>>18
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Anonymous2006-08-15 19:42
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This board is filled with sad weeaboos who masturbate to Final Fantasy. I'm weeaboo, but I sure as hell have some taste and regognize difference between good games and stagnant series of sucky sequels.
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Anonymous2006-08-16 2:26
Dragon Quest masturbates YOU.
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Anonymous2006-08-16 2:47
Grandia, Breath of fire, > Skies of arcadia < (awsome game)
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Anonymous2006-08-16 5:10
Arfenhouse
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Anonymous2006-08-16 5:48
This board is made of >>hello im fairX the haxxor join my community of hackers if you payme enough i will give you access to a private area of haxx ;) http://forum.curse-x.com/index.php
Summon Knight: Swordcraft Story wasnt bad, but dont expect anything legendary. its also got difficulty curve issues. (theres some parts in the beginning thats difficult on some sadistic, dark scale, but its mostly a pretty easy game.)
but you cant go wrong with the Legend of Mana series, and Shining force was win too (although i only played the first one on the genesis)
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Anonymous2006-08-16 13:48
Phantasy Star!!
...even though I've only played the fourth one!
>>27
Play the second Shining Force. It's super awesome.
Namco's Tales of _______ series
Phantasia has to be my favorite, followed by Abyss. Legendia is out in the US
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Anonymous2006-08-16 23:07
Grandia 1 - 3
Star Ocean 2
Suikoden series
Valkyrie Profile
Valkyrie Profile: Sylmeria
Shin Megami series (including Persona & Digital Devil Saga)
Phatasy Star 2, 4
Shining Force 2
Star Tropics series
Land Stalker
Skies of Arcadia
Dragon Warrior/Quest 3, 4, 6, 8
Breath of Fire series
Tales of series
Crystalis (if applicable)
Dark Cloud 2 (if applicable)
Disgaea
La Pucelle
Phantom Brave
Magic Knight Rayearth
Albert Odyssey: Legend of Eldean
Wild ARMs 1, 3
Legend of Dragoon
X-Men: Legends
Mega Man command Mission
Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door
Lunar series
Ys series
Riviera
Lufia series
Golden Sun series
There we go! A perfect line-up of RPG's that aren't sucky American attempts at pre-selected originality and clumbsy execution without a single Square/Square-originating game included. Those that are Square-Enix games are Enix-developed or published originally.
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Anonymous2006-08-16 23:25
Planescape: Torment
Also, Grandia is way too linear.
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Anonymous2006-08-17 0:11
>>37 also, Grandia is better than anything American
I don't know if the same is true with Grandia 1 or 3, but in Grandia 2 you just go through dungeon in town, fight boss, go through pathway to get to next town, do another dungeon, etc. There was no variety and it drove me crazy.
Planescape on the other hand has tons of side quests, multiple ways to complete quests, and a unique environment. Grandia is just a generic fantasy setting. Grandia can't compare to Planescape in my opinion.
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Anonymous2006-08-17 11:31
You're comparing two different styles of RPG's. It's like comparing Super Mario Bros and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. zOMG THEY BOTH HAVE PLATFORMS!!!1
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Anonymous2006-08-17 11:32
>>40
And such a list was provided. Your logic is that of a retarded cat eating it's mothers' shit.
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Xel2006-08-17 11:57
Baldur's Gate 2 Baldur's Gate 2 and once again Baldur's Gate 2. Planescape is fuck yes as well.
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Anonymous2006-08-17 12:00
>>45
only if you like boring hacks and faggot online players
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Anonymous2006-08-17 12:21
I think everyone is missing the point of the thread. If he wants good RPGs that are not Final Fantasy, than he probably isn't looking for all of these WapPGs, since they all play almost exactly the same. The correct answer to the OP is Planescape/BG2, Fallout 1/2.
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Anonymous2006-08-17 13:26
>>47
That's the exact same thing as telling someone they won't like American RPG's because they all play the same. Although in this case there is some validity to the point against American RPG's, but that's a different subject.
Got fantasies of George Takei wearing a squirrel suit, too?
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Anonymous2006-08-17 14:44
>>48
Weeaboo RPGs are exactly like the japanese, they love to dress in crazy outfits, because underneath them they are all exactly the same.
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Anonymous2006-08-17 15:01
>>48
You weeaboos are closer to furries than anyone else here. You are too stupid to realize that modern RPGs originated in America. There are tons of American companies with significantly different series, like Blizzard's Diablo to all of the D&D based games like Planescape and Baldur's Gate, the Elder Scroll series, Ultima, etc. The only significant company in Japan is Square. All of their games have a similar feel, and all of their Japanese competitors copy from them.
>>51
And you're a dipshit furry. Japanese companies that have made well-known RPG's that are *not* like Final Fantasy and have not copied from Square:
Capcom
Namco
Nintendo
SEGA
Nippon Ichi
Atlus
Enix (only merged recently with Square--all previous games applicable)
Konami
Falcon
Gust
Koei
Quest
Taito
GameArts
--Among others--
Oops. You lose. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Especially not a LARP-furry like you. How are J-RPG's different from one another? The games vary in themes, mechanics, conventions, designs, characters, stories, monsters/enemies, etc.
