Prostitution should be legal.

Prostitution could be regulated, taxed, and controlled better if it was to be legalized. The government could gain a substantial amount of money from taxing prostitution, help cut down on rape/violence involving prostitutes, and reduce the number of hookers with STDs. Usually, a prostitute's mistress's word is law to them, meaning all sorts of things. If the government ran whore houses instead of lowlife dominatrixes, then prostitutes (and their customers) would be much better off. Some mistresses force their girls to fuck customers raw, increasing the risk of getting an STD or even becoming pregnant, which can negatively affect many more people. There's nothing that can be done about this since it is a shady and illegal business right now.

Prostitution may not be pathetic, but at least we can try to profit off of it. Right?

Yeah I agree

>>1

O RLY???

prostitutes are disease bags

mmhmm. works in nevada.

The trouble is, if every 18-35 year old women can just open her legs for a living, what incentive is there for them to work? Also with the number of prositutes now legally available the price paid per session will decrease with supply, meaning current prostitutes who are on drugs and probably don't have the character to settle down in a normal life will have to compete with 18 year old coeds who charge $50. What about professional classy prostitutes and dancers that are a fully accepted part of our culture that replaced prostitution in a clean acceptable manner? Legalised prostitution may cause problems.

>>6

Trust me, whore is not the profession of choice when prostitution is legal. To even think so is retarded, sorry.

It's legal here, and I've yet to meet anyone who dreams of a professional career in prostitution. It's more that when they have no other options left (didn't finish school, come from a poor family if they have any left, possibly have a drug addiction to keep up with, and have no source of money whatsoever), they become prostitutes in order to stay alive, which is more of a problem than any of the things you mentioned.

>>6
like you said, supply and demand, its kinda like being a lawyer

I liking wii on the xbox 360. It very head fun. Why wont it come out? I dont know.

>>7
>>8
I suppose you are 100% correct. The free market will sort everything out and even more so since it can now be regulated in a lawful manner instead of being forced underground.

>>6
The trouble is, if every 18-35 year old women can just open her legs for a living, what incentive is there for them to work?
Then why are there not more of them? If getting paid to get laid is all it takes to lead the good life as a welfare queen, then what's to stop them?

Answer: Women nowadays are being conditioned to shun the profession. Temple prostitutes of antiquity might have been more respected than we often get to hear about now (one sect even had prostitute priestesses that were able to turn their profit into the world's first bank!), but nowadays "whore" is one of the worst things you can call a girl. And "whore" is what she'll be called if she gives it up too easily, even without charging money for it.

Oh, and that particular conditioning is not a new idea. You'll find it just about everywhere where the proverbial Man (c, tm whatever) sees women as nothing more than property. We may not want to admit it, but Western values include this little gem. All we've really done is soften it down a bit.

>>1
"Prostitution could be regulated, taxed, and controlled better if it was to be legalized."

I agree, but I'd be against the whole taxation thing.  Regulated, controlled, legalized, and all that, to maintain safety and such, I would all agree with though. 

"The government could gain a substantial amount of money from taxing prostitution,"

Why do we want the politicians to have more money? Seriously, all I've seen them do it is piss it away on pet projects, welfare, and wars of foreign aggression.  I agree with you mostly though as far as legalization and regulation goes. 

"help cut down on rape/violence involving prostitutes, and reduce the number of hookers with STDs."

Absolutely.  And this is a problem that is growing in scope.  Legalization combined with a few wise regulations would help stop it dead in its' tracks.

"Usually, a prostitute's mistress's word is law to them, meaning all sorts of things. If the government ran whore houses instead of lowlife dominatrixes, then prostitutes (and their customers) would be much better off. Some mistresses force their girls to fuck customers raw, increasing the risk of getting an STD or even becoming pregnant, which can negatively affect many more people. There's nothing that can be done about this since it is a shady and illegal business right now."

Just like drugs, forcing something like this into the black market leads to lots of shady dealings, corruption, crime, violence, and spread of other negative effects, such as disease in this case.  Legalization with a few wise regulations would, I agree, fix many of these problems.

>>5
Exactly.

>>6
"The trouble is, if every 18-35 year old women can just open her legs for a living, what incentive is there for them to work?"

