting a little girl's vagina by putting my penis into it because it would just be oversized for her, the mere idea that she could be in pain and in distress would just immediately suppress any lust.
I also imagine what she would go through if a sexual intercourse was discovered : her intimacy would be deeply examined by various medical tools and then, she maybe would have to go to talk to tons of psychiatrists, maybe she would be hated by some members of her family and all these things would be traumas, she would feel so different from the others and what kind of life would she be able to build after ?
I think that before acting, if you are ever tempted by having sex with a little girl, just think about her before thinking about you. Maybe in a way, you have to move your body, your feelings and your mind into hers an just ask yourself concretely "If I was a little girl, how would I feel ?".
Though, I can be attracted to 16 year old girls just like by adult women, I can be turned on by a teen, included one of illegal age in many states of America. I'm not from the religious right-wing or prude or anything. And I'm also not denying at all that a little girl can have some sexual desire or sexual pleasure, and concretely be aroused, wet, feeling to be hugged, caressed, kissed and I think there should be much more openness and accurate information given to them about these subjects.It would be much more clever to inform girls about their feelings, including sexual ones, than to sell them lolita-style clothes or bombarding them with video clips on teen or preteen tv cannels, showing girls in chains bending their back doggy-style, and then telling them at the same time that sex doesnt exist for them and that they shouldn't even think about it.
But, as far as pre-pubescent girls are concerned, for the reasons I mentioned above, I don't think that these totally natural desires they are legitimately feeling, should be fulfilled by an adult man, because of the consequences. I'm not talking about what would happen to you, but about what would happen to HER.
ADULT WOMEN ARE MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN 16 YEAR OLDS AND NOT AS RETARDED OR DIRTY
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Anonymous2007-12-17 1:20
New study indicates pedos are brain damaged. their brains don't work very well and have physical/structural defects. hey ho, let's go, euthanasia!
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Anonymous2007-12-18 13:06
Ah, yet another man bashing thread. Why do I get the feeling that the OP will suddenly return and beat all us guys into the dust with something unintelligent like "All men are naturally pedos and should be shot"
In 27 days this thread will be two years old.
OP is probably married with kids by now...oh boy.
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Anonymous2007-12-18 19:11
Why does every fucking question have to ASSume the false dichotomy between so-called "nurture" and so-called "nature" except for the stupid en alliteration? Have you ever thought that biological organisms and the societies they form are systems, that ecology is a branch of biology, that abuse of reductionism is for idiots, and that so-called "society" is but another continuum of so-called "nature". Fuck this question with this retarded dualism and dichotomy between the concepts of "societal" and "natural".
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Rather anonymous, I think2007-12-20 8:06
Whether the present psychiatric perception of paedophilia is correct or not, it is as following: Paedophilia isn't a true sexual orientation. That means that it is caused by something other than a biologically inherent tendency ("nature"). It also means that it doesn't preclude attraction to adults. However, due to the shame, the damage paedophile preferences can cause if acted upon and extreme social condemnation, anyone who thinks of themselves as paedophiles will be extremely preferential to children; that is the only thing that can force a person to accept this about themselves. The exeption will be psychopaths/sociopaths. These care about neither damage to children, nor social condemnation. Many of them are also willing - even eager - to take risks to themselves.
Most who act on their paedophile preferences are either psychopaths or have a substance abuse problem or a psychiatric, psychologic or neurologic condition which severely lowers their judgement. Probably most paedophiles do not act on their preference. Since these people are likely to be extremely conditioned towards denying their leanings, they probably wouldn't show up in any form of research, short of questioning with a polygraph...
As to the question of child pornography:
I cannot see how the viewing and possesion of cp in itself is a problem. The problem occurs if it causes people to sexually abuse children. whether this is the case is contoversial. The mere coincidence of the two acts (looking and doing) are not sufficient to prove anything. Additionally you would need to examine the possibility that it prevents some abuse as well.
Another and connected problem is the production and the financing of the producton of cp. Both cause children to be severely harmed. No doubt those who pay for cp encourage and contribute to these. However, those who do not pay for it does not. The logical consequence should be to distiguish betwen the two, since they are two distinctly different things. In practice, though, most arrests for posession of cp are the consequence of tracking payments to cp sites.
