Get rid of /l/

lolicon = the devil. death to not4chan for it is illegal.

No one actually goes there, people just say they do to make you mad.

no.

loli is the greatest thing in the universe

pedo bear is a
gawd

>>4

i agree

Real lolicon like raping an 8 year old IS illegal and sick but not4chan doesn't have real lolicon it says so in the rules if CP is posted the authorities will be notified. And where does it say that the loli on not4chan is illegal?

it should be illegal. pedo should be banned goddamit.

>>8
You don't like it move to Canada.

canada for you people that can't tell the difference between cp and loli(victimless)

"pedo" should be illegal and "loli" should be legal. Don't know the difference? ask a jap ...

Any images depicting lolicon is illegal in the US and UK, (and probably other places)

There is no difference between real CP and drawn CP in that both encourages pedophilic thoughts and behaviour. Being a visual medium makes it worse because it is more easily accessable to children. Also, it's fucking sick you goddamn pedos.

>>11
In Japan, a lolicon is a pedophile.

>>13
They use lolicon jokefully?

>>14
no it really means a pedophile; lolicon is short for lolita complex.

"lolikon" and "pedophile" are not the same thing ... ask a jap

>>13
Yes because if its out of sight its out of mind. When are people going to realize there is always going to be the guys who want to fuck little girls and theres nothing you can do about it. Just let us have our lolicon images and we'll be happy. I never think after fapping to lolicon that I want to go rape a real girl. Know why? I just came and I can't come again for at least a few hours and also I am lazy. So leave us alone. lol. Also kill furries.

>>17
When you view lolicon, it makes sex with children look normal to you and that makes you more prone to have sex with children at an other time. Society wants to tell the guy who wants to fuck children that it not normal and discourage it through any means. Dissemination of lolicon could create pedos from latent pedos too, those people who have never viewed children as sex objects but suddenly do because they view lolicon.

>>16
they is the same thing in Japanese shut up or proof.

>>18
You are saying it's wrong to have sex with children. I take offense.

>>18
You have me confused with a weak minded person. However I understand your point. Some people who arn't able to control their actions might think that viewing lolicon makes it ok. However a large ammount you will find are harmless. At least I know I wouldn't ever rape a kid.

i think it would be better if loli was legal .
And if it was legal, i don't think everyone would become a pedo because IT'S NOT THE SAME THING .You can watch loli anime, look at 13 year old girl on the streets etc... and don't rape anyone ...Most of the guys who have the lolita complex are those who precisely want to protect children the most and are against child rapists ... And like someone has already said in another thread : It's normal to fantasize about having sex with children, but since it can have severes consequences for children, having sex with them is illegal. (and that's good ^^ ) But it's not weird or anything.

And there are lots of person who are "lolikon" : in anonymous forums like "world4ch", "2ch", we can see threads and lots of posts about "lolikon" "loli pictures" .

(exuse my english)

hey, when i was 20 i was with a 16 year old girl.  my good friend was also 20 when he first got with his 15 year old girlfriend.  with that in mind let me ask you this

is this loli?

>>22
okay according to the law it is legal to have sex with someone who is 4 or less years difference otherwise it is not legally considered consentual(both parties are equal when having sexual contact) though if thaqt person is under the age of 18 you do still need prior parental permission to have sexual contact. i recommend you get writen permission incase they change thier minds afterwords.

on to another fact about this stuff, the law states that it is illegal to make, have, or distribute pictures of real children. it does not state anything about drawn pictures. the reason behind this is that the pictures of real children have victims in it and drawings do not. i will state that i believe that drawn lolikon should stay legal for many reasons. i will say that i have sexually assaulted a child in my life time, i do regret doing it to a great deal, and have already done the time and everything for it i went to therapy on probation and did jail. i turned myself in. and for those who think that the victim said something first.... no i did. i personally find that viewing lolikon drawings is a way for me to redirect my sexual desires. and i to this day have never thought of molesting assaulting or viewing any real children at all because of lolikon. it is for me and for many fellow child molesters, we find it a good way to stay cleaner than what we used to do. so in conclusion lolikon is a child rape and child porn preventer. and that is why i believe that what many of the states trying to make lolikon illegal is a really bad idea. becuase those who like lolikon will have no way to direct their sexual desires, and therefor will go out and either molest a child or go and find some child pornography, which in turn creates more victims instead of keeping the children a little safer from pedophiles such as myself.

hate the crime, not the fetish.

sage for fetish haters

exactly what i am talking about you can hate me for the crime i did i will understand that but don't hate the people who have the fetish and never commit a crime

I offer a conceding opinion for the case of loli

Summary of opinion:  Loli isn't the issue I argue for.  I argue for possible implications of abuse of power that may lead from the precedents set by prosecuting people who consume loli.

In summary of both sides:

Against loli (loli as defined as pornography involving the implicit or blatant depiction of exceedingly (the definition of exceedingly up for debate) youthful individual(s)):  Depiction, whether realistic or symbolic of individuals of exceedingly youthful appearance or age promotes criminal (Criminal as defined as an act, either blatant, implied, or otherwise symbolic against legally enacted legislation currently implemented, including legally enacted legislation not currently implemented) behavior.

