EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS TRUE

I am not asking you to prove me wrong, since God's Word is omnipotent, that would be impossible. I am merely reminding you all of this fact.

Noooooo! you must bath in Lambs blood! think of the children will someone please think of the children......... or actualy don't thats just wrong, you guys sicken me!

>>100
Pelvis- what are you talking about?
Back- Are you by chance an angry paraplegic?
Jaw- That's not an argument for or against anything.
Childbirth- Painful ONLY for humans?  Almost like the Bible was right, huh?

>>117
>>118
Israel turned away from God, and so they were to be punished for 430 years. Part of this punishment was that they were to lose their homeland.

This came to pass when they were conquered by Babylon.  In 539 BC, Cyrus conquered Babylon, and in 536, allowed the Jews to return home, about 70 years after they had been initially conquered.  This left 360 years.

Many opted to remain in Babylon, going against God's will.  Leviticus states that those who angered God would have their punishment multiplied by 7.

360 yyears times 7 is 2520 years.  These years were based on an ancient system, 360 days to a year.  Adjusted to our modern 365 day calendar, it is roughly 2484 years of punishment they had incurred.

And what happened 2484 years after 536 BC?  Israel was re-established in 1948.

By the way, that's not my only example, nor is it my best example.  The bible also fortold the fall of Ninevah, which occured in 612 BC.  Then there's Joel's prophecy that the re-establishment of Israel would be done by other countries- the United Nations.

There are also the propecies that fortold the life and death of Jesus, backed up not only by the Gospels, but by secular, often hostile sources.

You can ask for more, or you can quit whining and agree with me now.

>>121
This is 4chan, after all.

>>110

I'm not saying that we shouldn't believe in things there is no evidence of. As we shouldn't. I'm just saying that we shouldn't disbelieve in things there isn't any evidence of.

I used the example of germs before, I think in this thread or another of the redcream threads: Disbelieving something from lack of evidence is like disbelieving germs before the invention of the microscope.

Every few centuries or so we discover something further out in the universe - we used to think the sky was the outskirt of the universe. Then the solar system. Then the galaxy. What we believe is the end of the universe to me makes more sense now, as it is built into the big bang theory, but I still think we should be skeptical of whether or not we really know what is out there, or whether we really know anything at all.

There is a quote I like, forget by who, but it goes, "Follow those who seek the truth, but doubt those that find it."

>>122
I'm sorry, but you're a lost cause. The bible is a long book. In any book that long you will find statements to come true. With a book that long and vague you can apply any section to anything. Especially since the most popular translation is such nonsense.

And yes, Childbirth is only painful to humans, because our neocortex requires a larger skull, from birth. If our pelvises were to allow any more room for a larger skull to pass though, they would have to disjoint, which would make us very fragile. Funnily enough, this comes from recent evolution.

I'm not that against religion, but I'm against people like >>122 who miss the point of it completely. The Adam and Eve Story isn't telling us where we are from - it is telling us that we all are one, that we are all related - as we are: we all share a common ancestor. When you take a religion's folklore literally and not for the morals the stories wish to portray, you are a fool.

>>123 missed the point of >>122 entirely... or just couldn't be bothered to read the whole thing.

>>123
Yes, of course... "evolution" is the reason that the Bible was right.

>>124 >>125 If you want anyone to listen to you, you should do the same for them - that is the Golden Rule after all, isn't it?

I told you you were a lost cause, and you are. You have no concept of logic. Fanatics make dialogs into monologues.

"Listen or your tongue will keep you deaf." ~ Apache Proverb

The only light coming from God is the one you get when yu burn a vhurch.

>>127
Not if you worship a sun god.

>>122
Study Anatomy to realize how badly we're put together.

You also seem to forget that prophecies are very vague, that's why so many of Nostradamus' seem to have come true.

It always amazes me how easily Christians dismis Greek or Egyptian mythology, we have to PROOVE that god doesn't exists, but it's a given that Ra and Zues don't exist?