As to the moral depravity of indulging perverted fantasies, this is hardly the proper domain of law or state, unless someone gets hurt as a consequence of the indulgence. That is the case, no matter how many people are disgusted and outraged at the perversion, and no matter how deep this outrage is.
I do not claim that the prosecution of paedophiles can be compared to the persecution of suspected wiches, homosexuals, suspected communists and countless other groups in the past. The reason that such comparison is unjustified is the significant difference between acting on these things and acting on paedophilia. However, the concept that persecution is justified on the basis of outrage is the same, and is always unjustified.
Pubescent-girl lusters-after are not a problem. Kikes are the problem.
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Anonymous2007-12-28 15:59
>>700
Pubescent-girl lusters are kikes. Problem solved.
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Anonymous2007-12-28 23:35
>>701 No, it's not the same. Kikes are kikes. Period. No need to call them anything else. A kike is a kike. Is a kike. You fucking kike-lover. Go suck kike dick.
it's wrong because children don't understand it and it fucks them in a completely new way later. it's even more wrong when it's the kid's own parents.
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Anonymous2008-02-18 21:48
nature. it's also wrong, and pedos should be thrown in a deep dark hole and left to rot.
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Anonymous2008-02-19 11:18
The ONLY reason that human breasts are so large is to act as a fertility signal to males. Their inflated size, highly unusual amongst primates, serves no other purpose.
The point about Pedophilia: nature or nurture? is that it's a choice, and that choice is enabled by payments, and those payments are assisted by being as rich as Michael Jackson ... who has basically purchased access to children from their parents for YEARS.
If somebody wanted to basically feel up your little boy or girl, for $100K, would you do it? The statistics say that a lot of people would take the deal.
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Anonymous2008-02-19 13:09
Paedophilia as it today is a relatively new concept. Obviously baby fucking is sick and always has been, but teenagers have only become off-limits quite recently.
Being imprisoned for being attracted to teenage girls is wrong, If they've gone through puberty then they're obviously meant to be having sex right?
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Anonymous2008-02-19 18:50
pedos are the slime of humanity beyond any hope of redemption. The only cure for them is castration or killing.
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Anonymous2008-02-25 5:41
Shit, I'd let my child get feel up for $100k. I'd be like, how many times, when, and where. $100k up front each time.
Pedofags are blowing these laws out of proportion. They are a deterant to stop exploitation which can ruin people's lives. Without the deterant there is nothing to stop malicious individuals from taking advantage of vulnerable people. If your magical fantasy pedoland is somehow a reality and all pedos are upstanding members of society oppressed for their love of someone else then you shouldn't have a problem since if your target loves you and you have done nothing to wrong them then they won't call the cops, but if you ever do hurt them be sure you won't get away with it.
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Anonymous2008-02-29 13:26
>>715
I'd have multiple children, basically I would prostitute one or two to put the others through college and buy myself an M5 - too bad I can't get laid.
