Good RPGs that are not Final Fantasy

recommendations?

>>116
>>119
Same person

>>110
Valid argument

>>116
>>119
>>120
same person

>>121
You may want to look back a little bit to post # 53.  Oh my God.  Game developers/publishers who make/release JRPG's outside Japan and in America that isn't Square-Enix.  Not only do you lose your argument, you lose all internets you may have won in the past in other threads for this blatant stupidity.

>>122
I'm 116 & 119, but not 120.  Lurk more.

>>123
wtf, >>53 isn't even relevant, you just listed off a bunch of companies that produce rpgs (mostly shit) in japan.  out of that list, only square has really had success selling rpgs in america.

>>124
Incorrect.  Each of those companies have enjoyed moderate to full success in selling various RPG's outside Japan, and especially in Japan.

And the "mostly shit" comment is what is actually irrelevant, as ones tastes are different than anothers.

Fail.  See that spot marked GO a little but ahead?  You don't get to pass it.

>>125
No, they haven't.

See that spot marked GO a little but ahead?  You don't get to pass it.
You need to die in a fire, for saying retarded shit like that.

>>126
how does it feel to be analy raped by other people arguments ;'(

>>127
how does it feel to be posting in a thread where everyones arguments are wrong ;'(

>>126
Yeah, they have.

And see, here's the problem.  The jRPG position has been defended.  As in each attack has been successfully deflected.  RPG game series that are popular not made by Square were listed even before #53.  Japanese game publishers who publish RPG's outside in America.  Generalizations made against jRPG's that are partially, if not wholly, incorrect (and then corrected by the jRPG position).

Yet what arguments has the aRPG position defended against?  None.  The only statement the aRPG group has made is that both sides have their plusses and minuses--which doesn't defend against any of the points made against aRPG's.

>>You need to die in a fire, for saying retarded shit like that.

And it's statements like this that keeps this debate from being intellectual in any capacity.  Now, I could say "...what else should I expect?  I'm talking to a guy who plays aRPG's in his momma's basement with his +10 Mana Wizard Hat on...", but I'm above that.  Not to mention your grammar sucks.  Helpful hint: You don't need a comma.

Like it has been already said jRPGs fail, because of bad writing and shitty stories. Simple as that. They excel in visuals and sometimes on gameplay. Arpgs(with exception of some ie. Fallout, Arcanum, Torment, KOTOR etc.) tend to suck even more balls, but this is mainly because retarded D&D tradition. Show me some jRPG with actual choices, dynamic storyline and atleast Fallout quality(meaning not brilliant, but not so bad either) writing and story. If such game really exist I have to play it.

>>129
no, they haven't

also, lol someone who's wasting time on 4chan writing arguments about jrpgs trying to call other people losers

>>130
Try Persona. 

Answer pulled out of ass in .074 seconds.

>>131
Wow...how vague can you be!  No, who hasn't what, pray tell?

>>129
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass.  try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.

>>133
Just re-read the thread again.  Yup, I'm right and you're wrong.  Every attack and generalization against jRPG's were nullified with truth and logic.  Might I suggest a nice pair of glasses for you?  I even know of some places that offer discounts if you're a AAA member.

Oh wait, silly me.  You have to be intelligent and have an iota of foresight to have a AAA membership.  Sadly, you need neither to be an aRPG player, though it is recommended to possess both to play jRPG.

>>134
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass.  try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.

>>135
STFU >>134 have defended himself whit good arguments
just read the damn post and GTFO

>>134
>>136
Same person.

He has never defended himself "whit" good arguments.  He just argues like an arrogant dick, really just making himself look like either a shut-in or a geek pissed off about getting bullied every day.  I don't think he's even reading the same thread, unless he considers calling people idiots "nullifying attacks".

>>137
well.. there's a post after most of his essays saying something along the lines of >>136
i think its just him pretending to be someone else..

