"The students nodded, emphatically agreeing with a statement which upwards of sixty-two thousand repetitions in the dark had made them accept, not merely as true, but as axiomatic, self-evident, utterly indisputable."
Geek credit to whoever tells me what this reference is from. (i.e. Google)
Lord of the Rings is more historically accurate than the Bible.
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Anonymous2007-09-08 21:49 ID:zf1CUwXh
>>25
Lord of the Rings is bad fiction, the Bible is fact. Unless you have some basis for your outrageous claim? (You are wrong, by the way, you can save yourself some embarrassment and just agree with me)
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Anonymous2007-09-08 21:51 ID:JmCzgN4P
The bible is as fictional as Lord of the Rings, at least Lord of the Rings is interesting.
You forgot capitalize the word Bible, therefore your whole post is wrong. Next!
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Anonymous2007-09-09 1:51 ID:LN0EVq7A
Religion in general is bullshit; have us think for you, give us money, become a biggot, and start wars!
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Anonymous2007-09-09 3:59 ID:JPZj6wcv
religion is unprovable. on the contrary, evolution has yet to ever be disproved.
our silly "bible" is merely a lot of fanciful tales admittedly written by random people who may or may not have been possessed or "inspired" silliness. saying something is true because it just is is the lamest argument EVAR seriously, sounds like childrens beliefs with huge gaps in logic
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Anonymous2007-09-09 8:27 ID:ID9bXz0C
>>30
There is proof everywhere that God exists, and since I have not seen you cite any evidence to back up your position, I can only assume you are lying. What I see in your post is a string of insults, no more. Please get out of my thread if you cannot present a proper argument, Satan. (Or at least use some punctuation in your next post)
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Anonymous2007-09-09 9:23 ID:pJRaCU/p
Bible is fan fiction.
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Anonymous2007-09-09 10:06 ID:bqyldgv1
Of course it's fanfiction, since everything in the NT were not written by Jews.
Reigion has been distorted and burned through time. The telephone effet.
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Anonymous2007-09-09 14:24 ID:LN0EVq7A
>>31
Here's proof that the Bible is contradictory; Jesus says accept your fellow man, love your neighbor, yet God punishes those who don't believe. If God and Jesus accept everyone for who they are, then why are non-believers punished? Either God is a hyppocritical asshole, or the Bible is simply bullshit.
>>31 >"There is proof everywhere that God exists."
No there isn't. There isn't any evidence proving god's existence. There isn't evidence saying there isn't a god either, but there is evidence that fundamentalist gods such as God from the bible or Allah from the Quran could never physically exist as literally described in any popular bible.
The Christian bible is a piece of shit, especially the king James version. It is written by MAN (and therefore not perfect). It is a translation of a translation that has been edited by every king and queen up until King James, on top of distortions of being copied by hand by scribes. What remains is a random, contradictory piece of shit pile of folklore describing an insecure anthropomorphic god. It has been used as warfare and more people have died in its name than any other incentive. It is absolutely obsolete and detrimental to the human species.
One thing I find interesting is how most people who follow the bible literally are so ignorant as to its history. Seriously, any time you have some bible toting evangelist fucking with you, ask him where his bible came from. This boggles my mind.
>>37
Apparently >>31 is some gayfagass who thinks "beauty" is some proof of a divinity. OF course, he can't produce a burning bush, a walk on water, a divided sea, or anything else of clear indication of an external power acting to counter Physics, Chemistry, etc.
Public Message to Judeo-Christians: Your Jahweh obviously doesn't exist. It has poked its hand into the universe often enough, according to your stories. Where is all that hand-pokin' now? We have recording devices and other detection equipment now. Where is all this god-thing now? Well, the obvious and overwhelming answer is that your old stories are pure fucking BULLSHIT and that the "god" envisioned in those stories is also bullshit. If there is a divinity in the universe, it is wholly unlike your "big Jewish guy in the sky" metaphor. And even if there is a divinity in the universe, WE STILL REQUIRE EVIDENCE TO KNOW IT.
>>38
The hypothesis that a supernatural entity created the universe is completely consistent with our current scientific observations that the universe exists. So you're going to need to try a little harder if you want to refute science.
When Jesus says, accept they fellow man, he means believers. Non-Christians are wild beasts and should not even be considered "men".
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Anonymous2007-09-09 19:16 ID:ID9bXz0C
Since this is the "Math and Science" forum here. I am going to offer you a simple mathematical "proof" that confirms the existance of God, that you can do in your very own living room. All you need is a paper and pen.
>>38
I've read a while ago that occasionally, sections of water can naturally open up as a result of strong winds. If it has any degree of predictability, all Moses had to do was wait for a good time, wave his hands and claim it was God's doing.
For a burning bush, one only needs to douse the bush with an alcohol water mixture that doesn't consume the underlying material. I've seen this done on dollar bills.
In the end, there is no proof of external powers.
>>39
A supernatural entity not existing is also consistent with our data. I wonder what that proves...
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Anonymous2007-09-10 1:26 ID:M9Lgukml
>>40
Hey, Jesus meant EVERYONE. Jesus was essentially a hippie, and he felt compassion for EVERYONE. It even says this in a little book you may have heard of called THE BIBLE. So by posting that you sound like an arrogant biggot with no common logic, which is how most religious people are.
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Anonymous2007-09-10 1:34 ID:M9Lgukml
>>45
Oh, I almost forgot: if Jesus only meant Christians (which there was hardly any of at the time), then why was he willing to "die for our sins"? Obviously, if he was willing to die for a bunch "non-believers" then he did accept them. You should know this by now, since you claim to be such a hardcore Christian, but no; you still need to pull your fucking head out of your fatass and maybe read the Bible, because sounds like you don't know some of the major details. So until you you do that and then possibly realize what bullshit religion is, fuck off you ignorant cunt.
First of all, I said BELIEVERS. Not Christians specifically. Learn to read. There were only Jews at that time, believers were people who believed in God, and hid son the Lord. I have read the Bible, Jesus dies so that we can go to Heaven. You cannot go to heaven if you are a heathen. Where do you get your facts (certainly not the Bible) The idea was that Jesus made his religion inclusive to all, not just a "chosen people", like the Jews. Jesus loves us all, but unbelievers are still going to Hell (God's punishment). I don't see how this is contradictory. Accept Christ and you will go to Heaven.