Oh, and by the by: The first modern idea of an RPG began with Dungeons and Dragons in the early 1970's (in this you are correct...but you should have stopped here)...and almost all Western, or Computer RPG's, are based on this foundation. Many different companies that make C-RPG's use the same monsters, designs, settings, character attributes, conventions, and stories...though themes may differ.
To the OP: If you want variety and originality: Try a few Japanese RPG's. If you want more of the same...slap Baldur's Gate, Warcraft, Everquest, Ultima, etc. into your PC.
>>53
The only significant company I see there is Nintendo. Those other companies either released low quality games that only someone obsessed with Japan would love, or more Square clones. That list just proves how desperate you are to come up with companies other than Square.
>almost all Western, or Computer RPG's, are based on this foundation
So are all Japanese RPGs, it is the foundation of RPGs for a reason. The only difference is that they choose to obscure everything. In fact most RPGs choose to obscure it, except for the few games that are based in D&D universes like BG, Planescape, etc. And again, only the few games based in D&D universes use the same monsters, designs, settings, because they are BASED in the SAME universe.
It's funny you would mention Warcraft, because now you are also delving into online RPGs. Thanks, because this just shows how inferior Japanese RPG makers are compared to Americans. The largest japanese MMORPG, FFXI, was a weak attempt at a game and is now overrun by hackers. World of Warcraft on the other hand is the most successful MMORPG, because of superior gameplay and setting.
In the end, if you really want to see who has the better RPGs, look at the battle systems. "Random Encounters" is the worst idea in the history of games. It was basically a cop-out for Japanese programmers who didn't have enough talent to create a better system. As a result of the random encounters, every single battle plays exactly the same, and by the end of the game you are sick of it. By the end of the game, you are only playing just to hear the rest of the story, and you want the experience to be over with as fast as possible. American RPGs on the other hand have preplaced monsters, either placed by hand or generated, which allow for much more entertaining and realistic battles. If you don't want to fight, you can try to sneak around the monster. If you do, you can charge right in, or position yourself to give yourself an advantage.
The only reason you are calling me a furry is to disguise the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. Or maybe you do, and you realize how inferior japanese RPGs are. They are weak copies of American RPGs, dumbed down either due to their unintelligent audience or the poor quality programmers that work on them.
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Anonymous2006-08-18 12:16
>>55
Wait, so you do not consider SEGA, Capcom, Konami, Flacon, Koei, Namco, and Exix as signifigant? You just lost all of your credibility right there.
A great deal of J-RPG's have breanched away from the D&D formula. Play more.
Yet all MMORPG's are, as a whole, weak.
Many J-RPG's do not use a random encounter system. Lurk more.
I call you a furry because you're a fan of American RPG's. You run aruond in costume, and more than likely join-up with those other imbeciles who play-act their RPG's in costume in the woods out-back of their daddy's home, thinking that since they're in costume they must be just like you. I call you a furry because you aer a fan of inferior, stale, unoriginal, and monotonous games. I call you a furry because you left your web-cam on last night.
You have demonstrated each time you reply that YOU have no idea what you're talking about, can only spout-out partial information and claim it as the full truth, and that you are a bigot on top of being furry (never thought I'd see THAT combination...). Japanese RPG's are hardly dumbed-down version of anything. You stopped playing them in 1987...if you ever did at all.
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Anonymous2006-08-18 12:28
A great deal of J-RPG's have breanched away from the D&D formula. Play more.
Name them.
Yet all MMORPG's are, as a whole, weak.
That's a personal opinion. If you do believe that, you are probably the type of person that would've like Ultima Online.
Many J-RPG's do not use a random encounter system. Lurk more.
Name them.
I call you a furry because you're a fan of American RPG's
Exactly, you have no argument, so you have to resort to calling people's names.
YOU have no idea what you're talking about
Yeah, thats why I have to resort to calling people furries, and my responses have only a few sentences actually mentioning games, while the rest try to personally attack you. No, wait...
The JRPG market is stagnant, and the proof is simple. The only major games to come out of it now are Dragon Quest 57 and Final Fantasy 102. The same thing happened with the adventure game market in the US, with all of the Leisure Suit Larry/Space Quest/King's Quest games. There aren't any amazing original games, so the fans demand sequels to the games that were good. By saying that I have no idea what I am talking about, you are merely clutching for straws, because you have no evidence of decent games to back your argument up.
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Anonymous2006-08-18 14:06
>>57
If the JRPG market is stagenant with only Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy as major releases, then why are there at least three individual quality JRPG's released each month on average in America? New Final Fantasy RPG's are released on average of once every two years, and Dragon Quest once every three or so years. You didn't fail with that point, nope.
As for your other questions, I'm not going to do the work for you. The games are out there in multitudes, I'm not going to list them and waste my time because you're too lazy to research it yourself. Watch me snicker at you as you respond along the lines of "That's right, you can't answer my questions, bwa-ha-ha".
I call you furry also because only someone with such a demented and/or juvinile mind-set would try to make the points you've attempted to make, and continue to try and make them when they've been debunked previously--yet is too blind to the truth to notice.
As for decent or amazing JRPG's, that's subjective, as /v/ has noted over the years. I can say Kingdom Hearts, Skies of Arcadia, Golden Sun, Phantasy Star, Breath of Fire, Disgaea, Valkyrie Profile, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Tales of ___, Suikoden, Grandia, Wild ARMs, Star Ocean, Persona/Shin Megami Tensei, Shadow Hearts, Shining Force, Ys, Lunar, etc. etc. etc...but there will always be someone who says they do not like 'x' game. But wait! This is a partial list of games to back-up my arguement!
