Pedophilia: nature or nurture?

Have you ever known an ex-pedophile?

any argument for letting kids have sex with each other but not letting adults have sex with kids is what causes pedophilia

i expect kids tobe inserted with gigantic dick which kids doesnt have.

zOMG KIDS ARE HAWT!

Copy of B/ discussion

-people with lolita fetish are not HUMAN!
-Yotsuba's so fucking cute and sweet. ... some additional lovemaking, I'd stuff her in a bin bag. Three Weeks later, some playing children will find her mutilated and desecrated body in the forest. They will be scarred for life.
-What's the matter pussies, can't take the heat? Damn lolis, how can people be so sick right? Lolicon, pedophilia, all just too closely related to think about...too much for you is it? Aw poor guys.
-Lol you need to die. Enjoy your grave, fucking pervert.
-labelling someone a pervert?
what an intolerant society here, you can't accept another person's sexual preferences just because you yourself chose not to practice them?
-well at some point intolerance comes into play. its not like people are gonna cheer for rape
-this is /b/. there is irony in calling people on /b/ perverts.
-it just happens that the particular fetish in question (differing from mere drawings) usually involves someone who is unable to give consent, and therefore cannot be validated on the same plane as most fetishes or paraphilia.
-Alright, well, I rest pretty easily in the fact that like me, you'll have to die. At least I can take some kind of joy in that fact. People like you don't really deserve to live, as you take sexual pleasure from things which aren't meant to be sexually gratifying. Oh, but I don't question anything because I think it's wrong to lust over another sentient being who isn't properly developed enough to make responsible decisions.
-please die child rapists.
you are sick - that's all.
-You're just taking what you think is correct for granted, I'm not talking only about lolicon. And I may die, but the lolicon never will~ in any case, stfu <3
-omg liberal media feeds us "truth" that pedophilia is a psychological illness lawl

Copy of B/ discussion part 4
-Actually read that again, I was criticizing him for having to lash out at people who think morals are correct...
-okay, so...
I would fuck a little girl. Maybe she won't like it, maybe she'll resist or scream or even die, you know what? I won't care, as long as I'm satisfied. You people can curse and bitch and go all "omg u r sick", but I won't care. Cause everything that matters to ME is my OWN happyness, something which is -gasp- only natural for any normal human being, you acting up and feeling so good about yourselves only proving it!

PS, no I would not really fuck a little girl (as it happens not to be what makes ME happy, which is pure coincidence), but you see my point don't you? Talking about what is right and what is wrong seems pretty pointless, you know?
-you should be shot.
-"Talking about what is right and what is wrong seems pretty pointless, you know?"  You fail at philosophy
-Although once somewhat more lenient in regards to ages concerning maturity, modern western judo-christian standards are much more stringent practitioners not in North America/Europe let alone other religions/societies.

And although sexual activity was not promoted back then, the individuals in question were capable of making such decisions at an age that now, would probably be considered by many far too young for them to make any kind of reasonable decision.

If you're going to argue against manipulation and exploitation of non-consenting and trully ignorant children, go for it. If you're going to make blanket statements and use sensasionalist terms (rape this and that) to try and create illusions of absolutes as justification for more extreme measures to be taken...

well nevermind this is the internet. I'll just end by calling into question your character/honesty, comparing you to hitler, and going LOL INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!

Copy of b discussion part 5
-This kind of hedonistic attitude is what starts wars anyhow. Like it's been said, when you hold no regard for others, they will hold no regard for you. By your own logic you deserve to die, many times, as there are people who are eager to kill you for your "happiness".
-yes, yes, that's exactly the kind of reaction I love to see from guro/lolicon/etc! Please do it again
-You're some fat fuck who masturbates to childpron.
You are not cool, rebelious, cynical or something else.
You are just fucking misserable.
-Maybe we should just lock up all selfish bastards willing to screw other humans over for their own pleasure (not survival) whethere it's sadistic murder or rape or deliberately making someone starve so you can wear more bling.