Also Spoilers, God's image = Zues and Jesus = generic sun-god

>>122
Christian conspiracy.  The major victors of WWII were US, Britain, Soviet Union (didn't put much effort into stopping creation of Israel), and China (not involved in European theatre).  Guess what?  The first 2 have a very strong Christian demographic, so it wouldn't be surprising if they made an effort to wait for the right timing to "fulfill" a prophecy.  Israel was already inhabited by many Jews even during WWII.  Making Israel an official country was just a well timed action.

>>129
The purpose of the post was to demonstrate that the prophecies were NOT vague (you understand how math works, right?).  Also, if our pelvises SHOULD have us "dragging our knuckles on the ground," then why aren't we?  Something acting against evolution?  And Ra and Zeus are dead.  Long dead.  Don't make assertions regarding topics you have no understanding of.

>>130
Even if that had been the case, wouldn't it be interesting that the opportunity to recreate had come at that time, and not a couple hundred years prior or later?  And if so many of you were unaware of this in 2007, what do you think the likelihood is that anyone remembered it in 1948?  And as for your theory that the UN was composed only of the victors of WWII, Cuba, Haiti, Egypt, Iran, New Zealand, Paraguay, India- all these were members of the UN by 1948.  Learn some history before you start coming up with conspiracy theories.

Also, this says nothing of the other prophecies- was Ninevah destroyed less than ten years after it was fortold that this would happen because of a self-fulfilling prophecy aswell?  Babylon- a city in the middle of the desert- being reduced to swampland?

I find it amazing that you speak of open-mindedness, truth, and logic, and yet, when confronted with undeniable proof that you're wrong, you still adhere religiously to your beliefs.

The evidence (enough, anyway) has been presented, and there's plenty more.  If you want to "disprove" it (good luck) then do it evidence to the contrary, not with petty whining.

>>123
>>126
Then, surely you can provide instances that back up your statements, as I have for mine?

in b4 "the word 'nuclear' appears on such-and-such page of Moby Dick."

There are 132 postings in this thread, and NOT ONE of them contains a shred of evidence for the existence of the giant alien space monster that is purportedly described in the Bible.  That's classic American stupidity, right there.  That's why people support George Bush and still think their $100K home is worth $200K.  Religion is only the pinnacle of delusional thinking, and is not the only example of it.

>>133

RedCream, or should I say Satan, you are delusional yourself. If you can just ignore all of the evidence that God really does exist (look in the Bible) then I can't imagine what other harebrained ideas you are trying to persuade us of. Maybe you would like to discuss why America faked the moon landings, or  how the World Trade Center was actually demolished via a bomb, or perhaps how the Illuminati are running the world (It is actually Christians who are running the world). I think maybe most atheists just lack the mental faculties to comprehend such a complex idea as God. (for you atheist reading: I mean the Christian God, you know, the real one.)
 

>>131
>The purpose of the post was to demonstrate that the prophecies were NOT vague (you understand how math works, right?) 

You're misunderstanding the bible's writings(probably on purpose to support your delusional beliefs)  Everything in the book of revelations was meant to have happened during the time of the bible, they were not prophecies for the distant future.  Like anyone else, they cared more about the here and now than the distant future.  Can you explain why some prophecies are wrong(Especially the christian ones) and some are right? 

>Also, if our pelvises SHOULD have us "dragging our knuckles on the ground," then why aren't we?  Something acting against evolution?

Our spine keeps us upright, not our pelvis.  study anatomy.

>And Ra and Zeus are dead.  Long dead.

This is the most fucking retarded thing I've seen in this thread.

Don't make assertions regarding topics you have no understanding of.

Follow your own advice.

>>134
I hope you're a troll.  You think god is a complex idea?  If it's such a complex idea, why does every culture the world over have their own idea of "god"?  You have it backwards, it's Christians(and other religious people) who are lacking in mental capacity.

If everyone just sat up like you and 131 waiting for god to intervene, we'd never have any science or technology.  If we just said "god did it" like you, we'd still be in the dark ages.