If they are providing a product or service for someone that makes them happy, I have two questions: 

1.  What does it matter? (What is wrong with this?) They are making people happy.  They provide a service that makes people happy.  You could say that this is a waste of productive effort, but couldn't you say the same about many other economic activities such as video game producers? If you are willing to keep prostitution illegal because you see it as a waste of the talent or productive abilities of the individuals who engage in this activity, logic would then lead you to ban any number of other activities that are currently legal which could be seen as wasteful in the same ways - such as video game producing.  

Also, provided they (the prostitutes and their clients) did this  activity in a safe evironment to prevent the transmission of diseases and such, they would be contributing to the elimination of illicit/underground prostitution, and thus to slowing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases which will likely effect the rest of society eventually if they aren't stopped right away anyway.

2.  It is their body, their choice, and their life.  If they wish to pursue a career as a prostitute, it is not my nor anyone elses' rightful place to tell them they can't do this or to use force, violence and or coercion to prevent them from doing this. 

"Also with the number of prositutes now legally available the price paid per session will decrease with supply, meaning current prostitutes who are on drugs and probably don't have the character to settle down in a normal life will have to compete with 18 year old coeds who charge $50."

Which means that their services will then cost less to their clients, and result in happier consumers.  I see nothing wrong with this.  The 18 year olds, seeing as how they are legal adults with the right to their property (in this case their bodies), have the right to try and compete with the other prostitutes if they want.  To tell them they can't is a violation of their human rights.

I don't see what the big deal is here.  If two adults want to get together and have sex, that isn't illegal.  Why should it be illegal for two adults to get together and agree to have sex for money?

I think the bottom line is that we have a bunch of religious fascists or feminazis who simply won't tolerate it.  There is no really sensible opposition to prostitution legalization that I've seen yet.

Prostitution is something that will never leave society,
it will be there forever.
It is legal and is taxed in some countries like Holland, the only thing about it being legal is that people have choices in those places to go to better clean establishments.
rather than picking street hookers who are not in STD protected environment.

America needs to get rid of its retarded "morals" where people think that because something is immoral it should be illegal. Drugs are immoral, therefore they should be illegal! Prostitution is immoral, therefore it should be illegal!

Take a hint from prohibition (or plenty of other sources), you CANNOT govern morality. The only laws that should exist should be to stop people from causing other people physical or emotional pain without their consent. Theft, assault, murder, rape, etc.

>>16
So do you believe that immoral things should be legalised whether or not they cause other people physical or emotional pain without their consent? Or vice versa?

>>16

Take a peeping tom who likes to take upskirt shots of women in public. He keeps them in a private collection in his home, never selling them or whatever, just for his own private use. The women he takes pictures of never find out, never suspect a thing, and so never suffers from emotional or physical pain.

It's victimless.

Is this OK? Or is it wrong?

>>18
It's wrong, in fact it is depressingly lame and sick. Even upskirt panty shot porn sites do that kind of thing at night clubs where women expect to be looked at in a sexual manner and at least they aren't sitting by themselves getting turned on by something so... I don't think there is a word for it... Pathetic, depressing, dull, sad and obsessive... It's the kind of thing that gets a few lolz in /b/, but more at the OP himself rather than the act.

>>19

OK but then should it be made illegal or not...

>>20
I think the person who would do such a thing is probably sufferring enough already through self inflicted lameness.

>>6
18-year-old coeds aren't particularly good in bed.

Girls a little bit older, maybe 23/24, with a bit more experience are much more knowledgeable.

Anyway, consider that factor, and multiply it by about 5. This is probably the sexual power level of specially trained whores. Think about it. Power levels over 9000.


OVER NINE THOUSAND.

In some european countries (Denmark, Holland, Spain, GB) it IS legal...
But that just makes trafficing harder to fight - And I bloddy hope that you are against sex-slavery.
So legalising is not the one and only answer.

How do you know if a prostitute is being raped?

She loses that bored expression on her face.

Sometimes.

>>23
"In some european countries (Denmark, Holland, Spain, GB) it IS legal...
But that just makes trafficing harder to fight - And I bloddy hope that you are against sex-slavery.
So legalising is not the one and only answer."

What the fuck? 'Trafficing'? What the fuck are you talking about?

Anyway, yes, legalizing *IS* the answer.  It works good in Nevada.

