how can we convince people Israel sucks?

I've taken part in a whole bunch of Zionism threads, and I've noticed that despite my mountains of evidence that modern Israel is a bloodthirsty, militant leech that offers nothing but pain, misery and debt to both America and her neighbors, people seem intent on defending her.  I've also noticed that very few minds are changed in these debates; i.e. people who support Israel continue to do so and people who don't support Israel continue not to.

What new tactics can be used to convince people that Israel, in it's modern Zionist form, is a scourge upon the land?

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Intel is a very valid reason faggot. The point for being an ally of Israel IS so that we have an arm in the Middle east. If we want to go to war with Iran, quess whos right there to help us? Iran and Israel, rather than nothing.

Are you saying it's not a good idea to have influence in a region you want to keep an eye on?

And your statement that "we can leave the war right now if we want to, as we should" reaks of Democrat propaganda. If the US suddenly packed up and left the Middle East, it would create an immense power vacuum that would, once again, be filled by extremeists and militant leaders. You have to stabilize the region, then leave it, which is what the US is currently doing, and doesn't happen over night.

And on a final note, the Middle has been fucked up well before the US got involved, the Muslim revolution, or when all the jews moved in. And with them there, it's one less spot to worry about.