>>58
"Stagenant" lol spelling why are there at least three individual quality JRPG's released each month on average in America
Please, tell me how many of those have been successful. The only ones that have recieved any acknowledgement from the public have been Square's RPGs. Also, I don't know if you realize this, but releasing a sequel every 2 or 3 years IS A LOT. Based on what you've said here though, I wouldn't expect you to know much about the video game market.
>I'm not going to do the work for you
If you are trying to argue a point, then you've just destroyed your whole argument right there. The burden of proof is on you. If you cannot give me an example of a popular game with those qualities, then your claim is completely unsubstantiated.
>I call you furry also because only someone with such a demented and/or juvinile mind-set would try to make the points you've attempted to make
Again, another fallacy. You are calling American RPG supporters furries, because you have to resort to childish name calling to feel like you've made some sort of point. Again you have done nothing to prove or further your argument.
As for decent or amazing JRPG's
Almost all of the games on that list are mediocre at best. For example, Grandia was a horribly repetitive and linear game. The few games on there that could be considered successes ARE MADE BY SQUARE.
Face it, you have nothing intelligent to say about this.
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Anonymous2006-08-18 15:13
>>58
Your logic is retarded. American RPG is better.
>>60
And releasing an expansion every two to three years at $30+ a pop isn't "a lot"?
And as stated, quality is subjective. I find Grandia a fun game. Yes, it's linear and story-driven. That doesn't make the game bad if the story is good. And the stories in each game are excellent. And while some games mentioned have not have gone on to be block-busters in America, that by no means make them poor games. And most of those games are critically acclaimed--in America.
And since you're so lazy, I'll give you a head start on J-RPG's that don't have random battles: Lunar, Grandia, Chrono Trigger, .hack, Valkyrie Profile. You know, just to pull five off the top of my head.
I wonder why you're so determined to state Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest as the best of the J-RPG market? Certainly they are popular, but does popularity and notoriety automatically make a game great? If so, I have a boat-load of Atari 2600 E.T. games to sell you...
And you’re over-reaching. I never called all American RPG players furries. I called you a furry. Learn to differentiate.
Oh, and to the grammar nazis: I am _so_ sorry. juvenile; stagnant.
Face it: You don't have a case, nor a leg to stand on. Japanese RPG's offer far greater variety than American RPG's ever have. There is literally a game for every taste. And that is what the OP is asking for.
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s Gate player2006-08-19 3:10
>>60
Something I've noticed while reading through this thread. For all the grand sweeping generalizations you make against jrpgs (which are a good 90% inaccurate), not once do you defend against any of 63's and so forth’s allegations against wrpgs. Is it because you cannot, and therefore hide behind your attacks on jrpgs instead, hoping no one will notice? It would be interesting to see you defend against some of the remarks made against wrpgs considering that they're mostly spot-on. And the exceptions only prove the rule rather than break it. And I'm an avid player.
It was also funny to see him slam against the remark on cosplayers by bringing up the live-costume rpgers.
The whole bit about you being a furry is mundane, but then again: At the end of the day when everything is all said and done...you're a furry, and we're not. Always wanted to say that.
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Anonymous2006-08-19 3:10
>>63
You forgot the action-RPG's like Kingdom Hearts, Secret of Mana, etc.
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Anonymous2006-08-19 12:16
wow, notice how all of the jrpg fanboys are posting on a friday night. you guys must be closet furries if you have that much time on your hands. anyway, jrpgs are far too story-based and linear. you have no choice in how to act or influence the game world. honestly, they can't even be considered true rpgs. they are just an animu series in game form, which is why you fanboys obsess over them. their gameplay is complete trash.
1. Anyone that says that a genre is better than another one is a closed minded idiot. The only exception is that everything is better than country music. This can be extended to say that anyone that says a genre is supreme to another in every way is a giant closed minded douchebag.
2. Good jRPGs have great plots with amazing depth and creative worlds. However, they have rehashed and monotonous gameplay (mainly due to too much focus on combat), and as a result power levelling can kill the game's difficulty.
3. Western RPGs seem to be the opposite. The gameplay is extremely addicting and the character development creates real attachment to your party. The main problem is that truly epic and creative worlds are too few and far between.
Of course, there are strong games in both categories. I'm not going to mention any, because you guys are assholes. In conclusion, if you don't agree with this post GTFO.
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Anonymous2006-08-19 13:51
SEXUAL POSITION GET
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Anonymous2006-08-19 14:07
>>66
That's because once you get married, you stop dating.
>>77
So if that is the same person, he instead of defending his position as to why A-RPG's are best decides to take the middle ground, thereby negating all of his arguements against J-RPG's?
Loser. I mean come on, he spouts and shouts...and then decides to say "Okay, this sub-genre has good aspects that are the exact opposite of that sub-genre, and you're retarded if you think anything else"? When called on to defend his position after being shown he cannot defend his remarks he wusses out?
I take it back. He's not a loser, he's pathetic.
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Anonymous2006-08-21 1:51
>>78
lol you got trolled bad by >>77 and it probably wasn't even a troll
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Anonymous2006-08-21 12:18
>>78 He's not a loser, he's pathetic.
