Would you vote for Hitler?

He did not conquer by force.  He was voted into office because the Nazis promised government-provided benefits, and the people fell for it.

Sound familiar?

I smell libertaryan retardation...

>>2
Libfag doesn't realise that the Nazis' were 'National Socialists' They were very economically socialist, and they were also quite social on society but with conservative strands in there as well. And what OP said is true, go and look at the propaganda posters from before the war, they're all about wages and benefits of the Nazi party.

In before raging faggot spams misspelled exaggerations and fails to back them up.

>>3
You do realize the same retarded "argument" based only on the wording was disproved in another thread, yet, of course, it is the retarded libertaryan way to repeat disproved delusions, I see... You'll just have to cry harder.

Man, this is a stretch even for me...

Anyone who isn't a free market fundementalist is SOSHALIST!!! and, soshalists are evil, and nazis are evil, so soshalists and nazis are the same - nevermind the fundemental contradictions in the ideologies, I'm too stupid to know them - to me, SOSHALISM = STAYT!! THEREFORE I DEEM NAZIS SOSHALIST, AND LOOK, THEY HAVE SOCALIST IN THEIR NAME HOW MORE OBVIOUS CAN YOU GET! EVEN IN SHITTY HOLLYWOOD MOVIES THEY MAKE FUN OF THIS, BUT I'M A COMPLETE RETARD, I'LL JUST REPEAT THIS DELUSION IGNORING REALITY, NO MATTER HOW MUCH PROOF I SEE!!! SEE MY WONDROUS LOGIC CHAINS!!! HITLER=BUSH=OBAMA=LENIN

ALSO, NOTICE HOW I MAKE CLAIMS OBVIOUSLY RETARDED LIKE IN >>1, WITH NO PROOF GIVEN (AND CAN'T BE GIVEN, OUTSIDE RETARDED BLOGS ETC. WRITTEN BY PEOPLE AS RETARDED AS ME) AND I CRY ABOUT PEOPLE EXPOSING MY RETARDATION IN AN OBVIOUS FASHION AS UNBACKED!!! Well, I'm an extremely retarded an ignorant person who believes such things, no matter I make declerations such as >>1, "prove" it with >>3 and then cry about my impending failure in >>4. I truly am a pathetic organism, but my meager mind is only capable of this much. Believe in retardation and ignore contradictions in the retardation, again and again...

Reposting just to see retarded libertarians cry more;

    The idea that workers controlled the means of production in Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism.

    Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The Nazi “Charter of Labor” gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the “leader of the enterprise,” and read: “The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise.” The employer, however, was subject to the frequent orders of the ruling Nazi elite. After the Nazis took power in 1933, they quickly established a highly controlled war economy under the direction of Dr. Hjalmar Schacht.

    Prior to the Nazi seizure of power in 1933, worker protests had spread all across Germany in response to the Great Depression. During his drive to power, Hitler exploited this social unrest by promising workers to strengthen their labor unions and increase their standard of living. But these were empty promises; privately, he was reassuring wealthy German businessmen that he would crack down on labor once he achieved power.

    The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. An organization called the “Labor Front” replaced the old trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers.

    According to the law that created it, “Its task is to see that every individual should be able… to perform the maximum of work.” Workers would indeed greatly boost their productivity under Nazi rule but they also became exploited. Between 1932 and 1936, workers wages fell, from 20.4 to 19.5 cents an hour for skilled labor, and from 16.1 to 13 cents an hour for unskilled labor.

>>8
That's lovely and all but it only reflects a portion of their ideology.  You kind of left out the part about promising handouts for the German/Aryan people, or the other insidious socialist ideas related to health care.  For example this slogan:

Your body belongs to the nation!
Your body belongs to the Fuhrer!
You have a duty to be healthy!
Food is not a private matter!

>>9
Oh, of course... Let's run away from facts when we are shown the libertaryan declaration about "socialist economy" was utterly wrong, and look at a pamphlets about food! Now I believe they were socialist, thanks!

Libertaryan, can't you turn down the caps a little/

>>10
...right and you're not running from the fact that socially, the nazi party was very liberal.  Yes, let's all just look at part of the system rather than the system as a whole, that's a fair and objective way to look at things.

Hitlers main goal was always to crush Marxism.

