how can we convince people Israel sucks?

I've taken part in a whole bunch of Zionism threads, and I've noticed that despite my mountains of evidence that modern Israel is a bloodthirsty, militant leech that offers nothing but pain, misery and debt to both America and her neighbors, people seem intent on defending her.  I've also noticed that very few minds are changed in these debates; i.e. people who support Israel continue to do so and people who don't support Israel continue not to.

What new tactics can be used to convince people that Israel, in it's modern Zionist form, is a scourge upon the land?

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So basicaly you feal totaly justified in using some old writing from over 2000 years ago to justified all the loss of jewish and palestnian life? No to mention all the new generations of children that have to grow up with hatred as the moral core of their lives.

Face it you where pushed out of your homeland long ago.... you didnt take it back way back then when it would have been relevent... no instead you wandered the earth and decided to take it back ONLY after you felt the need for unity after the holocaust. Only after tragedy struck did you Zionist feal the need for your homeland once more. After more than 10 centuries.... thinking what i wonder that you can just say this is mine after other people live there now and have established lives, but not just any people, NOOO you had to piss-off muslism who have had a history of zealotry whos intensity matches your own.

Time has seen to it that both palestinians and Zionist jews hate each other with such intensity, that with each death, with each fight both sides feal that they are vindicated in the evil acts they must perpetrate. Time will see to it that all traces of compassion and tolerance is not but dust and empty words for both of you.

All for some piece of paper.....