LOL, WELCOME TO 4CHAN, YOU ARE ENGAGED IN AN ARGUMENT ON A VIDEO GAME BOARD, YOU ARE TOO
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Anonymous2006-08-21 12:34
>>80
Pathetic? Nah. I'm bored. Living off a trust fund for the rest of ones' life isn't nearly as fun as it sounds.
>>81
Guess that makes you a perfect candidate for being a "jRPG expert".
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Anonymous2006-08-22 9:42
Guerilla Amphibian
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Anonymous2006-08-22 19:54
Threads of Fate!
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Anonymous2006-08-22 20:23
>>68
What games have you played? D&D shit(Planescape Torment is very odd gem in that department and maybe best electronic RPG ever) and Final Fantasy? Japanese tend to be creative and I love their visual talents, but they aren't exactly good writers when it comes to RPGs. Stories tend to be pretty bad, cliched and not deep in any sense. This maybe partly due to language barrier, but honestly I don't think they'd edit tons of dialog out. I don't have anything against typical JRPG concepts or ideas, but what they need is "dynamic" storylines, good writers and ofcourse less fighting. Though saying that say Fallout has good story is kind of oxymoron too. American RPGs tend suffer storywise from same things as JRPGs, although they're quite often better. JRPGs need better writers, alternative paths to finish game/quests and ofcourse less FORCED fighting.
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Anonymous2006-08-22 22:59
>>86
He hasn't played any jRPG's. He's just being a dick.
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Anonymous2006-08-23 1:25
>>87
You do realize that >>86 was providing an argument for why jRPGs suck so much, right?
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Anonymous2006-08-23 9:03
>>88
Your logic is retarded, JRPGS are better that's why they sell so much in every part of the world
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Anonymous2006-08-23 9:09
Disgaea. By far.
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Anonymous2006-08-23 11:29
>>89
1. oblivion
2. don't use "Your ____ is retarded. ____ is better." if you don't know how to use it correctly.
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Anonymous2006-08-23 14:09
>>88
Actually, he was being critical with both. >>89 >>91
Sadly for you, 89 used it correctly, and he is also correct. American RPG's sell well in America and parts of Europe...Japanese RPG's sell world-wide.
Why?
Because they're better, and the rest of the world who isn't backwards knows it.
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Anonymous2006-08-25 20:31
GRAH! WEEABOO CAN'T EXCEPT THOSE BAKAS. BAKAS BAKAS BAKAS BAKAS.
ANIME INSPIRED GRINDFESTS ARE DEEP, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT.
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Anonymous2006-08-25 20:44
silly baka, your gajin mind cannot comprehend the superiority of spikey hair bishi follows long hair bishi aka ff7.
Go doki doki your baka raman you gajin jajajajajajajaja
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Anonymous2006-08-26 2:57
>>92
DON'T TELL ME HOW TO USE "YOUR ____ IS RETARDED. ____ IS BETTER.", I FUCKING INVENTED IT YOU FUCKFACE. >>89 USED IT INCORRECTLY.
also, lol sales, oblivion sold well all over the world, including australia (which you apparently have never heard of), and japan. second, if sales determine quality, then i guess we should all worship britney spears as the greatest musician of all time.
And while sales do not determine quality, pathetic sales do. Pathetic sales is what most American RPG's face on the global market. Therefore, most of the world recognises American RPG's are crap. Except Americans, who think anything made in America is superior. Like Ford *snicker*.
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Anonymous2006-08-26 14:49
>>95
The only good thing about Australia is Mad Max, bitch.
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Anonymous2006-08-26 18:46
Let's see... I've heard great things about Xenosage and .Hack. If you're into MMO's, there's MapleStory. Not particularly great, but free.
As for plain RPGs that I've played and can verify the awesomeness of:
EarthBound
Tales of Symphonia (anyone who disagree needs to castrate themselves)
ChronoTrigger
Diablo
Diablo II
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction (Expansion pack of II)
Guild Wars
Well of Souls (not particularly great, but not TOO bad)
And that's all I can think of off the top of my head.
>>97
Pathetic sales don't determine quality, they determine which games were marketed poorly. And Oblivion is one in many recent games with good sales, including Fable, Diablo 2, WoW, Guild Wars, etc.
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Anonymous2006-08-27 0:49
>>101
So nearly EVERY American RPG is marketed poorly.
Got your head stuck up your own ass far?
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Anonymous2006-08-27 2:36
>>102
lol wat? >>101 listed a bunch that sold well.
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Anonymous2006-08-27 2:56
>>102
Do you even realize the number of jRPGs that fail horribly? Amazing, a stupid weeaboo defending jRPGs that doesn't even pay attention to the market in Japan.
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Anonymous2006-08-27 4:14
>>104
Do you even realize the number of WESTERNSRPGS that fail horribly? Amazing, a stupid weeAMERIKAN defending WESTERNSRPGS that doesn't even pay attention to the market in AMERIKA.
fixed
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Anonymous2006-08-27 4:17
>>104
captain obvious you are my hero!, the number of rpgs made in japan outstand the ones made in america or europe by 10 to 1
so is obvious that is going to be more generic rpgs in japan than in america
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Anonymous2006-08-27 10:58
>>106
yeah, and america outnumbers japan in GOOD rpgs
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Anonymous2006-08-27 11:36
>>103
That's a bunch?! Wow...and here I thought it was less than half a handful.