>>137
Ahh...no.  I certainly didn't post 136.  I figured it was probably 133/135 or 130 trying to discredit me rather than answer any of the questions I've posed towards aRPG's.

to recap:
#47: "...all of these (regarding list in post #36) WapPGs, since they all play almost exactly the same..."
--Discredited.  The list provided in post #36 feature a tremendous amount of jRPG's that do not play similarly.

#51: "The only significant company in Japan is Square.  All of their games have a similar feel, and all of their Japanese competitors copy from them"
--Discredited.  The list provided in post #53 includes 14 signifigant Japanese companies who publish RPG's not similar to Square RPG's both in Japan and America.  Further, I am confident that most people will agree that Secret of Mana does not "feel" like Final Fantasy IV in play mechanics...as an example.

#55: "Random Encounters"
--True and False.  Many jRPG's feature random encounters.  Many don't.  Those titles that don't include R.E., but are not exclusive to these titles, were brought up in post #63.

#57: "The only major games to come out of it (Japan) now are Dragon Quest (#) and Final Fantasy (#)."
--Discredited.  See post #36 again.  Also see #58 & #63, specifically regarding the difference between a jRPG sequel every 2-3 years vs an aRPG expansion every year or less.

After #64 it turns into a cluster-fuck of idiocy, though #68 does try to take the moral high ground by defaming both aRPG's and jRPG's in different ways.  However, before this the posts defending jRPG's also made several statements against aRPG's, which have never been defended against in this thread (and were only re-inforced/confirmed by #64).  Is it because these statements against aRPG's are true?  And if not, prove it.

>>139
you win thread over

>>139
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass.  try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.

>>139
>>140
lol same person again

>>141
no is not the same person im from the foreing language board and im not the other guy

>>141
grab a fucking ip reader or something im from mexico telnornet

>>141
The rampant stupidity continues.

You really, REALLY need new material.  Because if this is the best you can do, then you should just stop here.  You have added nothing to the discussion, you have not defended any position, you have not brought any new material to the discussion.

At this point, you can either reply to the comments made in #139 intelligently, or you can be ignored and the discussion ends with my having the final word (not to be too egotistical or anything, but I have had the last intelligent word ABOUT the discussion).

>>144
wow, it must hurt to pull that much out of your ass.  try reading the thread again, this time paying attention to the posts that aren't condescending and full of inaccuracy, i.e. your posts.

>>144
lol, there's more than 2 people here, buddy.  i know you like you reply to your own posts and talk about how amazing they were, but that doesn't mean theres only one other guy here doing the same thing.  also, if you haven't noticed, most people don't have time for pointless arguments during the week.

>>146
Too bad.  You should try getting a job where your weekend is during the week. Little traffic, decent mid-week sales, little crowding in the theatre, little hassle at the market...it's great.

Oh, and as far as replying to my own posts: I may bump threads with something inane, but I'm hardly narcissistic.


And no points made against aRPG's have been defended in either posts #145 and #146.  It would appear that the discussion is settled, and all sides agree that the views and generalizations many aRPG players hold against jRPG's are falsehoods, lies, and/or the results of blatant ignorance.

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jRPGs are not true RPGs. Nor are games like Diablo. Using RPG stats, a true RPG it does not make. In a REAL rpg, YOU define the character with your actions. You talk to people, you have discussions, you make friends and enemies, and you actually have some control over it.

Deus Ex was more of an RPG that jRPG's, ffs. I'm not saying that they aren't fun games, because they are. I've wasted hours and hours playing jRPG's... going around, killing monsters, collecting crap. But I don't consider them to be real roleplaying games. You're not roleplaying anything. You don't shape your character, they already have their own static personalities. (Although sometimes very little)

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>>149
What you describe is the classic definition of RPG's.  Naturally, as time passes and societies change, so too do word definitions, intents, and purposes.  Now, while most RPG's on the market do not fall under the original definition of the acronym RPG (creating your own character and "living" that characters' role/life), it is now generally acceptable to consider non-create-your-own-character RPG's as RPG's.

tl;dl version: Go on wikipedia and look-up the origin of the word "Quiz" , then read the above to understand the signifigance and impact of public acception.