Since the dawn of human existence, man has sought feverishly for a hole to fill. Women have desperately sought something huge to fill their....minds...yeah. Both have cum up empty palleted and devilishly desired all forms of satisfaction. Bestiality and Pedophilia. Women were out getting action from the barn animals and guys were pumping away at their own children and the neighbors, if they happened to stop by unannounced. What is funny is some people's reactions like, "WHA! THAT'S DISGUSTING! THAT'S TERRIBLE! THAT'S A SIN! YOU'LL BURN FOR THAT!", type of talk which is funny considering that it's another human being that they are talking about...right? Oh, that's right, let's...for the sake of argument just call him a dirty devil and her a loose slut and that will settle everything, that'll seperate them from the rest of the human race...right? Well, in order to seperate them from their human bodies, you would have to burn them. Oh! This sounds familiar...let me guess...hold on, I know this one....rhymes with hippogrif... must be hypocrite! Yes! These fine fellow americans then partake in the lustfully repressed desires to smell searing flesh and watch popping eye-balls finally charred remains crumble like loosely gathered dust. And now we despise those that burnt these people...jeez, I don't know about you but I smell *sniff, sniff* the cycle of ignorance on the prowel. Shit! I myself have partaken of all manner of sin known to man, then I turned six, went to school began the painstaking journey of repression and self-defeatism that oh-so-many others have followed. I know what my sins are, but they are mine to keep, and I shall take them to my grave. What? Did you seriously think that I would ardently reveal my most secret of secrets, make myself vulnerable to snaut-nosed, key-stroking, jackoff'rs like scientologists? Cum an get me, bitches! I've got a trap begging to be sprung on your sorry carcasses. HAHAHA! I'll be roasting some marshmellow's by sun down upon the charred remains of all self-immolators. Especially neurotical Scientologists. I do have the science behind getting laid, but I prefer my own hands to those of a strangely hot woman that just wants to rest my balls on her chin and choad for a while. Plus, I get fringe benefits! No std's, no pregnancies, no commitments to stupid broads with no imagination and SUPER EGO's to match. I don't hate women, men, children, or animals; I just want them to remain in their place. Women, do the dishes and laundry; men, give me your hard earned cash; children, suck my sticky hairy ballzack clean, mom can help sometimes, but the dishes better be done first; animals, get in my BELLY! I have a hankering to SHIT YOU OUT! "Clean that SHIT up, woman! ...with your mouth!" I'm just fa'kin with ya'll. What? You didn't orgasm? TOO FA'KIN BAD, BITCH! HAHAHA!!! SPREAD THOSE CHEEKS AND PRAY TO GOD, THE NEXT THING YOU'LL FEEL IS THE DEVIL BEING EXERCISED FROM YOUR ASS! Well, how do all of you like that little rant? I thought it was funny, lol! It seems to be the way all humans behave, just those that do are more human and those that don't are what then...? I don't know, but I would assume that they need to get their heads out of their asses and start smelling roses instead of what they believe are roses, but is actually their own stink of SHIT! Yes, some people think their shit don't stink, even smells like roses. I've smelled ass, I've smelled roses; know what? They don't smell anything alike, and what the fuck is that smell? Oh, it's my own ass. Thank God I USE my senses to sift out the bullshit of ignorance from tommyknocking-lackies like scientologists and begin my own path to self-stupification. Thank you, thank you, you need only kneel at my feet and suck my sticky hairy ballzack. Thank you for your time, it was fun raping you of it. Dumbasses!
>>725
Pedos and furfaggots are both made of fail but pedos fail harder.
Furfaggots deep down know it's only a fantasy, and they may even go "jailhouse gay" to get somebody in a fursuit to suck their tiny pathetic dicks, but with furfaggots it's all consensual.
Pedos, on the other hand, rape babies and little kids. And if there's anything that's more pathetic than going jailhouse gay so that you can get your knob slobbed by somebody dressed as a chipmunk, it's sticking your dick in a crying five-year-old's ass.
Furfags fail but pedos fail harder. PROVE ME WRONG /NEWPOL/
>>726
It's carefags like you who give the inquisition of anon a bad name. I hate pedofags because they're fuck ups and trollbait not because they are immoral.
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Anonymous2008-04-26 2:35
>>727
has FAILED to prove me wrong. VICTORY IS MINE, FAGORTS
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Anonymous2008-04-26 8:02
>>728
PROTIP: You lost the moment you said "PRÖÖV ME RONG".
This is a rule.
Ok, for fuck's sake. Here's the low-down (not really a pun, but still...)
