Good RPGs that are not Final Fantasy

recommendations?

VAGRANT STORY, BITCHES!!

I don't know if the same is true with Grandia 1 or 3, but in Grandia 2 you just go through dungeon in town, fight boss, go through pathway to get to next town, do another dungeon, etc.  There was no variety and it drove me crazy.

Planescape on the other hand has tons of side quests, multiple ways to complete quests, and a unique environment.  Grandia is just a generic fantasy setting.  Grandia can't compare to Planescape in my opinion.

You're comparing two different styles of RPG's.  It's like comparing Super Mario Bros and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.  zOMG THEY BOTH HAVE PLATFORMS!!!1

>>40
And such a list was provided.  Your logic is that of a retarded cat eating it's mothers' shit.

Baldur's Gate 2 Baldur's Gate 2 and once again Baldur's Gate 2. Planescape is fuck yes as well.

>>45
only if you like boring hacks and faggot online players

I think everyone is missing the point of the thread.  If he wants good RPGs that are not Final Fantasy, than he probably isn't looking for all of these WapPGs, since they all play almost exactly the same.  The correct answer to the OP is Planescape/BG2, Fallout 1/2.

>>47
That's the exact same thing as telling someone they won't like American RPG's because they all play the same.  Although in this case there is some validity to the point against American RPG's, but that's a different subject.

>>47 is: Insta-Fail.

tl;dr: Few JRPG's play like Final Fantasy, and those who say they do are closet yiffers.

>>47
Hee hee hee...you're a furry!

Got fantasies of George Takei wearing a squirrel suit, too?

>>48
Weeaboo RPGs are exactly like the japanese, they love to dress in crazy outfits, because underneath them they are all exactly the same.

>>48
You weeaboos are closer to furries than anyone else here.  You are too stupid to realize that modern RPGs originated in America.  There are tons of American companies with significantly different series, like Blizzard's Diablo to all of the D&D based games like Planescape and Baldur's Gate, the Elder Scroll series, Ultima, etc.  The only significant company in Japan is Square.  All of their games have a similar feel, and all of their Japanese competitors copy from them.

>>51

>>51
And you're a dipshit furry.  Japanese companies that have made well-known RPG's that are *not* like Final Fantasy and have not copied from Square:

Capcom
Namco
Nintendo
SEGA
Nippon Ichi
Atlus
Enix (only merged recently with Square--all previous games applicable)
Konami
Falcon
Gust
Koei
Quest
Taito
GameArts
--Among others--

Oops.  You lose.  Do not pass go, do not collect $200.  Especially not a LARP-furry like you.  How are J-RPG's different from one another?  The games vary in themes, mechanics, conventions, designs, characters, stories, monsters/enemies, etc.

Oh, and by the by: The first modern idea of an RPG began with Dungeons and Dragons in the early 1970's (in this you are correct...but you should have stopped here)...and almost all Western, or Computer RPG's, are based on this foundation.  Many different companies that make C-RPG's use the same monsters, designs, settings, character attributes, conventions, and stories...though themes may differ.

To the OP: If you want variety and originality: Try a few Japanese RPG's.  If you want more of the same...slap Baldur's Gate, Warcraft, Everquest, Ultima, etc. into your PC.

>>53
lol you own 51 lolz

>>53
The only significant company I see there is Nintendo.  Those other companies either released low quality games that only someone obsessed with Japan would love, or more Square clones.  That list just proves how desperate you are to come up with companies other than Square.

>almost all Western, or Computer RPG's, are based on this foundation
So are all Japanese RPGs, it is the foundation of RPGs for a reason.  The only difference is that they choose to obscure everything.  In fact most RPGs choose to obscure it, except for the few games that are based in D&D universes like BG, Planescape, etc.  And again, only the few games based in D&D universes use the same monsters, designs, settings, because they are BASED in the SAME universe.

It's funny you would mention Warcraft, because now you are also delving into online RPGs.  Thanks, because this just shows how inferior Japanese RPG makers are compared to Americans.  The largest japanese MMORPG, FFXI, was a weak attempt at a game and is now overrun by hackers.  World of Warcraft on the other hand is the most successful MMORPG, because of superior gameplay and setting.

In the end, if you really want to see who has the better RPGs, look at the battle systems.  "Random Encounters" is the worst idea in the history of games.  It was basically a cop-out for Japanese programmers who didn't have enough talent to create a better system.  As a result of the random encounters, every single battle plays exactly the same, and by the end of the game you are sick of it.  By the end of the game, you are only playing just to hear the rest of the story, and you want the experience to be over with as fast as possible.  American RPGs on the other hand have preplaced monsters, either placed by hand or generated, which allow for much more entertaining and realistic battles.  If you don't want to fight, you can try to sneak around the monster.  If you do, you can charge right in, or position yourself to give yourself an advantage.