For loli position 1:  Loli is not criminal, as defined above.
For loli position 2:  Access to loli inhibits criminal behavior


Arguing opinion against "Against loli" position :  It can easily be argued that loli is criminal, as set by federal judicial precedent.  It is also easily evident that loli is socially unacceptable to important Western powers (important Western powers as defined as the United States and allies of said nation that openly support its position on loli).  The argument on whether or not it's wrong can be debated.  What my opinion of what's wrong, however, has nothing to do with pornography.  I believe that enacting action against those who are predisposed to a certain thought is wrong.  It can be right in cases where a blatant act is proven beyond a reasonable doubt (As defined as being greater than 90% supportive of said case) where individual(s) poses a threat.  This cannot be proven in the case of all individuals who are predisposed to approving of loli and/or consuming it (Which shall called lolikon), but this is beside my point.  My point is that by supporting the restriction of loli and prosecuting lolikon opens the door to further and further prosecutions, reaching broader and broader spectrums of individuals.  After the lolikon, a fringe group, other fringe groups may be prosecuted.  Furries, gays, and metrosexuals may be next.  After that, those with far-reaching political extremism will be taken.  Then less and less extremist groups will be prosecuted until everyone has the same way of thinking.  Evidence for this argument is offered by examination of the history of the counterculture movement of the 1960s.  In the 1960s the Cold War broke out.  During this time, The US and Russia engaged in an arms race to try to intimidate and outproduce each other.  Massive resources were required, and the support of the people was needed.  The government of both sides implemented varying degrees of propaganda dissemination and oppression of opposition to try to control the political winds.  From this rose a powerful opposition movement in the US:  the countercultural movement.  This movement supported free speech, civil rights, and the advocation of the poor.  These things, however, were considered somewhat dangerous by the US is left unchecked.  Needless to say, the countercultural movement was in need of checking, and withstood a barrage of constant government propaganda, disinformation attacks, and the fanaticism of the public at the time against all who stood against the official line.  The main players in the counterculture movement were college age students and a great deal of artists.  These intellectuals eventually won over the accusations of the government, which claimed that they were "Communist" in their support of free speech and "Soviet Sympathyzers" by trying to speak for civil liberties.  This lead to sweeping legislation that gave way to civil rights for many minorities and women.  Time has passed since then, however.  Views have changed.  We have lost some ground in civil liberties.  Society has become excessively litigous, distrust of other people has become the norm, and we have become isolated.  We shelter ourselves from truth by reading quick one-line rebuttals and hear and see things the way we want to without having to think.  The old ways of thinking may not be blatant any longer, but are evident in certain facts, like how there are no longer any female lead singers in rock bands anymore.  Or the fact that wages have not increased significantly in comparison to inflation.  It's my opinion that we are heading down a path, albeit slowly that will end like George Orwell's 1984.  I pray that I'm wrong, but if I'm not, than I won't stand idly by while we take another step, no matter how small towards that end.

>>23-24

Yeah ! i've finally found people who think like me.
Now, what we have to do is to make people understand that "pedos" and "lolikons" are differents.

>>23

You WERE a pedo but now you're not, now you're a lolikon and it's good. ^^

I AM a lolikon but i would NEVER touch or rape a child and i hate pedos ! But 23, you seem to regret, i think you're in a good direction. so i don't hate you ^^

>>23
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I am a lolikon and I would have sex with a pretty child.

>>27

you're a good guy . If there was more people like you in the world everything would be better.

>>29

you're not a lolikon you faggot!
you're just a fuckin' pedo

>>30
you are a fucking pedo. kill yourself now.

Ok what the fuck is this shit?????????????? Ok yea it is a bit on the sick side of things, but its art. Its ment to shock and offend, but at the same time if ur at an art gallery and see nudes of little children, who do u think most of that was painted with live moddles. Ok so if ur all aginst this shit dont go to a fucking musieum and say ahhh little nekie cupid thet was a little nakie child that an artist had painted. Weather good or bad art is art so if u do like ok and if u hate dont fucking look. 

>>32
Kill yourself. Kill yourself NOW!

The argument that viewing loli makes you likely to go out and exploit a child is bullshit.. just as the similar argument of playing violent video games will make you likely to go out and murder people. Conveniently, people who commit crimes will try and fall back on these arguments to avoid responsibility, which is equally bullshit.

Take Columbine for instance, the Christians and Media made the obvious connection to the kids playing Doom and shooting up their classmates, and ran away with it from there. Let's not forget that plenty of people prior played Doom without much incident, but of course it is the GAME'S fault, not the trigger-pullers themselves.

Back to loli, it doesn't manufacture pedophiles - this is just a way to get everyone's panties in a twist because nobody is going to try and defend the actions of pedophiles. Yet, loli isn't exploiting children, so there's nothing to bitch about.

>>34

+1

>>33-31

fuck you

>>34

If the day comes when someone has to defend pedophiles I'll be there either helping of giving support of some kind. We're not going to be here on the internet arguing it forever. Just like canada its going to come up in the U.S.

>>34
Smells like Denial

Wow this thread is made of fail and untruths and n00bs

Smells like SHIT

wow this thread is made of YOU being a n00b, you cuntcockbitchface :x

>>34
Yep, and that's why violent movies, pornography, video games and fictional rape should be illegal

/l/ is technically illegal, but there are 2 laws that state 2 entirely different truths.  One says that is is illegal, one says that it is not.  the 4chan party van can't do anything about /l/ because you are protected by the governments contradiction.  if you don't like /l/, just don't go there.  it does require going to an entirely different site after all.

two word 'Bull Shit!"

Lolicon can be mistaking for midgets with flat or perky tits.....HEHEHEHHEHEH

They are all 18 or over.  You cannot prove otherwise.

