... You all FAIL as gamers, because both of your egos and sterotypes and stupidity have all made you guys close minded. Nither is neither better or worse then the onther. THERE GAMES and it doesn't matter where they are from if there good .. there good.. if there bad there bad.. Maybe you both should shut the hell up and maybe try each others genres of games and maybe you will find something you like and expand your f#&^ing minds. I love both genre of games equally. When I tire of one I go to the other. Like its not tottaly an rpg, but depends on how you look at it, but I just finish replaying deus ex again and system shock 2 . Both great must play games regardless what genre they are. But now i'm tired of the more western games and have now picked up disgaea 2 because I loved the first one and i'm haveing a blast. After I beat that I plan on going back and replaying fallout 1 and 2. depending on how i feel .. heck i might just skip the whole rpg genre and just go kill stuff in no one lives forever or play fear.
So stop your friggen argueing and expand your gameing specrum and incorperate both arpg and jrpgs and have fun.
And remember argueing on the internet is much like the special olympics even if you win or lose .. your still retarded.
Now a list of good rpgs
Western ones
Planescape: torment
baldersgate 1 and 2
fable was good not great but fun for a couple play throughs
Morrowind (didn't like oblivion as much as morrowind)
Vampire both of them (I know bloodlines has problems but i still loved it)
Fallout 1, 2 and tactics
summenor ( the first , the second one sucked)
Diablo 1 and 2
Champions of Norrath
kotor
( if you consider them rpgs)
deus ex
system shock 1 and 2
J rpgs
Disgaea
Disgaea 2
Makai Kigndom
Phatom brave
Front mission 3
.//hack
fire emblem
golden sun
vegrent story
tales of symphonia
cronos trigger