Pedophilia: nature or nurture?

Have you ever known an ex-pedophile?

I'm 14 and I have a COMPLECKZ

>>27

By your logic mastubation, having sex with a woman while wearing a condom, having any orgasm at all that doesnt produce children doesnt make sense. Take a "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" pill and stfu

>>27

By your logic mastubation, having sex with a woman while wearing a condom, having any orgasm at all that doesnt produce children doesnt make sense. Take a "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" pill and stfu

pedos gtfo

The current political climate of pedophilia being completely unnaceptable is recent. As little as 100 years ago, there was no crime in sex with 12 year olds. Different eras and peoples have different attitudes towards this. In Roman times, for instance, sex with little boys was completely normal and expected. Today we concoct scientific justifications for the belief that sex with children is harmful to them, but there's little evidence of this. In fact Kinsey largely refuted the idea decades ago and there's almost no study of it today. It's taken as gospel truth. To be sure, forcing anyone into sexual relations is harmful, but to assume that all sex with children is, by nature, forced is so incorrect as to be completely divorced from reality.

i think you are divorced from reality

>Today we concoct scientific justifications for the belief that sex with children is harmful to them,

dont need to concoct anything, poll children who were abused before they were mature, statistics prove you wrong

again, pedos gtfo

Pædophilia is the result of nurture. Compare the levels of pædophilia in authoritarian nations like Japan (ie extremely high) with levels in less authoritarian nations such as some European nations. Unless you're a white supremacist, the implications are clear.

If pædophilia is genetic, then how do we deal with it? Eugenics? Wonderful idea, we all saw how nice it worked for Hitler and preWWII Amerika. Millions of people sterilized or even killed. Is that something we really want to return?

Pædophilia is the result of nurture. Compare the levels of pædophilia in authoritarian nations like Japan (ie extremely high) with levels in less authoritarian nations such as some European nations. Unless you're a white supremacist, the implications are clear.

If pædophilia is genetic, then how do we deal with it? Eugenics? Wonderful idea, we all saw how nice it worked for Hitler and preWWII Amerika. Millions of people sterilized or even killed. Is that something we really want to return?

>>87
Actually, eugenics would work really well with pedophilia.  Supposing that pedophilia were to be 100% genetic, the only reason pedos breed is that they can't get their hands on lolis.  Just have a government-run system of loli distribution for pedos and they won't be able to procreate.  Problem solved :D

>>87
Actually, eugenics would work really well with pedophilia.  Supposing that pedophilia were to be 100% genetic, the only reason pedos breed is that they can't get their hands on lolis.  Just have a government-run system of loli distribution for pedos and they won't be able to procreate.  Problem solved :D

>>85

As recently as 35 years ago child pornography was fully legal.  Magazines such as "How to Seduce Your Daughter" were sold along with the rest of the naughy rags.

fucking pedos

gtfo

>>91

in denmark maybe, not in the US FUCKING A.

I seriously doubt there were magazines on how to seduce your daughter. It sounds like an urban legend to me.

As for the gov-loli idea, keep in mind that the republican party hates both pædophilia and government intervention in the economy. :)

Also, I think the term is nymphet or Lolita, not loli (which appears to be a back formation from lolikon)

It would not work well.  The government is barely able to deliver mail.  It would be like the DMV, where everyone has to wait in line all day to get to the window just before they close it.

By the time you got your loli, she wouldn't be a loli any more.

>>86

Read >>85 correctly, he said

 "To be sure, forcing anyone into sexual relations is harmful, but to assume that all sex with children is, by nature, forced is so incorrect as to be completely divorced from reality."

And then you mention _abused_ kids? Abuse is harmfull, nomatter what age.

>>95

And of course, there is the problem of getting them. Where would the government acquire thousands of little girls?

>>94

No, it is true. I saw a documentary on the History channel about it, but it was in scandenavia, esp. denmark where it was happining in the late 60's early 70's. The gov. had to rethink their total legalization of porn and added anti-CP laws.

>>97
what do you think we're REALLY in iraq for

>>99
Also, this idea could be used to take some pressure off the orphanages and juvenile detention centers and such.  Two birds with one stone, as it were.

And they could institute a Loliclone program.

And they could institute a Loliclone program.

I'd say nurture always beats nature.

>>103

Then should we execute all the pædophiles on the spot? In fact, lets just execute all criminals on the spot if their behavior is genetic.