What could be more noble than that?

>>12
As a retarded loser, I understand that you are just ignoring the important parts and going to details, but now you have exposed your retardation again, by proclaiming "liberal", "socialist". I wonder how socialism with its motto of universal equality fit in with day-to-day discrimination against jews and gypsies, and more funnily socialists and communist - but hey, let's keep looking for a tiny detail which is consistent with "socialism" to declare nazis socialist, because we aren't discussing history or reality here, we just are trying to confirm butthurt delusions stemming from ignorance, right?

>>14
Oh, I see, the Nazi's called themselves National Socialists, but they really weren't socialists......hmmmmm......Kind of like democrats who call themselves democrats but are really socialists, huh?....

>>15
And here we are, back in where the whole retardation started, I guess pointing out that national socialism wasn't socialism was too much for your retarded mind, and you reset yourself into screaming about the name. Am I a flying penguin if I call myself one, retarded loser? Neither your shitty liberal democrats nor the german fascists are socialist and claiming so serves to expose your ignorance and potentially your nationality (as I have never seen any non-American retard make such ridiculous claims). You can keep crying about them, but you don't have to lump them all in the same set just because you are too stupid to comprehend the differences with your ignorant libertaryan mind.

Also notice how even >>6 has a better "argument" than >>15

>>16,17
LOL. Obvious butthurt Socialists trying to defend their failed ideology.

>>15
More like North Koreans who call their country a democratic republic or like Catholics who call their religion Christian.

>>18
And here we see a retard unable to answer to facts, regressing to his original sequence of whining and crying. Yes, anyone who knows things is also "socialist" in your tiny mind - k.

>>20
BAAAAWWWWW! PEOPLE CAN SENSE MY BUTTHURT! BAAAAWWWWW!

>>21
Indeed I did sense how butthurt you were by your complete inability to answer to factual arguments yet again. You should keep crying.

>>22
But he did answer you arguments and showed them not to be factual, to which your response was "FUCK YOU RETARD UR JUST BUTTHURT CRY HARDER" which I see pasted across this particular forum on a daily basis.

It can't all be you.. Can it? No one could possibly be that sad.

>>23
So, let me see - you are a retard who is ignoring factual reality posted here, like >>8 but are considering this >>18 as "factual argument", and then crying when pointed out how retarded this is.

Then again, maybe if I was an epically retarded libertarian, I would try to run away from reality like that too. Very, very sad indeed...

National socialism is in the same sense a socialist ideology as are libertarian socialism, democratic socialism, market socialism etc.
Proudhon, for instance, was like "I think Marx is a cool guy, eh studied philosophy and doesn't afraid of anything ... but I will still develop my own brand of socialism."
Nazis were fans of the planned economy idea but compensated for that by hating everything else about Marx.
If you'd listen what the nazi successor parties in Germany have to say about capitalism you'd get the impression that they're die hard commies.

>>25
What they say =/= what they do

...and unlike anarchist communism etc. national socialism has no "philosophy" behind it, therefore if you proclaim national socialism as socialist just because they put that in their name, ignoring the definitions, then pretty much every capitalist regime can also fit into the bill.

>>26
By using this logic, you would have to throw out every label given to anything political. You're going off an absolutist assumption that anyone deciding to call themselves something ie, liberal, conservative, socialist etc... has to act 100% accordingly. In the political world, this has never happened and never will. There are no "absolutes" in politics.

>>27
I see that despite tons of proof, you still can't comprehend simple truth.

Fact = Nazis didn't do anything fitting the definition of socialist
Fact = Nazis actively fought against socialism
Fact = Nazi economic and social policies had nothing to do with socialism
Fact = National socialism didn't have a theoretical basis nor claimed to be a part of the socialist movement
Fact = Etatism isn't socialism

Basically, what you retarded losers are doing is finding one thing in common (which is only the name so far) and declaring it socialist - if it was 1% socialist then it was 99% capitalist, retarded loser - why not go the other way?

As you can see, with using logic and reason you can reach sensible conclusions, but you can keep up whining just because you are too retarded for a non-bifurcated worldview, it has to be "you" and "dem soshalists", right, retarded loser?

>>28
>Fact = Statism isn't socialism

LOL? Fucking liberal cry baby go look up shit before you go crying about it on 4chan you fucking faggot.