The Nature part is simple, guys want to put their dicks in holes cause of the urges, that's pretty self-explanitory, isn't it? And as far as the nurture goes, it better be pretty fucking pretentious of the nurturer to make sure the child represses all of their sexual urges towards little kids after they grow up. If the child themselves are molested or raped, it might become repressed and by that they would act compulsively reliving the same heightened sensations they recall from their childhood and thereby reaffirming their erotic nostalgic memories. Oh, but what happens to those that don't repress? oohh...good question. My guess, you'll hear about them being 50+ years old and having a 20 year old wife, but only after the fact will we ever really find out. Hehehe..."No one can stop me now, cause I don't care anymore..." -Nine Inch Nails
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Anonymous2008-04-26 21:26
>>737
This is why pedofags and furfags fail, they have no ability to introspect and understand their sexual urges. Everyone thinks about sex with everthing, I have thought about sex with pretty much all my friends, family, drainpipes, alligators, myself you name it. This doesn't mean I actually want to ram my tiny 8 incher into an alligator's swampy asshole, it merely crossed my mind, but if I ever did feel the urge to do so I would think about it more and analyse why I have these feelings. Furfags and pedofags come up with retarded fucking ideals surrounding their sexual urges "FURSECUTE ME AT YOUR PERIL". It's just fucking retarded...
My god, are you dense, >>738? Do you think everyone does that? And at the actual time of stimulation and heightened emotional and sexual arousal? I would guess that about 90% of people in the WORLD base their decisions off of their emotions instead of what you just said, so, congratulations you have what the upper 10% of people are desperately seeking, but never within themselves. So, by that same standard...you must be in a pretty wealthy family, fantastic schooling...only the best, and think the rest of the world is just like home. HUH? What? Get out more, talk to people and get involved in cooperation and communication. You'll find that people have their absolutes as all humans do, but they have their relativities as well. Their own personal quirks to discover. The most dangerous thing of all isn't that we are self-aware, the most dangerous thing is that we are self-aware of choice, but choose to remain ignorant. That is terrifies me the most, cause there's a person like that living in my house, there's a person like that in the White House, there's a person like that making decisions about aspects that affect our lives with complete disregard for the people that are going to be affected. If everything is going well in the White House, and the like everywhere; We should all be wealthy, we should all have our say, we should all respect ourselves and in doing so respecting others. Is this the case? How come? Oh, because we aren't involved, because we do what's popular for the moment, and anything that appears to be shameful we hide from, deny, get upset, are shocked, and find yourselves even more miserable after the fact then you did before. Stop disrespecting yourselves if you want my respect. I give more attention to those that disrespect because they are only damaging themselves, what do think depression comes from? It's our own actions, thoughts, emotions, and responses that coalesce, but the vast majority believes ever-so strongly that they aren't their emotions, actions, or words. What? HUH?!? That comes across as though they don't exist at all and carry themselves the same way. WHY? Don't they deserve all the great things in life, don't you? I know I do. Though I have to consistantly reaffirm that because of consistantly overwhelming disrespect I get from others through conversation and activities. It's WAR out there not some kiddy fun park! Very real people are dying! People that CARE about themselves, but fight to protect their rights, their freedoms, the property, their families, and their children. That is the nature of evil, to use other people's love against them, to pit brother against brother until man exists no more, to pour barbeque sause on the dog and novacane his legs until he eats himself to death. This is the world we live in, this is the battles we have to fight. Learn to do them with yourself, you will learn how to do them with everyone and everything. Cooperation and Communication, Moment by moment Measurements via money and time. Divide and conquer, do all of these and you BECOME through practice the very united overwhelming force that is in the world pitted against you; don't, end up 29 years old living at home with mom as a virgin and on unemployment out in the woods far from any civilization, just like me.
Start by locking yourself in a prison cell and practice getting your ass gang raped by inmates.
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Anonymous2008-09-02 21:58
An alternative would be for you guys to admit it is a paraphilia and delete all your CP and loli and stay away from kids until you've gone cold turkey enough for your sexuality to associate young women with sex again. At which point you can proceed to live a normal productive and more sexually satisfying life.
>>478
no man that would be 16-20 years for human females. early periods are results of society's effect on natural things such as the number of lighted hours, influenced by lamps.
Normal people are all ex-pedophiles. Twelve year old children are attracted to twelve year old children. Then normal people sexually mature.
Now go crawl back under those rocks, you sexually retarded creeps.