>>46

canada is on its way (or was until steven harper came in) to fully legalize gay marriage and marijuana. what they forgot was ... to legalize loli.
nevar forget.

shut up

>>26
I agree, although I can see where certain fetishes (like loli) can make people uncomfortable, and thus would want them off their favorite website.
The isolation we create is, in my opinion, a sort by-product of our increased capacity to communicate. The internet, cell phones, etc. make it easier to interact with some text than a person, face to face. I get bothered by people who claim not to be able to live without their cell phones. A decade ago they were toys for rich people, now it's a major concern whether we let our 7 year olds have one.
Our jobs run our lives because we as a society made sure you can't take a shit without paying someone something. People who have more money than you can ever dream of would love to sue for having an idea similiar to theirs.
I think corporations will cause something more like "Blade-runner" than 1984, but that's just me.

what the hell are you people talking about

theres no /l/ on 4chan

>>52
see
>>1

look-the arguement here is whether drawn CP is legal or not, right?  Then I raise this question: CP is against the law because it harms children, but how can a drawn picture be harmed?

>>1-1000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Suicide is the answer.

>>54
It doesn't harm the children if they like it.

OP is a witch who raped baby Satan. Ban him and burn him.

>>20
You have touched on the bigger issue here:  If a person is unable to control their actions, this makes them very dangerous.  It means that its not just about a person abusing a child, but could cause rape or violence against anyone.

lets face facts
/l/ will never be removed unless moot gets threatened by the FBI or some shit
this is a good thing.

It it amazing the number of doctors of pyschology and telepaths and loli haters we have here. And supposed lawyers too for that matter.
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One thing I have noticed is that throughout the modern history of mankind and governments in the last 100 years or so, the more the "majority" of people or governments have tried to ban or supress something because it did not want to understand it or wanted to exert its total control over, the more invasive, evasive and prevelant and exploited that thing has become.
Take alcohol for instance. The United States enacted a prohibition against all forms of alcohol as a "safety and health" measure for its citizens. But the harder that the US fought to supress or stop people from enjoying a drink or two, the more people found ways to subvert or import thier favored drink of choice from either bootleggers, moonshiners or international brewers and wineries. (The US never did win on that front).
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Take the drug trade. Rather than trying to understand what it is that leads people to want to try or use drugs in the first place and educate the people about it, a lot of countries only saw the after-effects of drugs and have therefore tried to halt its sale and production with stiff penalties and jail sentences; to little avail. The only thing that has happened is that drug manufacturers went underground and started to refine thier trade, thier product, and the ways in which it circumvents countries from stopping it. And notably though most countries like to purport major seizures and drug bust; crippling the drug trade in various localities they say, all they've really done is driven up the price of the product and made it look more economically profitable to those who would of otherwise not of dabled in the trade in the first place. Can anyone say Crystal Meth? The current favored drug of choice?
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Now we have the topic of lolicon on the internet. We have lots of people on both sides of the fence as well as quite a few sitting on the middle of it debating its positives and negatives as it pertains to the effects it has on the human being and society at large. Who's more right? That's not for just me or just you to decide. We are all allowed to have and voice our opinions on it, but thats all. I've noticed that people love to throw bits and chunks of case law in thier arguments that pertain to thier angle on the issue but almost no one really wants to study or understand the human condition towards the imagery of drawn lolicon; just supress or deny it as a whole (as if thats all it will take to make it go away. Its like closing your eyes to the tornado thats bearing down on you. Just because you want to deny that its there and coming at you doesn't mean it just up and disappear on you.)
I've also noticed that a lot of you love lumping the naturist and nudist condition in with those you call pedophiles. And being a nudist myself, I'd just like to make clear that the photography, possesion and drawn imagery of nude children does NOT make one a pedophile. The only way pedophilia starts to come into play is if the said imagery (real, imagined or drawn) has the "children" involved in sexually implicit and explicit positions; Purposful open displays of sexuality that is meant to draw the viewer ,subjectively or objectively, into first looking at the genitilia of the subject (oral/manual/sexual stimulation of the genetilia). Real images of this type of Child Porn is illegal in most countries of the world. Drawn imagery how-ever is still a contested topic for debate on a country to country basis. Some view it as artisism and not CP as not actual live or dead individuals are involved where as others like to lump it in with a larger brush as being CP and therefore illegal not matter if real individuals were involved or not. As I said, its a topic for debate. 
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But all this is just one persons view point. Take issue with it if you like. Its your right. But remember that I'll view your comments in the same light as I post mine in.

Give back not4chan, and everything will go back to silence and peace

>>37

Haha. Thanks for the laugh.

>>18

Pedophilia is illegal and considered quite a nasty perversion, and rightly so. Most lolicon, however, deals with girls who are in the early stages of puberty. This is technically Ephebophilia. From a biological perspective, as soon as a girl is fertile she's fair game. Girls become fertile very, very early in the stages of puberty (it differs, but it's a general rule). Age restrictions on relationships were generally put into place not because it's "wrong" or "evil" to get a girl pregnant at any early age would be counterproductive, as she wouldn't be physically or mentally prepared to look after a child. Indeed, not so long ago, when life expectancy was much lower than it was now, the aim was to have children as early as possible. It wasn't uncommon for people to have children as early as their late teens.

Also, attraction to pubescent girls is normal: it's a biological function that people have very little control over. Acting on this is usually a bad thing, at least in our society.

But I guess most people think girls gain tits overnight the second they reach 21 and have a fully-functional knowledge of sex and its implications at the same time. It's delivered by the sex-fairy who comes in the middle of the night and doesn't even call back.

Idiot.

I blame reading The Bluest Eye when I was in high school. That fucked up my head.

>>26
I'd like to make a comment on how the best arguments always fall on deaf ears, but GEEZE. Use some PARAGRAPHS. Not everyone enjoys reading a brick.

give us not4chan back!

>>12
In US it's legal unless you can provide us proof that it's illegal.

>>63
LOLOLOLO! Pedophilia is legal. Fucking children or downloading real child porn isn't. Did you know that most males who work with children are pedophiles? Enjoy that fact when you have kids.

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO NOT4CHAN?!?!!?

how about i simplify.