>>103

Then should we execute all the pædophiles on the spot? In fact, lets just execute all criminals on the spot if their behavior is genetic.

>>104
hey why not.
if we do that, then we'll end up with super-smart criminals and law abiders.
that is not a very good combination

Just my half a cent.

Pedophilia is mostly nurture (like most things).
That being said, let me share this thought. (Please forget about abuse. Anyone can be abuse and it's wrong in any of those cases. This is about a "caring" relationship for lack of a better word.)

You like (not using love) a post-pubecent child. You are an "adult" (used loosely). If the relationship is consensual and caring then I believe it's ok. If you care for the child though, you would not want to screw them up by introducing them to "things" too early. This screws kids up (although not all of them). So to prevent them from future pain you should wait. I don't find anything wrong with this kind of relationship but the odds of disturbing the child are against you. If you truly do care, you would wait. If I were is this situation I would. If you don't, you are a horny fucker that should be far away from kids.

If you lust for kids (i.e. just sexual) then you should get help or have a lot of WILL POWER. Note that the previous paragraph implies more than just sex.

BTW, pedos with no restraint and abuse a kid should be shot. Enough money is spent keeping minorities in jail. Cut the finincial umbilical cord. And distributers od child pornography (not loli) should just be killed. The kids are being abused and they are driving down the collective morality of humanity.

Just half a cent.

my half a cent, cuz i'm not gonna waste a penny on this.

like 107, if the relationship is between a post-pubecnt child and an adult goes a little more then parental care, it should not be for sexual reasons, from either side. i dun believe that a relationship buit on sex is ever a good idea. a relationship built on love n care is all good no matter the age of either side. because a true relationship should be love of the person, from lust or pleasure, and those who only live for those should be shot too. if ur that selfish, that u wouldn't care what kind of effect u'd have on ur partner, both mentally and physically, then u don't deserve to have someone and should be put to sleep like the dog u are.

i dun believe pedos, like gays, are a bad thing. itz just a pereference, but if u really care bout that person, consider ur actions and their effects.

>>108

So when does the child become an adult?  I think you have the right ideas, though, waiting for both physical and mental maturity before sex can be -- what it was meant to be -- a pleasureable thing for both parties.  But again, when?

18?  16?  Law in many American states says 16 is the age when one can give consent for sex, but what about two 14 year olds who want to pork?  Anything wrong with that?   If not, what's wrong with a 14 year old and a 24 year old?  (Other than the obvious exploitation and influence problems, but we're assuming it's truely consentual.)

i mean if they really feel for each other, and they wanta do something like that then by all means, but remember not everyone developes the same, if the person is imature seriously, then no matter the age, itz not a good idea. itz up to the partners to decide when's the best time, and hopefully one if not both will have good judgment (as in maturity). i know relationships where one person is legal but so mentally imature he should be castrated, and i know a girl who's illegal, but so mature she can screw anyone she wants cuz i know she's responsible enough. there are some people in the world that are responsible enough to handle a relationship. for the other's who aren't mature enough, should wait till they're ready, and for those who'd neva mature, should be shot.

>>110

I'm sure that I would have paid much more attention to your arguments had you presented them in proper English.

Anyway, my thoughts are pretty standard on this issue. Not surprisingly, being an enormous geek and never having the self-esteem or the percieved "innate ability" to develop friendships with girls throughout my school years (a function of both the way I was treated by peers, and the way I acted in general -- not all of what people did to bully me was unjustified, as I was an annoying fucking prick), I pretty much went through the 19 years of my life completely oblivious to the actual behavioral patterns of females. Never having kissed, cuddled, held hands, dated, and of course never having sex, I developed elaborate notions and preconceptions about ideals and morals when dealing with relationships.

As a result, I get offended and downright angry when hearing of anyone between the ages of 12 and 20 even thinking of sexual encounters. This isn't really from a religious or moral perspective (even though I do consider myself more morally upright than these people due to my extreme chastity, and I am completely not religious in any way), but more because I'm pretty much extremely jealous of the fact that all a female has to do is step out of her house and she is chased after by males.

When reading a pamphlet I picked up on how to get a girl, it's got about ten to fifteen "tips" such as "Myth: being a nice guy won't get you anywhere" and "Bad Idea: letting her know how you feel too early on", with explanations and a paragraph for each one. All in all, it's pretty much telling me, the budding Casanova, that I should be going out of my way to try and give off an artificial vibe that most people aren't even born with.