>>776
I remember having sexual fantasies as early as third grade. (7-8yo)
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Anonymous2009-10-16 4:02
>>777
i remember actually having homosex with another boy at about that age. he was one year older than me and we even used condoms that we stole from our parents.
i cant remember if i liked it, but i sure enjoyed getting a boner, as far as i can remember i liked playin with mah boner all the time.
heh....1 night in heaven for 10 years in prison. sound bout right
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Anonymous2009-12-19 5:37
Judaism is a disgusting religion, pedophilia is not a sexuality it's just a fetish, why would a human choose that fetish and then pretend it isn't. Seriously, what the fuck.
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Anonymous2010-03-23 9:45
why the fuck is there so many pedos on here..its fuckign nasty
I think you probably have both types OP. People who are predisposed to deviant sexual behavior (have a physical deformation or chemical issue) who aren't exposed to pedophilia but find that raping children is an outlet for their issue. I also think you have children who are raped who develop psychological trauma (like PTSD) from the event, and have that lead them to offend when they are older. So, it's probably not an issue of nature vs. nuture but something more complex than that.
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Anonymous2010-04-03 13:08
I think that guys can have sex with girls as long as they got a period
then its allll fine :)
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Anonymous2010-04-04 3:30
>>786
no that's wrong because they get their period before they've finished puberty
Gay marriage and pedophilia are a bit different, you see, gay marriage is marrying a person of the same sex, pedophilia is SCREWING A CHILD
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Anonymous2010-06-26 8:58
>>789
Faggots are depraved sexual deviants who will fuck anything that's warm and has a hole. Most of them prefer little boys and will fuck them whenever they don't think they'll get caught.
Faggotry = pedophilia, two words for the same thing.
I fantasize about sex with little girls all the time once i licked the pussy of an 8 yo girl and she was as sweet as a french vanilla icecream cone denny 509 429 5670 text
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Anonymous2010-08-25 8:54
Pedophilia is a way of life for Republicans and Catholics.
I wish it was! There's nothing wrong with a decrepit 83yo man that just wants to have sex with 13yo-17yo girls, including my own granddaughter and all her teenage friends from Sunnyvale High
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Anonymous2010-09-29 18:08
pedofilia is not even funny. theres some real sick shit on 4chan
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Anonymous2010-09-29 19:50
>>803
That's good, coming from someone who can't even spell it.
>>806
No, the proper spelling if he's Mexican would be "Pedrophile."
HTH. HAND.
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Anonymous2010-10-01 13:20
Everyone who rapes a child is a hero in my eyes. Fucking children, they think they're so funny and smart. Nothing pleases me more than reading about a child who lost its "innocence" to an uncle who whipped out his dick and anally raped it.
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Anonymous2010-10-01 20:27
I guess you'd know, >>809. Now bend over for Uncle Daddy.
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Anonymous2010-10-02 1:01
Babies are assholes. Always crying and being selfish as shit. All they do is eat and shit everywhere. A dog can do more.
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Anonymous2010-10-06 17:07
I never wanted to do any of those things as a child. I never was able to appreciate sexual acts when they were having me do it. I never ever liked it. It was only ever confusing, painful, and intimidating. I was not loved unless I was doing something sexual, and that was not fair. That made me feel as an object, not intrinsically valuable to those adults whose care I was forced into. I needed protection from the very people who were responsible for protecting me. IT IS ABUSE, I REMEMBER how I felt every time, and I felt this way BEFORE ANY of those so called "good" people told me it was wrong. This is not some conventional morality...it is beyond that. It is a societal convention BECAUSE of the principle of the matter...BECAUSE of the HARM it causes. You are wrong to think that children are attracted to you, children want non-sexual love and acceptance from adults. Children experiment with their bodies and with each other when they are young, but NOT with adults. Adults doing that with a child are abusive. Those children you harm will suffer for the rest of their lives because of what you do to them. I am not the only one who I know that knows this from personal experience. Please, PLEASE stop...and seek help.
