I can't think of any advantages to the US supporting Israel, but I can think of a whole bunch of disadvantages.
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Anonymous2008-04-09 17:41
>>1
So you're saying it's a jewish conspiracy? GB/2 Stormfront you antisemetic nazi hitler lover. Why don't you go and cuddle with your nazi WW2 memrobelia on your bed huh? Haven't you done oppresing the jewish peoiple already? Nazi hitler lover wants-to-kill-six-million-jews anti semite.
US support for Israel was a “major cause” of the 9-11 attacks, according to University of Chicago Professor John Mearsheimer and Harvard Professor Stephen Walt, who appeared at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology last week to promote their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy.
“A critically important issue when talking about America’s terrorism problem is the matter of how US support for Israel’s brutal treatment of the Palestinians relates to what happened on September 11,” said Mearsheimer, who played the role of attack dog, while Walt set the stage.
Mearsheimer suggested that the notion of payback for injustices suffered by the Palestinians is perhaps the “most powerfully recurrent in [Osama] Bin Laden’s speeches,” who, he said, had been deeply concerned about the plight of the Palestinians since he was a young man. He said that Bin Laden’s concern had been reflected in his public statements throughout the 1990’s - “well before 9-11.” Citing the 9-11 Commission report, Mearsheimer and Walt argued that Bin Laden wanted to make sure the attackers struck Congress because it is “the most important source of support for Israel in the United States,” adding that Bin Laden twice tried to move up the dates of the attacks because of events involving Israel. Mearsheimer and Walt went on to argue that 9-11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s animus toward the United States stemmed not from his experiences in the United States as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with US foreign policy favoring Israel. “Its hard to imagine more compelling evidence of the role US support for Israel played in the 9-11 attacks,” said Mearsheimer.
“In short, the present relationship between Washington and Jerusalem is helping to fuel America’s terrorism problem,” he went on to say.
sigh.. another ad hominems. you haven't written on substantive argument yet. you're either a terrible troll or another typical Israelfag.
Also, here's a fact: Israel kills six times as many civilians as the Arabs.
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Anonymous2008-04-09 18:13
>>7
Maybe the fact that Israel has about 300 nuclear weapons?
Ever think of that, cuntface?
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Anonymous2008-04-09 19:11
>>8
Israel has never officially admitted to having nuclear weapons
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Anonymous2008-04-09 20:10
What's so hard about this folks? USA supports Israel because it feels it's good to have an ally in the region. If shit gets really bad we can use Israel as a base from which to stage military campaigns.
On top of that Israel is the only democratic country in the region. America is so fucking caught up in its campaign to "spread democracy" that it can't not support Israel. Supporting Israel and making democracy look like it's better than everything else in the middle east goes along way for the cause.
For fucks sake, do you faggots have any ability to think?
|If shit gets really bad we can use Israel as a base from which to stage military campaigns.
Oh whoops, you forgot about US military bases in Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq, and Afganhistan. You also forgot about the US military presence in Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, UAE, and Turkey. It's not 1970 anymore, do you have any other ancient, tired arguments you want to trot out? Oh wait, you made another one...
|On top of that Israel is the only democratic country in the region.
Lebanon is democratic and so are the Palestinians. You can't ignore them just because they vote in people you don't like. Also, Israel (and the US) are actively working against democracy in Egypt because the Egyptians are rational people and if they could freely vote they would choose a president opposed to Israel's idiotic policies.
Colonialism is dead faggot and both of your arguments are outdated and lame. Any reasonable person would see that Israel a militant, land-grabbing, aggressive apartheid nation. Also, all the Chrisitan republicunts are dying out which means the US is about to make a major shift to the left.
Israel is going to be isolated big time LMAO!
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Anonymous2008-04-09 23:02
>>11
You can never have too many bases. If it were up to the military they'd have bases in EVERY country.
ITT: People believe that Muslims actually give a shit about "Jews occupying their lands"
That is just a rallying cry. If it wasn't Israel, it would be southern Spain. Muslims in the middle-east in general (and I hate to generalize) are all sheep.