Then looking at the section where it says "how to get a guy", I see that there is not a tip to be found. How will these poor girls ever learn how to get a boyfriend? Well, instead of seeing pointers and tips on courtship rituals, I see a fucking BOOK REVIEW COPY-PASTED FROM AMAZON.COM. And the book review isn't even about how to get a boyfriend -- it's about how to adapt to changes in your already existing relationship.

So they're saying that basically all girls have to do is get out of bed in the morning and they're all set with finding a boyfriend? That they don't even have to expend any effort? And meanwhile us guys are sitting here never even having had the chance to see a girl honestly laugh and smile from being happy at just being around, while the guys that go out and exude auras of masculinity are running around wooing every attractive female he sets eyes on? What is wrong with this picture?

These are the kinds of things that I think about whenever I think about relationships. Of course I don't want to have a relationship based upon sex or physical attraction -- for one I don't consider myself to be that perfect of a human male specimen, and therefore don't really think it's worth it to dress a certain way or wear a certain cologne or spend my time in certain places just for the sake of attracting mates. Another thing to consider is the fact that I don't exactly enjoy going out and partying or getting drunk with random people or any of that bullshit, so these tips are useless to me because they are aimed at the stereotypical "college culture" demographic.

The idea of having a relationship ultimately grounded on physical attraction is pretty sickening to me. Ideally, I would meet and be friends with a girl my age, with similar interests and as much relationship experience as I have had (namely, none), and whose close friendship based on a genuine regard for and true liking of each other basically developed out of human nature into something more intimate, sharing our first experiences together.

In saying these things, yes, I realize that they are sophomoric and very naive. However, I recognize that I am also incredibly naive, and have the social ability of maybe a 12-year-old. I'm shy, don't like myself much at all, don't have any real sense of responsibility (I spend all my time on the internet and spending my paychecks on buying anime and shit rather than study for classes, do homework, or pay college bills -- I know that it's hurting people who are pulling their weight and more to get me through college, and here I am taking all that effort they're investing in me and throwing it in the toilet), and will probably end up alone and relatively friendless for the rest of my life, if I don't just get sick of breathing and kill myself. I don't enjoy being here much, there's nothing that I want to accomplish, nothing I'm working toward, I'm sitting here using up substance and not providing anything in return.

On top of that, I have the internal opinion that any girl who has had more than one sexual relationship in the space of two years before the age of 20 is a fucking dirty, disgusting, filthy whore -- regardless of the circumstances of these relationships. Girls who lose their virginity before reaching 20 or so are also seen as sluts, and anyone with piercings or tattoos or who listens to popular music or who uses chat abbreiations or who goes out to drink or party or involves themselves in any way with a fraternity or a sorority or anything like that... those people are morons and I feel disgusted even speaking with them.

continued from >>111

As you can tell, these attitudes and biases and thought processes are not very normal. In fact, I became quite depressed that at the age of 18, the last girl I ever knew who was a virgin lost it to some fucking prick who wooed her, had sex with her (from what I heard, not in the most compassionate way -- he basically just went at it), and dumped her within the space of two months. Whether this was out of compassion, feeling for what she'd lost by this, or whether I was actually just fucking jealous that every single person that I knew had had at least ONE sexual encounter, I have no idea and am scared to find out the answer.

It is thus that I come to the way I feel. Yes, I am sexually attracted to girls my age. I am NOT attracted to what 99.9999% of all girls my age ARE. In fact, I don't even want to associate myself with them. Even if I were to not completely loathe every one of the girls who were like that, they would soon find that I was completely unskilled in even how to talk to them, or where to go, or what to do, or anything like that, and they would move on to find someone who was able to roll with it where I was basically wanting her to teach me how to behave when dating or whatever, since I obviously don't have the innate ability to do so.

And even if you're not born with the ability to interface well with other people, (though some are better predisposed to it than others are), you still have to learn these things through social contact. I was never able to experience the greater amount of the social aspect of the years between being 11 in 7th grade and 15 in 11th grade. I just never got it. Thus the only way I can ever get it, to catch up to the years that I missed, (since I'm obviously not ready for social interaction at the adult level at this point in time), is to go back and immerse myself in groups of people with my social age. Unfortunately I'm 19 and the people with my social age are all 14 or 15.

