a lot of countries have their own problems with their governments, but damn, the chinese in particular seem to be pretty heavyhanded in their treatment of their citizens. is this just an exaggeration perpetuated by the media or are they really proper mean?
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Anonymous2006-06-24 0:49
>>1
China's government is really awful. Aside from having so much power centralized in so few hands, and being blatantly corrupt, they seriously seem to have no concern for human rights at all.
Unless you want the United States to turn into something like that, we need to vote out these Socialists/Fascists pissing all over our Bill of Rights and Constitution.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 0:59
After the hand over of Hong Kong, China has seen a dramatic increase in liberty. I guess the rulers had to see the benefits of liberty first hand to permit it, but have merely changed opinion from being the absolutist rulers of a billion strong 3rd world country to the sleight of hand rulers of a billion strong industrialised mega-nation.
So eventually China's government is going to buckle under the wieght of it's own development. There will be another revolution, there will be another T-square. Question isn't how, but when.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 5:39
Chinese people(with exception of Hong Kong, but if PRC doesn't die before 2040 they're gonna get that too) have always had very dirty opressive goverment. Communist party and Emperors are same shit in different package.
>>4
As the educated middle class increase in number and the economy depends on them, it really depends on Chinese culture what will be in the future. Most likely China will be an egalitarian atheist version of 50s america, where people just accept their place, are permitted to have dreams and ambitions if they are really serious, but most people will just be hard working with little interest beyond what the father know's best society determines for them.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 15:55
>>6
You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Chinese leaders are not only corrupt, and don't live by their own values... through their police statish powers, they attain near-emperor like status above their people.
Same shit, diff package.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 16:41
Communism is enslavement of all to all. Systems of the past have had enslavement of all to whoever the ruler was at the time... the lords/dukes/kings/emperors/whatever else.
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Anonymous2006-06-24 17:14
>>8
How dare you be intolerant of Chinese culture, remember everyone who isn't white is the epitome of moral rightseousness and you should never be quick to judge!
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Anonymous2006-06-24 17:17
>>10
Chinese goverment needs to be put down and we need to put Hong Kong in charge of everything. They have been doing fine and they do good movies too. Would be greatest thing ever.
>>8
Exactly, it's the same, big-brotherish bullshit as was pulled (or tried to) in the Soviet Union. People forget that these totalitarian regimes are responsible for the murder of over 170,000,000 people in the last century.
Yes, that's more than every war in the last century COMBINED! To all those big-government, statist liberals who claim to be anti-war, anti-violence, you need to consider these facts.
Big, statist governments, are the bloodiest invention of humanity in this century.
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Anonymous2006-06-25 22:54
>>13
There are a handful of accepted figures, but yes, it makes very little difference. It is a lot... too many. You should read the Black Book of Communism if you havent already.
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Anonymous2006-06-26 5:52
China's becoming all Westernized anyway...
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Anonymous2006-06-26 8:29
handling hongking =/= handling China
China is so damn big ! anyway sometimes cruel treatment is needed to ensure public order and security
>>15
It will probly only partially westernize. I think most of the westernization of China is because of western businesses moving in.. but I think the Chinese government will minimize it, and keep authority and control by the usual means... brute force, and brutal suppression of internal opposition.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 5:33
>>18
They can't keep it going forever though. The fact that they're supressing western news etc. shows that they have already problem running their country. Eventually that big bubble of lies breaks and people rise up against their goverment for real. There's been already several farmers blowing up goverment buildings(and themselves) with fertilizer bombs.
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I predict another Korea. China will more than likely break up into seperate countries if things keep going like this. China will either westernize, remain as it is, or break up.
Making:
1. get nitrogen fertilizer
2. mix it with fuel oil
3. build/get explosive detonator and stick it to your new bomb 4. profit and figure out the rest(shouldn't be hard)
>>1
The treatment of it's citizens is mostly related to the fact that they are Communist. In order to have a Communist society, you need to be violent and ruthless in order to keep society in line. Read the BLack book of Communism. Look at the history of the Soviet Union... it's very similar, if not horribly worse.
That movie examines a lot of the similar regimes as well, including the main ones, such as USSR and China. It's awful stuff...and that movie is particularly graphic.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 18:43
>>25
Sauce for news mainly but thanks for the bomb instructions!
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Anonymous2006-06-27 20:46
>>27
Always happy to help remember though that building bombs without proper license is Party Vannable and don't blowup yourself(unless you take out a crooked politician or two by doing that).
>>29
True. Kind of impossible to compare them. Under communism you're slave to goverment and under fascism well you're still slave to goverment.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 22:30
>>30
Except under communism everyone is a slave under the government equally, that has to count for something.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 22:32
>>31
Not really. Even in Communism the elite is more happy than ever. They can abuse system as they want for their own means. Under fascism it's pretty much same.
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Anonymous2006-06-27 22:49
>>32
Yeah I know that, but anyone can be a ruthless sadistic maniac and have a chance of getting to the top regardless of their ethnic group, unlike fascism where only genocidal psychopaths of a particular ethnic group can get to the top.
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Anonymous2006-06-28 2:56
>>33
Fascism is not necessarilly genocidal. It is always a brutal, and oppressive form of government, but it is not always genocidal.
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Anonymous2006-06-28 5:54
>>34
Doesn't mean they can't be or funnel all their genocidal urges towards a few select people.
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Anonymous2006-06-28 8:06
>>35
Same goes with communism. Both are pretty much equally bad idelogies. Note that greatest killers in whole human history are Mao and Stalin. Hitler's genocide is pretty tame compared to what they did.
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Anonymous2006-06-28 15:02
>>36
I agree. Most people don't know how awful the COMMUNIST societies of the past were. They think the worst of the last century was Hitler...
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Anonymous2006-06-29 14:01
yes
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Anonymous2006-06-29 15:36
>>37
Those weren't communist societies, they were despotisms.