They go to their mosques or religious schools where they are told by people who usually have more money that the Jews are the reason they are poor and that if there are no Jews god will be happy and bestow wealth on you (or some other anti-Israel bullshit). Meanwhile, the ultra-rich Muslims who run these countries keep wages low and their profits high and blame the Jews for it.
The truth is: Muslims are the cause of their own suffering and are more than willing to be lied to.
The US stands with Israel BECAUSE THEY ARE THE CLOSEST THING THAT THE MIDDLE EAST HAS EVER SEEN TO A DEMOCRACY. Because of the "religion of peace" has a no-tolerance police when it comes to non-Muslims, if there is no Israel, there would be no non-Muslims in the middle east.
If Muslim nations where more tolerant and less full of the bullshit called Islam, the US would have no need to support Israel because the stuck-in-the-15th-century retards would not be blaming all their problems on someone else and work towards bettering everyone, not just those in their own tribe!
>>19
Turkey is allied with us AND Israel. In fact, they're the principal ally of Israel in the region. They also are democratic, and have a secular law rather than one based on shariah.
Israel contains neoconservatives which makes your country go into a crippling $3,000,000,000,000 war in Iraq.
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Anonymous2008-04-11 14:53
>>24
Israel doesn't make America do anything.
Quite to the contrary, America holds the reigns on Israel.
If it wasn't for America holding Israel back, most of the Middle East would be wiped out by Israel.
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Anonymous2008-04-11 14:57
Why not let israel run game on the middle east? Since we're so chummy with them they'd be a lot easier to deal with in obtaining oil. Really, why protect the rest of the fucking sand apes? Do they do anything that helps humanity at all?
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Anonymous2008-04-11 15:06
If Israel unleashes on the Middle East, ALL oil production and exportation stops from there. That's not good for us.
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Anonymous2008-04-11 15:55
>>25
lern2world
america covers for israel in every possible instance
>>26
rriiight
that's not how the world works, neither the US nor israel would go after such a catastrophic action. Israel can barely contain the handful of palestinians they have, what will they do with millions of arabs under their control? They might not know how to fucking fight on a battlefield, but they are pretty good on rebelling and randomly exploding in public transportation.
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Anonymous2008-04-11 17:04
israel is nice, shut up
and no, it shouldn't take over the entire middle east, I mean, why?
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Anonymous2008-04-11 17:17
>>27 >>28
Well, lets leave out all the crazy stuff. Is there really any reason that Israel should be held back from doing whatever it wants to do? They're a sovereign nation, so why shouldn't they be allowed to make their own mistakes?
Sure, you might have to step in if they were going on a genocidal rampage, but if they're just bombing Iran's nuke facilities.... I see no problems with this.
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Anonymous2008-04-11 18:29
>>28
If we would let them, Israel would handle the Palestinian problem real quick.
gb2Iran.
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Anonymous2008-04-11 19:08
>>31
"we" already let them, it's the others that don't.
And you don't seem to be much of a person with any sort of foresight, luckily, the jews know better than you...
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Anonymous2008-04-12 1:28
>>32
You don't seem to be much of a person with any type of foreskin, so I'll just ignore you.
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Anonymous2008-04-12 7:06
>>33
Of course, it is natural for you to ignore someone of superior intellect and knowledge in order to prevent yourself from facing the failure that you call yourself, however, I'm not a joo and I have a fully functional foreskin...
>>28
quite the contrary america holds some reign over israel and america needs not cover for israel...israel can do that well enough by its own. Plus america keeps israel in its pocket as a secondary LZ for ops in mideast. Plus do you think a new country with so much internal strife really has the time to be keeping another country in its reigns when it dosent even have its own...learn to read america has reign over israel not the other way around. America makes its own decisions not effected by anyone else. And israel dosent want control of the entire mideast... just the portion of land the size of new jersey.
There's no way anyone can look at all the Jews in the American government, the finance industry, and the media/entertainment industry, and NOT honestly conclude WHY the US shows such support for Israel. The Jews may only be 3% of the American populace, but they wield x10 larger economic influence due to their professional positions.
Maybe, maybe not. We've not had a Jewish president yet, and god knows the media doesn't portray Israel all that well. In fact, I know several American Jews who rank among the biggest libfags of them all.
America is supporting Israel for the lulz. No other reason.