CP and lolikon ARE DIFFERENT.
lolikon'ers and pedophiles ARE DIFFERENT.

lolikon distracts a lot of people from the real kids and keeps some people from becoming child abusers(molesting kids)

PEDOPHILES  = have sex or forced sex with children
PEDOPHILES  = damage kids for life witch makes more pedo's.

LOLIKON'ers = look at pic's drawn by other loli fans.
LOLIKON'ers = never hurt anyone with there loli's.

lolikon IS LEGAL IN AMERICA.

GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
 
IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS YOUR A RETARD.

those of you who say that lolikon is sick and wrong, need to realize that your morality is a load of shit that you have made up to try to seem like your better than everyone else. when you are the lowest scum life has to offer. all you can do is attack other peoples fetishes and preferences, because you are afraid to admit that you mite like what your seeing. and you think your imaginary god mite get mad at you. when all your really doing is wasting your life and our time.
so in short why don't you all GO KILL YOUR SELVES and make life easier for the rest of us. IGNORANT PEACES OF SHIT!!

>>70
Pedophiles = fap and dream, lolicon and legal child erotica allows them to keep it legal
Pedophile nutcases with no self-control = fuck kids

Simple.

It's not so simple though.  Even with the porn, having to go your entire life celibate is just too much to ask.  Look at Catholic priests, celibacy has a very spotty record, and the alternative(actually having sex with children)  Like Dennis Miller said, the safest, best way to deal with the problem of being a pedophile is to remove your self from society, completely, if that means suicide, so be it.

Any idea when Not4chan is going to go back up?

>>72
Most pedos aren't just attracted to Children and are infact married.

bah there are others imageboards beside not4chan, like http://rori.crimsondays.com/ for example :o

>>70 IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS YOUR A RETARD.
Like 71 said, there's a difference between a pedophile (someone who is attracted to prepubecent persons), and a rapist (someone who can't/doesn't control themselves regarding hot-dicking charity work).
The media puts them in the same boat because it sells. Everyone who bases their views entirely on media input is probably closer to be retarded than a person against lolicon due to personal issues and experiances.

>>71
I think lolicon/shotacon are just gender specific versions of the english term pedophile. In Japan, it doesn't matter if the person is real of fabricated- you can still be labeled as such.
None the less, I still think there's a fundemental difference between drawn loli/shota and actual CP; because you can find one attractive, and yet the other not so. I think even US law rules accordingly. An image has to resemble an actual photograph only so much for it to be classified as genuine CP.

well we still have koChan and 420chan, but not4chan was/is the most known, it must come back

If lolicon was made illegal, I would seriously think that the crime rates of CP will increase, as men will have to look for real mediums to satisfy their needs. So leave those loli alone.

Why not ban smoking too? I mean, it kills right? Why are companies still making them? Any arguement for that?

Art is art, real is real. Stop blaming art for causing real CP, it's like sueing all fighting gaming industry for making ppl violent.

Nice board

>>56
Wrong. Being raped (even if they said yes, sex with someone underage is rape) as a child almost always leaves irreversible damage, even if they liked it. Also, if they liked it they might think it's ok to do it to someone else, and odds are that they won't like it.

Off Topic-ish:

Can anyone say why not4chan is down/gone? I've heard some guesses but I was wondering if anyone actually knows what's up.

>>81

I haven't heard much... But the Not4chan section in the Wikipedia article for 4chan says that it has "been taken down." It could just be someone who has assumed that the website is permanently dead, or it could be true. It's been a couple days now...

Mmm. Shota.

i wish somebody who knew what the fuck they were talking about (staff, mod, whatever) would just come down from the sky and be like "NOT4CHAN IS DEAD/NOTDEAD (statement will change accordingly.)"

>>83
Go ask Saber directly if you dare. He's on Rizon.

hi,

as far as i know, pedophile s beeing translated as "loves kids".

however, pedophiles didnt choose to become pedophiles and they cannot change it.
In the most cases its just a fact wich cannot be changed, just like homosexual people wont become hetero just because you "forbid" it.

Its just like forbidding to have blond hairs - sure you can colorize or cut it down but it will stay blond.

So pedophiles are pedophiles (they cant change it)
child molesters are child molesters (they are criminals)

please dont make a pedophile a child molester.

and also, please dont make drawn art (wether you like it or not) same as CP.

>>84
he might bite me.

somebody else do it ;_;

put not4chan back, cause its not illegal

>>86
Come on, he can use the dark side of the force and choke you to death, but he's a nice guy so he won't do it...........Me? I'll never touch Rizon again...........

LOLICON BURNS TO ASHES IN CONGRESS
Tomorrow July 27 2006 President Bush will sign the new 2257-Related Bill called HR 4472, in simple terms this bill now includes all visual depictions of simulated sexually explicit conduct.
What does that mean for Animation and artists and websites?

1: Lolicon now is official Illegal in the USA and punishable same as real child porn.
2: All artists are required to provide their personal information for record keeping.
3: all websites have to comply with 2257 record keeping regulations.
There is a lot more legal detail to this but this is pretty much the basic of it, HR 4472 does cover no all forms of sexually explicit conduct including art animation, even a stick figure would be required to comply with this law.
so for now we are do NOT have an ETA on the return of the Free section as providing access to minors to sexually explicit conduct without the correct website labeling is also a breach of the new 2257 law.
I am pretty sure there will lots of post again of all the people that always know everything better when it comes down to what is law, just keep this in mind, yes you can sale drugs till you get caught, same here yes you can have a free site that does not comply with any of the 2257 regulations, you can even have lolicon, but guess when you get caught I hope you have a lot of cash for very very good legal counseling as these charges are 5 years per incident, 1 incident= 1 image.
and no it does not matter where the image is hosted! if oyu live in the us you are braking a us law.
As a corporation we will always try to comply as best as we can with any us law as we do Live in the usa and need to protect our and our families personal freedom before anything else, I hope you can understand our point of view on this issue, this is not a choice made but something that was forced on us.