>>151
Okay, then let's go on wikipedia, and look up the definition of "RPG":  A role-playing game (RPG, often roleplaying game) is a type of game in which the participants assume the roles of characters and collaboratively create stories.

Now note that wikipedia is not a dictionary, and this is the accepted definition of RPGs.

... You all FAIL as gamers, because both of your egos and sterotypes and stupidity have all made you guys close minded. Nither is neither better or worse then the onther. THERE GAMES and it doesn't matter where they are from if there good .. there good.. if there bad there bad..  Maybe you both should shut the hell up and maybe try each others genres of games and maybe you will find something you like and expand your f#&^ing minds. I love both genre of games equally. When I tire of one I go to the other.  Like its not tottaly an rpg, but depends on how you look at it, but I just finish replaying deus ex again and system shock 2 . Both great must play games regardless what genre they are. But now i'm tired of the more western games and have now picked up disgaea 2 because I loved the first one and i'm haveing a blast. After I beat that I plan on going back and replaying fallout 1 and 2. depending on how i feel .. heck i might just skip the whole rpg genre and just go kill stuff in no one lives forever or play fear.

So stop your friggen argueing and expand your gameing specrum and incorperate both arpg and jrpgs and have fun.

And remember argueing on the internet is much like the special olympics even if you win or lose .. your still retarded.

Now a list of good rpgs

Western ones
Planescape: torment
baldersgate 1 and 2
fable was good not great but fun for a couple play throughs
Morrowind (didn't like oblivion as much as morrowind)
Vampire both of them (I know bloodlines has problems but i still loved it)
Fallout 1, 2 and tactics
summenor ( the first , the second one sucked)
Diablo 1 and 2
Champions of Norrath
kotor
( if you consider them rpgs)
deus ex
system shock 1 and 2

J rpgs
Disgaea
Disgaea 2
Makai Kigndom
Phatom brave
Front mission 3
.//hack
fire emblem
golden sun
vegrent story
tales of symphonia
cronos trigger

I'm with 153 here.  Why the fuck are we comparing Japanese and Western RPGs, anyway?  It's like comparing consoles and computers themselves.  You like one, you like the other, or you like both in varying proportions.

Me, I like certain Japanese RPGs, certain Western RPGs, and think the rest are mostly junk rip-offs.  A Western RPG fan pointing out that certain Japanese RPGs suck is a total glass-house situation, and vice versa.  Thread fails on that alone.

>>152
Also note that the wikipedia entry is based SOLELY on aRPG's with a firm bias towards table-top RPG's.  In fact, the entry you looked up (RPG) all-but only involves Table-top RPG's.  That's not exactly the medium we're talking about.  I'm sure you would have noticed if you had read the full article like I had a week ago.

I suggest you also take time to look-up "wRPG" (or under "Computer RPG") and "jRPG" on Wiki.  These entries offer the greatest explaination of the differences between the two styles of electronic RPG's that I have seen.

>>153
Quite honestly, I have nothing against aRPG's...beyond that they bore me.  Personal Preference is all that is though. 

I'm also just sick and tired of seeing the rampant "weeaboo-ness" against jRPG's/console RPG's on this board for the simple fact of where the game was made...and when critisized on that point I defended myself and my preference.

Amen.  I was tired of all the computer RPGs, most of them D&D clones.  Then I went to consoles.  Loved the Japanese RPGs... until I'd played half a dozen Final Fantasies and their various clones as well.  And that's when I really discovered that the RPG genre as a whole can get old fast unless people branch out.  Like Morrowind, Xenosaga, etc.

Of course, these days, I just don't have the time for them.  And some of them, I don't even have the patience.  I get into the grind portion, a shinier action game comes along, and I never finish the RPG.  Ah well.

READ A BOOK YOU FAT NERDS!!!!!!1

>>157
I read two three-hundred+ page fiction or non-fiction novels per day.  At work.

Bite me.

>>158
manga novels dosent count

>>158
"novels" are like the pop music of literature.  read a real book.