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how can we convince people Israel sucks?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-05 18:44

I've taken part in a whole bunch of Zionism threads, and I've noticed that despite my mountains of evidence that modern Israel is a bloodthirsty, militant leech that offers nothing but pain, misery and debt to both America and her neighbors, people seem intent on defending her.  I've also noticed that very few minds are changed in these debates; i.e. people who support Israel continue to do so and people who don't support Israel continue not to.

What new tactics can be used to convince people that Israel, in it's modern Zionist form, is a scourge upon the land?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-05 19:02

>>1
Eh, I think we should just let Israel handle their own shit - Horrible atrocities will be committed regardless of who wins in the region but it'd finally be settled - Violence solves everything.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-05 19:05

>>2

ok, your advocating apathy, and aside from being counterintuitive, it doesn't address my main question at all.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-05 19:08

it presents america a key ally in the oil rich middle east

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-05 19:15

The problem with that 4 is we don't want allies in the Middle East we just want to dominate it - If we wanted allies we'd have gone into Iraq with Iran's support
>>3
Well it'd convince people that Israel is evil if they came out on the winning side and there wouldn't be an issue if they were just wiped out.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-05 19:59

Jews vs sand niggers -- take your pick. I side with the Jews by a very large margin.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-05 20:02

>>6
Yes, because everybody ever is racist and has already decided what races are superior, you dumb fuck.

Oh wait, look at the time!  Are you late for your Klan meeting yet, you inbred trailer-dwelling fuck?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-05 20:42

>>7
Like you how you try to turn the tables, when you're probably just another Stormfronter anti-Semite.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-05 20:59

>>9

so if you're not 100% pro-jew you're antisemitic?  looooll

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-06 8:06

Perhaps we should remind people that Israel is a secular democracy founded on the rule of law and with the concept of freedom at its core.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-06 8:38

>>10
Why did they kick palestinians out of their homes so jews can live there instead?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-06 12:31

I dunno, move the kikes too a useless country like Wales or something.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-06 12:40

>>11
Bawwww like you Stormfronters give a shit about the plight of the Palestinians. Maybe the Whites should move out of America and Australia since they pushed the indigeounous people out of that land too? No, I don't see anyone advocating that. Israel has been established for 60 years and it's as much the Jews home as it is anyone elses.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-06 13:49

>>10
perhaps we should remind people that isreal is the root of most problems in the middle east.

the most ironic part is the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians.  the fucking jews are doing to the palestinians what was done to the jews - discrimination, rounding up and concentrating the palestinians in large camps... no wonder the world's always hated the jews.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-06 14:06

Ethnic cleansing...lulz. Do you even know what ethnic cleansing is? It's not "discrimination, rounding up and concentrating the palestinians in large camps". It's genocide. It's not like the Israelis are gassing those fuckers, or just rolling up into villages and pulling My Lai's or anything.

Yeah, I will acknowledge that it was stupid to dump the Jews into the arab center of the world, though. That was just asking for trouble. No changing it now though. Besides, arabs would still be causing shit even if Israel wasn't there. I have no sympathy for Haji.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-06 16:44

>>13

Israel - justified by a centuries old genocide.  two wrongs make a right lol

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-06 19:11

>>16
so what at one point the jews owned israel then the muslims came in then the christians then the muslims now the jews are back again...what does it matter its changed hands so many times everyone and thier mother has a claim to it...so what if the jews have it for now maybe in a few centuries some other group will own it...just let it be.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-06 23:01

>>13 Everyone who dislikes Israel's governmental policies is a white supremacist? That's nearly as retarded as saying that everyone who disliked Nazi Germany's governmental policies hated all Germans. /godwin /thread

Name: Angry JEW 2007-12-07 9:41

Thats right mother fuckers im back......>>18 thank god some one who has a brain...as a jew yes i am pro israel but i am also pro "why the fuck cant we just live together."(that is the opinion of most jews) And i honestly hope that this current round of peace talks amounts to something but iran needs to keep its candy ass mouth shut! The only thing that makes me angry is the people who judge all jews as a single entity we are not a collective being we are individual people just like you...there is no grate conspiracy either the only reason we were out of israel in the first place and even give a shit what goes on in the world is the muslims invaded and kick us out about the same time as the fall of rome. /thread

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-07 10:52

>>13
troll harder

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-07 11:20

>>19
Because you stole houses and never got punished.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-07 13:48

>>19

OP here... while i applaud your use of the old tactic of conflating criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews, unfortunately for you, that argument can't work because people are smart enough to see they are two seperate issues.  And as I'm sure you know, there are even JEWS who don't support Israel.

| "why the fuck cant we just live together."

because Israel instigated genocide, land theft, and degradation.  Israel has exhibited the lowest, most vile of human qualities.  Israel IS the reason people can't just live together.  You support for that country shows you to be not only racist, but willfully blind to the atrocities committed by them.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-07 16:20

zionist jews have murdered thousands upon thousands of palestinians since the 1920's, when the jews started taking the land by force.  it's no wonder the muslims want to wipe it off the face of the earth, isreal was a huge fucking mistake with no right to exist.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-07 23:35