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Anonymous2008-04-17 17:15
Do you touch yourself at night?
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Anonymous2008-04-18 16:45
The Israeli housing ministry has invited tenders for the construction of 100 new homes at settlements in the occupied West Bank.
The houses are to be built at Ariel and El Kana in the northern West Bank, despite international calls for a freeze on settlement activity.
Israel argues its requirement to freeze settlements under the 2003 peace roadmap does not apply here.
Palestinian official Saeb Erakat said the building "sabotaged" peace efforts.
>>1
Numerous reasons, and if nothing else, dedication to foreign policy that is outdated.
Initially, support of Israel gave Jews a place to settle after WWII, have another partner in the Middle East, and whatever other paranoid reasons that various shills throw out. After a variety of gaffes on our part based on our dedication to Israel and oil, the entire area went (even more) to shit.
So, we now have a country which can be characterized directly or indirectly by any leader in the area who wants to put blame somewhere else for current conditions. Besides notions of Jewish plots and schemes, it seems the biggest reason to support Israel is the mere fact that we would take a severe blow to world view if we were to outright abandon a staunch ally at this point.
All of this is merely off the cuff notions, there is probably a lot more or a lot less to it. However: would abandoning Israel make the area more stable? would it make Muslim fundamentalists less likely to hate us? would we save money and lives in the long term? what would losing Mossad as an intelligence source do to us?
More informed people than the mighty toughguys of 4chan seem to think a qualified 'No' is the answer to the first three, and wouldn't like to even think of an answer to the last.
|"the biggest reason to support Israel is the mere fact that we would take a severe blow to world view if we were to outright abandon a staunch ally at this point."
|"Would abandoning Israel make the area more stable? would it make Muslim fundamentalists less likely to hate us? would we save money and lives in the long term?"
yes yes yes and yes
|"what would losing Mossad as an intelligence source do to us?"
leave us better overall intelligence and prevent a needless war with Iran.
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Ubernostrom2008-04-18 19:19
Fine, appealing to tradition is a fallacy. Is it mine? Hardly.
Also, I disagree with your glib notions. How would abandoning Israel make it more stable?
Perhaps fundamentalists would have one less reason to point to, but I find it monumentally unlikely they'll forgive us and make amends for something that relatively tertiary.
What is your idea of long term, then? If/when the area falls into even further strife, and some fools decide we need another war to keep the peace. I'd like to know.
Finally, while I won't contend your notions of a needless war with Iran, what makes you say that losing Mossad leaves us better informed? Really, I haven't defended my notions much, but you will have to supply to me better (or any) rationale for why this rather drastic action is reasonable.
this isn't what you asked faggot. you asked if abandoning Israel would make the area more stable. even a religionfag like yourself would recognize how peaceful the area would be if the antagonistic minority jewish population left.
|Perhaps fundamentalists would have one less reason to point to, but I find it monumentally unlikely they'll forgive us and make amends for something that relatively tertiary.
Hey look, you got nothing to back it up other than your own biased Jewish outlook. Besides contradicting your own post, your ignoring peace overtures Arabs always make before getting IDF'd by your fundamentalist thug army.
|If/when the area falls into even further strife, and some fools decide we need another war to keep the peace. I'd like to know.
Anything is better than the status quo. Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is $5000 per person. sauce: http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html
|what makes you say that losing Mossad leaves us better informed?
Mossad has an extremely poor track record in dealing with the Americans. They were responsible for intelligence in the 1967 war. Then bombed the USS Liberty, turned around and denied the attack and then tried to convince the United States to nuke Cairo because they claimed Egypt attacked the ship. Israel joins the company of Vietnam and Iraq in the only countries to purposely attack the US Navy in the past 50 years. They massacred 1000s of civilians in Lebanon in the 1980s, got America involved and gave us so little intelligence than CIA officers literally got kidnapped because they had to cover for Israel's sloppy work. They failed to warn Reagan about Beirut, which got over 200 marines killed. They ignore peace offers by the Palestinians, kill dozens to hundreds of civilian children annually with weapons we give them, and suffer from other crippling forms of operational blindness. In purposely prolonging the occupation, they are able to collect $5,000,000,000 in direct aid annually for Israel from the US. Mossad was so critical to US success in the first gulf war, we had to ask Israel not to participate lest the whole coalition fall apart. Superior Mossad intelligence failed to warn the United States about the first world trade center attack, the infamous "black hawk down" situation in Somalia, the shootings outside the CIA in the late 1990s, the US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the attack on the USS Cole, and the second world trade center attack on 9/11. Superior Mossad intelligence told us Iraq was chock full of WMDs, and immediately after the war tried to get us to attack Syria. Now these keystone cops want our blood and treasure spilled in a pointless attack on Iran.