I never wanted to eat of those things as a child. I never was able to appreciate vegetables when they were having me eat it. I never ever liked it. It was only ever confusing, painful, and intimidating. I was not loved unless I was eating vegetables, and that was not fair. That made me feel as an object, not intrinsically valuable to those adults whose care I was forced into. I needed protection from the very people who were responsible for protecting me. IT IS ABUSE, I REMEMBER how I felt every time, and I felt this way BEFORE ANY of those so called "good" people told me it was wrong. This is not some conventional morality...it is beyond that. It is a societal convention BECAUSE of the principle of the matter...BECAUSE of the HARM it causes. You are wrong to think that children are attracted to vegetables, children want non-vegetable food and acceptance from adults. Children experiment with their foods and with drinks when they are young, but NOT with vegetables. Adults doing that to a child are abusive. Those children you harm will suffer for the rest of their lives because of what you do to them. I am not the only one who I know that knows this from personal experience. Please, PLEASE stop...and seek help.
To the "I am one REAL pedophile....have you ever spoken to a grown woman or man who has had the misfortune of meeting up with the evilest and most vile scum...a pedophile. Obviously by your grammer and bizarre sentence structure you, Mr. 495 are either schizophrenic or psychotic. You should thank whoever your God is that you cannot think clearly. You are a monster. A grown man who must have either a prepubescent girl or boy. The child's self is damaged by you and for those that do not take their own lives later in life, healing from sexual abuse, molestation, incest takes almost a lifetime. You do not care about the child. A child needs our protection and love and guidance and moral example. No child needs or wants...they are too young to make an educated decision and you leave them no choice. You force a child. You are going deep into the recess of Hell one day and imagine what you have done to other's will be done to you a million times over day and night. Pedophiles are like dogs with rabies. They need to be put down and removed from society. We are finding you. And if it is so right to do what you do...why do you hide behind a computer number.
A pedofilia aqui no Brasil é comum, sempre pego putinhas de 12, 13 anos... Tenho 45.
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Anonymous2012-03-17 21:05
So it may not fit under the conventional definition of pedophilia but what about those who would seek a non-sexual romantic relationship with a child?
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Anonymous2012-03-17 21:31
>>825
Never. A relationship should be comprised of two individuals who are attracted to each other based on the mutual respect they feel for each other. Children simply don't have the life experience to be someone whom you can to respect and value more than anyone else. Most adults don't meet the grade either.
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Anonymous2012-03-17 23:54
>>826
You don't think children can be worthy of respect? Let me tell you a little story. I was flying back in from out west, and at the end of the plane ride, this little girl in front of me was given a pair of fake plastic pilot's wings by one of the attendants. You know, with the airline's logo and a little pin on the back, a souvenir. Well, her brother sitting across the aisle saw it later and began complaining that he had not gotten one. Right away, the girl proposes a solution: she offers to share it with him.
Well, you might say that this was because she had been taught from an early age to not be selfish, but hell, isn't any respect-worthy act or trait just a product of social conditioning and circumstance?
Children aren't always the little dim-witted naive halflings many make them out to be. They haven't been around the block, of course, but they can be remarkably sharp with the things they have learned. They can also be quite perceptive. Not all are like this, but you acknowledged that most adults don't meet your grade. It's best not to paint with broad brushes in either case, and I know you recognize this.
Also, many single parents with one kid would disagree with your second sentence.
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Anonymous2012-03-18 5:14
I think we must protect our kids, but, on the other hand, we should kill Jewish kids, so that they will extinct as they must, because of being danger to our kids.
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Anonymous2012-03-18 5:15
>>827
>You don't think children can be worthy of respect?
I said respect and value more than anyone else. Sure, you can admire a child for... sharing but such an action alone cannot possibly instil a feeling of love in a person.
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Anonymous2012-03-18 5:17
>>827 this little girl in front of me was given a pair of fake plastic pilot's wings by one of the attendants.
Why do parent allow their kids be a free advertising banners for globalistic corporations?
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Anonymous2012-03-18 6:04
Pedophilia: nature or nurture?
Seems to be both. Most pedophiles are Jewish and the Jews have different nature and nurture from us. Jews, like Richard Goldberg and Michael Verbitsky, don't see that raping a goyim kid is a crime or amoral, because for a Jew raping your kid is like raping a cattle or a sex doll. And no, Jews don't respect your kids. There is much truth in blood libels.