>>22
>>23
While I applaud seeking the truth of Israel's shameful conduct, please also remind yourselves that the Arab countries (mostly Jordan, Egypt, and Syria) also shat all over the Palestinians during the periods of Jewish immigration.  They knew damn well they were disenfranchising the Palestinian people (and themselves, really) when they sold their land for Jewish and British cash.  And since the formation of the state of Israel, they have done jack shit to help the cause of the Palestinians, choosing instead to bicker among themselves and jockey for the juicy parts of the West Bank.

tl;dr:  Fuck Israel, but fuck Jordan, Syria, and Egypt too.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 2:28

How about a compromise. Wipe out 1/2 the jews and 1/2 the palestinians and call it even.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 9:58

>>25
I'm behind you 100%

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 13:03

>>24

what you say might be true, but it doesn't give Israel a free pass.  in the end it's irrelevant because Israel is holding all the cards now

Name: ANGRY JEW 2007-12-08 22:29

lol i laugh at you all for the sole fact you take whats put on you plate and believe that its the only thing that exists...you dont even know the truth of the land that you all argue that the Palestinians should have control of. Read mother fuckers israel was the ancient land of the jews befour the muslims even existed...then they came in and forcefully took it from us...now we take it back again and you all cry and moan about it..you have proven nothing then the point that you are all blind to the very truth that exists in that land...i pity your ignorance.  

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 22:34

>>28

zionists love to believe the literal word of the book of Exodus.  LOOOLL I love a good story to.

but it simply isn't true.  modern archaeological evidence shows Jerusalem was founded by the Egyptians.  so let's take your argument to it's logical extreme and give the land back to Egypt!

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 22:36

>>29
wrong it wasent the egyptians...it was another group of people...that were conveniently wiped out. The people who were originally there dont exist any more.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-09 0:49

This article should go a long way in convincing people about Israel's deficiencies:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/932390.html

    "Israeli society is reaching new heights of racism that damages freedom of expression and privacy," author Sami Michael, president of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, said on the release of the organization's annual report. The publication coincides with Human Rights Week, which begins today.

    The report's key points include a 26-percent rise in the number of racist incidents against Arabs and twice as many Jews reporting a feeling of hate toward Arabs. "We are a society under supervision under a democratic regime whose institutions are being undermined and which confers a different status to residents in the center of the country and in the periphery," Michael said.

    According to the June 2007 Democracy Index of the Israel Democracy Institute, for example, only half the public believes that Jews and Arabs must have full equal rights.

    Among Jewish respondents, 55 percent support the idea that the state should encourage Arab emigration from Israel and 78 percent oppose the inclusion of Arab political parties in the government. According to a Haifa University study, 74 percent of Jewish youths in Israel think that Arabs are "unclean."

    The ACRI says that bills introduced in the Knesset contribute to delegitimize the country's Arab citizens, such as ones that would link the right to vote and receive state allowances to military or national service.

    "Arab citizens are frequently subject to ridicule at the airports," the report states.

    They also include bills that require ministers and MKs to swear allegiance to a Jewish state and those that set aside 13 percent of all state lands owned by the Jewish National Fund for Jews only.

    The government also threatens the freedom of expression of Arab journalists by brandishing the whip of economic boycott and ending the publication of government announcements in newspapers that criticize its policy.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-09 23:32

>>31
and i wonder what the racism is like on the other side as well? Its a two way problem not a one way.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-10 2:51

Boo fucking Hoo shithead. So Israeli's are whacking a few Palestinians. Should we give a shit? No.

I'm not going to give Palestinians the time of day until they get their shit together and start giving some rights to women, children, gays and other minorities they like killing for fun.

Israel isn't the issue here. It's how Palestinians and other Arabs treat their own populations.

Name: ANGRY JEW 2007-12-10 9:56

>>33
Thank You! At least some one dosent turn me out to be a daemon here. And truly thos figures in >>31 are really contorted.

Name: ANGRY JEW 2007-12-10 10:03

Oh and dont you know we dont kill the Palestinians they do that them selves they hate each other. 

Name: ANGRY JEW 2007-12-10 10:09

And lets just say for a second we are treating the palestinians as bad as you claim...as  if you people arent any different with blacks...and dont even try to deny it mother fuckers i live in america and i see it...you do the same thing the Israelis do...you let them wipe them selves out and its horrible and you go around saying that all jews are evil because of it...but no one will ever call you out on your mistreatment of africans...and no one assumes al whites are evil because of the skin heads...so why would you do that to me?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-10 12:32

>>34
>>35
>>36

Angry Jew, you're either a troll or you're as dumb as you are hateful.  The world will be a better place when you no longer have a 'homeland'

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-10 12:45

>>34
>>35
>>36
Jew harder.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-10 18:08

Heres an article by an actual member of the Israeli Knesset telling us that Israelis are racist but its OK because the arabs wont bow down and suck cock.  Shameful!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3481095,00.html

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-10 19:17

>>28

So basicaly you feal totaly justified in using some old writing from over 2000 years ago to justified all the loss of jewish and palestnian life? No to mention all the new generations of children that have to grow up with hatred as the moral core of their lives.