>>51
Well, obviously you should always use the latest stable version.
The KJV distro has a lots of new features in latest SVN, but those are still too unstable for home users.
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Anonymous2007-09-11 1:04 ID:JwQUVII8
>>47
No, I don't get my facts from the Bible; I get them from a science book. And what your saying still makes God sound like a contradictory asshole; he feels compassion for all living creatures, yet he'll send them to Hell. For example, say there was a girl who was athiest, but a very nice person. She is kind and neighborly like the Bible says you should, but she doesn't beleive in God. But if there is a Heaven, then she should get in, should she not? And hey, once she gets up there she could say, "Huh, Christianity was right; well I'm sorry!" That's what it should say in the Bible, but because it doesn't that is a contradiction. Why do think so many Christians are biggots? Because of that. Don't accept Christ? Well go fuck yourself then, even though Jesus says to treat everyone with respect and acceptance.
You are very likely making all of this up, but I will play along. This girl who is an atheists will go to Hell, there is no chance for her to get into Heaven unless she repents. She must know this fact, but still denies God. Clearly she is exhibiting massochistic tendencies. She knows she can save her soul by becoming a Christian, but she would rather ger raped by Satan in Hell. Some nice person...
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Anonymous2007-09-11 9:14 ID:i6yoKZTk
In the bible, it says Pi (3.1415...) is equal to THREE yes, 3!!
It says it here:
"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26
Pi is the ratio of diameter to circumference.So you divide 30 cubits by 10 cubits and you get only three!
I don't think God created dinosaur bones explicitly to test us, more likely Satan has something to do with this. You see, it is true dinosaurs did not exist, but the Bible makes mention of dragons. It is very possible, nay plausible, that what we think are "dinosaur fossils" are actually the bones of dragons, re-arranged by evil atheists ("paleontologists") to make us doubt the Bible. I'm not falling for it, Satan!
>>64
Actually, religion threads are filled with FAIL since there's no evidence supporting any of their assertions whatsoever, EXCEPT the assertion that a particularly nosy deity doesn't exist since His Nosiness isn't evident when recording or detection devices are around.
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Anonymous2007-09-13 3:30 ID:7lou1veF
>>39
There is no proof that the supernatural entity which created the universe is the God described in the bible.
>>70
Even more pressing, the is no proof that a supernatural entity which created the universe, and furthermore there is no proof that supernatural entities even exist!
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Anonymous2007-09-13 6:27 ID:7jCGlY35
>>71
There's no proof that they don't exist. However, it is my belief that they don't exist.
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Anonymous2007-09-13 8:18 ID:qj1+h7Ds
This is not true, the Bible clearly states that God exist and supernatural events do occur. I don't know where you guys are getting your facts from, but the Bible is the only true source facts and information.
The word "of" should be between the words "source" and "facts". Pardon me for this error, I had better check my posts more carefully. I'm starting to type like these atheists!
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Anonymous2007-09-13 13:30 ID:AN83F0w6
>>74
You also omitted the 's' in "exists." Also, I am an atheist correcting your grammar.
This thread is getting bumped until there is a board for religious discussion. I have sent emails so it should not be long now.
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Anonymous2007-09-16 0:29 ID:EPTILKG+
bump
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4tran2007-09-16 2:30 ID:/G6OlvtQ
RedCream is being suspiciously not angry. When atheists/agnostics make mention of the uncertainty of their beliefs, he gets angry at what should be certainty. When a theist finally shows up, he suddenly stops getting angry/demanding proof.
a) RedCream has multiple personalities
b) The theist is actually a troll
c) RedCream is conspiring with the theist to convert everybody on /sci/ to Christianity
What I said in >>71 is EPIC WIN. The religifags have to post proof of their outrageous assertions or STFU and GTFO for being adherents of a provable falsehood. Remember, the religitards aren't just claiming some giant alien space monster created the universe; they are ALSO claiming this G.A.S.M. is omnipresent (meaning, a detection device can find it anywhere) and has (from the stories) shown great interest in altering reality for Humans in obvious and unnatural ways. However, no proof of these things has been found. None whatsoever.
You know what they call it when nothing happens when it SHOULD BE happening, when the cameras and other detection equipment are ready? Yeh, it's called a FUCKING FRAUD. There's just no "God", you ninnies. Get used to it.
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Anonymous2007-09-16 7:31 ID:rxuIY7QZ
proof that god does not exist (atleast in 4chan)->
rule 34: if it exists there is porn of it
there is no porn of god
if you argue that; yes, there is porn of god then the Bible cannot be true as in the Bible it says that we as mortals cannot possibly comprehend gods form, THEREFORE to have porn of god would 1. not actually be god-porn 2. prove that he is not real or in the very least, that the Bible r lying
if you give the argument of rule 35 that: "If no porn is found at the moment, it will be made." i think its safe to say that there has been PLENTY of time for god-porn to be made, even though it was proven beforehand that this would be impossible
if you still argue that god existed, and is all powerful, that means he can divide himself by zero, but doing that would cause an Oh Noes of biblically epic proportions that even god himself could not solve -> meaning that he is not all powerful.
This Redcream must be very angry at God for some reason. Don't listen to him, he is doing Satan's bidding! He knows just as well as me that God exists. I pray for his soul!
That's a clever argument, but I'm afraid you're wrong. While it is true that there exists no porn of the christian god (that I know of), there are other religions that release quite a lot of porn featuring their gods. Hinduism is known for this, but most of their porn is softcore. Nonetheless, your argument is refuted.
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Anonymous2007-09-16 14:04 ID:+lmxEGT8
Read the bible then...
How many times has Satan ever been the cause of someones death?
God however
•God takes away Adam and Eve's eternal life, thus committing the first murder, and holds their descendants responsible and visiting Adam and Eve's punishment down on their children. In today's moral standards, the sins of the father die with the father.