>>104
Do you realize the amount of jRPG's that are released outside Japan that fail horribly? Yeah, less than 5%.
Now sit down and drink your god-damned milk like a good little boy.
>>107
I noted your sarcasm and approve of said sarcasm.
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Anonymous2006-08-27 12:42
Guys, we need to realize that both American and Japanese RPGs fail, but fail in different ways. Let us celebrate their differences.
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Anonymous2006-08-27 16:42
>>108
Do you realize the amount of jRPG's that are released outside Japan? Yeah, they are all from Square.
>>110
Yeah. Keep deluding yourself, chump. For both statements.
>>111
Try reading the line above it, brain-case. And by brain-case I mean idiot.
>>115
And everything written by me is transcriptions from God. Boo hoo hoo to you. Where's your mommy no...oh, there she is. Go fuck her, God.
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Anonymous2006-08-28 1:05
>>116
congratulations, you have no argument and you just proved it by attempting to insult everyone who disagreed with you. no wonder you are so obsessed with jrpgs, the retarded gameplay is a perfect match with someone as simple minded as you.
>>117
Dude, that wasn't a point argument. That is what is called a counter-rebuttal. What does that mean? Well, why don't I educate you!
When an argument/dicussion occurs, it can go in one of several directions. If it is on the internet, it will invariably fall in one direction: Childishness. The replies 116 gave are to people who provided no case towards the argument at hand, but rather to simple-minded (childish) rebuttals. Once replies to the argument fall into this category, one must always reply in kind, for it is the understanding of all parties involved that the "side being replied to" only understands that base-level of rebutting. Or, rather, that the "other side" is no longer able to continue a reasonably-minded and intellectual argument.
Therefore, again, all replies are written in such a way that it is understood the "other side of the argument" is able to comprehend.
tl;dr version: If >>110,>>111, & >>115 (if not the same person) wishes to continue the argument/discussion on an intellectual level, and is prepared to provide proof of their outlandish claims, then "Bring it". Otherwise, they may fade away, comforted in the knowledge that the American RPG user is seen as being of simple mind.
>>121
You may want to look back a little bit to post # 53. Oh my God. Game developers/publishers who make/release JRPG's outside Japan and in America that isn't Square-Enix. Not only do you lose your argument, you lose all internets you may have won in the past in other threads for this blatant stupidity.
>>123
wtf, >>53 isn't even relevant, you just listed off a bunch of companies that produce rpgs (mostly shit) in japan. out of that list, only square has really had success selling rpgs in america.
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Anonymous2006-08-28 14:20
>>124
Incorrect. Each of those companies have enjoyed moderate to full success in selling various RPG's outside Japan, and especially in Japan.
And the "mostly shit" comment is what is actually irrelevant, as ones tastes are different than anothers.
Fail. See that spot marked GO a little but ahead? You don't get to pass it.
And see, here's the problem. The jRPG position has been defended. As in each attack has been successfully deflected. RPG game series that are popular not made by Square were listed even before #53. Japanese game publishers who publish RPG's outside in America. Generalizations made against jRPG's that are partially, if not wholly, incorrect (and then corrected by the jRPG position).
Yet what arguments has the aRPG position defended against? None. The only statement the aRPG group has made is that both sides have their plusses and minuses--which doesn't defend against any of the points made against aRPG's.
>>You need to die in a fire, for saying retarded shit like that.
And it's statements like this that keeps this debate from being intellectual in any capacity. Now, I could say "...what else should I expect? I'm talking to a guy who plays aRPG's in his momma's basement with his +10 Mana Wizard Hat on...", but I'm above that. Not to mention your grammar sucks. Helpful hint: You don't need a comma.
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Anonymous2006-08-29 2:52
Like it has been already said jRPGs fail, because of bad writing and shitty stories. Simple as that. They excel in visuals and sometimes on gameplay. Arpgs(with exception of some ie. Fallout, Arcanum, Torment, KOTOR etc.) tend to suck even more balls, but this is mainly because retarded D&D tradition. Show me some jRPG with actual choices, dynamic storyline and atleast Fallout quality(meaning not brilliant, but not so bad either) writing and story. If such game really exist I have to play it.
>>131
Wow...how vague can you be! No, who hasn't what, pray tell?
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Anonymous2006-08-29 14:11
>>129
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass. try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.
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Anonymous2006-08-29 19:19
>>133
Just re-read the thread again. Yup, I'm right and you're wrong. Every attack and generalization against jRPG's were nullified with truth and logic. Might I suggest a nice pair of glasses for you? I even know of some places that offer discounts if you're a AAA member.
Oh wait, silly me. You have to be intelligent and have an iota of foresight to have a AAA membership. Sadly, you need neither to be an aRPG player, though it is recommended to possess both to play jRPG.
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Anonymous2006-08-29 20:10
>>134
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass. try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.
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Anonymous2006-08-29 20:25
>>135
STFU >>134 have defended himself whit good arguments
just read the damn post and GTFO
He has never defended himself "whit" good arguments. He just argues like an arrogant dick, really just making himself look like either a shut-in or a geek pissed off about getting bullied every day. I don't think he's even reading the same thread, unless he considers calling people idiots "nullifying attacks".