And here I come to my dilemma. Since girls my own age are both completely out of my league or interest (and none of them would ever EVER consider me as a potential boyfriend), and I actually have more people in the 14-16 age bracket who like me than in my own age bracket, I have found that girls in that age are generally sweeter, more understanding of my situation, usually at my level in terms of their experience with the opposite sex, and don't have the problem where they feel they have to go out and drink and fuck random people every night.

Of course, even at the most optimistic of estimates, I am on speaking terms with two girls total, one of whom I haven't talked to in nearly a year and who I've heard is entering a relationship at this time, and the other is pretty much someone who I've found myself getting attracted to out of sheer necessity; even though everything about her sets off alarms. She subscribes to the gothic "subculture", listens to that fucking horrible "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH" music, has cut herself, has many friends in the age group of 18-25, and considers school to be a place where she is oppressed by teachers who dislike her and students who shun her. Once, in November, we made plans to hang out (I'd like to mention at this time that this isn't some random girl I met in the Junior High playground. She has been good friends with my younger brother since they were both in 3rd grade, so we've known each other, though it's only recently that we've actually TALKED.) for a few days. Being the fucking pussy that I am, I was unable to call her house myself, having to ask my brother to do it for me; when we did meet up, I found myself starting to think about her in ways that I really didn't want to think about her (wanting to hug her every ten seconds, playfully poking her every once in a while, things like that) that I realized were my feeble attempts at subconsciously trying to flirt with this girl who was five years younger than me and a freshman in High School. I talk to her online fairly often, she says that she wants to spend more time with me (even if I say it first a lot of the time), and I've recognized that if I don't keep myself in check I might end up acting in a way that could get me into trouble -- trying to kiss her, urging her to cuddle, trying to hold her hand or something.

I have been worried for some time because I have thought of her sexually a few times, even though I don't think I would ever touch her (she's not stupid and told me that she knew all along how I was feeling and acting... she has been in relationships before so I realize that this is not who I want to set my attention to for a possible first girlfriend -- age barrier not withstanding)... I have therefore just started speaking to her less and less in an effort to wean myself from the only real female contact I have had for nearly a year.

So basically, this is where I stand. I've pretty much been forced into a situation where my only options for a relationship lie in girls who according to the law and the values of society are jailbait. Not only that-- but sexually, it's not the breasts, or the vagina, or other secondary or primary sexual characteristics that give me the most intense sexual stimulation: I have a foot fetish. Thus it's technically possible (and there have been instances in my life where this has happened) that sexually I am attracted to girls of any age, barring of course the obviously disgusting seven year olds. For Christ's sake, when I was 15 my brother's friend, a 10-year-old girl, slept over at the house a few times, and every time she was over I licked her feet while she was sleeping. Of course I also did it to my cousin who was the same age as me, at around the same point in time (said cousin three years later then got fucking pregnant and now lives in the fucking ghetto doing drugs -- the mother's side of the family is full of trash and losers, you British folk call them chavs I guess), and a few times while at friends' houses I have satisfied myself sexually with the feet of their sisters.

So basically I have the potential to be aroused by the feet of a twelve-year-old at this point right now, and if I had the chance I would probably act on it; wouldn't touch her sexually, that doesn't interest me much, if I did anything I'd probably ogle her feet and maybe touch them if she'd let me.

So now you get the idea of just how fucked up I am.

If ands and they should be shot. wow this is relly going sumwhere hu.

>>113

...what? That made no sense.

>>111-112 ........ wow just wow

>112

ahahahahaha holy fucking shit

wow, fucking internet

>>112
aah yes foot licker pedo, we've met before

all i read was:
>>I'm sure that I would have paid much more attention to your arguments had you presented them in proper English.
>>So now you get the idea of just how fucked up I am.
EMO

Dude eaither wait or date older women you fucking sick pervert.

Nobody's life is perfect.  Quit bitching.

You are not morally upright.  There is no such thing as being morally upright, as morals are completely subjective.

Stop concerning yourself with the lives of others, unless you are going to actually help them.

Stop expecting things to be given to you and start taking.

Accept yourself.  Understand that mainstream society will reject you for what you are, so you must accept youself. Understand that as long as you hurt no one, no one can decry you as evil.