Face it you where pushed out of your homeland long ago.... you didnt take it back way back then when it would have been relevent... no instead you wandered the earth and decided to take it back ONLY after you felt the need for unity after the holocaust. Only after tragedy struck did you Zionist feal the need for your homeland once more. After more than 10 centuries.... thinking what i wonder that you can just say this is mine after other people live there now and have established lives, but not just any people, NOOO you had to piss-off muslism who have had a history of zealotry whos intensity matches your own.

Time has seen to it that both palestinians and Zionist jews hate each other with such intensity, that with each death, with each fight both sides feal that they are vindicated in the evil acts they must perpetrate. Time will see to it that all traces of compassion and tolerance is not but dust and empty words for both of you.

All for some piece of paper.....

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-11 13:26

>>40
Fail for collectivist thinking.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-11 15:11

>>41
Okay, could you tel what was so collectivist in that?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-11 16:51

>>40
we did not have sufficient forces to take it back then...now we do

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-12 19:04

What's with all the faggots in this thread?

Of course the Jews are going to be racist against arabs, arabs keep blowing up their malls, and the jews in turn demolish their homes. And because of this, both are going to bitch about it, which you people seem to eat up just to pick a side.

Also, genocide is specifically trying to go out and kill every person of a certain group. Israel is just forcing the muslims out. And yes, people tend to die when conquering land.

As for the OP's topic, the US supports Israel because it gives an ally and hold on the Middle East. It's the same reason why the US acts nice to Turkey. Simple as that.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-12 21:23

>>42
You did not distinguish between Jews who simply wanted to immigrate to Israel and Jewish extremists who think it is their divine right to kick Palestinians out.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-12 21:43

>>44

It has chosen over the decades to rely for security on power rather than persuasion. Fair enough; but it should rely on its own power, not power borrowed by political hook or crook from the United States. The U.S. has a very hard time of its own coming. We do not need to be encumbered by an "ally" who contributes nothing to our real security (or other) needs. And if Israel, feeling desperate, acts against Iran on its own? Who cares?--as long as the U.S. had nothing to do with it. We do not have to fight a wider war if, as we should, we choose not to. We can leave the war we have right now if, as we should, we choose to. The United States has this persistent delusion that somehow only it can keep the Middle East from exploding. In reality, all our efforts over the years have been one of the biggest reasons the region has been chaotic. Our interference has done nothing for the United States and everything for venal politicians looking for "threats" to make them look useful and for the oil companies who pay for their services.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-12 23:19

>>46
Israel made the Uzi and gave us Krav Maga. And they share intel with us probably.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-12 23:45

>>47

I'm the guy from #46.  This was my post: elegant, strightforward, direct. This was your post: duurr duuurr dur

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-13 0:13

>>48
Intel is a very valid reason faggot. The point for being an ally of Israel IS so that we have an arm in the Middle east. If we want to go to war with Iran, quess whos right there to help us? Iran and Israel, rather than nothing.

Are you saying it's not a good idea to have influence in a region you want to keep an eye on?

And your statement that "we can leave the war right now if we want to, as we should" reaks of Democrat propaganda. If the US suddenly packed up and left the Middle East, it would create an immense power vacuum that would, once again, be filled by extremeists and militant leaders. You have to stabilize the region, then leave it, which is what the US is currently doing, and doesn't happen over night.

And on a final note, the Middle has been fucked up well before the US got involved, the Muslim revolution, or when all the jews moved in. And with them there, it's one less spot to worry about.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-13 0:42

>>49

Let's not exaggerate. Israel's fate has little to do with the real world future of the USA. If Israel became Palestine tomorrow and all the jews left the next day, what would happen to the USA? Nothing. Maybe we'd inherit a bunch of smart refugees.

Israel matters mostly to the hearts of jews and fundamentalist Christians who expect Jesus to arrive there any day now.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-13 18:34

There was a great piece by a comedian called Doug Stanhope; basically the gist of it is:

who the fuck do we think we are? we have no right to presume we have to sort out other people's shit; imagine if during the election issues (bush/gore) the king of Tunisia came over and said 'now you sit here and you sit here, we're going to resolve this'.
we'd have told him to fuck off!

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-18 15:34

Israel is a feminine word?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-18 17:31

>>49

You fucking gringos created that power vacuum to begin with, so why do you come up with this stupid pretext? That's exactly what you wanted when you fucking invaded Iraq: a pretext. And why would you want to start a war with Iran besides kissing kike ass? You have top-of-the-notch satellite technology and you made up the "evidence" to go to Iraq. Fucking kike-lovers. Take your troops back to your fucking Gringoland and leave the Turd World alone.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-18 18:32

>>53
But how will we evacuate their precious resources?

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