>>26 is the naive one, who thinks things like slavery is gone from society.  Do some research before you start flailing about and throwing that "What the fuck?" around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafficing_in_human_beings

>>27
"is the naive one, who thinks things like slavery is gone from society.  Do some research before you start flailing about and throwing that "What the fuck?" around."

Wow, you are a fucking idiot.  I threw 'wtf' around because I don't know why the fuck you would bring this up.  Legalizing prostitution so that it would be done openly and in the legal market rather than the black market would essentially destroy the market for 'trafficing' that you were bitching about.  Anyone who had something other than a pool of jizz for a brain would realize this.

So yeah, how about you use some logic before you get on your moral high horse and start bitching about my supposed lack of research? Fucking retard.

>>17
"So do you believe that immoral things should be legalised whether or not they cause other people physical or emotional pain without their consent? Or vice versa?"

No, if they cause others pain then it should be made illegal, that's what I said. It doesn't matter if the act in question is moral or immoral, if it hurts others than it should be illegal.

>>18
"Take a peeping tom who likes to take upskirt shots of women in public. He keeps them in a private collection in his home, never selling them or whatever, just for his own private use. The women he takes pictures of never find out, never suspect a thing, and so never suffers from emotional or physical pain.

It's victimless.

Is this OK? Or is it wrong?"

No, it is not OK. Yes it is wrong. Should it be illegal? Yes, because it invades others privacy. I suppose you could consider that an exception. I was making a general statement, naturally in a giant field of law there will be a few exceptions to the rule.

>>29
""Is this OK? Or is it wrong?"

No, it is not OK. Yes it is wrong. Should it be illegal? Yes, because it invades others privacy. I suppose you could consider that an exception. I was making a general statement, naturally in a giant field of law there will be a few exceptions to the rule."

Why is it wrong? What is 'wrong' about it? If the girl wants privacy, she can cover up. 

>>28
It seems you made the incorrect assumption that >>23 and >>27 are the same poster, clearly they aren't.

On a practical cultural standpoint, prostitution reduces birthrates and random sexual acts of violence.  Why would a man make the effort to pursue a relationship for the sex, or failing that, take out his sexual frustrations (i.e. date rape) when there is an easier alternative?  People are lazy (myself included).

From the another way of looking at it, it undermines the family unit in a society.

>>30

That sounds dumb, blaming the victim for the crime.

>>29

Still, you don't address the bigger question. This sounds like a law regarding morality, so if it we should and have a duty to govern morality. Really, morality is all the law deals with. Why is hurting someone else wrong? That itself is a morality question. Your criteria is really just your own form of morality, but obviously its not all there is to figure out what is wrong and what is right. You are right in one respect -- we should try and be as minimal as possible, and all laws should follow from one central idea.

>>31

How, exactly, does prostitution undermine the family? One looking for love specifically will build a family; one looking for just sex finds a prostitute. Those two mutually exclusive.

>>28
"Legalizing prostitution so that it would be done openly and in the legal market rather than the black market would essentially destroy the market for 'trafficing' that you were bitching about.  Anyone who had something other than a pool of jizz for a brain would realize this."
Prostitution is legal AFAIK in Holland. Lots of trafficking victims are trafficked there. The only difference is that trafficking is not illegal there, the problem still exist and is prolly enhanced by the increased market of legalization. But maybe you meant legalization under state control and regulation (but i suspect not). Do some research instead of posting random propaganda.

>>29
I know it's victimless. I just felt the need to point out how depressingly lame it is.

>>28 - Don't you get it? You don't remove the black marked by making it legal - there are always a mafia/crime gang who will take 95% of the girls income and tell her that the police will beat her and they will beat her and that they'll beat her familiy back home.
Because it's a large "industry", it's big bisness.
So just look at what >>33 says - and know that in DK there are (estemated) 1.000-1.500 girls who are forced to work in brothells.

I'm fore legal prostitution, but against trafficing

>>33
"Prostitution is legal AFAIK in Holland. Lots of trafficking victims are trafficked there. The only difference is that trafficking is not illegal there, the problem still exist and is prolly enhanced by the increased market of legalization. But maybe you meant legalization under state control and regulation (but i suspect not). Do some research instead of posting random propaganda."

I just looked it up, and according to the Coalition to prevent trafficking in women or whatever the fuck their name is, it is actually illegal to traffick women in holland. 