Also if you think this is bad check this out, the us congress is about to take the internet away from you all:
http://www.savetheinternet.com/
Very sad that we are ruled by a bunch of ignorant morons.

Regards
The Rowan & Hentchiu

taken from
http://www.metachan.net/shibuyabashi/showthread.php?p=1713#post1713

>>89
KNOCK KNOCK DING DONG, READ THE BILL

"Title VI: Child Pornography Prevention - (Sec. 603) Amends the federal criminal code to imposes new recordkeeping requirements for individuals who produce simulated sexually explicit materials and distribute such materials in interstate commerce."

that is all it says

The bill _does_ include new record keeping requirements, but since when do they apply to free internet sites? I believe it only applies to "interstate commerce", however, I can see why this would cause panic, as the US government tends to widely interpret things for their own purposes. Fuck... how many months will it be this time until the unconstitutionality of parts this law are called out? Maybe years? I'm growing tired of living here.

How's loli legality in Canada these days?

>>91
Illegal if you check the wiki, but people act like "is not a crime  if you don't get caught"...............

>>13
>There is no difference between real CP and drawn CP in that both encourages pedophilic thoughts and behaviour. Being a visual medium makes it worse because it is more easily accessable to children. Also, it's fucking sick you goddamn pedos.

Wow, and you know this why? IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE A GODDAMN PAEDOPHILE?

>>16
>"lolikon" and "pedophile" are not the same thing ... ask a jap

They are the same thing, in Japan anyway. Ask a jap. One is just more offensive than the other. In America calling someone a paedophile ain't much, but calling someone a child molestor seems like a more offensive way of depicting them, hmm?

>>18
>When you view lolicon, it makes sex with children look normal to you and that makes you more prone to have sex with children at an other time. Society wants to tell the guy who wants to fuck children that it not normal and discourage it through any means. Dissemination of lolicon could create pedos from latent pedos too, those people who have never viewed children as sex objects but suddenly do because they view lolicon.

Children's eyes are as huge as 3/4s of their head. Yep. Also sex with 16 year olds equates to sex with children because the word teen has no consequence to holier-than-thou people. Again, one should note that this person speaks as if it affects him in such a manner. Society wants to tell people that having sex with 12-year-old girls is not normal even though thats whats been happening over the past 4 centuries because of something called puberty. How about promoting abstinence altogether instead of demoting something that is completely natural such as sex with lolitas? Japan simply has the wrong perception of lolita.

>>20
The same could be said about all drug/smoking addicts. "I can quit at anytime, man. I'VE GOT WILLPOWER AND SELF CONTROL"
lol what?

>>21
Of course one should note that introducing them to the dirty real world after someone has been living a world of dreams(like disney lol) usually causes trauma to anyone at all. Take a king living a lavish life. Turn him into a pauper. He's not gonna beg because of his pride, but will probably cry himself to sleep every night missing his wealth.

>>23
One should also note that rape-cases did decrease with the introduction of porn in America. COINCIDENCE? OR SOMETHING THAT IS PROVEN TO WORK?

>>24
LOL Ai Kora.

>>26
We shelter ourselves from truth by reading quick one-line rebuttals

NO U
>>29
Of course, this comes from you, not /l/

>>30
He is a lolikon, he is a paedophile, they are one and the same.
Its like watching porn. You watch porn of a girl being raped(its still just acting, guys. GET OVER IT).
You don't go around raping people because of it, do you?
I don't see anyone treating young girls like they do in Princess 69(oh man that series is hawt.). Can someone tell me why? (Hint: its not because they don't have such a chance. Its more like they don't feel the need.)
Regarding Japan: Its a country where perversion runs rampant. Thats right, perversion. As a result there is no need for sexual crimes because perversion helps relieve sexual tension. Japan's sexual(and sexual crime)-rates are extremely low. However its is acceptable to read ecchi manga in a train. This is perversion in action since no one will bother you over it. Wow, maturity instead of oppresion of freedom.

>>32
Its art, no doubt. Its less likely that its meant to shock or offend though. Its high time people viewed these things as art, and pornography as a whole as a form of entertainment. PEOPLE ALREADY VIEW GRISLY DEPICTIONS OF BRUTALITY AS ENTERTAINMENT. WHY NOT SOMETHING NATURAL SUCH AS THE ART OF REPRODUCTION?
To anyone who disagrees based on "but its NOT natural", who made you the goddamn authority to decide on whether or not its natural? Society?
Fuck that. You couldn't say "Pants" 100 years ago because it was offensive. THATS SOCIETY FOR YOU. A great bunch of fucking dipshit and hypocrites you are.

>>34
Well said. People like blaming others. "Oh shit which dipshit put that rock there? It caused me to fall". Whats funnier is that people like making a big fuss about small things. "Goddamnit this shirt is dry-clean only!"
Its just a shirt. Its not like I disfigured your face or something. Why not give go liberate a third world country from poverty instead of bitching for a shirt?
Oh, and it should also be noted that www.fuckthesouth.com presents interesting statistics revolving southerners and their habits of shooting their own kinsman. Of course they go to church a lot. Someone explain them. Did the church tell them to kill or something? BECAUSE THEY SURE AS HELL DON'T PLAY DOOM, DO THEY?

>>37
Everything smells like denial if you're gonna be holier-than-thou hypocrite. The police denies all acts of violence towards their suspects, when those suspects come in nice and healthy and they come out bruised. SMELLS LIKE DENIAL LOL.