•God destroys all life on Earth in a great flood, except for a drunk (Noah) and his family, for failing to worship him.
•God's tenth plague upon the Israelites was the unjustified murder of all firstborn sons in Egypt, which undoubtedly included little children.
•Before sending the plagues to Egypt, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" so that he wouldn't let the Israelites go, so he could have an excuse to visit horrible plagues upon them, like boils, killing cattle and murdering all firstborn sons. (Exodus 4:21)
•God orders the Levites to kill their "every man and his neighbor" for worshipping another god. This cost 3000 lives. (Exodus 32:27)
•God sends a plague to the Israelites, apparently feeling that mass-butchery wasn't enough of a punishment. (Exodus 32:35)
•God kills Onan for refusing to impregnate his late brother's (whom God also slew) wife and instead "spilling his seed on the ground." (Genesis 38:8-10)
•God kills the entire populations of Soddom and Gammorah (again, including women, children and infants) for practicing certain sexual techniques.
•God gives all Philistines hemorrhoids in their pubic areas. (1 Samuel 5:9)
•God kills over 50,000 people for looking at an ark. (1 Samuel 6:19)
•God kills 70,000 people because King David decided to have a census. (1 Chronicles 21:7-14)
•God approves of slavery, and instructs owners to beat their slaves. (Proverbs 29:19)
•And, finally, God makes sure that if you are guilty of even the smallest transgression, you shall suffer endlessly for all eternity, following a dramatic homecoming for Jesus, who will be extremely pissed off at everyone for putting him to death, even though it was just the Romans and even though he knew what was going to happen beforehand, and he could have easily avoided it by using his power as God to perform a miracle and prove who he was. (See the entire book of Revelation)
What has Satan ever done?
He gave the people knowledge, he tried to get Jesus to join his side so that he didn"t have to die, and he doesn't try to make people feel guilty for doing something fun. *such as fapping*
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Anonymous2007-09-16 18:38 ID:EPTILKG+
All of those people God "killed" clearly deserved to die, especially the Sodomites.
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Anonymous2007-09-16 18:45 ID:zioW14wa
>>88
Oh yeah, specially those little children. Fucking anoying fucks. It's all "BAWWWWWW" the entire time.
Also:
>God kills Onan for refusing to impregnate his late brother's (whom God also slew) wife and instead "spilling his seed on the ground."
>spilling his seed on the ground
God haets masturbation.
Rightfully so, whenever I feel the urge to masturbate I beat my hand and genitals with a leather belt and read the Bible until the feeling passes.
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Anonymous2007-09-16 21:38 ID:fdb1xXAs
>All of those people God "killed" clearly deserved to die, especially the Sodomites.
Then how come most Abrahamic denominations teach that God doesn't pick favorites and that all people are evil? How come God broke one of his own commandments that clearly states not to kill? There's contradicitons in your own "holy" texts. Those are just a couple of reasons why religion is just a bunch of corruption and brainwashing.
I have read the Bible fifteen times, there are no contradictions, I have checked. All people are sinners, but not all deserve to be killed for their sins, but they must repent. In the case of homosexuals, they DO.
(If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. -- Lev.20:13)
God's commandments were from Him to us humans, He can do whatever He likes.
okay lemmie get the low down, basically on the premise that if there was no porn of god he does not exist (>>81)
quote "While it is true that there exists no porn of the christian god...there are other religions that release quite a lot of porn featuring their gods. Hinduism is known for this, but most of their porn is softcore."
so basically, you admit that the hindu gods are real, and that the christian god is not
well that about ties things up GG
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4tran2007-09-17 5:36 ID:mB14Rh2g
>>80
Omnipresent Ridiculous Giant Alien Space Monster = O.R.G.A.S.M. ?
>>97
I can see YOU ARE AFRAID TO DEBATE WITH 4TRAN
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Anonymous2007-09-18 23:34 ID:hL/UtoUg
I think the moar correct formula for the simultaneous existence and non existence of God is
1 + 1 = 0
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Anonymous2007-09-18 23:52 ID:GwpY9Qld
Intelligent design
>A pelvis that should have us dragging our knuckles on the ground
>A bad back that can easily get injured and paralyze us
>A vestigial appendix that can get filled with bacteria and kill us
>A jaw that is basically a smashed up snout
>Heads so big that our females have the most trouble giving birth on earth
I never get what the argument is about. If god indeed exists, then he could have created the universe yesterday and just implanted our memories. The question is: If all of the fossil and carbon dating evidence is there either way, why not go with it?
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Anonymous2007-09-19 3:21 ID:cxLwtdUX
>>29
...I don't think you know what religion is.
You certainly know what scientology is, fag.
>>36
Your timelines are mixed up. Come back when you know what you're talking about.
>>37
BS. I've read It in greek and It synchs up exactly.
>>38
Logic dictates that God does exist, and many physicists who study the universe claim that there ARE forces acting against those we know, though they'd never admit it was God. By the way, there is evidence,you all just choose to ignore it.
>>101
Come back yourself, chanfag, once you have even the least evidence for divinity in our universe. You have ZERO. You are sitting on a 100% missing mountain of evidence. Since any old fool can lie about the size of evidence that doesn't exist, we can see what you did there.
Laughing! I'm laughing at >>101 sitting there like a masturbatory jackass, all alone, surrounded by a complete absence of any evidence whatsoever!
POST EVIDENCE OF THIS DIVINITY OR IT DOESN'T EXIST.
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Anonymous2007-09-19 4:02 ID:IcyYzzAT
EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND YOU
EXISTENCE ITSELF
IF YOU COULD SEE ANYTHING MORE MIRACULOUS IT WOULD NO LONG BE A MIRACLE TO YOU
gtfo catholic scum the religion will FAIL mark my words. the bible is false full of bias stories and crap
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Anonymous2007-09-20 2:51 ID:pQYqN6Gf
Anyone who has actually ever, even a single time, read the bible, knows that god is mean fuck, who likes to kill people.
This 'satan' seem to be most friendly compared to 'god', I mean, both want your soul, and are higher beings...
Anyone ever thought that the people who wrote the bible thought the earth was flat?