>>35
"Don't you get it? You don't remove the black marked by making it legal - there are always a mafia/crime gang who will take 95% of the girls income and tell her that the police will beat her and they will beat her and that they'll beat her familiy back home."

I can't see how making it legal in the open market wouldn't get rid of black market risks.  If it is legal and in the open market, must undergo inspections and such by the government (or maybe some 3rd party inspectors), I can't see how the problems you list would be widespread & persistent.

"I'm fore legal prostitution, but against trafficing"

Take a look at legal prostitution in Nevada.  Can you honestly say you wouldn't be happier with a system like that spread throughout the USA?

>>37
What are you talking about? Don't you like big women?

one thing the british govt is definatly looking at is redefining a brothel, so girls can work together out of appartments rather that fucking in the back of cars. this should reduce murders, rapes, and can help the girls steer clear of dominating pimps and madams.

it looks like its going to come in soon, especially after the muder of those 5 girls in ipswich.

Why should you pay to have sex?  If she isn't enjoying it too, then it makes no difference if you fapped instead.  If she is enjoying it as well, it's a complete ripoff - why should you have to pay for mutual sexual pleasure?

>>40


Because we will pay for it.

>>40 is a virgin

>>42
That's the first thing that went through my mind too.

guys fapping is just like sex you just have to learn to make your hands into the body of a woman.

>>42

Wrong

>>40
Good question.  I like Charlie Sheen's answer:  "I don't pay prostitutes for sex. I pay them to go away afterwards."

>>40
"Why should you pay to have sex?"

Because having sex with a real woman is more enjoyable than fapping.

"If she isn't enjoying it too, then it makes no difference if you fapped instead."

Yes it does.  Sex with a real woman >>>>> fapping.

>>40
There are a lot of people who pay for that kind of thing instead of dating and women who make the conscious decision to become sex workers. Real world etc..

There are 3 choices to respond to consented prostitution and only one of them is right.
1: Go totalitarian on everyone's ass.
2: Don't give prostitutes protection from the police.
3: Give prostitutes protection from the police for an average amount of tax like everyone else.

>>40
There are a thousand reasons.  Here are a few:

Because sometimes some guys get tired of having to please a woman.  When you pay a woman for sex, there's no obligation to please her.  You don't have to worry about whether or not she comes.

Because some fat old ugly guys get tired of their fat old ugly wives, and want to bang something young and slim once in a while.

Because some guys who get married and have kids start to associate their wives with all the mindset and chores of raising children.  Even if she's still hot, it's difficult to get it up for a woman when, looking at her, all you can think of is changing diapers, PTA meetings, flu shots, etc.

Because some guys just feel like it's wrong to fuck a woman who's raising his kids.  There's a quote from some movie: "That's the same mouth she kisses the children goodnight with!"

Because some guys get a sexual thrill from breaking the law.  BTW my theory is that, if prostitution is legalized, this group   will seek unregulated brothels.

Because some guys get married purely for economic and social reasons, to women they don't really like/love/find attractive.

Because some guys want to have a certain kind of sex that their wives/girlfriends don't like:  Bondage, costumes, roleplay, etc.

And the list goes on.  And on.

>>49
Retard, 3 people have already responded to >>40. Stop cramping their style.

>>50

Stop cramping my style, bitch.  I'll respond all I want.  Nobody's posted anything worthwhile since then, anyway.

Also, I see 5 responses to >>40 before mine.  Go learn to count up to ten before you call anyone a retard.

>>1
Psychologists, moral nazis, soccer-moms and anti-porn activists caught sexual liberation(back then it wasn't just gay rights, but rights of all sexually different people) movement off guard and so they lost. In the end sexual liberation was infiltrated by it's worst opposers and literally died.

>>52
Damn. This should have gone to CP thread at http://dis.4chan.org/read/newpol/1169088514/1-40

prostutuin should be legal man tht gov could make soo much dam money and maby fer once let some dam taxes off or make a college fund for he poor

how can you be for legal prostitution but against trafficking. Just curious

>>55

because there's a difference between women deciding to work as a professional whore(with laws for working conditions, work hours, tax payment and deduction, etc.), and some mexican woman who's told that either she fuck people for 5$ she's going to get sent back to africa, or some crackwhore that gives blowjobs to get her next fix.

yeah right, way to many conservative assholes in america.even if they did want it, they would tell everyone is was wrong and do it when there wasnt any cameras.