a lot of countries have their own problems with their governments, but damn, the chinese in particular seem to be pretty heavyhanded in their treatment of their citizens. is this just an exaggeration perpetuated by the media or are they really proper mean?
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Anonymous2006-06-24 0:49
>>1
China's government is really awful. Aside from having so much power centralized in so few hands, and being blatantly corrupt, they seriously seem to have no concern for human rights at all.
Unless you want the United States to turn into something like that, we need to vote out these Socialists/Fascists pissing all over our Bill of Rights and Constitution.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 0:59
After the hand over of Hong Kong, China has seen a dramatic increase in liberty. I guess the rulers had to see the benefits of liberty first hand to permit it, but have merely changed opinion from being the absolutist rulers of a billion strong 3rd world country to the sleight of hand rulers of a billion strong industrialised mega-nation.
So eventually China's government is going to buckle under the wieght of it's own development. There will be another revolution, there will be another T-square. Question isn't how, but when.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 5:39
Chinese people(with exception of Hong Kong, but if PRC doesn't die before 2040 they're gonna get that too) have always had very dirty opressive goverment. Communist party and Emperors are same shit in different package.
>>4
As the educated middle class increase in number and the economy depends on them, it really depends on Chinese culture what will be in the future. Most likely China will be an egalitarian atheist version of 50s america, where people just accept their place, are permitted to have dreams and ambitions if they are really serious, but most people will just be hard working with little interest beyond what the father know's best society determines for them.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 15:55
>>6
You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Chinese leaders are not only corrupt, and don't live by their own values... through their police statish powers, they attain near-emperor like status above their people.
Same shit, diff package.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 16:41
Communism is enslavement of all to all. Systems of the past have had enslavement of all to whoever the ruler was at the time... the lords/dukes/kings/emperors/whatever else.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 17:14
>>8
How dare you be intolerant of Chinese culture, remember everyone who isn't white is the epitome of moral rightseousness and you should never be quick to judge!
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Anonymous2006-06-24 17:17
>>10
Chinese goverment needs to be put down and we need to put Hong Kong in charge of everything. They have been doing fine and they do good movies too. Would be greatest thing ever.
>>8
Exactly, it's the same, big-brotherish bullshit as was pulled (or tried to) in the Soviet Union. People forget that these totalitarian regimes are responsible for the murder of over 170,000,000 people in the last century.
Yes, that's more than every war in the last century COMBINED! To all those big-government, statist liberals who claim to be anti-war, anti-violence, you need to consider these facts.
Big, statist governments, are the bloodiest invention of humanity in this century.
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Anonymous2006-06-25 22:54
>>13
There are a handful of accepted figures, but yes, it makes very little difference. It is a lot... too many. You should read the Black Book of Communism if you havent already.
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Anonymous2006-06-26 5:52
China's becoming all Westernized anyway...
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Anonymous2006-06-26 8:29
handling hongking =/= handling China
China is so damn big ! anyway sometimes cruel treatment is needed to ensure public order and security
>>15
It will probly only partially westernize. I think most of the westernization of China is because of western businesses moving in.. but I think the Chinese government will minimize it, and keep authority and control by the usual means... brute force, and brutal suppression of internal opposition.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 5:33
>>18
They can't keep it going forever though. The fact that they're supressing western news etc. shows that they have already problem running their country. Eventually that big bubble of lies breaks and people rise up against their goverment for real. There's been already several farmers blowing up goverment buildings(and themselves) with fertilizer bombs.
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I predict another Korea. China will more than likely break up into seperate countries if things keep going like this. China will either westernize, remain as it is, or break up.
Making:
1. get nitrogen fertilizer
2. mix it with fuel oil
3. build/get explosive detonator and stick it to your new bomb 4. profit and figure out the rest(shouldn't be hard)
>>1
The treatment of it's citizens is mostly related to the fact that they are Communist. In order to have a Communist society, you need to be violent and ruthless in order to keep society in line. Read the BLack book of Communism. Look at the history of the Soviet Union... it's very similar, if not horribly worse.