Most of the scientists who invented all of the wonderous technology we use today were Christian. Take for example Samuel Morse, a devout Christian and the son of a minister, he invented the internet! Almost all of the useful inventions and concepts were created by the influence of God, Isaac Newton was a religious philosopher as well as a scientist. These concepts you are discussing, like evolution and the creation of our universe, are completely useless. The sciences should stamp all of these non-profitable subjects out and focus on the areas of sciences that helps us be more productive and industrious. Aside from that reason, they are completely wrong! God created the universe and man! The Bible did not explain how to create a car, but humans figured that out, and no one is arguing that was un-Biblical. The "science" you are saying the Bible hinders is useless!   

>>133
I will pray for you.

>>136
Evolution is useful because it helps us know where we really came from and where we might be headed.  We can use the theories of genetic mutations and things to create cures to diseases.  Studying outer space and the Universe allows us to advance our species further than ever before, in the future people might live in space and on the moon.

The bible is a mildly useful book of FABLES and should be treated as such.  There is absolutely no evidence that god created anything.  You have to use NON-BIBLICAL evidence to prove it, which you can't. 

Your example is flawed in that Samuel Morse and Isaac Newton didn't sit on their asses like you and just say "Well, god did it, because A" they got up and did something instead of staring into a bible all day.

Humans "figuring out" stuff is against the bible, seeing as every single time someone thought for themselves, they were smited.  Didn't lucifer(light bringer) enlighten us?

>>138

Humans figuring things out is also related to God, I am sure most of the momentous discoveries were prompted by God. Did not got show Noah how to build an Ark that could fit thousands of (pairs) of animals? The Bible (KJV) makes no mention of Lucifer enlightening anyone, he was cast out because of his arrogance and pride.

Did not God* show Noah

>>136 FAIL. Al Gore invented the internet. GTFO

>>139
Fail because Noah's Ark was obviously a fable.  It tells us that being prepaired will make you win in the long run.  Next you'll tell me that Aesop's tales are real too.

The plot is impossible because
Thousands of pairs of animals as you put it would die on a wooden ark.  With only 4 or so people cleaning up after them, the wood would incubate deadly bacteria from the animal's excriment.  What about fresh water fish?  Meat eaters? Parasites?  The whole story (which is a retelling of a Utnapishtim from Gilgamesh) is full of holes, because it's a parable.

Lucifer gave us knowledge which was apparently an affront to the lord, read genesis

>>136
Revelation 11 mentions mass media, like TV or the Internet.

>>135
Uh, no.  It's about the future.  A time when the whole world can watch events simultaneously (mass media), and army can reach the size of 200 million (no army is that size yet- currently 2/3 of the U.S. population), and after Israel would be gathered together again (after 1948).

Pelvises are blamed explicitly for this imaginary problem in post >>100.

Read Genesis 6 or stop whining.

Have a nice day.

>>142
Not a parable.  The flood was real, as was the ark.  You also got the numbers of animals and humans wrong.

>>144
Another Christian who doesn't read the bible he preaches about.

>>145
Although many cultures have a "great flood" myth, the physical evidence across the world doesn't support the idea of flooding the entire world.  At the very least, there isn't enough water on the planet's surface and atmosphere to produce such a deluge.  Like, DUH!

At any rate, there's no way a wooden ship could be constructed (esp. with ancient methods) so as to provide room and board for all the animals of the world.

"Noah's Ark" is just a fable, and a silly one at that, since it's so very easy to disprove.  Myths usually have a seed or germ of truth to them, but that hardly provides for the outrageous events so depicted.  There may have been a small ship built by some wise man or loon, who did collect pairs of prevailing animals from the area (basically, his flocks), and it may have been in preparation for a flash flood, etc.

Judeo-Christians never want to hear all this truth, since they're delusional to begin with.

It would be impossible to build an ark, lets disprove in one word, plants. ALL THE PLANTS WOULD HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT, OKAY MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEM BUT STILL IF THE PLANET WERE COVERED ENTIRELY IN WATER THERE WOULD BE A MIRROR EFFECT. THIS WOULD HAVE HEATED EVERYTHING UP, OKAY. Sorry for shouting it, house is loud right now.

>>131
Whoa, I never said that they were the only countries in the UN.  I only claim that they were the most powerful/had the most leverage.  Good points, though not completely undeniable.

Can you post moar prophecies?

