how can we convince people Israel sucks?

I've taken part in a whole bunch of Zionism threads, and I've noticed that despite my mountains of evidence that modern Israel is a bloodthirsty, militant leech that offers nothing but pain, misery and debt to both America and her neighbors, people seem intent on defending her.  I've also noticed that very few minds are changed in these debates; i.e. people who support Israel continue to do so and people who don't support Israel continue not to.

What new tactics can be used to convince people that Israel, in it's modern Zionist form, is a scourge upon the land?

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It has chosen over the decades to rely for security on power rather than persuasion. Fair enough; but it should rely on its own power, not power borrowed by political hook or crook from the United States. The U.S. has a very hard time of its own coming. We do not need to be encumbered by an "ally" who contributes nothing to our real security (or other) needs. And if Israel, feeling desperate, acts against Iran on its own? Who cares?--as long as the U.S. had nothing to do with it. We do not have to fight a wider war if, as we should, we choose not to. We can leave the war we have right now if, as we should, we choose to. The United States has this persistent delusion that somehow only it can keep the Middle East from exploding. In reality, all our efforts over the years have been one of the biggest reasons the region has been chaotic. Our interference has done nothing for the United States and everything for venal politicians looking for "threats" to make them look useful and for the oil companies who pay for their services.