That movie examines a lot of the similar regimes as well, including the main ones, such as USSR and China. It's awful stuff...and that movie is particularly graphic.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 18:43
>>25
Sauce for news mainly but thanks for the bomb instructions!
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Anonymous2006-06-27 20:46
>>27
Always happy to help remember though that building bombs without proper license is Party Vannable and don't blowup yourself(unless you take out a crooked politician or two by doing that).
>>29
True. Kind of impossible to compare them. Under communism you're slave to goverment and under fascism well you're still slave to goverment.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 22:30
>>30
Except under communism everyone is a slave under the government equally, that has to count for something.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 22:32
>>31
Not really. Even in Communism the elite is more happy than ever. They can abuse system as they want for their own means. Under fascism it's pretty much same.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 22:49
>>32
Yeah I know that, but anyone can be a ruthless sadistic maniac and have a chance of getting to the top regardless of their ethnic group, unlike fascism where only genocidal psychopaths of a particular ethnic group can get to the top.
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Anonymous2006-06-28 2:56
>>33
Fascism is not necessarilly genocidal. It is always a brutal, and oppressive form of government, but it is not always genocidal.
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Anonymous2006-06-28 5:54
>>34
Doesn't mean they can't be or funnel all their genocidal urges towards a few select people.
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Anonymous2006-06-28 8:06
>>35
Same goes with communism. Both are pretty much equally bad idelogies. Note that greatest killers in whole human history are Mao and Stalin. Hitler's genocide is pretty tame compared to what they did.
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Anonymous2006-06-28 15:02
>>36
I agree. Most people don't know how awful the COMMUNIST societies of the past were. They think the worst of the last century was Hitler...
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Anonymous2006-06-29 14:01
yes
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Anonymous2006-06-29 15:36
>>37
Those weren't communist societies, they were despotisms.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 16:03
same thing
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Anonymous2006-06-29 16:23
>>39
Half truth and half communist propaganda. Marx was authoritarian and communism was intended to be very authoritarian and stricly controlled system. True communism is strictly authoritarian society in which every worker works for good of state and they have no right to own property, but state is supposed to provide them all they need. In short it's slave camp in which everyone is supposed to be equal as in equally fucked. Communist countries in past have been quite true to Marx, but the fact is that their rulers have in all cases abused system for their personal gain.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 16:35
>>41
Maybe. But, whether or not Communism as a system of government can be enforced in non-authoritarian methods is very doubtful to me. I see the authoritarianism as a necessary additive to the mixture in order to keep people subservient.
On the contrary, in free market capitalism, if you want, nothing is stopping you from go joining a commune or something. (Non-violent communism for you.)
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>>42
Yeah, that's what I say to every communist. Go and start your own commune. That way they won't destroy other people's lives with their beliefs and can be happy in their commune. They could even make it a tourist attraction called Soviet Village or something.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 22:02
>>44 Yes. They should go live on a commune and stop trying to ram their agenda down everyone elses' throats through taxes.
>>47
Everything is cultural. That doesn't mean though that you should accept cultures that are against your ideals.
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Anonymous2006-07-03 20:13
>>48
So nothing. That was the question asked at the start of the thread. I answered it.
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Anonymous2006-07-04 8:52
>>17
whatever mate, handling a small shop with 5 employees, is different with handling a multimillion corporation with thousands of employees, use that as an example
>>19
Hopefully... China's government sucks as it is.
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Anonymous2006-07-08 3:05
VACHINA
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Anonymous2006-07-08 4:55
lol these are some of the things people in china are executed for:
poisoning of livestock
murder
attempted murder
manslaughter
killing a tiger
armed robbery
robbery
rape
causing injury
assault
habitual theft
theft
burglary
kidnapping
trafficking in women or children
organizing prostitution
pimping
organizing pornography rings
publishing pornography
hooliganism
seriously disrupting public order
causing explosions
destroying or causing damage to public or private property
"counter-revolutionary sabotage"
arson
drug-trafficking
corruption
embezzlement
taking bribes
fraud
speculation and profiteering
forgery
reselling value-added tax receipts
tax evasion
stealing or illegally manufacturing weapons
illegally possessing or selling firearms and ammunition
stealing or dealing in national treasures or cultural relics
selling counterfeit money
blackmail.
they can even execute your for killing a panda. even in self-defense. because we all know some bears that shit all day and eat bamboo are way more important than humans right?