>>133
Nobody is arguing about the (non) existence of God at the moment...

>>144
I recall no mention of an army of ~ 200 million being mentioned in the revelations.  Sauce?

>>With regards to Noah:

a) If he collected < 1 million species, then evolution must have gone into overdrive in the last few millenia to create the tens - hundreds of millions of species in existence.  hmm, wasn't it the Christians denying evolution?  I guess this theory is out.

b) If he collected >= 1 million species, then how in the hell does he get the $ or time to collect so much wood, animals, and food?  Even with a modern aircraft carrier, such a task would be nearly impossible.  Shrews and hummingbirds eat several times their body weight in food every day.  Lions eat a living herbivore every few days.  This case is also absurd.

>>147, 148 provide additional good points.  In addition to >>148, one also wonders about the insects, fungi, bacteria, viruses...  Good luck keeping a termite queen on board without her minions eating away the entire ark.

>>146
Care to elaborate?  Or do you know we know you're full of crap.

>>149
Reveltion 9:16.  Do I have to do all the work myself?

>>147
I began to read and saw that the post was by RedCream.  I opted against wasting my time.

>>149
All this whining about Noah forgets one important detail- God is all powerful.  Or else, He wouldn't have given insight into the future to His prophets, as has been demonstrated here.

>>150
Thanks.  I don't know anything about the Bible.  I don't think it is feasible to search all ~1000+ pgs or so in a brute force fashion.  You claim to have read it at least once, so you can use a binary search algorithm to find the quote.

From googling, it seems that there are references to the revelation in books other than the book of revelation.  Most odd indeed.

>>152
It was never claimed that Noah was all powerful.

if god is all powerful, why doesn't he stop bad things happening?
simple: he doesn't care. He's seen all the crap of humanity and has given up on us and is now most likely fapping to child porn and playing his ps3

>>153
All the books are tied together.  The Bible isn't one book, it's like a compendium of books, letters, etc. by various different writers, all about God.
And indeed nobody said Noah was all powerful.  I don't know where you got that idea.

Also, I'm not the one who claimed to have read it through (though I have)

>>154
Or, just, you know, not interfering.

IN order for the bible to be legitimate it must fulfil various conditions, logical or otherwise

1. in order for the bible to be a RELIABLE AND VALID source it must be proven that all parties(assuming they existed) that have contributed to the bible were in good mental health and had a good degree of literacy in order to properly convert their "experiences" to paper with NO misinterpretation from the bibles origin to TODAY, we have no way of proving this and it is nearly impossible for all the peoples contributing to the bible to be well versed in literacy and be able to write in such a way to remove all doubt of misinterpretation.

2. the bible must have remained unaltered, uncensored, and translated PERFECTLY throughout time, we know this is not possible as early translations WERE imperfect, the church during the crusades made various alterations and censorships to the bible in order to better justify their actions.

3. the events must be logically and physically possible, eg living purely on "mana" found in the desert for over two weeks, let alone a month is impossible.

finally for the 4chan version look at >>81 ;P good shit that

just so people understand what logic is, it's a bunch of symbols and arbitrary interpretations of those symbols, then we make up some rules and decide they're good because they make 'intuitive' sense.  then we use those rules to manipulate the symbols and then we use that arbitrary method of interpretation to understand what the symbols mean.

so, good luck justifying that the bible has to make logical sense to be accurate.  just sayin'.  because you'd be arguing that the bible can't possibly be right if it doesn't adhere to this arbitrary system we assume is a reliable indicator of truth.  i.e. you'd be saying faith in the bible is misplaced based on your faith in logic.

sincerely, your friendly intellectual agnostic.

>>156
1. They were obviously literate, as they were capable of writing.  That is what literacy means.
2. Again, you're wrong, but I know you're also too lazy to read the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek and compare it to the English, and that you won't trust anyone who tells you it's all the same, so I guess you'll just have to go on in your ignorant "bliss."
3. Yeah, I couldn't survive for "two weeks" (40 years) on food and water alone either.

>>157
I agree.
...
Hey, I'm as surpried by it as you are.

zdfg

And you'd surely leave some shit behind in 40 years