And did anyone notice that the bible doesn't mention, northern Europe, Asia, southern Africa, Australia, none of the great oceans, northern American continent, nor the southern american continent, The south, nor the north pole...
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Anonymous2007-09-20 3:01 ID:+wUg0+Ql
>>105 You have to admit that you shouldn't believe something exists if there is no evidence that it exists, otherwise we'd all be hiding from the giant invisible flesh-eating bananas.
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Anonymous2007-09-20 3:27 ID:2WMwekbJ
>>110
Right. That'd distract us from the real threats, such as Spiny Norman.
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Anonymous2007-09-20 3:55 ID:BiCDDFcI
>>108
I know of a guy like you. Thought religion would wither up and die, wiped from the face of the Earth and human memory alike.
Voltaire. Now they print Bibles in his old house.
>>102
Which fulfilled Biblical prophecy should I explain? Or should I explain that no other sacred text on Earth contains such evidence of its validity?
I leave the choice to you.
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Anonymous2007-09-20 4:14 ID:+wUg0+Ql
>>112 Yes, please give evidence of fulfilled Biblical prophecies.
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Anonymous2007-09-20 4:14 ID:pQYqN6Gf
>>112 Please point out where around the year 1000 Jesus came back earth and satan was thrown in a fiery lake, where did that happen?
And where is the 1000 year kindom?!
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Anonymous2007-09-20 4:16 ID:+wUg0+Ql
>>112 actually just give evidence of one, the one which is most believable and provable.
>>116 pretty crappy if that is the best you have to offer, doesn't make me believe in god at all. How many of the jews do you think knew what moses said. If someone said that Israel was Gods land and that you would live there (and you believed it), isn't there a change you would go there? fail. I need a more specific prophecy.
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Anonymous2007-09-20 5:03 ID:+wUg0+Ql
btw I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Anonymous2007-09-20 5:07 ID:fuOoB2Qf
yeah neither do i, this thread has officially opened my eyes and converted me from a christian to an athiest, now i can stop sacrificing lambs and bathing in its blood!
- THANK YOU 4CHAN
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Anonymous2007-09-20 12:09 ID:a1Zrq4xB
Noooooo! you must bath in Lambs blood! think of the children will someone please think of the children......... or actualy don't thats just wrong, you guys sicken me!
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Anonymous2007-09-20 17:54 ID:BiCDDFcI
>>100
Pelvis- what are you talking about?
Back- Are you by chance an angry paraplegic?
Jaw- That's not an argument for or against anything.
Childbirth- Painful ONLY for humans? Almost like the Bible was right, huh?
>>117 >>118
Israel turned away from God, and so they were to be punished for 430 years. Part of this punishment was that they were to lose their homeland.
This came to pass when they were conquered by Babylon. In 539 BC, Cyrus conquered Babylon, and in 536, allowed the Jews to return home, about 70 years after they had been initially conquered. This left 360 years.
Many opted to remain in Babylon, going against God's will. Leviticus states that those who angered God would have their punishment multiplied by 7.
360 yyears times 7 is 2520 years. These years were based on an ancient system, 360 days to a year. Adjusted to our modern 365 day calendar, it is roughly 2484 years of punishment they had incurred.
And what happened 2484 years after 536 BC? Israel was re-established in 1948.
By the way, that's not my only example, nor is it my best example. The bible also fortold the fall of Ninevah, which occured in 612 BC. Then there's Joel's prophecy that the re-establishment of Israel would be done by other countries- the United Nations.
There are also the propecies that fortold the life and death of Jesus, backed up not only by the Gospels, but by secular, often hostile sources.
You can ask for more, or you can quit whining and agree with me now.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't believe in things there is no evidence of. As we shouldn't. I'm just saying that we shouldn't disbelieve in things there isn't any evidence of.
I used the example of germs before, I think in this thread or another of the redcream threads: Disbelieving something from lack of evidence is like disbelieving germs before the invention of the microscope.
Every few centuries or so we discover something further out in the universe - we used to think the sky was the outskirt of the universe. Then the solar system. Then the galaxy. What we believe is the end of the universe to me makes more sense now, as it is built into the big bang theory, but I still think we should be skeptical of whether or not we really know what is out there, or whether we really know anything at all.
There is a quote I like, forget by who, but it goes, "Follow those who seek the truth, but doubt those that find it."
>>122
I'm sorry, but you're a lost cause. The bible is a long book. In any book that long you will find statements to come true. With a book that long and vague you can apply any section to anything. Especially since the most popular translation is such nonsense.
And yes, Childbirth is only painful to humans, because our neocortex requires a larger skull, from birth. If our pelvises were to allow any more room for a larger skull to pass though, they would have to disjoint, which would make us very fragile. Funnily enough, this comes from recent evolution.
I'm not that against religion, but I'm against people like >>122 who miss the point of it completely. The Adam and Eve Story isn't telling us where we are from - it is telling us that we all are one, that we are all related - as we are: we all share a common ancestor. When you take a religion's folklore literally and not for the morals the stories wish to portray, you are a fool.
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Anonymous2007-09-20 19:00 ID:BiCDDFcI
>>123 missed the point of >>122 entirely... or just couldn't be bothered to read the whole thing.
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Anonymous2007-09-20 19:04 ID:BiCDDFcI
>>123
Yes, of course... "evolution" is the reason that the Bible was right.
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Anonymous2007-09-20 19:39 ID:vAnzqEfc
>>124>>125 If you want anyone to listen to you, you should do the same for them - that is the Golden Rule after all, isn't it?
I told you you were a lost cause, and you are. You have no concept of logic. Fanatics make dialogs into monologues.
"Listen or your tongue will keep you deaf." ~ Apache Proverb
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Psiweapon2007-09-20 20:08 ID:9SnKNbVB
The only light coming from God is the one you get when yu burn a vhurch.
>>122
Study Anatomy to realize how badly we're put together.
You also seem to forget that prophecies are very vague, that's why so many of Nostradamus' seem to have come true.
It always amazes me how easily Christians dismis Greek or Egyptian mythology, we have to PROOVE that god doesn't exists, but it's a given that Ra and Zues don't exist?
