how can we convince people Israel sucks?

I've taken part in a whole bunch of Zionism threads, and I've noticed that despite my mountains of evidence that modern Israel is a bloodthirsty, militant leech that offers nothing but pain, misery and debt to both America and her neighbors, people seem intent on defending her.  I've also noticed that very few minds are changed in these debates; i.e. people who support Israel continue to do so and people who don't support Israel continue not to.

What new tactics can be used to convince people that Israel, in it's modern Zionist form, is a scourge upon the land?

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OP here... while i applaud your use of the old tactic of conflating criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews, unfortunately for you, that argument can't work because people are smart enough to see they are two seperate issues.  And as I'm sure you know, there are even JEWS who don't support Israel.

| "why the fuck cant we just live together."

because Israel instigated genocide, land theft, and degradation.  Israel has exhibited the lowest, most vile of human qualities.  Israel IS the reason people can't just live together.  You support for that country shows you to be not only racist, but willfully blind to the atrocities committed by them.