With friends like these, who needs enemies?
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Ubernostrom2008-04-19 1:57
Now, that wasn't so hard, was it? I even learned something valuable. I'd be even more interested in what you had to say if you'd kindly keep away from ad hominem attacks, asshat.
I misspoke when saying Israel specifically the second time, my point is that the existance of the country, while escalating tensions there, is hardly the largest problem (to me) that faces the Middle East as a region. Furthermore, I have no particular interest in seeing Israel succeed any more than any country besides my own, I'm speaking as a casual observer with a passable knowledge of Israeli history and human nature. I'm taking the view of someone trying to see the advantages to our currently parasitic link to Israel. Say I'm backpedaling if you must; I truly wanted to see if you had anything other than a knee-jerk reaction, I shall cede points based in solid evidence.
If America had the balls to actually bring Israel to task, they'd force them to cede most of what they gained in the Suez Canal Crisis, set aside areas -good areas- for Palestinians, and stop acting like paranoid fucks. The current talks that Israel and Syria are currently engaged in is a damned good start towards solving the latter of those notions; It is much easier to justify being reactionary fundamentalist thugs when virtually every bordering country is either hostile or denies your legitimate existance as a country.
The initial question was why we still ally ourselves with Israel, the answer is generally this: dedication to failed foreign policy, vested interests by Jews, fallacious reasoning, and overall greed.
You ask, with friends like these, who needs enemies?
My question is simply this: Who benefits from this?
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Anonymous2008-04-19 10:34
>>49
If America had any balls, they'd tell the sandniggers "vae victis," and take back the oil fields that the US discovered, the US developed, and which were US property until the sandniggers seized them in 1973 (and seizure of foreign property has always been recognized as casus belli).
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Anonymous2008-04-19 11:24
>>50
Now here is a retard with no comprehension of history
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Anonymous2008-04-19 13:30
>>reactionary fundamentalist thugs
You're talking about Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the Palestiniscum here, right?
no sorry I'm talking about the IDF. Here's a news article that came out today about jewish soldiers ignoring human rights and shooting women and children. If you can find a news story similar to this in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iran or Palestine, I'd love to see it. Keep in mind, I just linked a recent story.
If you pay attention, you'd realize this is an almost daily behavior among Israel's finest.
Here is a pretty neutral assessment of the Israel/Palestine human rights situation. I agree with this writer pretty much 100%. Israel might cause more civilian deaths than it should, but at least it doesn't go out of its way to target them. Also, note that, unlike the Lebanese, the Israelis did not chase the human rights reporters out of their country with pitchforks and torches when they dared to criticize them.
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Anonymous2008-04-20 12:16
>>53
lol Eurofag antisemitic propaganda. Have anything to back that up that doesn't come from Al-Jazeera, Al-Reuters, or Al-BBC?
Step 1- Ignore reliable information given out by a well-respected broadcast corporation with retarded name-calling
Step 2- Cry about no other source of information, is telling what you don't want to hear
Nice method there, I guess that's how you remain completely oblivious to the world and keep your ancient reactionary notions.
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Ubernostrom2008-04-20 21:37
>>59
New ideas are scary to most of these guys. Leave some out for them to sniff at for a while, maybe something will take. If it doesn't, then we are fully justified in ignoring their backwards opinion and moving on with our lives.
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Anonymous2008-04-20 22:12
>>59 BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW HE DOESN'T BELIEVE AL-JAZEERA PROPAGANDA LIKE ALL RIGHT-THINKING SENSITIVE MODERN LIBERALS DO
We've had ties with them for a long time. They're another important base in the Middle East. Having ties with them allows us to balance out groups that are hostile to the U.S. such as Hamas from controlling the region. It's also worthy to note that one of our first free trade agreements was signed with Israel.