Copy of B discussion part 2 (yes the board ate it)
-Lol it's /b/, it doesn't matter what the fuck you say here, eat shit and die. Either way, yeah you're cool for being "rebellious". It's pretty easy to use logic to come up with something like it's wrong to enforce your will over something like children and violate them. And most other fetishes are simple psychological disturbances as sex is an act for reproduction, so therefore it makes no sense to use it for anything else. Nice try defending perverts though. :)
-Taking sexual pleasure from things that aren't meant to be sexually gratifying? Die for lusting over something that doesn't want it or is incapable of understanding the extent of your feelings?
Well ir, unless you've only jacked off to your one and only spouse, after she told you trhat she was well aware of your feelings (which anyone can SAY) then you're probably guilty of it to.
Child rape is sick. Lolicon is... unsettling. Any kind of fetishe and lust after non-consenting stuff in general? Very few males on the planet who aren't guilty of that, and the vast majority are perfectly healthy, sane, functional individuals relatively speaking.
-Little girls make my penis hard and you guys can bitch and whine about it or whatever, I won't care. How did you get to /b/ anyway? hahaha
-When your sexual pref. not only always involves rape but is a crime against nature (even animals don't fuck the undevelopped young) then you ARE a criminal & a pervert. Your sexuality is utterly SELFISH, there can be no pleasure or consent from your partner. The only way for you to have sex is to emotionally and physically torture another human. Put it how you like: it's the truth. Many are willing to admit it.
There are no two ways about it:
No consent or understanding of sex=rape
Undevelopped body=physical harm
Prepubescent=no desire=emotional harm
Looking at real c/p=supporting a rapist
Looking at or creating drawn c/p=spreading false ideas that kids enjoy it.
Tho not all lolikon turn into pedos you can't ignore the tiny % who will turn to real porn or kids.
If you really love kids (more than your dick) you will understand the will to get rid of c/p and may think of castrating yourself (as many have done before) in order to never hurt a child.
-"Prepubescent=no desire=emotional harm"
you should see some of the loli stories they have in jp adult magazines. some of those lolis are like YES GIVE ME DA COCK NOW and the teacher/older brother/etc is like "uhh okay" and the loli is like YAY
-whatever, posting some more loli to piss you off
-If you can get idiots to belive that aliens are among us with a few films books and comics then you can be sure there are lolikon out there who think that their next door neighbours daughter is actually begging for sex when she comes round to ask for butter.
-"even animals don't fuck the undevelopped young"
If you mean less than sexual maturity then you're wrong. Many animals can and will sex with stuff even if it's a different species or not of sexual maturity. This is especially true of more intelligent animals like apes and whales, who will have sex for reasons other than procreation.
Not all guys with little girls are rapists. Yeah, there are some younger females who have a sexual relationship with an older male and actually grow up not crazy/damaged/blah blah. Not enough to say everyone go nuts, but you should cut out the sensationalism.
Does lolicon in anime in general support child rapists? Does guro hentai support necrophilia or murder rapists? Does x porn support x rapists? Juries still kidn of out on that one.

Copy of B discussion part 3 (yes the board ate it)