The only reason you are calling me a furry is to disguise the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.  Or maybe you do, and you realize how inferior japanese RPGs are.  They are weak copies of American RPGs, dumbed down either due to their unintelligent audience or the poor quality programmers that work on them.

>>55
Wait, so you do not consider SEGA, Capcom, Konami, Flacon, Koei, Namco, and Exix as signifigant?  You just lost all of your credibility right there.

A great deal of J-RPG's have breanched away from the D&D formula.  Play more.

Yet all MMORPG's are, as a whole, weak.

Many J-RPG's do not use a random encounter system.  Lurk more.

I call you a furry because you're a fan of American RPG's.  You run aruond in costume, and more than likely join-up with those other imbeciles who play-act their RPG's in costume in the woods out-back of their daddy's home, thinking that since they're in costume they must be just like you.  I call you a furry because you aer a fan of inferior, stale, unoriginal, and monotonous games.  I call you a furry because you left your web-cam on last night.

You have demonstrated each time you reply that YOU have no idea what you're talking about, can only spout-out partial information and claim it as the full truth, and that you are a bigot on top of being furry (never thought I'd see THAT combination...).  Japanese RPG's are hardly dumbed-down version of anything.  You stopped playing them in 1987...if you ever did at all.

A great deal of J-RPG's have breanched away from the D&D formula.  Play more.
Name them.

Yet all MMORPG's are, as a whole, weak.
That's a personal opinion.  If you do believe that, you are probably the type of person that would've like Ultima Online.

Many J-RPG's do not use a random encounter system.  Lurk more.
Name them.

I call you a furry because you're a fan of American RPG's
Exactly, you have no argument, so you have to resort to calling people's names.

YOU have no idea what you're talking about
Yeah, thats why I have to resort to calling people furries, and my responses have only a few sentences actually mentioning games, while the rest try to personally attack you.  No, wait...

The JRPG market is stagnant, and the proof is simple.  The only major games to come out of it now are Dragon Quest 57 and Final Fantasy 102.  The same thing happened with the adventure game market in the US, with all of the Leisure Suit Larry/Space Quest/King's Quest games.  There aren't any amazing original games, so the fans demand sequels to the games that were good.  By saying that I have no idea what I am talking about, you are merely clutching for straws, because you have no evidence of decent games to back your argument up.

>>57
If the JRPG market is stagenant with only Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy as major releases, then why are there at least three individual quality JRPG's released each month on average in America?  New Final Fantasy RPG's are released on average of once every two years, and Dragon Quest once every three or so years.  You didn't fail with that point, nope.

As for your other questions, I'm not going to do the work for you.  The games are out there in multitudes, I'm not going to list them and waste my time because you're too lazy to research it yourself.  Watch me snicker at you as you respond along the lines of "That's right, you can't answer my questions, bwa-ha-ha".

I call you furry also because only someone with such a demented and/or juvinile mind-set would try to make the points you've attempted to make, and continue to try and make them when they've been debunked previously--yet is too blind to the truth to notice.

As for decent or amazing JRPG's, that's subjective, as /v/ has noted over the years.  I can say Kingdom Hearts, Skies of Arcadia, Golden Sun, Phantasy Star, Breath of Fire, Disgaea, Valkyrie Profile, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Tales of ___, Suikoden, Grandia, Wild ARMs, Star Ocean, Persona/Shin Megami Tensei, Shadow Hearts, Shining Force, Ys, Lunar, etc. etc. etc...but there will always be someone who says they do not like 'x' game.  But wait!  This is a partial list of games to back-up my arguement!

Still cannot pass Go.

>>58
Thread over.  This Anonymous wins by a hair.

>>58
"Stagenant" lol spelling
why are there at least three individual quality JRPG's released each month on average in America
Please, tell me how many of those have been successful.  The only ones that have recieved any acknowledgement from the public have been Square's RPGs.  Also, I don't know if you realize this, but releasing a sequel every 2 or 3 years IS A LOT.  Based on what you've said here though, I wouldn't expect you to know much about the video game market.

>I'm not going to do the work for you
If you are trying to argue a point, then you've just destroyed your whole argument right there.  The burden of proof is on you.  If you cannot give me an example of a popular game with those qualities, then your claim is completely unsubstantiated.

>I call you furry also because only someone with such a demented and/or juvinile mind-set would try to make the points you've attempted to make
Again, another fallacy.  You are calling American RPG supporters furries, because you have to resort to childish name calling to feel like you've made some sort of point.  Again you have done nothing to prove or further your argument.