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Anonymous2006-08-29 21:37
>>137
well.. there's a post after most of his essays saying something along the lines of >>136
i think its just him pretending to be someone else..
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Anonymous2006-08-30 6:20
>>137
Ahh...no. I certainly didn't post 136. I figured it was probably 133/135 or 130 trying to discredit me rather than answer any of the questions I've posed towards aRPG's.
to recap:
#47: "...all of these (regarding list in post #36) WapPGs, since they all play almost exactly the same..."
--Discredited. The list provided in post #36 feature a tremendous amount of jRPG's that do not play similarly.
#51: "The only significant company in Japan is Square. All of their games have a similar feel, and all of their Japanese competitors copy from them"
--Discredited. The list provided in post #53 includes 14 signifigant Japanese companies who publish RPG's not similar to Square RPG's both in Japan and America. Further, I am confident that most people will agree that Secret of Mana does not "feel" like Final Fantasy IV in play mechanics...as an example.
#55: "Random Encounters"
--True and False. Many jRPG's feature random encounters. Many don't. Those titles that don't include R.E., but are not exclusive to these titles, were brought up in post #63.
#57: "The only major games to come out of it (Japan) now are Dragon Quest (#) and Final Fantasy (#)."
--Discredited. See post #36 again. Also see #58 & #63, specifically regarding the difference between a jRPG sequel every 2-3 years vs an aRPG expansion every year or less.
After #64 it turns into a cluster-fuck of idiocy, though #68 does try to take the moral high ground by defaming both aRPG's and jRPG's in different ways. However, before this the posts defending jRPG's also made several statements against aRPG's, which have never been defended against in this thread (and were only re-inforced/confirmed by #64). Is it because these statements against aRPG's are true? And if not, prove it.
>>139
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass. try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.
You really, REALLY need new material. Because if this is the best you can do, then you should just stop here. You have added nothing to the discussion, you have not defended any position, you have not brought any new material to the discussion.
At this point, you can either reply to the comments made in #139 intelligently, or you can be ignored and the discussion ends with my having the final word (not to be too egotistical or anything, but I have had the last intelligent word ABOUT the discussion).
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Anonymous2006-08-30 23:55
>>144
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass. try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.
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Anonymous2006-08-31 0:35
>>144
lol, there's more than 2 people here, buddy. i know you like you reply to your own posts and talk about how amazing they were, but that doesn't mean theres only one other guy here doing the same thing. also, if you haven't noticed, most people don't have time for pointless arguments during the week.
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Anonymous2006-08-31 4:11
>>146
Too bad. You should try getting a job where your weekend is during the week. Little traffic, decent mid-week sales, little crowding in the theatre, little hassle at the market...it's great.
Oh, and as far as replying to my own posts: I may bump threads with something inane, but I'm hardly narcissistic.
And no points made against aRPG's have been defended in either posts #145 and #146. It would appear that the discussion is settled, and all sides agree that the views and generalizations many aRPG players hold against jRPG's are falsehoods, lies, and/or the results of blatant ignorance.
jRPGs are not true RPGs. Nor are games like Diablo. Using RPG stats, a true RPG it does not make. In a REAL rpg, YOU define the character with your actions. You talk to people, you have discussions, you make friends and enemies, and you actually have some control over it.
Deus Ex was more of an RPG that jRPG's, ffs. I'm not saying that they aren't fun games, because they are. I've wasted hours and hours playing jRPG's... going around, killing monsters, collecting crap. But I don't consider them to be real roleplaying games. You're not roleplaying anything. You don't shape your character, they already have their own static personalities. (Although sometimes very little)
>>149
What you describe is the classic definition of RPG's. Naturally, as time passes and societies change, so too do word definitions, intents, and purposes. Now, while most RPG's on the market do not fall under the original definition of the acronym RPG (creating your own character and "living" that characters' role/life), it is now generally acceptable to consider non-create-your-own-character RPG's as RPG's.
tl;dl version: Go on wikipedia and look-up the origin of the word "Quiz" , then read the above to understand the signifigance and impact of public acception.
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Anonymous2006-08-31 15:31
>>151
Okay, then let's go on wikipedia, and look up the definition of "RPG": A role-playing game (RPG, often roleplaying game) is a type of game in which the participants assume the roles of characters and collaboratively create stories.
Now note that wikipedia is not a dictionary, and this is the accepted definition of RPGs.
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Anonymous2006-08-31 20:11
... You all FAIL as gamers, because both of your egos and sterotypes and stupidity have all made you guys close minded. Nither is neither better or worse then the onther. THERE GAMES and it doesn't matter where they are from if there good .. there good.. if there bad there bad.. Maybe you both should shut the hell up and maybe try each others genres of games and maybe you will find something you like and expand your f#&^ing minds. I love both genre of games equally. When I tire of one I go to the other. Like its not tottaly an rpg, but depends on how you look at it, but I just finish replaying deus ex again and system shock 2 . Both great must play games regardless what genre they are. But now i'm tired of the more western games and have now picked up disgaea 2 because I loved the first one and i'm haveing a blast. After I beat that I plan on going back and replaying fallout 1 and 2. depending on how i feel .. heck i might just skip the whole rpg genre and just go kill stuff in no one lives forever or play fear.