Also Spoilers, God's image = Zues and Jesus = generic sun-god
>>122
Christian conspiracy. The major victors of WWII were US, Britain, Soviet Union (didn't put much effort into stopping creation of Israel), and China (not involved in European theatre). Guess what? The first 2 have a very strong Christian demographic, so it wouldn't be surprising if they made an effort to wait for the right timing to "fulfill" a prophecy. Israel was already inhabited by many Jews even during WWII. Making Israel an official country was just a well timed action.
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Anonymous2007-09-21 5:47 ID:sFKlrcFq
>>129
The purpose of the post was to demonstrate that the prophecies were NOT vague (you understand how math works, right?). Also, if our pelvises SHOULD have us "dragging our knuckles on the ground," then why aren't we? Something acting against evolution? And Ra and Zeus are dead. Long dead. Don't make assertions regarding topics you have no understanding of.
>>130
Even if that had been the case, wouldn't it be interesting that the opportunity to recreate had come at that time, and not a couple hundred years prior or later? And if so many of you were unaware of this in 2007, what do you think the likelihood is that anyone remembered it in 1948? And as for your theory that the UN was composed only of the victors of WWII, Cuba, Haiti, Egypt, Iran, New Zealand, Paraguay, India- all these were members of the UN by 1948. Learn some history before you start coming up with conspiracy theories.
Also, this says nothing of the other prophecies- was Ninevah destroyed less than ten years after it was fortold that this would happen because of a self-fulfilling prophecy aswell? Babylon- a city in the middle of the desert- being reduced to swampland?
I find it amazing that you speak of open-mindedness, truth, and logic, and yet, when confronted with undeniable proof that you're wrong, you still adhere religiously to your beliefs.
The evidence (enough, anyway) has been presented, and there's plenty more. If you want to "disprove" it (good luck) then do it evidence to the contrary, not with petty whining.
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Anonymous2007-09-21 5:52 ID:sFKlrcFq
>>123 >>126
Then, surely you can provide instances that back up your statements, as I have for mine?
in b4 "the word 'nuclear' appears on such-and-such page of Moby Dick."
There are 132 postings in this thread, and NOT ONE of them contains a shred of evidence for the existence of the giant alien space monster that is purportedly described in the Bible. That's classic American stupidity, right there. That's why people support George Bush and still think their $100K home is worth $200K. Religion is only the pinnacle of delusional thinking, and is not the only example of it.
RedCream, or should I say Satan, you are delusional yourself. If you can just ignore all of the evidence that God really does exist (look in the Bible) then I can't imagine what other harebrained ideas you are trying to persuade us of. Maybe you would like to discuss why America faked the moon landings, or how the World Trade Center was actually demolished via a bomb, or perhaps how the Illuminati are running the world (It is actually Christians who are running the world). I think maybe most atheists just lack the mental faculties to comprehend such a complex idea as God. (for you atheist reading: I mean the Christian God, you know, the real one.)
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Anonymous2007-09-21 9:48 ID:sQIfxevO
>>131
>The purpose of the post was to demonstrate that the prophecies were NOT vague (you understand how math works, right?)
You're misunderstanding the bible's writings(probably on purpose to support your delusional beliefs) Everything in the book of revelations was meant to have happened during the time of the bible, they were not prophecies for the distant future. Like anyone else, they cared more about the here and now than the distant future. Can you explain why some prophecies are wrong(Especially the christian ones) and some are right?
>Also, if our pelvises SHOULD have us "dragging our knuckles on the ground," then why aren't we? Something acting against evolution?
Our spine keeps us upright, not our pelvis. study anatomy.
>And Ra and Zeus are dead. Long dead.
This is the most fucking retarded thing I've seen in this thread.
Don't make assertions regarding topics you have no understanding of.
Follow your own advice.
>>134
I hope you're a troll. You think god is a complex idea? If it's such a complex idea, why does every culture the world over have their own idea of "god"? You have it backwards, it's Christians(and other religious people) who are lacking in mental capacity.
If everyone just sat up like you and 131 waiting for god to intervene, we'd never have any science or technology. If we just said "god did it" like you, we'd still be in the dark ages.
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Anonymous2007-09-21 10:56 ID:AHD9id2a
Most of the scientists who invented all of the wonderous technology we use today were Christian. Take for example Samuel Morse, a devout Christian and the son of a minister, he invented the internet! Almost all of the useful inventions and concepts were created by the influence of God, Isaac Newton was a religious philosopher as well as a scientist. These concepts you are discussing, like evolution and the creation of our universe, are completely useless. The sciences should stamp all of these non-profitable subjects out and focus on the areas of sciences that helps us be more productive and industrious. Aside from that reason, they are completely wrong! God created the universe and man! The Bible did not explain how to create a car, but humans figured that out, and no one is arguing that was un-Biblical. The "science" you are saying the Bible hinders is useless!
>>136
Evolution is useful because it helps us know where we really came from and where we might be headed. We can use the theories of genetic mutations and things to create cures to diseases. Studying outer space and the Universe allows us to advance our species further than ever before, in the future people might live in space and on the moon.
The bible is a mildly useful book of FABLES and should be treated as such. There is absolutely no evidence that god created anything. You have to use NON-BIBLICAL evidence to prove it, which you can't.
Your example is flawed in that Samuel Morse and Isaac Newton didn't sit on their asses like you and just say "Well, god did it, because A" they got up and did something instead of staring into a bible all day.
Humans "figuring out" stuff is against the bible, seeing as every single time someone thought for themselves, they were smited. Didn't lucifer(light bringer) enlighten us?
Humans figuring things out is also related to God, I am sure most of the momentous discoveries were prompted by God. Did not got show Noah how to build an Ark that could fit thousands of (pairs) of animals? The Bible (KJV) makes no mention of Lucifer enlightening anyone, he was cast out because of his arrogance and pride.
>>139
Fail because Noah's Ark was obviously a fable. It tells us that being prepaired will make you win in the long run. Next you'll tell me that Aesop's tales are real too.