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Anonymous2012-03-19 1:11
>>831
I dunno about the Jews, but people like that I'd very much like the chance to kill.
>>829
Both you and I know one should't take one small act to justify love. That was an example.
To answer OP, I know a pedophile. She set it up like a joke, "Hey, you know how I came out about being gay? Anon, I'm a also a pedophile." So I just stared at her blankly for a few seconds. "I really am. I like little girls." It took her a minute to convince me she was for real. I didn't believe anybody would just say it like that. Conventionally, you're supposed to despise pedos, I did, but I couldn't bring this sentiment against her.
She explained to me that she did have a sexual component to her attraction, but she said it was worse when she was away from children. "Look at them. The girls." she said once when we we hung out at an outdoor mall, "Don't check them out, just watch what they do. They enjoy life when left to themselves. They don't care about all that crap adults worry about. They're happy. They're creative." She said biology caused her lust, and that it was largely overridden in their presence. No, not every pedophile is like her. Those that you hear about on the news, they are the predators, the ones that see children as objects.
Based on what she's said, if she were to have a relationship with a child it would be similar to a mother-daughter relationship, with less time spent on general childcare and more on teaching/learning and fun. Asymmetrical, yes, but actually selfless. She said it would certainly be seen as "romantic" because she would not be the mother, and that there was a massive social stigma against anything of the sort, though she admitted it was for good reason. She says the most frustrating part is this, that there are horrible people whose existence prevents what she says would exist for the sole reason of making a child happy. A mentor, a friend, a lover in a non-sexual way (I'm paraphrasing a bit here but she was fairly poetic about it).
I don't know if I would agree in her position.
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Anonymous2012-03-19 14:10
>>832
>Both you and I know one should't take one small act to justify love.
I don't know why you brought it up then. It wasn't really relevant to the discussion.
>that there was a massive social stigma against anything of the sort
But there's not. A woman being friends with a younger girl is pretty normal and wouldn't turn a single head anywhere.
>a lover in a non-sexual way
Isn't that a contradiction?
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Anonymous2012-03-19 21:53
>Isn't that a contradiction?
Usually it's used with a sexual connotation but the actual definition is not as exclusive.
>I don't know why you brought it up then. It wasn't really relevant to the discussion.
You seemed to imply children could not be worthy of respect. An act like that isn't necessarily indicative of a child's personality but if we extrapolate, theoretically, it might be. In any case, the type of respect we hold for kids might not be the same that we do for other adults, but it's not impossible to feel respect for a child. Generosity, creativity, curiosity, a generally cheerful disposition—I can admit admiration and even respect for these things.
>But there's not. A woman being friends with a younger girl is pretty normal and wouldn't turn a single head anywhere.
You would think. This girl babysits sometimes, and she's told me about parents who set surprisingly strict rules on her. I'm not just talking about the kids' bedtime, what they can eat, how much TV they can watch, or any of those kinds of things, she says she's been hired by parents who specifically tell her not to touch the children in any way or talk with them about anything "serious." One mother even told her daughter not to bother her unless it was extremely important because she had schoolwork to do (though she hadn't brought any).
She also had a story about a workaholic mother who changed sitters after my friend took her daughter to see a movie. She said the daughter had asked if she could take her and that mother had actually been alright with it the first time. Apparently the second time time she asked the mom permission to take the kid to a movie, the mom acted really apprehensive. The mom called her later and explained that they needed to change sitters because they were tightening down financially. Didn't change her mind after my friend offered to lower her price considerably. She hadn't done anything that could have remotely been construed as anything bad to the daughter, so she guessed that the father had taken some kind of issue with the movie thing.
In all honesty I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, adopting her point of view a bit. Even after being told about this by her several months ago, I'm still not sure what to think. It's an interesting discussion though.
487 contradicted his her self stating i am intelligent enough to know that it is not natural and then said society causes many unatural anomalies.it is society that sees peadophilia as bad but attitudes change along with womans rights and homosexuality that was removed from the dsm and is considered natural.
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