>>41
Yep. Other stuff like tv, miseducation, etc should be made illegal too. Oh yeah, alcohol induces uncontrollable behaviour. Why not make it illegal?
While we're at it, why not make everything somewhat hazardous illegal? Those crops in the field that you've sprayed with hazardous chemicals? burn them. Lets all eat organic foods. those snacks that are fattening? illegal. Lets abolish certain animals that carry diseases too. Lets make living in the city illegal because of all the pollution going around.
Lets make a wall for all the people and protect them from their free will.
Alternatively we could promote proper education that educates people from everything but OH WAIT, even stuff like sexual education is hazardous to kids. OH NO! Knowledge is dangerous! OH NO.
Maturity is only overrated because theres so little of it, don't you think?

>>42
Well said. Its not 4chan, seriously.
Note: laws are dumb lol

>>44
This is why every 30 year old woman in Japan is loli lolololol

>>45
Whos all 18 and over? those drawings? hell no. Some of them were made just 3 months ago.
OH NOES UNDERAGED DRAWINGS.
Of course I could draw a picture of an 18-year-old baby. it'd be a hot chick wearing a sexy-looking diaper(not the hideous crap that actual babies use) and crawling around. HOT.

>>51
Your favourite website is not4chan? what

>The isolation we create is, in my opinion, a sort by-product of our increased capacity to communicate. The internet, cell phones, etc. make it easier to interact with some text than a person, face to face. I get bothered by people who claim not to be able to live without their cell phones. A decade ago they were toys for rich people, now it's a major concern whether we let our 7 year olds have one.
Our jobs run our lives because we as a society made sure you can't take a shit without paying someone something. People who have more money than you can ever dream of would love to sue for having an idea similiar to theirs.
I think corporations will cause something more like "Blade-runner" than 1984, but that's just me.

Heh, exactly. Of course theres a possibility that if you introduce(read: legalize) paedophilia the rates might decrease. Everyones onto amsterdam because they legalize prostitution and its like a sex-den to them, but the locals there don't feel the hype because its pretty normal, and since they don't feel the hype they simply don't bother with the prostitution there. Its just another job. Its a major concern that we let our kids have cell phones because theres always kidnappers who won't get a job or are desperate because of the lifestyle we created.
A society that made sure we can't take a shit without paying someone. Thats capitalism for you! Of course when you take a shit in a public restroom, who cleans up after you? Do you clean the bathroom? Who provides the water to flush the toilet? Who provides the toilet paper? Its all work, people simply demand something for their effort. Why? because thats their job. Why? because they need a job to pay for food and stuff.
Its a vicious cycle, amirite?
Its also a cycle that works, lol. Of course theres people who want the moon for dumping a piece of paper into a recycling bin.
But what can you do about it? abolish capitalism? Sure. Then we'd have people who worked for two hours a day and gained the same as one who works for 12 hours a day. Better to simply let an authority set rules, but OH WAIT, THAT INHIBITS FREEDOM.
Its a self-failing society, guys.

>>54
It harms the feeble minds of holier-than-thou hypocrits. Much like kids who live off disney learn that they are living in debt and have to slave their entire lives because their parents chose to take loans. But hey! Kids don't know whats good for them! Which is why kids don't have the authority to choose who takes custody of them when their parents get divorced, lol. So this begs the question: should we implement, or should we simply educate?
We have already implemented. We have not educated. Of course implementation was done based on views and opinions, not fact. Sadly education will be based off the same thing. Misinformation has always been rampant, throughout all of time. ENJOY LIVING A LIE, GUYS.
>>56
Not according to their parents and hypocrites, it doesn't
>>57
You're simply jealous because you wanted to rape baby satan aren't you?
>>58
Most of us can't control our actions. Some people find the need to eat uncontrollably. Some find the need to jerk off uncontrollably. Of course, hypocrites find their time to criticize this, yep. Newsflash: nobody's perfect.
>>60
One of the good posts in this thread. However one should note that paedophilia is simply a sexual obsession with children.Of course, this refers to real children, not drawn images or sculptures. Real and imagined images are acceptable, considering this is just the figment of the obsession from paedophilia.

Note that you can't say that anyone who has a picture of a child naked and/or being sexually assaulted makes you a paedophile. INDULGING in that picture in such a manner does, however make you a paedophile. I have a car, but I'm no car-freak. I have a poster of a band that I got for free. Doesn't make me a fan of that band. I have a naked picture of a girl which I obtained from /s/ , from 4chan, it doesn't mean that she's the girl I'll live for, etc.

>>63
Of course, long, long ago people lived up to 900+ years LIKE METHUSELAH DID. Note that people still die in their twenties, early thirties, and even in their late teens today. Yes, girls who have achieved puberty is fair game no matter what people think, because its biologically proven. The choice however, should be given to such people if they choose to abstain until a later time or to indulge in sexual activities/marriage at that age. One should note that back in the day people in their teens worked for their living and now(in certain countries) its not allowed as its child-labour. So in other words the restrictions of age could just be another form of protection to protect idiots from producing offspring that they can't manage and forming more welfare-requiring situations.
Overall welfare should be made like a loan. People should fucking pay back.
>
But I guess most people think girls gain tits overnight the second they reach 21 and have a fully-functional knowledge of sex and its implications at the same time. It's delivered by the sex-fairy who comes in the middle of the night and doesn't even call back.

We have biology class for that. Sadly idiots will be idiots and they never learn. Oh yeah, and desire > reason most of the time anyway, so there goes that point.

>>65
they do, the best arguments ALWAYS fall on deaf ears.