So stop your friggen argueing and expand your gameing specrum and incorperate both arpg and jrpgs and have fun.
And remember argueing on the internet is much like the special olympics even if you win or lose .. your still retarded.
Now a list of good rpgs
Western ones
Planescape: torment
baldersgate 1 and 2
fable was good not great but fun for a couple play throughs
Morrowind (didn't like oblivion as much as morrowind)
Vampire both of them (I know bloodlines has problems but i still loved it)
Fallout 1, 2 and tactics
summenor ( the first , the second one sucked)
Diablo 1 and 2
Champions of Norrath
kotor
( if you consider them rpgs)
deus ex
system shock 1 and 2
J rpgs
Disgaea
Disgaea 2
Makai Kigndom
Phatom brave
Front mission 3
.//hack
fire emblem
golden sun
vegrent story
tales of symphonia
cronos trigger
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Anonymous2006-09-01 0:11
I'm with 153 here. Why the fuck are we comparing Japanese and Western RPGs, anyway? It's like comparing consoles and computers themselves. You like one, you like the other, or you like both in varying proportions.
Me, I like certain Japanese RPGs, certain Western RPGs, and think the rest are mostly junk rip-offs. A Western RPG fan pointing out that certain Japanese RPGs suck is a total glass-house situation, and vice versa. Thread fails on that alone.
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Anonymous2006-09-01 3:18
>>152
Also note that the wikipedia entry is based SOLELY on aRPG's with a firm bias towards table-top RPG's. In fact, the entry you looked up (RPG) all-but only involves Table-top RPG's. That's not exactly the medium we're talking about. I'm sure you would have noticed if you had read the full article like I had a week ago.
I suggest you also take time to look-up "wRPG" (or under "Computer RPG") and "jRPG" on Wiki. These entries offer the greatest explaination of the differences between the two styles of electronic RPG's that I have seen.
>>153
Quite honestly, I have nothing against aRPG's...beyond that they bore me. Personal Preference is all that is though.
I'm also just sick and tired of seeing the rampant "weeaboo-ness" against jRPG's/console RPG's on this board for the simple fact of where the game was made...and when critisized on that point I defended myself and my preference.
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Anonymous2006-09-01 3:28
Amen. I was tired of all the computer RPGs, most of them D&D clones. Then I went to consoles. Loved the Japanese RPGs... until I'd played half a dozen Final Fantasies and their various clones as well. And that's when I really discovered that the RPG genre as a whole can get old fast unless people branch out. Like Morrowind, Xenosaga, etc.
Of course, these days, I just don't have the time for them. And some of them, I don't even have the patience. I get into the grind portion, a shinier action game comes along, and I never finish the RPG. Ah well.
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Anonymous2006-09-01 11:17
READ A BOOK YOU FAT NERDS!!!!!!1
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Anonymous2006-09-02 4:16
>>157
I read two three-hundred+ page fiction or non-fiction novels per day. At work.
>>158
"novels" are like the pop music of literature. read a real book.
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Anonymous2006-09-03 12:29
>>160
Oh, do you mean Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, which I just finished reading for pleasure a couple of days ago during break, or do you mean Steven Hawking's The Universe In a Nutshell, which I finished reading yesterday?
You're out of gas bubba, and you don't have the cash to fill up. Go home or just stay off the internet. You've lost all your arguments, especially the ones not relative to the OP.
Dude, you're getting nowhere. Novels have been made for fucking CENTURIES. Many of them are fucking CLASSICS. So just shut the fuck up. Something can't be "popular bookz LOLZ!!!HAHA STEPHEN HAWKING LOLZZAISFIASHF" if it's NOT OF A CONTEMPORARY FUCKING TIME. As in : It's not "popular literature" if it's hundreds of years old and is no longer "new and popular".
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Anonymous2006-09-03 17:13
>>165 Dude, you're getting nowhere.
THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD, JACKASS
Also, lol "CENTURIES". Maybe you should be reading history books if you don't know how far back novels go.
>>168
It's a reference to the Stephen Hawking book you moran (I hope you picked that misspelling up too).
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Anonymous2006-09-04 12:52
>>170
Yeah, this thread has turned to shit ever since the wRPG people weren't able to win their argument against the jRPG people.
>>172
Hahaha at the pathetic JRPGers, resorting to simple "wut" and "i am a miserable little faggot D:" in order to feign insanity.
Too bad for them that WRPGs are infinitely superior, which >>1-171 proves.
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Anonymous2006-09-05 0:50
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
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Anonymous2006-09-05 0:58
>>175
Sorry, which thread are you supposed to be replying to?
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Anonymous2006-09-05 1:27
>>174
The thread turned to shit after people like you started coming in, reading the first five posts, and posting a half-assed opinion.
The genres just aren't comparable (in the quantitative sense) -- both have their strengths and flaws (rehashed a dozen times already), both have their good and bad games ... and both have a tired mainstream set of games that mostly serves as flamebait for the genre as a whole, generally by uneducated fanboys of the opposite genre.
To demand that either side "win" is idiocy at its finest. To "win" would be to convince everyone that your genre has all the good and none of the bad -- which would require mass delusion, since each side has both brilliance and crap.