The plot is impossible because
Thousands of pairs of animals as you put it would die on a wooden ark. With only 4 or so people cleaning up after them, the wood would incubate deadly bacteria from the animal's excriment. What about fresh water fish? Meat eaters? Parasites? The whole story (which is a retelling of a Utnapishtim from Gilgamesh) is full of holes, because it's a parable.
Lucifer gave us knowledge which was apparently an affront to the lord, read genesis
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Anonymous2007-09-21 21:07 ID:sFKlrcFq
>>136
Revelation 11 mentions mass media, like TV or the Internet.
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Anonymous2007-09-21 21:14 ID:sFKlrcFq
>>135
Uh, no. It's about the future. A time when the whole world can watch events simultaneously (mass media), and army can reach the size of 200 million (no army is that size yet- currently 2/3 of the U.S. population), and after Israel would be gathered together again (after 1948).
Pelvises are blamed explicitly for this imaginary problem in post >>100.
Read Genesis 6 or stop whining.
Have a nice day.
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Anonymous2007-09-21 21:16 ID:sFKlrcFq
>>142
Not a parable. The flood was real, as was the ark. You also got the numbers of animals and humans wrong.
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Anonymous2007-09-21 21:17 ID:sQIfxevO
>>144
Another Christian who doesn't read the bible he preaches about.
>>145
Although many cultures have a "great flood" myth, the physical evidence across the world doesn't support the idea of flooding the entire world. At the very least, there isn't enough water on the planet's surface and atmosphere to produce such a deluge. Like, DUH!
At any rate, there's no way a wooden ship could be constructed (esp. with ancient methods) so as to provide room and board for all the animals of the world.
"Noah's Ark" is just a fable, and a silly one at that, since it's so very easy to disprove. Myths usually have a seed or germ of truth to them, but that hardly provides for the outrageous events so depicted. There may have been a small ship built by some wise man or loon, who did collect pairs of prevailing animals from the area (basically, his flocks), and it may have been in preparation for a flash flood, etc.
Judeo-Christians never want to hear all this truth, since they're delusional to begin with.
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muss2007-09-22 1:02 ID:1aIA7LT6
It would be impossible to build an ark, lets disprove in one word, plants. ALL THE PLANTS WOULD HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT, OKAY MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEM BUT STILL IF THE PLANET WERE COVERED ENTIRELY IN WATER THERE WOULD BE A MIRROR EFFECT. THIS WOULD HAVE HEATED EVERYTHING UP, OKAY. Sorry for shouting it, house is loud right now.
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4tran2007-09-22 1:44 ID:0x7b5IzP
>>131
Whoa, I never said that they were the only countries in the UN. I only claim that they were the most powerful/had the most leverage. Good points, though not completely undeniable.
Can you post moar prophecies?
>>133
Nobody is arguing about the (non) existence of God at the moment...
>>144
I recall no mention of an army of ~ 200 million being mentioned in the revelations. Sauce?
>>With regards to Noah:
a) If he collected < 1 million species, then evolution must have gone into overdrive in the last few millenia to create the tens - hundreds of millions of species in existence. hmm, wasn't it the Christians denying evolution? I guess this theory is out.
b) If he collected >= 1 million species, then how in the hell does he get the $ or time to collect so much wood, animals, and food? Even with a modern aircraft carrier, such a task would be nearly impossible. Shrews and hummingbirds eat several times their body weight in food every day. Lions eat a living herbivore every few days. This case is also absurd.
>>147, 148 provide additional good points. In addition to >>148, one also wonders about the insects, fungi, bacteria, viruses... Good luck keeping a termite queen on board without her minions eating away the entire ark.
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Anonymous2007-09-22 6:24 ID:sdMJzezo
>>146
Care to elaborate? Or do you know we know you're full of crap.
>>149
Reveltion 9:16. Do I have to do all the work myself?
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Anonymous2007-09-22 6:28 ID:sdMJzezo
>>147
I began to read and saw that the post was by RedCream. I opted against wasting my time.
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Anonymous2007-09-22 6:31 ID:sdMJzezo
>>149
All this whining about Noah forgets one important detail- God is all powerful. Or else, He wouldn't have given insight into the future to His prophets, as has been demonstrated here.
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4tran2007-09-22 7:23 ID:0x7b5IzP
>>150
Thanks. I don't know anything about the Bible. I don't think it is feasible to search all ~1000+ pgs or so in a brute force fashion. You claim to have read it at least once, so you can use a binary search algorithm to find the quote.
From googling, it seems that there are references to the revelation in books other than the book of revelation. Most odd indeed.
>>152
It was never claimed that Noah was all powerful.
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Anonymous2007-09-22 7:30 ID:+3X3HStW
if god is all powerful, why doesn't he stop bad things happening?
simple: he doesn't care. He's seen all the crap of humanity and has given up on us and is now most likely fapping to child porn and playing his ps3
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Anonymous2007-09-22 7:41 ID:sdMJzezo
>>153
All the books are tied together. The Bible isn't one book, it's like a compendium of books, letters, etc. by various different writers, all about God.
And indeed nobody said Noah was all powerful. I don't know where you got that idea.
Also, I'm not the one who claimed to have read it through (though I have)
IN order for the bible to be legitimate it must fulfil various conditions, logical or otherwise
1. in order for the bible to be a RELIABLE AND VALID source it must be proven that all parties(assuming they existed) that have contributed to the bible were in good mental health and had a good degree of literacy in order to properly convert their "experiences" to paper with NO misinterpretation from the bibles origin to TODAY, we have no way of proving this and it is nearly impossible for all the peoples contributing to the bible to be well versed in literacy and be able to write in such a way to remove all doubt of misinterpretation.
2. the bible must have remained unaltered, uncensored, and translated PERFECTLY throughout time, we know this is not possible as early translations WERE imperfect, the church during the crusades made various alterations and censorships to the bible in order to better justify their actions.