Besides perhaps the costs of military aid (which I agree should be reduced), I don't really see any reason for decreasing ties with Israel. We don't need to commit our full, unconditioned support in any situation to Israel (as we don't with any other nation), but Israel is an ally in a region with many countries that are or may become hostile to the US.
hamas isn't anti-US. they could have attacked the US 1000 times by now if they were.
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Anonymous2008-04-22 8:37
Hamas isn't particularly anti US mainly because Israel is in the way. If they didn't have a more urgent situation on their hands, they'd be helping Al-Queda against the US. Not to mention that they are known to be connected to terrorist activity in Europe.
Anyway, I think the US is more worried about Hizballah than Hamas, due to their ties to Iran.
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Anonymous2008-04-22 8:37
Hamas isn't particularly anti US mainly because Israel is in the way. If they didn't have a more urgent situation on their hands, they'd be helping Al-Queda against the US. Not to mention that they are known to be connected to terrorist activity in Europe.
Anyway, I think the US is more worried about Hizballah than Hamas, due to their ties to Iran.
It appears that we just recognize Israel as a free-state and became allies to further our relations across the Atlantic.
What I find quite suprising is why we continue the relations especially after the Israel-Egypt disaster when one of our communication fleets was deliberately attacked by Israeli helicopters and boats firing torpedoes. Our ship that was attacked barely made it back to port looking like swiss cheese. Later on of course I heard Israel was slaughtering the Egyptians and didn't want America to know anything about it. But than I found out that Egypt was performing some pretty horrific experiments or something like that on children. Might have been some ritualistic practices where the clitoris of the female children is literally cut from the body so when they get older they don't try to get pregnant and disgrace their family name or something to that effect. I'm still not quite sure of any of this, to me it's still just a story until I can get some conclusive material and photos to coincide with these claims.
Israel didn't purposefully attack the USS Liberty. What would be the motivation of attacking its own ally? The Liberty was attacked because a) an Israeli spyplane pilot that recognized it as American was an idiot and failed to report it to HQ, and b) the captain of the ship was an idiot and chose not to respond to Israeli radio hailing. This was a textbook case of military stupidity and incompetence on both sides, not malice.
As for Israel "slaughtering" the Egyptians? The six day war was in response to the Egyptian navy blockading the Straits of Teheran, blocking off Israel's trade routes. That's an act of war.
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Anonymous2008-04-27 9:26
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ARABS
BAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW JEWS
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Anonymous2008-04-27 10:28
>>71
Why the multiple A's when bawwwwing against kikes?
Kike detected.
>>70 |What would be the motivation of attacking its own ally?
The motivation would have been trying to lure the US into the war. Israel was our ally, and any attack would have "undoubtedly" been the fault of Egypt.
Israel never hailed the Liberty. Israel just attacked the ship, repeatedly, targeting it's communications first. After the US lost contact with the ship, we almost attacked Cairo with nukes. It was only through the efforts of the captain, working doubletime to fix the radio, that this was averted.