>>67
O RLY? Is that why murder in a war is legal unlike murder made in any place in the states? They're both done intentionally.
>The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.
So what is such justification? Society's views? The Law? What is the excuse? Because theres terrorists we should kill all the innocents as well?
While we're at it whos really innocent in the place, and who are the real terrorists?

>>68
Correct. Liking ice-cream is not the same as eating it.
However, what is a child?
Someone below 12? Someone from 5-18? or 5-21? what?

>>70
They different and yet the same.
In Japan they're the same
In other places they should not be the same as "lolita" generally depicts someone who is fresh off puberty. but then again, lol Japan.
oh yeah, lolikon is what people say towards paedophiles in Japan.
they call someone a lolita complex. They don't say that "someone has a lolita complex."
Lol Japan
>lolikon distracts a lot of people from the real kids and keeps some people from becoming child abusers(molesting kids)

Correct, much like porn keeps you from raping women.
>PEDOPHILES  = have sex or forced sex with children
>PEDOPHILES  = damage kids for life witch makes more pedo's

Not necessarily.
>>71
Yep.

>>72
One would think that porn makes it harder to remain celibate. Complete abstinence of such thoughts make it easy. However the media ruins that. Restrain yourself to something, like books and you'll find yourself able to be celibate. However, if you're a guy theres a chance that you will turn somewhat violent(all that testosterone has to go somewhere) and if you're a girl, somewhat cold/snappy/unpredictable(because theres less contentment to keep you in check)and this will be an obsession that will usually get the better of you.

>>74
That just goes against them being pedos. Maybe you should've said "Most paedophiles aren't attracted to the majority of children and are infact married" Makes more sense, don't you think? Especially when you factor in the fact that they're called paedophiles because of their sexual inclination towards children.

>>76
The media is dumb that way, lol. They do however know what sells. Learning life's lessons given by those who are dumb at life makes you dumber, don't you think?
In a sense, lolikon and shotakon are merely gender specific words. However paedophilia refers to children, and lolita complex refers to underaged girls in general. Its more commonly accepted that these "underaged girls" refer to teens, not children.
Shotakon however is a japanese word and as such one should refer to what is meant by the Japanese when it is mentioned.

>>78
Right.
Its because people need to fuel their lust for being "holier-than-thou". If all is good where would these people get their kicks?

>>80
>Wrong. Being raped (even if they said yes, sex with someone underage is rape) as a child almost always leaves irreversible damage, even if they liked it.

Its only rape even if they say yes because you're a hypocrite. Its only rape if its not consentual. Stop acting like your own views(along with society's views) are fact.

>Also, if they liked it they might think it's ok to do it to someone else, and odds are that they won't like it.

That is their choice to make, not yours. Protecting the "children" is not a bad idea, however reducing their freedom DOES go against your own beliefs that the people should have freedom. HYPOCRISY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD AGAIN.
People, LEARNING THINGS THE HARD WAY isn't something bad. Oh, and one more thing, if they liked it they might actually develop an infatuation with the person who first did it with them as by then they would not have been fully matured(according to psychology, whee) as their psychological capabilities haven't been fully develop. So they're less likely to do it with others.

>>84
If you dare? Oh man, Saber's cool. HE'S JUST NEVER AROUND.

>>85
True, you can't change facts. You can however perceive them in a way thats convenient to you. Whee foolishness!

>>89
LOL FREEDOM

>>90
Interstate commerce?
>Interstate commerce, or commerce among the several states, is the free exchange of commodities between citizens of different states across state lines.
So all we have to do is charge them for a crate filled with loli-hentai, right?

>>91
great government we have there, guys. OH WAIT, WE VOTED FOR IT.
WE'RE LIVING IN A COUNTRY FILLED WITH FUCKWITS.
YAY
I suggest genocide.

>>92
Who DOESN'T act that way? Thats why people commit crimes in the first place, don't you think?

Notes: mmmm loli
Its awesome
Its sweet
Its nice and fun~
But I prefer women, guys.
They're much more fun to talk to.

>>93
Alternative tl;dr version

/l/ doesn't hurt anyone, in fact it prevents hurt. No point getting rid of it.

Instead, get rid of the stupidity. Humans are dirty, embrace your filth to learn from it and get rid of the filth.
Apply this approach everywhere. Learn from things and put the knowledge to good use.
Enjoy

>>94

At least be consistent - you're telling us to get down from the trees, but at the same time wallow in our own shit.  GTFO

>>95
NO U
I'm actually saying that one should not be afraid to embrace something they don't understand.
The filth associated by humans is one example.
You don't understand why someone did something illegal.
You don't bother to understand, simply pass judgment or assume that shit is going on.
Its this mentality thats meant by filth. Raping babies(ITS AWWWWWWWWWWWWWRIGHT!), etc.
This is truly a display of pure human filth.
Which is why we have science, it is based on LOGIC.
The whole idea of science is to understand. To understand, one has to experiment.
It is this experimentation that is meant by embracing the filth. With this experimentation we hypothesize and either prove ourselves right or wrong with our assumptions. The same experiment is retried a multitude of times again and again. This is done so that we can be sure that what we're experimented upon is either accurate or just a fluke.

tl;dr version:
>>95, should just go wallow in his/her own shit.
secondary tl;dr version:
If you're too lazy to read anything at least have a mind capable of seeking deep into words to discover what is meant, to see whats hidden within the words of others WHO took their time to summarize.

KTHX

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>>90
Thus it means that loli is perfectly legal. You just have to keep records if you're making commercial drawn porn.

>>26
tl;dr

Those that are making the "moralistic laws are also supporting this kind of illegal activity.

Remember the new "Support the Criminals" Boycott on September 2nd. 

The leaders are claiming that "they are going to get what they (the illegals) want and deserve, and whole lot more".