3. the events must be logically and physically possible, eg living purely on "mana" found in the desert for over two weeks, let alone a month is impossible.
finally for the 4chan version look at >>81 ;P good shit that
just so people understand what logic is, it's a bunch of symbols and arbitrary interpretations of those symbols, then we make up some rules and decide they're good because they make 'intuitive' sense. then we use those rules to manipulate the symbols and then we use that arbitrary method of interpretation to understand what the symbols mean.
so, good luck justifying that the bible has to make logical sense to be accurate. just sayin'. because you'd be arguing that the bible can't possibly be right if it doesn't adhere to this arbitrary system we assume is a reliable indicator of truth. i.e. you'd be saying faith in the bible is misplaced based on your faith in logic.
sincerely, your friendly intellectual agnostic.
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Anonymous2007-09-22 18:12 ID:sdMJzezo
>>156
1. They were obviously literate, as they were capable of writing. That is what literacy means.
2. Again, you're wrong, but I know you're also too lazy to read the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek and compare it to the English, and that you won't trust anyone who tells you it's all the same, so I guess you'll just have to go on in your ignorant "bliss."
3. Yeah, I couldn't survive for "two weeks" (40 years) on food and water alone either.
>>157
I agree.
...
Hey, I'm as surpried by it as you are.
And you'd surely leave some shit behind in 40 years
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4tran2007-09-23 5:08 ID:8u0YXZ4q
>>155
I never claimed Noah to be all powerful either, but >>152's claim doesn't make sense without that assumption [or at least God making him very powerful][inspiration does not make the raw materials for an ark appear out of nowhere, and it was never mentioned that God put lots of wood on Noah's front yard].
>>156
Yes, 1/2 are very important qualities for legitimacy, and proving them has been quite difficult. 3 doesn't quite work since God by definition is an entity that defines what is physically possible. Logical possibility is important, so one should exclude paradoxes like "can God create something that he can't lift?". However, as >>158 points out, literacy is probably not the word you're seeking.
in 1. it stated literate to such a level that there would be zero room for misinterpretation, just someone can read and write doesnt mean that they can communicate effectively
if so there wouldnt be so many "interpretations" of segments of the bible, if people disagree on the meaning of the contents it obviously means that not everyone has gotten the same message THEREFORE there was room for misinterpretation.
eg thout shall not kill 1. catholics think that includes sperm
2. protestants dont agree (hence condom use) BOTH are christian faiths which follow the bible
and arguing that "oh prodestants are wrong and catholics are right" and vice versa would be a very stupid argument to make
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Anonymous2007-09-24 6:11 ID:SASBJIzw
umm this is a serious question but if i turn away from fapping to shotas and traps, will i still be eligible for entry into heaven?
p.s. i haven't gone to church since i was roughly 14. i'm 18 now.
No. It is not possible. You said you "fap to shota" in your first post, and in the second you said you like women. If you are a man, you are a homosexual, if you are a woman, you are a lesbian (homosexual). According to the Bible, those sins may not be repented for and must be punished with death accordingly(Lev.20:13). I'm afraid you are going to Hell.
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Anonymous2007-09-24 12:16 ID:yi3pkxpZ
>>169
Why would god tell him to build it out of something as flimsy as wood? Why not teach him how to smelt steel and build it out of a more sterile material?
Can YOU build a wooden Ark that fits two of every species of animal on this world? The Ark was not flimsy, by the way, and survived the deulge.
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Anonymous2007-09-24 13:59 ID:bu8Ke3XE
>>172
No, I couldn't build a wooden ark that fits two of every species of animal on Earth.
One: It's an absurd concept, we couldn't even build such a vessle using today's ship building techniques. The animals would die of disease, starvation and stress.
Two: There are too many species. We have catalogued millions of species, and are adding to that large number every day. How did Noah get species from other parts of the world such as a poison dart frog from South America?
What did Noah do with Whales and sharks? It says two of every animal were on the ark, well, Whales and sharks are animals too. Hell, did he have a wing for Sponges and coral too?
But then what are we arguing about? The Ark didn't even exist, where's the archeological evidence of such a craft that could carry billions of animals?
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God2007-09-24 20:10 ID:Vfaz1otB
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN HERE
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McPeePants2007-09-24 22:47 ID:yYqU087i
Some fools are discussing on whether the Bible well You and everything in it actually exists. For being Almighty you sure are out of the loop. NO OFFENSE DON'T SMITE ME
>>172
The Ark was not firm or flimsy. Why? Because it didn't fucking exist. There was no deluge. There is nowhere near enough water on the Earth to cover all the land. It's just another stupid fucking myth out of a stupid fucking book filled with 99.99% bullshit that millions of stupid fuckers think is TRUE. Anyone with a halfwit's education could conclude there's not enough water, which probably means that millions of people don't even get an education to the level of a fucking HALFWIT!
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Anonymous2007-09-25 5:58 ID:Z70U4hlb
>>177 maybe someone left a tap on, MAYBE YOU SHOULD THINK BEFORE POSTING
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Anonymous2007-09-25 10:00 ID:98DLgcru
it is hypocritical for god to punish us for not beliving when he provides no proof of his existance . I am a deist meaning i belive there is an entity out there that doesn't give a fuck. i don't belive the phisical universe exist however, I belive we are just programs and subroutines programed somehow to act randome(free will) and to write our own program to some extenct in a virtual space we call universe. If I'm right god has a powerfull procesor and the only thing real is consciouseness.
If i'm wrong and I go to hell , i'll spit in god's face for this
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Anonymous2007-09-25 10:07 ID:Z70U4hlb
>>179 it doesn't exist? ...what the hell. It obiously exists in some form.
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Anonymous2007-09-25 10:26 ID:98DLgcru
179 here. I wanted to add that the bible if it is true is most certanly a metaphor. We can(with dificulty) belive what it says only if we accept this. For example the genesis: god could not tell the retards back in those centuryes about the big bang, the making of quarcs, atoms, electrons, protons etc , he could tell them however that the universe was made in 7 days, meaning billions of years, ending with the making of man. Also he could make those rules to acieve his purpose(wich i belive could be to make someone he could talk to. He does says at some point that the man will become like god). So, he makes rules that will facilitate that. Example: Don't kill. you need egs to make omlet. if you kill the egs... no omlet. Don't fuck outside mariage... to prevent the spreding of STD's. Don't fap... to increase the ods that sex will produce a pregnancy. Same goes with abnormal sex (sex with children, homosexuals, sex with animals. Don't kill niggars... I don't know why however, it makes no sense
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Anonymous2007-09-25 10:51 ID:RM+qMVE5
The writers of the bible couldn't fathom billions of years, so they said it took place in 7 Earth days. Why can man control god through prayer?