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Anonymous2008-04-27 16:05
>>74
things like that happen, not everything has to be a conspiracy theory, faggot
>>70
Alright!!! That's what I'm talking about! Research! You did it! Not many people will actually investigate, just like me; but sometimes, putting a little truth in with mostly lies you just might rouste someone to actually perform cohesive research that co-incides or detracts from previous statements!!! HAHA! YES! So we can both agree that the Liberty was attacked by Israel, we can both agree that Israel attacked Egypt, correct? The motives aren't as important as the first primary steps of communication and cooperation; fortunately, my uncle who served in the army happened to get a hold of actual video from the attack on the Liberty. There were US Flags all over the ship, there were constant communiques going out that they were an American Communication ship so there was limited fire power on the ship itself to make room for communications and reconnaissance-based missions. They were sitting ducks! Whether or not Israel was incompitent appears to me like ploy, but that's not important. What is important is the reasons also behind the attacks on Egypt. Egypt actually directly attacked Israel and Israel responded by strategy and took Egypt's capital and showed them the might of their small numbers against Egypt's large numbers but unskilled combatants. It's not conspiracy, it's things that people do that other people get ashamed about and cover up by saying Israel was incompitent and didn't know what they were doing. Yet, they were able to unite, and completely overtake the Egyptian capital and walk away. The attack on the Liberty, realistically, was a deliberate attack to hide what activities were transpiring in Egypt even though it was completely warranted. It was a show of power by force, but had the potential to be misinterpretted as is every form of human conduct. Why do you think the history books you read don't show more real truths, but only what can be reported to the benefit of the reader? Sheesh! Check out "Mr. Wahl's Classroom" You'll find out that a lot of reported history is mostly popular opinion, or what should or shouldn't be reported so that the responder, the reader, will come to a proud understanding as opposed to a very human understanding. Please, continue doing research, do not stop! This is what communiation and cooperation is all about, I'm not always right, but when you have video that shows the happenings during that fateful day, it changes your perspective. I just wish they would declassify certain parts of that mission so I could get my uncle to convert the film into digital and I could release it publically on YouTube. If you feel as though we are always in the RIGHT, the transmitter, person telling the story, might be fabricating much of the information to satisfy the responder. You see it with children, co-workers, friends and family, what makes you think it's any different out there? Yes we are all children, but by being aware of the absolutes of human beings and studying the relativities of each individual, we have the opportunity and a greater potential to learn and become adults. It's a scary but interesting prospect that I barely grasp myself. P.S. Look for common factors or common denominators in everything, these helped me to better understand human nature. We all have brains, we all have different capabilities when using them, we have also come to the point where we can choose whether to listen or ignore. That is the state we are in, but only if you perform research. Good Job, >>70!
"The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as 'murderous bastards.' It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident."
LOL at the Jewpologists who refuse to acknowledge that Israel attacked the USS Liberty. If Iran had attack that ship in that fashion, we'd have declared war against them ... but since it was done by JEWS, it was forgiven. It was forgiven since Jews have strong control of the organs of the US government (and media and entertainment and academia).
LOL at the OBVIOUS controllers of the Jewnited Kikes of Jewmerica. Jews only control America since you limp-wrists allow it to happen. All the Jews need to do is say "anti-Semite" and they send you scurrying back into your homes in shameful fear. They control you since you don't have the courage to keep America in majority hands (White European Christians).
The Navy, the State Department, and the CIA all agree that the attack on the Liberty was accidental. Knowing our government's track record for responding to people who shoot at us, do you really think they'd have just sat there and continued to support Israel if they had any reason to think it was on purpose? When a US ally tries something like that, the US has it overthrown and replaced with a more cooperative regime. That didn't happen.
So, either a) evil Jews are controlling the CIA, or b) the government has sufficient evidence to prove that the attack was a case of mistaken identity. Take also into account the fact that the Liberty was in an area where naval engagements between two well-armed nations was going on, and ask yourself; would it have taken a conspiracy?
Ok, I see what you're saying, >>82. But in order to understand their words you must first understand their nature and the nature of human beings as well. This didn't happen with your research hence the delusional rationalizations, this isn't your fault rather lack of experience in performing research. Research in and of itself isn't the key, the key is to understand who people are and the functions of the rolls in which they perform and then perform research. Take for example the sole task of the CIA is to maintain a balance between US and foreign relations and in doing so that promotes longevity between them. Taken into account that all CIA operatives have to have Bachelors degrees and you now see that they are highly educated humans and will most likely understand that uneducated humans or less-educated humans are more likely to ensite retaliation in light of potential threats, this in effect is the nature of all living creatures on this planet. When threatened; attack. So, to report a false claim would be of greater longevity to foreign relations to render further discussion, communication and cooperation with other humans. That's what we as humans have been trying to escape from since the dark ages when we saw The Church burning people at the stake and torturing them. We saw the possibility that we could be next and decided to educate ourselves further and get out of that trend that we are so accustomed to perform. I hope that all of you understand this, it's not about what they say, it's about how they say it and their motive operandi. And as far as Jews being evil, I'm guessing that you would be some form of Catholicism or Christianity due to the duragatory remarks even if you yourself aren't aware of it. Any person that retorts that ANY human is evil sees in this adversary a trait of the human race as detestable, repressed that trait within themselves, and through evidence being brought to light retorts in anger about how "Evil" or "Devilish" or "Monstrous" that adversary revealed. The funny thing is that the person that retorts is actually ashamed of themselves of this repressed human trait hence the anger. Just start an argument with anyone about something that you may or potentially could do and watch the shock on their face. This is the first sign of shame. Anger, denial, or even an attempt to dodge or deflate the remarks are often the remarks of peoples repressed human traits that they have lost track of and become ignorant to. The best part is about being anonymous, you don't really know who it is your talking to, but for me, if you are talking, you are human and I need only read your replies and messages to get a better understanding of who you really are. Thank you for your time, "The 'Time' stealing Monster".