-Well, people are gonna believe whatever shit they want to, in the end. So those with similar morals might as well get together and just wipe out the anomalies, like the loli and guro fetishists already. No jail or anything, just a quick dispatch. Clean up the gene pool and make the species a little more orderly.
-And you can get idiots to believe that there's no such thing as a sexually interested or active pre-teen.
-If someone's gonna rape a kid, he's not gonna wait to read it in a manga first. Shouldn't blame these in my opinion, could actually have the opposite effect of what you say as statistics seem to support (not that statistics are accurate, but in any case).
-They'd come back. You can never elimnate "anamolies". Just be careful of who you put in charge or they might come killing anyone who engages in oral sex, handjobs, mutual masturbations, or likes sex for reasons other than procreation- citing it as "unnatural".
-Why must you fuckers think that sexually active means emotionally capable? Fucking teenagers for the most part aren't even emotionally capable for sex. They end up having it and then they get fucked up over it.
-child porn involves rape yes it should be banned as should any form of "glorified rape" (thats when the woman is shown to be enjoying it) because it encourages anti-social sexuality. rape is not the same as glorified rape, murder is not the same as glorified murder. Books that teach people to kill are illegal (the terrorist handbook with poison and explosive formulas) why not books that make rape seem like a nice thing!
If we can jail a politician for inciting a lynching (you don't have to follow his orders but some will!) then we should be able to jail a lolikon artist for inciting a rape in the minority of people who don't ever understand another way of having sex.
-Yeah everyone pretty much needs to die, but sometimes I get to thinking that maybe humans can create an equilibrium where there isn't much violence/instability, and that involves removing people who would think about having sex with children among others.
-and why exactly does child porn have to be rape?
-prepubescent not preteen dumbass
I was 10 and a half when I first had my period and started thing about sex...sure I wasn't ready for any sexual activity before 16 at least.
gah after all, does it matter how old the kid is? What counts most is consent or lack thereof.
-Because it's sex with an unconesnting individual you jackass. The fact of the matter is nobody wants to teach their children about sex, so they aren't informed. You don't like that? Well too bad, cuz the majority of people don't like you, and all it boils down to in the end is the will of the majority, so keep whining.
-Avergae loss of virginity is age 17. That means a good percentage lose it before and after that age. Teenagers are in general less emtionally mature than adults sure, but not every person below the age of your choosing is totally ignorant about their bodies, desires, and feelings, and not everyone above that age are perfectly aware of theirs.
Physical and emotional sexual maturity, if most of human society over the past couple thousand years is any indication- occurs between ages 14 and 18.
Again, I'm not saying that everyone should go out and start having sex as soon as they turn X years old, but that the age at which a person can engage in a healthy sexual relationships with no ill effects is generally younger than western judo-christian culture generally gives them credit for.
But very few (not even full grown women) appreciate the sexual advances of some random 30+ year old unattractive male stranger.
-True. Many child abuse victims don't understand what happened to them and think it is either natural to be hurt by adults or that they did something bad to deserve it.
Kids need to be taught what sex is, who is it for, how it works and how to recognize someone who is touching you where he/she is not allowed to. Children need to know that they can say 'no' if they don't want to be touched/have sex...and that anything that happen to them is not their fault.
-What I love about lolicon, guro, pedophilia, rape, is not whether it's arousing or not as much as the fact that it holds nothing sacred. I see it as a nice big FUCK YOU to all the fags who whine and bitch about anything they've been taught is wrong existing.
-It actually has little to do with judeo-christian culture, as judeo-christians used to get married at younger ages in the past as well. It has more to do with advancing society and the things you need to learn to be able to survive in the world and raise a family, which take many more years to cultivate; and before you're physically, emotionally and possibly financially capable for raising a family, sexual activity is not usually promoted. It is tolerated, but ideally since sex is a reproductive act it is encouraged to be held off until such a time.
-Oh, and also, fuck you for not being content to just live your own stupid life and having to retaliate at the people who believe they should hold morals, fuckwad hypocrite.
-so if somedbody comes over and cracks your skull open with a stone, since morals are "Lo2l"O!11 FOR FUCK LAMoRRzrZZR"!!!!" that's fine too?
Morals are the little thing that differs a human from an ape.
But fucking child molester scumm like you, who tries to act tough on the internet, probably is not willing to understand that.
-I'm all for freedom of speech but by definition "my freedom stops where yours starts". The rights to be a pedophile/rapist stop when they infringe on the right of a child/person to choose to have sex and live life unharmed.
I and many others here are fine with most deviancies: BDSM, coprophilia, age-difference etc as long as both (or more) parties are consenting.
A person who says no or a child who doesn't understand sex or want it is not a consenting partner.
As for animals, I really don't know.
Anyhow what counts is that many hentai guro and lolikon/shotacon depict rape as opposed to the fetishist stuff in which tops and bottoms come together in agreement to have sex in their own albeit strange ways.
It's not about natural/unnatural or religion: it's about consent and only about consent.
Making a non consensual act seem good or enjoyable to the victim is ...i hate to use the word... well wrong.

A pedo discussion without pedo bear?

Vocabulary Note:

Person who has desires for prepubescent children = Pedophile
Person who acts upon and feeds those desires by watching child porn drawn or real, by stalking, by touching or molesting a child (includes incest) = Pedosexual
Child = human before puberty
Consent = agreement to partcipate and understanding of what they are consenting to.

There are cases of Pedophiles not wanting to harm any children and castrating themselves to get rid of their pedosexual desires.

The only differences between real child porn and lolikon (drawn child porn) are the fact that the former requires a real rape to happen and the latter can depict the child enjoying it.

I personally think that lolikon can lead on to child porn by feeding the unsatisfied pedosexual lusts... and as soon as child porn enters the equation then ethics immediately says it is 'wrong' because a child was tortured for a pedo to fap.

Can lolikon be defined as an incitement to rape by glorifying it? Should it be made illegal on the same level as child porn?
Technically someone looking at CP has done no harm as they did not hurt the child themselves... rather they supported the molester by viewing his acts and support an industry that does produce a small percentage of real life molesters. Can't this be said of lolikon too?