>>29
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This is so sad I can't even begin to explain how. Yeah, yeah anarchist-communism is capitalist and Bush is socialist, riight.

...and these people keep crying when their intelligence is questioned

>>28
The Nazi's HATED the failed execution of Weimar democracy, so they implemented a fascist/socialist form of government and economic policies. What is so hard to understand about that?

>>28
Yeah, cuntface. What he>>31 said...

>>32
Now, now... Although >>28's face is very "cunt-like" in it's appearance, let's not get sidetracked by that...

>>31
>fascist/socialist
What's hard to understand, is, why are you retards still insisting they are similar despite gallons of proof disproving your retardation shown, with only counterargument being ITS NAEM IS SOSHALIST, and other unbased claims which were disproven before they were even posted, such as "they implemented socialist government and economic policies" I know you aren't the brightest of the lot, but you should be accommodate more than binary information in your brain. Not every non-libertaryan is socialist, dear retarded loser. Re-read >>28 again and again and cry over your failure.

Let's set aside the zomg socialism bullshit for just a moment.  The fact is, Hitler was a fantastic orator and got into power by promising Germany all kinds of wonderful things.  And today we have a man running for office who is also a pretty darn good orator and he's promising a lot of wonderful government handouts and a future made of milk and honey too.

>>34
Lern2history lol.
You're so uneducated, you have actually achieved WIN for FAILING so hard...

>>36
Are you trying to break a record in the field of "greatest amount of irony concentrated in one post" with your illogical and factually disproven delusions?

>>35
Yet another piece of brilliant reductio ad hitlerum. Godwin's law etc.

I wouldn't vote for a damn Australian.

STORMFRONT

LIIBERTOOTIANS ARE KAWAII ^______^

fuck australia seriously

damn strayan nazis

>>26
Well, what they DID was, in fact, planned economy and they also had a philosophy behind it.
How do you want to define socialism? State owned means of production? CHECK
It was certainly not the way Marx envisioned it but they never claimed to be marxists in the first place.

>>44
Here is a retard who still thinks etatism is socialism, and ignoring the fact that even if it was, the nazis had a mixed economy, they claimed to be a "third way". So, you have managed to expose your ignorance in two issues with one post, and your retardation by ignoring >>28 and >>8. It seems the only thing to do if you are going to stick to those delusions is cry more, retarded loser.

>>44
The Nazis weren't Socialists, you Libertarian faggot. The Nazis were Statists, first and foremost. Ever heard of Corporatism?

>>45
Give me your definition of socialism.

>>48
Something that everyone who isn't a LIBERTARYAN subscribes to.

>>48
Won't give his definition cuz he's a nigger...

>>47
Why not check out non LIBERTARYAN sources for a universally recognized one? Not to mention, the countless times you should have seen it around here, if you weren't busy screaming BUSH IS SOSHALIST. Oh, right, you are incapable of learning and comprehending, sorry.

>>50
I'll use an improved of your style to disprove you.
Fight fire with fire.

nigger

>>51
You have only managed to expose your retardation again by having a post that not only contains no facts, but also one revealing your denial of the posted facts, and an additional conscious denial you have orchestrated to deny the obvious reality that you are retarded - which is always given with a reason. Also, I urge you to at least learn English before humiliating yourself further by continuing in the vicious cycle of ignorance and denial.

>>52
nigger

>>52
pwnd bitch

Is it any small coincidence that Libertaryan who appears to be such a strong supporter of Nazism is deliberately mispelled LibertARYAN.

I think not.  Also, I do have to agree with the OP.
>>28
WIKIPEDIA MOTHERFUCKER CAN YOU USE IT?
"Nazi publications and speeches included anti-capitalist (especially anti-finance capitalist) rhetoric.[53] Hitler attacked what he called “pluto-democracy,” which he claimed to be a Jewish conspiracy to favor democratic parties in order to keep capitalism intact.[54] The “corporation” was attacked by orthodox Nazis as being the leading instrument of finance capitalism, with the role of Jews emphasized.[55] The National Socialist party described itself as socialist, and, at the time, conservative opponents such as the Industrial Employers Association described it as “totalitarian, terrorist, conspiratorial, and socialist.”[56]"

>>55
>Rhetoric, described itself...