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Anonymous2006-07-08 5:33
Nice.
So, you can sell and do drugs at will, without the fear of execution! Yay! What about public sex with prostitutes? I don't mind spending 20 years in a foreign prison with shit all over my feet, it's better than that "dying". Not so appealing.
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Anonymous2006-07-08 5:38
poisoning of livestock
killing a tiger
robbery
habitual theft
theft
burglary
pimping
organizing pornography rings
publishing pornography
hooliganism
seriously disrupting public order
causing explosions
destroying or causing damage to public or private property
"counter-revolutionary sabotage"
corruption
embezzlement
taking bribes
fraud
speculation and profiteering
forgery
reselling value-added tax receipts
tax evasion
stealing or illegally manufacturing weapons
illegally possessing or selling firearms and ammunition
stealing or dealing in national treasures or cultural relics
selling counterfeit money
blackmail.
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Anonymous2006-07-08 5:48
So, it IS still possible to have sex in a parking lot.
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Anonymous2006-07-08 7:04
surfing 4chan is punishable by death iirc
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Anonymous2006-07-08 8:37
where?
In my country, it is mandatory to do so, as well as drink urine.
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Anonymous2006-07-08 12:20
communism works in small groups (like a few friends), but not on a large scale
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Anonymous2006-07-08 17:12
meanies
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Anonymous2006-07-08 18:34
Socialism is not the same as Nazism. In fact they`re on opposite ends of the political spectrum.
China has billions of people being raised as cattle. For some reason, that country hasn`t exploded into civil war as of yet, but I guarantee that eventually there will be a political revolution there, and the fallout will hit most of the eastern countries and eventually filter into the west. It`ll probably happen either before or during world war three.
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Anonymous2006-07-10 6:12
>>66
Nazism = abrevitation for National SOCIALISM and is infact LEFT-wing ideology.
It's common misconception that Nazi's were purely right-wing, but it's understandable as typically fascist are right-wing. Nazism however was left-wing fascism.
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Anonymous2006-07-10 11:11
The only thin distinguishing national socialists from socialists was the amount of social freedom they allowed, which is just an irrelevant political tidbit.
The idea is, get a bunch of people and tell them they are oppressed and downtrodden, blame all your problems on some secret society which supposedly no one can see or touch, then generalise all political opponents as being part of this conspiracy and claim that if the you owned the government and the govenrment had complete control over everything the country would be a better place.
It's all written in the communist manifesto. Frankly I'm terrified that some people are too stupid to see this and actually want to support socialism. It would be like living in a world where machiavelli was considerred a saint.
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Anonymous2006-07-10 20:04
>>66
That is complete horse shit. The opposite of Socialism/Communism is not Fascism or Nazism. It is laissez-faire capitalism.
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Anonymous2006-07-10 20:14
>>69
Truth told. No one has actually logically defined what in the fuck the right-left divide is.
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Anonymous2006-07-11 5:38
Socialism and fascism are just two variants of statism. They both suck.
>>66
I can't see a revolution happening in China. The government there has gun bans. They have all the firepower.
In China, the government and the people are not the same thing.
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Anonymous2006-07-11 10:07
>>72
Let's flood them with guns. Norinco floods us with illegal(and mostly pirated) and "illegal"(import banned semi-autos) guns from Mexico. Time to for payback.
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Anonymous2006-07-11 14:41
>>73
We'd be in for some heavy competition from the russians.
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Anonymous2007-04-14 12:02 ID:CJm4e4Bk
>>71
Yet another reason gun control is made of complete fail.
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Anonymous2007-04-14 14:05 ID:glhG6oRf
All governments suck
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Anonymous2007-04-14 14:43 ID:M8Lsjiea
china hates freedom. therefore china = terrorists. i'm never eating chinese again.