I'm Jewish, actually. The "evil jews" comment was meant in mockery of those (including several posters on this thread, it appears) who think that some secret cable of Jewish masterminds is controlling the US.
Now, really, I don't appreciate being told my research methods are flawed without any explanation of what you think is wrong with them. I do know that the US has decided that the attack on the Liberty was accidental, and that there was a series of documented communications errors leading up to that unfortunate incident. I also know that dozens of US soldiers have died from friendly fire in Iraq, and recognize that the probability of that happening is even greater when observing a battle between two other nations, as communication between the watchers and watched is less expedient and regulated than between two soldiers of the same army.
I also don't see why Israel would see the need to resort to such desperate measures to gain US support in Egypt. The six day war was won in six days. Hence the name. Israel went into that war knowing it couldn't lose. Why risk such an important alliance (with the USA) to frame a country that they could easily take care of by themselves? If the Liberty incident had occurred during a more desperate conflict, I might see your reasoning. As it is, however, it just doesn't make sense.
>>82
Moron, since Israel was counted as an ally, and lots of Jewish professionals filled those agencies, there was NO WAY that the US was going to respond in kind. Israel's nukes also came from outright theft of US uranium and plutonium stocks. AGAIN, since Jews were controlling all this and Israel was officially an ally.
Let me tell you a fucking story, you Jewfreak. Once upon a fucking time, there was a nation called Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom was a great place to train and recruit terrorists. However, the Kingdom was the official ally of the West, and so despite Saudi terrorists (note: Osama bin Laden is SAUDI), there have been ZERO reprisals upon the Kingdom. THE FUCKING END.
Oh, but how can it possibly be that Saudis have used terrorism to attack the West, yet the West doesn't respond in kind upon the Kingdom?
THAT is why Israel (one of the world leading terrorist nations) remains unattacked by the West. JEWFREAK.
>>83
Jews in the State Department, the CIA, the FBI, etc.
Jews in ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox, etc.
Jews in every university and college across America.
Jews filling the Boards of many corporations in America.
Boy, if you don't WANT to see all those Jews, then YOU are fucking nuts!
>>88
Israel is a terrorist and nuclear-weapon-owning state in the Middle East what has not only attacked other nations with impunity but has ALSO committed several acts of war upon the USA (stealing fissionables, and attacking the USS Liberty). But the USA continues to lavish praise and assistance upon such a nation.
I'm not exaggerating at all about the influence of Jewry in the USA. The clear problem here is your fucking DENIAL of that influence. Your media, corporations and classrooms are dominated by Jewish professionals, and what do you know? -- they tend to support ISRAEL.
The only troll here is YOU. The troll is YOUR DENIAL of the absurd influence of Jews upon the USA.
Actually, they ushered Jesus to his death throne! Praised be the Jews! Praised be the Longevity of the destroyers of Self-Awareness, Praised Be to the ineptitude of our own self-deluded misogeny, Praised be the shit that muddles our eyes from the visualizations of existance, praised be the murders, rapists, and molesters for they the take away our shame and give us Joy in the raptures of inpunity and conviction, Praised be!
*AnOnYmOuS 2U, notices something sticking out. It looks like a handle. Hmm, twist, twist, twist, Oh shoot that's a knife in RedCream's back, how did that get there I wonder?