As for decent or amazing JRPG's
Almost all of the games on that list are mediocre at best.  For example, Grandia was a horribly repetitive and linear game.  The few games on there that could be considered successes ARE MADE BY SQUARE.

Face it, you have nothing intelligent to say about this.

>>58
Your logic is retarded.  American RPG is better.

>>58
lol juvinile

>>60
And releasing an expansion every two to three years at $30+ a pop isn't "a lot"?

And as stated, quality is subjective.  I find Grandia a fun game.  Yes, it's linear and story-driven.  That doesn't make the game bad if the story is good.  And the stories in each game are excellent.  And while some games mentioned have not have gone on to be block-busters in America, that by no means make them poor games.  And most of those games are critically acclaimed--in America.

And since you're so lazy, I'll give you a head start on J-RPG's that don't have random battles:  Lunar, Grandia, Chrono Trigger, .hack, Valkyrie Profile.  You know, just to pull five off the top of my head.

I wonder why you're so determined to state Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest as the best of the J-RPG market?  Certainly they are popular, but does popularity and notoriety automatically make a game great?  If so, I have a boat-load of Atari 2600 E.T. games to sell you...

And you’re over-reaching.  I never called all American RPG players furries.  I called you a furry.  Learn to differentiate.

Oh, and to the grammar nazis: I am _so_ sorry.  juvenile; stagnant.

Face it: You don't have a case, nor a leg to stand on.  Japanese RPG's offer far greater variety than American RPG's ever have.  There is literally a game for every taste.  And that is what the OP is asking for.

>>60
Something I've noticed while reading through this thread.  For all the grand sweeping generalizations you make against jrpgs (which are a good 90% inaccurate), not once do you defend against any of 63's and so forth’s allegations against wrpgs.  Is it because you cannot, and therefore hide behind your attacks on jrpgs instead, hoping no one will notice?  It would be interesting to see you defend against some of the remarks made against wrpgs considering that they're mostly spot-on.  And the exceptions only prove the rule rather than break it.  And I'm an avid player. 

It was also funny to see him slam against the remark on cosplayers by bringing up the live-costume rpgers.

The whole bit about you being a furry is mundane, but then again: At the end of the day when everything is all said and done...you're a furry, and we're not.  Always wanted to say that.

>>63
You forgot the action-RPG's like Kingdom Hearts, Secret of Mana, etc.

wow, notice how all of the jrpg fanboys are posting on a friday night.  you guys must be closet furries if you have that much time on your hands.  anyway, jrpgs are far too story-based and linear.  you have no choice in how to act or influence the game world.  honestly, they can't even be considered true rpgs.  they are just an animu series in game form, which is why you fanboys obsess over them.  their gameplay is complete trash.

>>66
turn nerd or GTFO

DEFINITIVE POST TIME

1.  Anyone that says that a genre is better than another one is a closed minded idiot.  The only exception is that everything is better than country music.  This can be extended to say that anyone that says a genre is supreme to another in every way is a giant closed minded douchebag.
2.  Good jRPGs have great plots with amazing depth and creative worlds.  However, they have rehashed and monotonous gameplay (mainly due to too much focus on combat), and as a result power levelling can kill the game's difficulty.
3.  Western RPGs seem to be the opposite.  The gameplay is extremely addicting and the character development creates real attachment to your party.  The main problem is that truly epic and creative worlds are too few and far between.

Of course, there are strong games in both categories.  I'm not going to mention any, because you guys are assholes.  In conclusion, if you don't agree with this post GTFO.

SEXUAL POSITION GET

>>66
That's because once you get married, you stop dating.

If you're not a douche.

>>70
Then you should've had a relaxing ten beers.

>>71
Who says I didn't after I logged off?

Nah, I didn't.  Bitter.  Blech.

>>60
No reply in over a day :(

>>64
Is the Winner!

Xenogears!

Thread over >>68 is the winner!

>>75
Nah, you can't win for using logic in a middle-man arguement.

>>73

>>60
>>68
same person

>>77
So if that is the same person, he instead of defending his position as to why A-RPG's are best decides to take the middle ground, thereby negating all of his arguements against J-RPG's?

Loser.  I mean come on, he spouts and shouts...and then decides to say "Okay, this sub-genre has good aspects that are the exact opposite of that sub-genre, and you're retarded if you think anything else"?  When called on to defend his position after being shown he cannot defend his remarks he wusses out?

I take it back.  He's not a loser, he's pathetic.

>>78
lol you got trolled bad by >>77 and it probably wasn't even a troll

>>78
He's not a loser, he's pathetic.
LOL, WELCOME TO 4CHAN, YOU ARE ENGAGED IN AN ARGUMENT ON A VIDEO GAME BOARD, YOU ARE TOO