IS THAT A DECLARATION OF WAR AMERICA?

my ass hurts only one butcheeck is on my chair preassure killing me

>>105

is me lol my ass still hurts STILL sitting same exact way

fuck

illegal XDDD LOL !! ROFL
zomg r draws! wake up! still dont born!!!
so if i draw a loli on my bedroom or a table ..
i go to jail!? HO NO!- btw not very illegal if they leave japan [ a country extreme on censored - no genitals on tv ] and reach US!

yep there is..

zomg r draws! wake up! still dont born!!!
so if i draw a loli on my bedroom or a table ..
i go to jail!? HO NO!-


plz dont be a fucking stupid you ppl.. dont mix personal problems whit a draw.. if you r a pedo.. you get horny whit a draw or a old lady or a soccer ball...


so all the ppl who decide draw a loli or see one ! is a pedo???????????? zomg NOPE...-

if you r a REAL PEDO? OF course it cant turn you on.. like can turn your on. .your own mom.. or your untie.. or your cousin..

WAKE FUCKING UP PPL! R DRAWSSSSSS THEY DONT BORN YET !!!

IF YOU R A PEDO LOLI DRAW OR NOT .. YOU R STILL A FUCKING PEDO
IF YOU R NOT A PEDO LOLI DRAW OR NOT.. YOU R NOT A PEDO

PEDOS DONT FUCKING NEED A DRAW TO GET HORNY- JUST FUCKING GO TO STREET OR A JUNIOR HIGH..

DONT FUCKING MIX - SICK FUCKS PERSONAL PROBLEMS- WHIT LOLIKON PLZ

if u guys look at lolicon you will end up like this guy, lolicon is not art it is a pedophile hobby, also no matter how you try to justify it, if you look at lolicon you like kids and you think children are hot

remember if you look at lolicon, you most likely look like this guy in real life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_Whorley

Spoilers: Loli isn't illegal, but if you get put in front of a jury, your fucked anyway.

>>109
...You're entirely incorrect. I don't understand where you got those ideas from (perhaps your own experiences?), but you should get a refund.

getting put in jail for some cartoons is just ridiculous.

as long as the images aren't real who gives a fuck what some pedo with a half-chewed-caramel of a face jacks off to.

that guy didn't go to jail because of lolicon.

he went to jail because he was a convicted sex offender on parole downloading REAL CP on a government computer at the Virginia Employment Commission. how stupid can you be. A GOVERNMENT COMPUTER. that's why he went to jail.

in amerikka, fake is real.
hence the fact that the average american thinks that he's free.

>>36

It already has ome up in the US.  Drawn = legal, pictures = illegal and you need to have your intestines ripped out and used to hang you after getting your balls cut off.

>>13
I love how you say that since it is a visual medium, that makes everyone want to go do it in real life.  Well, today I saw 247 people get murdered on TV within the span of 1.5 hours.  So far, I have not gone on a killing spree, nor do I feel like going on one.  Heck, I can play some video games where I have control over who lives and who dies. 

Just so everyone knows, I am not 'for' loli, nor do I have a lolita complex. I don't get enjoyment out of loli.  However I don't think it should be illegal.  Finding something repulsive personally doesn't mean it has to be illegal for everyone.

Ya'know...even if we are going to hell for this, all that will happen to us lusty bastards is being swept up into the winds and that is forever our fate.  To be honest, if that is our hells, it be cool for some of us insane enough to love this stuff.  All you sane people wouldn't understand so stay away from children before you spread your sanity.

And then people ask me why I plot the death of all mankind................also, antipedofucks are more annoying than pedofucks.......

all you sick mother fu.c.kers go to hell!!

>>118
NO U

Also, you fail for censorship.

Furthermore, you MEGAFAIL for bumping threads which have been dead since last August.

the internet has no rules.

>>119
"ID:Heaven"

WTF? Hax?

>>121
Umm, I'm pretty sure this calls for the uppercase version:

LURK MOAR!

>>119
>>122
Same person?

>>123
No. Anyone can get ID:Heaven. But I won't tell you how as it's way too much fun looking at all the clueless people here :)

Get rid of /y/

faggotry = the devil. death to faggotchan for it is incredibly gay.

>>12
Loli is not illegal in the US, only cp and pictures drawn with live models are illegal

>>126

Yeah, it's fine when they're already dead

Christians ITT

>>128
Get in the oven, Jew!

>>1-40
i lol'd

Way to bump a three year old thread.

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>>131
You didn't help at all...

You can see legaly a lot of peple being murdered in the news. But it´s ilegal if u see a cartoon im a comic of a 16 y o fictional gurl showing her tits. We are governed by moralfags.

tickle

Why do faggot's like OP always win?

>>137
Because YowCow and PayPal (and moot) is faggots.

OMG!! lolicon is legal!!! no matter the ages of the girl, if u think this'd be considered illegal, why don't you search guro, toddlercon, or even them mixed, loli guro...
comparing those genres with lolicon, i think lolicon'd be the "kodomo" genre...

hi guys am i late

about 7 years late.

Steam sent me here by some faget on my friends list.

Old thread is old.

ebin xDDDDDDDDD suber pyörä

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Allrighties then.

>>146
What the fuck are you doing here? Also 8 years have passed since this discussion started, we are still in the same place.

BEHEAD THOSE
WHO BULLY LOLI

This means you, OP

>>124
Please tell me how to get ID:Heaven

I love how old this thread is. The site has been gone for forever and we're still here talking about the same old shit.

>>150
nevar change 4chan

rip /l/
the good always die young.

Wow, what a bunch of faggots.

/i/ return 2k14

>>154
You're already here, unfortunately.