Congratulations in ignoring their actions, and the fact that they opposed socialism brutally, which also was in their rhetoric, retarded loser. You'll just have to cry harder and read >>28 over and over again.

>>55
Wikipedia is a garbage source. Use of it as reference diqualifies you from the discussion...

>>57
in b4 crap cited from conspiracy theory blogs

Ron Paul is socialist

>>56
They didn't oppose socialism, they opposed bolshevism.

>>60
TRUTH.

>>56 won't admit it because he, himself, is actually Bolshevik vermin.

Conservapedia is a better source.

I'm starting a new school of thought, called retard socialism. Basically, it's the same as libertarianism, but it has socialism in its name, and it opposes other socialists fitting the definition, but since they are other variants of socialism, and my fallacious ideology won't be judged by intelligent people who can understand definitions and observe reality in its relation to history, libertaryanism is now socialist. You all must kill yourselves after this perfect chain of logic, which either exposed to you how retarded your thought was, or made you evil soshalists. Goodbye.

>>63
LOL.
Has been owned so many times, he's getting delirious..

>>64
If by "owned" you mean "exposed logical fallacies and put out irrefutable facts on the table repeatedly, which some retards responded in various tones of whining", then yes. But that would imply your definition of owned is ass-backwards like your definition of socialism, but hey that is mental retardation for you...

>>65
Let's hear your definition of socialism, comrade...

(crickets)

Yeah, that's what I thought...Your subservience continues...

>>66
facepalm.jpg
How retarded are you exactly? Not only it is irrelevant (...and, you haven't managed to answer a single one of the factual arguments here), if you knew how to read, you could easily understand, but instead of learning you chose to make another post exposing your retardation.

The only thing left to you is cry more, look at this thread and all others and see how your inferior mind void of knowledge has failed again and again when faced with reality. Scream louder BUSH IS SOSHALIST!! NAZIS ARE SOSHALIST!!! and maybe you won't hear reality, retarded loser.

>>67
What countries, in your view, are socialist then?...

Ahhh, Hitler. A great man. JFK having endorsed him was his one saving grace.

Er, JFK's saving grace, that is.

>>68
EVERYWHERE EXCEPT LIBERTARYAN PARADISE ON EARTH SOMALIA!!!!!!

The term reductio ad Hitlerum (Latin: you're Hitler) is a flawless logical thought process or rational sense of reasoning that proves you are all like Hitler in some way, shape, or form. The reductio ad Hitlerum logic is of the form "Adolf Hitler (or the Nazi party) supported X; therefore X must be evil". This logic is often effective due to the near-instant condemnation of anything to do with Hitler or the Nazis.

It is important to understand that those policies advocated by Hitler and his party that are generally considered good-natured, are all accepted by themselves, but because Hitler supported them, they are evil. In other words: genocide and Aryan white supremacy (for example) are considered evil because Hitler advocated them, rather than Hitler is considered evil because he advocated them.

The rational nature of reductio ad Hitlerum is best illustrated by identifying X as something that Adolf Hitler or his supporters did promote but which is not considered evil — for example, X = "owning dogs", X = "painting watercolors", X = "exterminating the Jews".

in before retarded libertaryans take the uncyclopedia copypasta seriously and cry about that too

>>71
FEAR IS YOUR GOD

BAWWWW EVUL LIEBERTARIANS WANTS TO TAKES MAH WELFARE MONIES AWAY

>>75
Aww look, the retarded libertarian crying in a manner that shows his complete lack of comprehension over both the issue at hand and how he clearly was brought to brink of tears. You should keep in mind all the "retarded" arguments parodied are actually seriously perpetrated by you and your retarded bretheren, while you imitated this in trying to construct a shitty strawman. Is there anything you retards don't fail at?

>>76
Under a libertarianism firearms would be widespread preventing Hitler's brownshirts from terrorising voters, there would also be a constitution outlining libertarian principles and instructing people to shoot Hitler should he attempt to dissolve or disobey them.

>>77
Thanks for a new post full of fail once again. Lern2history, retarded loser.

>>77
In addition to failure in content, notice the irrelevancy in the drooling sounds the retarded loser makes about his wet dream of being under several libertarianisms on bed.