Yup, RedShamWow; you have the Jewish influence written in everything you say. Scapegoat this, scapegoat that; isn't that what happened with Jesus? Oh he got killed by becoming the scapegoat didn't he, that's right I forgot silly me. :P *me not really caring to insult the Jewish community and faith, just to tear RedCockJam from his thrown of ego-enduced delusions of grandure, but damn if it just keeps growing higher and higher. Sooner or later I may have to give up, I guess that's when he'll realize he's all alone in his bedroom typing madly trying to not be the underdog and consistantly attempting to put his self-image above the rest. I don't really give a damn, but if I put you on Cloud 9 like I do with girls, no other man can can satisfy therefore you'll be left to your "Happyness".
*Hands RedCream some Skinsations lubricant, a dildo, and a clit enlarger.* Check out some porn sites, have your credit card ready with a hefty balance, and plug away. D'jakis, ReDSnAuT? "...best friend's always his mother, least that's what she said. Life of a simple man, thought that everyone else is dirty, and life was meaningless, just a soiled dirty boy. Shades of life, innocence, insolated memories stuck reflections in my head. Life! Submissiveness!..." -MudVayne
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Anonymous2008-04-28 21:46
Jesus fucking Christ there's not room on here for another megalomaniac namefag.
>>92
It's not a troll if it's true. Why does the USA support terrorist regimes like Saudi Arabia and Israel? It's because those "subraces" exert undue and traitorous influence upon the US Congress and other organs of the US government. The US Congress was in fact the FIRST territory that the Zionists illegally occupied before Palestine was reformed into this bastard political child called Israel.
>>93
I'm not scapegoating anyone. To scapegoat, you have to assert something's wrong then assign an uninvolved population to blame for it. At the very least, the Jews in the USA and largely the West are DIRECTLY involved in setting foreign policy for the West towards the Arab world.
You must be feeling the guilt of having supported Jewish rule over the West for decades. Go ahead and let all that guilt out, man. Admit your failures and then you can work on correcting them.
RedCram, what the hell? You say your not scapegoating, but than you blame another race for some uncorrollating incident that you have some anger towards...so what are you really angry about? Is it your inability to walk...is that it? Are you angry that you sit around and do nothing while mindless zombies get away with raping and infecting beautiful models with their seeds and pop out more mindless zombies and beautiful models to fuck and bread? I mean, why the hostility man? Is it because you talk more than you perform? From my angel, I'm pretty tasty. U may 1st want 2 b a O2 molecule b4 u r a H2O molecule. If this is too confusing, read confusious. If life is too boring, there are plenty of tools to get you to the afterlive. A rusty K-bar aught do it. Or perhaps you prefr a sifter method. Prhps u prfr 2 tk ur lf by shtng urslf btwn th brwz gvng ur brn no tm 2 rct 2 ur stpd actns, oh waht...I guess all you need is the pstl. Good luck with that, I'm broke as all hell, so don't ask me for money. Go propane your all-powerful spitl on someone who gives a shit about what ur takling aboot. I hope you engoyed my little misspelling event here today, as did I...ad sid i. Uckfay Ouyay, EdrayRamcay. Ogay ucksay aay orseshay ockcay ndaay ontday orgetfay hetay apkinsnay!
Israel is an egalitarian 1st world democracy, Arab citizens make up 20% of the population and have full universal suffrage including affirmative action style policies in their favor, although Israel has a few bigots like every other country, Israel is not a "jewish state".
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Anonymous2010-11-09 18:07
The USA supports Israel because of banking and world economy. Durp.
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Anonymous2010-11-10 11:29
According to todays news, officially USA does not support Israel anymore.
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Anonymous2010-11-12 4:11
Organsations like Aipac and the anti-defamation league also pwn all us politicians and if the said politicians don't support israel they are destroyed in the jewish owned media. Jews are basically the devil incarnate holding the us and all western nations to ransom
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Anonymous2010-11-17 20:13
The United States of America as God's greatest Christian nation have a moral obligation to support Israel and the Jewish people.
So why are people pushing for "two and three state solutions" instead of a one state solution? Get rid of the borders at the Gaza Strip and West Bank and let people go wherever the hell they want.
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Anonymous2010-11-17 20:15
>>108
I don't want to live by any dangerous Arabs. I also don't need them represented in my government. They can all go back to Egypt and Syria where they came from.
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Anonymous2010-11-17 20:15
>>109
And you all Jews can go back to Europe where you came from.