A few questions to the pedos who confirmed their sexual preference/deviancy on this board:
Would you ever hurt a child? Or would you rather be castrated than hurt a kid?
At what point (if ever) did you first recognise that pedophilia was rape?
Do you know of lolikons who moved on to real porn or pedophile roleplay (see projectmegan.com)?
Would you accept a law prohibiting lolikon media if it was proven that it would reduce the number of active pedosexuals?

blah. blah. whine. whine. moan. moan.

fact is i read a story a few months ago about an 8 year old in afrika who didnt have sex, but jsut GAVE BIRTH, meanign was probobly fertile around age 7. MEANING that yes, humans indeed would have a natural instinctive atraction to children, they CAN be fertile, and god damnit, sexually attractive or not some little girls jsut make you wanna go "aawwwww" and that adorableness can be translated into hotness in some.

personally i dont see a point in fucking something that doesnt release the "red tide" every now and then, but if that tide releaser is 12 and consents, theres absolutley no issue in MY mind.

im against rape. aside from that, go for it. if the person says "no" stop. if not, but they look like they wanna, stop. if not, enjoy.

I don't understand why people make political shit out of nature VS. nuture with sexuality.  They've proven that it can be inborn, with pedophilia and homos, but it being inborn has nothing to do with weather it's moral or not.  (gay penguins, gay dolphins, lesbian seagulls, look it up)

Infanticide is rampant among animals, and that's natural.  So why don't we kill our seven year olds and say "oh, it's natural, I'm just an infaticidist (or whatever).  You going to stomp on MY rights?  I CAN'T HELP IT!"

However, homosexuality is a completely victimless action.  It's not our right to decide what someone does with their dick or ass   (Or mouth, or eyesockets, or whatever your imagination can cook up).  But a 12 year old doesn't have the maturity to make that kind of decision.  So it's almost always rape, even if they "want" it.  Kids at that age sniff paint. 

>>172
Who are you to decide that a 12 year old doesn't have the maturity?

Also that gay penguin crap is bullshit. Those penguins are not gay. They just want to fuck something. When there were not female penguins around they went for the male ones.

>>173 Thats pretty gay.

>>174
The point is that when there are female penguins around, they would not fuck the male ones. It is just release; not penguin male-to-female attraction thingy.

Hah... Hahahahah...  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..

Ever hear of Silo and Roy? Wendell and Cass?
http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/cns/2002-06-10/591.asp
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi  <Paste the two lines together>
?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RAV41.DTL

Some penguins go so far as to bring in a female, mate with her, make her lay an egg, drive her off and take care of it themselves. 

Dude, it's a fucking 12 year old!  Get some fucking compassion you lolicon pedo piece of shit!

I'm afraid they have too much fucking compassion.

Or is that fucking passion?

>>173
What the hell makes you think they WOULD have the maturity? infact by the definition of maturity 12 years =/= mature

what the fuck would you do in a "meaningful relationship" with a 12 year old anyway? talk about the powerpuff girls??

It's not about intelligent discussion and emotional bonding.  It's about having a narrow pecker crammed into an undeveloped tiny hole.

>>180 speaks the truth

yes i love lolis pussy

I'm pedophile and wouldn't want to be any other way. I've never touched a child inappropriately, and I have no problem controlling myself. But little girls are just the most desirable things in this world to me. Just having some around me makes me all happy ^____________________________^

Little girls = instant super win.

>>183

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truth is your not pedophiles, its just that grown females reject you, i thought i was a pedophile, but then i just kept asking girls out even really fat and ugly ones, and one finly said yes, and then i never jerksed it to childporn again.

>>185

I hate pedos but geez, you're a fucking loser!

>>185
ืno, i hav 5 girls my age to choose but i dont. cuz im pedo

>>185
ืno, i hav 5 girls my age to choose but i dont. cuz im pedo

>>185
Yeah you fail.

>> 186-189

hey fuck you guys, its not my fault i'm so ugly.

>>185
ok, this guy is pathetic...
but no, i do not think one can blame pedoism on the fact that the said individual is a "loser." There are many people who choose not to conform to society's standards because they have different tastes or feelings. Would you say that gays are fucking gay because no girls accept them?

>>191

thats why i'm gay.

This shit belongs in /vip/

>>193

no u

it's a matter of breast size... i find large breasts disgusting because it suggests moocows who happen to be barefoot and chained to your kitchen.

Being attracted to prepubescent children is just as bad as homosexuality from a Darwinian PoV, postpubescent/pubescent children is mostly cultural since they can get pregnant or get you pregnant.

In medieval Europe, with 35 year Life Expectancy, as soon as you became pubescent you went looking for pussy or cocks, so you could start a family unit before you die of plague.

Being attracted to prepubescent children is just as bad as homosexuality from a Darwinian PoV

Not really, because they grow up; unless you mean *only* attracted to prepubescents.

Uh...  8 year olds can get pregnant...

Guiness World Records says...!DAMN!
5 years old

>>195
wow you must be from some sort of farm house with lots of animals.

>>199

You are a pedo