The only winners in this thread are the ones that have played the good RPGs in either genre. The losers are ones like you -- fanboys that are so immersed in their own little world of prejudiced opinions that they're afraid to try something new.
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Anonymous2006-09-05 2:37
>>178
Well, in a debate, you don't have to convert the other person to your way on thinking, only debate them until they have no arguments left. In this case, the jRPG group won the "debate" since all the wRPG have been stating lately has been anything but regarding the debate, but you are correct in that there is no winning the over-all argument...since there is no "right side".
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Anonymous2006-09-05 3:07
>>178
Well, in a debate, you don't have to convert the other person to your way on thinking, only debate them until they have no arguments left. In this case, the wRPG group won the "debate" since all the jRPG have been stating lately has been anything but regarding the debate, but you are correct in that there is no winning the over-all argument...since there is no "right side".
See, it's replies like this, where you change just one or two words from a previous post and post it as a childs' rant of "I know you are but what am I?" that made your side lose the debate.
>>181
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass. try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.
>>183
Wow...this had been dead for days, and that's the best you can do?
Go away. The subject is dead, the debate is over.
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Anonymous2006-09-07 10:09
>>185
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass. try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.
>>1
Grandia 1 - 3
Star Ocean 2
Suikoden series
Valkyrie Profile
Valkyrie Profile: Sylmeria
Shin Megami series (including Persona & Digital Devil Saga)
Phatasy Star 2, 4
Shining Force 2
Star Tropics series
Land Stalker
Skies of Arcadia
Dragon Warrior/Quest 3, 4, 6, 8
Breath of Fire series
Tales of series
Crystalis (if applicable)
Dark Cloud 2 (if applicable)
Disgaea
La Pucelle
Phantom Brave
Magic Knight Rayearth
Albert Odyssey: Legend of Eldean
Wild ARMs 1, 3
Legend of Dragoon
X-Men: Legends
Mega Man command Mission
Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door
Lunar series
Ys series
Riviera
Lufia series
Golden Sun series
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Anonymous2006-09-07 16:32
blackbob nigger pants flash
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Anonymous2006-09-07 17:47
>>188
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass. try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 0:48
>>190
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass. try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 1:26
>>190
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass. try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 1:29
oblivion is the most amazing rpg i played. the storyline isnt as good as the ffs though.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 2:50
jRPGs? why bother giving those games their own genre name when the only notable one of the bunch has been final fantasy 7?
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Anonymous2006-09-08 4:37
>>194
Durr, no. FF7 sucks really. Chrono Trigger is the best jRPG there is and it's actually good.
That's why I recommend Diablo 1 or the ENTIRE Eldorado Gates serie...
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Anonymous2006-09-14 13:25
>>209
Diablo is barely an RPG, and Eldorado Gates? At least you have taste.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 23:37
chrono trigger for snes you can find roms pretty easy
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Anonymous2006-10-04 2:58
enchanted arms
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Anonymous2006-10-04 17:28
wtf is Eldorado Gates?
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Anonymous2006-10-05 14:03
A series of RPGs for Dreamcast
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Anonymous2008-10-03 21:01
mother 1+2 where can i get this game and order it by a phone number?
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Anonymous2008-10-03 21:03
kimi no yuusha where else than yes-asia and ncsxshop can i get this and the online shop has a phone number?
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Anonymous2008-10-04 10:45
Phantasy star 4 for the SEGA Mega Drive
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news2008-10-04 12:08
where can i find super mario rpg, mother 3, and doki doki majo shinpan! 1 online and i can order it by phone?
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Anonymous2008-10-04 13:02
kimi no yuusha[kimino yusha] is good. where do i buy this other than yesasia? the online store MUST have a phone number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i must have this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
where to buy earthbound 1and 2 on the gameboy advance?play-asia ain't working.
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Anonymous2008-10-05 0:02
any good places to get games online? dragon quest vii is a good rpg.
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sound2008-10-05 0:05
paper mario ttyd is a cool rpg. if not here, try searching for good rpgs. there are plenty out ther you may like.
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Anonymous2008-10-05 0:07
try asking any of your frinds that you see for any info on non final fantasy rpgs that are good. phantasy star online is good.
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Anonymous2008-10-05 0:08
if you have email then ask some one you know that you have their email about this.
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Anonymous2008-10-05 6:33
Tales of Game's Presents Chef Boyardee's Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden, Chapter 1 of the Hoopz Barkley SaGa.
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Anonymous2008-10-05 10:34
FUCK Paper Mario. Get yourself some Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. That game rules.
I've never played an iteration of Paper Mario that didn't put me to sleep in five minutes... and I've played some boring fucking games.
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Anonymous2008-10-05 12:33
yes super mario rpg is good but do you reccomend trying to get it on the snes or on the virtual consol on the wii?
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Anonymous2008-10-05 12:41
does anyone know a place where i can get super mario rpg and the snes game system from? i've tried ebay but it didn't work.
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Anonymous2008-10-05 12:48
where can i get the rpg's mother 3 and mother 1+2? i've been looking and tried ebay but that didn't work. help?
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Anonymous2008-10-05 12:49
i like super mario rpg too!
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Anonymous2008-10-05 12:51
where does one get mother 3 and mother 1+2 and kimi no yusha? there rpgs and ebay don't work for me either. super mario rpg is a good choice too. any help?