The Revolutionary War is a metaphor for the underdog fighting the good fight.
American guerillas beating the entire British Army? I'll beleive it when I see it.
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Anonymous2007-09-25 19:00 ID:PnTgMDZq
I'm agnostic, so I would really like the originator of this thread to prove to me beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Bible is true. I doubt this person can do that.
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McPeePants2007-09-25 23:58 ID:YI2rI2Mn
I just have to say this, those that are arguing here will never come to an agreement. This is how things work, both groups truly believe in something that rules out the other persons idea, through doing this they create an argument which will never come to an end since it only reinforces peoples opinions. Pleas people, religion and science can coexist you just need to make it happen.
>>183
Covered in water? FRESH OR SALTY?!?! No matter how you answer, entire species die.
The entire Ark thing is filled with so much fail that there couldn't possibly be room even for Noah.
>>186
Religion and rational thinking can't co-exist when the religitards insist on social policies that reflect their beliefs in a giant alien space monster. If the religitards grow up and confine their stupid delusions to their own lives and homes, then there just wouldn't be a problem.
>>187
You've once again assumed (inaccurately) that God is NOT all powerful, and in addition to that have stated that rape and murder ought to be legal. Well done, RedFag. Way to show your true colors.
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McPeePants2007-09-26 22:19 ID:9HY/3dnj
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This conversation is dead to me, just like the left side of my body.
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Anonymous2007-09-27 3:41 ID:mByRMEHV
>>177
Wow, you're actually right. There isn't enough WATER, but there is more than enough H2O when you factor in the planet's ice-caps. What did you think global warming fanatics were so freaked out about?
All water is H2O. Not all H2O is necessarily water.
Seriously, we ought to start keeping a list of times RedFag has been wrong.
>>188
For such an "all powerful" thing, it sure as fuck is fairly frightened of being captured on tape or otherwise detected by instruments. Hmm! Another flaw in the numerous set of flaws around the idea of a giant alien space monster!
As always, produce the proof of the existence of this being, or it doesn't exist.
>>189
Your applicability is inversely proportional to the size of your bloated and sow-like pigbody.
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Anonymous2007-09-27 3:47 ID:mByRMEHV
>>191
I conjecture that AssCream does not exist, since there is no evidence of his exisence, short of the cheap forgery above.
>>190 FAIL. Once melted, all the world's ice might lift ocean levels 600 feet or so. The elevations of even low mountain chains are at thousands of feet.
What stupid and easily-disproven assertion are you going to make next? Atmospheric water? You must have received your so-called education in America; it really shows.
>>194 Post the link to the calculation about ice-to-ocean-level or STFU, chanfag. It's a well known factor that the melting of Antarctica would produce most of such a rise. Hence my assertion is reasonable.
If you're going to counter such a reasonable assertion then you must provide evidence to the contrary. In short: GOOGLE, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT? Or do you think the debate is going to be resolved by some silly form of dick wagging as you seem only capable of doing?
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Anonymous2007-09-27 15:44 ID:n94DwgBA
>>195
every time you post here makes you a chanfag!
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Anonymous2007-09-27 17:50 ID:q29RCNqK
Here is your proof:
"
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
" -Epicurus
The Judeo-Christian God is a fairy tale, no more, no less.
>>195 Why should he have to disprove it? I didn't see you proving it anywhere so you are as bad as he is. Also 600ft is obviously unreasonable, think about it - the artic poles would have to be far over 600 feet tall ( a mile high? ) of solid ice to cause a average sea level rise of 600ft.
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Anonymous2007-09-28 9:24 ID:DUNQASL4
Epicurus does not debunk deism. He fails.
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Anonymous2007-09-28 18:59 ID:v+9Byxzu
>>200
Then come up with an argument. Ad-hominem attacks are worth nothing in a debate such as this.
>>200 said that it doesn't debunk deism. that's fairly obvious, since >>197 is just an argument against the existence of a non-malevolent and all powerful deity, not against all deities. the argument suggests that if there is a god who is all powerful, he is then malevolent. it doesn't even claim that no all powerful god exists.
anyway, able to prevent evil but unwilling to stop it doesn't imply malevolence, it implies lack of benevolence, which isn't the same thing. it's neutrality.
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Anonymous2007-09-29 15:01 ID:lqOBlN9K
>>203
Cite your source of the Judeo-Christian God being all powerful. ;-)
>>184
American guerillas had a lot of help from the French military. In addition, the British army only sent a small portion; the remainder was to protect the Indian and other colonies, which were far more valuable.
>>188
When did RedCream state that rape and murder ought to be legal?
With an all-powerful God, he doesn't even need Noah to rescue the animals. The lions will breathe underwater and the sharks will get lasers for the duration of the flooding. So God randomly made Noah do something just for the hell of it?
>>190
Melted polar ice is insufficient for flooding the entire world. The global warming people are worried about the rise in water levels by 1-100 meters, not 8.8 kilometers.
>>199
The antarctic is ~ 2-5 miles deep in solid ice.
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The Threadshitter2007-09-30 2:40 ID:SwItpouX
I'm taking a shit into your thread -- huuuuuh pffarplfshhhhh farP! splash
more spoilers, i'm not going to because it's unrelated to my post and i don't care. none of you fuckshits on this site can read.
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Anonymous2007-10-02 17:17 ID:yyF8oDnb
I can't believe you guys let this thread slip to page three. Shame on you!
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Anonymous2007-10-02 17:17 ID:yyF8oDnb
Also, I would like to point out that God exists and everything the Bible says is true.
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Anonymous2007-10-02 18:26 ID:Yh6UmDLO
which bible? you do realise the meaning is changed with every translation, right? Each translator has a bias, and that bias is written into the translation...