This board is fucking infested with mysoginist, racist, ableist neckbeards. You middle-class white male idiots (the idiot property is independent of the other properties, before you get your balls in a twist.)
I'm a middle-class able-bodied white male too, but that doesn't mean I can't look around me and plainly see how my life is easier than racialized people, females, those of a lower economic status, or disabled people.
Holy FUCK you are some sheltered morons, who have so much privilege to nutrition and education, but APPARENTLY YOU HAVEN'T USED ANY OF THAT PRIVILEGE, BECAUSE YOUR CRITICAL-THINKING ABILITIES ARE FUCKING ATROPHIED.
Why aren't we discussing programming, god damnit. Go back to /r9k/
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Anonymous2012-06-24 15:29
Pretty funny that you say this. The idea of ``Male privilege'' is promoted by the same naïve, elitist, middle-class cunts that we're supposed to be.
The "idea of male privilege" is not "promoted" by any particular human so much as it is EMPIRICALLY CONFIRMED BY LOOKING AT REALITY.
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Anonymous2012-06-24 16:22
>>1
There are countries all over the world that are considered wealthy countries, Germany, France, Japan, Isreal, Sweden. Are these nations wealthy because they have been given privileges? No, they are rich because they worked for that wealth. The whole idea of privilege reeks of some kind of helpless welfarestate mentality. Walk up to a Jew on the street and ask him to share his 'privileges'. Go to Japan and ask them to give you privileges, they will laugh in your face. A Japanese will treat a black man the same way they treat a blond haired, blue eyed Swede, as a Gaigen, a foreigner who has no privileges or rights. Africa, South America, South East Asia are some of the most resource rich areas on earth with plenty of food and mineral resources. The fact that people in these areas are poor are their fault. Technology exists to stop hunger and poverty in all these countries, the people in these countries just have to allow it to happen. They have to be held accountable for having leaders who steal their wealth. They cant continue to blame their problems on the white man and beg for hand outs, they have everything they need to make it on their own.
tl:dr fuck you OP, fuck you 'white privilege' slave mentality. You can go around spreading white guilt all you want, but you are the cause of the problem, you are part of the mentality that keeps people poor. Go leech off people somewhere else.
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One Happy Nigga2012-06-24 16:38
Oh so now a brotha can't talk about programming? Fuck you and the people living in your house nigga.
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Anonymous2012-06-24 16:41
>>5
no, fuck you, fuck your false oppression. the only one holding you back is yourself. you expect everything to just be handed to you in a care package
This nigga talks like the white man dont have any blood on them. In fact most countries in regions he mentions is under a covert oppression from the white man. That's right, they scheme their way to those countries' natural resources, utilizing everything from bribes to murder and everything in between. Amazon, African oil and mining ops, blood diamonds, Papua gold, you fucking name it. Not to mention the middle east. You getting this nigga?
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Anonymous2012-06-24 16:55
>>7
Thats right, and whos fault is that? Its their fault for allowing their leaders to allow mineral and agricultural wealth to flow out of the country and only enrich the leaders pockets. Thats right, all of Africa is being looted as we speak, so who is going to stop it? Do you expect white guilt to stop this? Do you expect whites to feel sorry for Africans? No, black africa can only stand up for themselves, they have to stop begging the white man to teach them how to run their own house.
Nigga is you serious? What makes you think the white man just gonna let the prospect of easy money get away? Dem whiteys know how to play a whole country. Let's say Indonesia get their shit together and elect a prez that will effectively nullify the mining contract (which dem Indonesians are at a severe disadvantage) with Freeport on Papua's gold on the base that such contract is directly defies their constitution, just way da fuq u gonna think will happen nigga? Do you really think whitey's gonna let that shit go down? Think hard before you answer that one nigga.
Is you >>8 nigga? Anyway this nigga seems to sort of get it. There's only two kinds of whiteys: those who are blInd and those who shrugs and say "better us than them." just don't cry wolf when the same is being done to you nigga, which will be soon.
Come to think of it, nigga number >>8 is pretty retarded. Assuming he's from the US of A, that means Bush is the fault of Americans. Congratulations dock face nigga.
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Anonymous2012-06-24 17:25
>>9
Im really sorry you think like that, that you worry about what whitey is going to allow. Because first of all, its the responsibility of the people of the country to make sure that resources are being taxed (in south africa they charge 40% tax on any mineral extracted) and that the money is being used to help the people and start business investment. I strongly recommend you do not focus on white people, white people are not going to fix your african economy for you. Not only that the Chinese are playing hardball now that they do not have enough resources to sustain their economic growth. You better wake up quick and learn how to use your money or else you are going to get run over by worldwide economic expansion
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Nigga number >>12 is even more retarded. The example I gave was of Indonesia but this bitch nigga keeps yapping about Africa. Well let's talk about africa then. In Africa you can find some of the most backwards society in the world. How da fuq are they gonna jumpstart and get their shit together after centuries of imperialistic oppression and decades of klepto oligarchy? Beats the shit out of me too nigga.
What comes around goes around. It's now the white man's turn to get culturally enriched. You can steal our oil, gold and other resources but we're gonna steal your jobs, cities and most importantly your identity. That's right, hide yo wifes and daughters coz dem white woman sure love some BBCs.
>>17
I dont use Indonesia as an example because they are a industrialised and self-sustaining economy that is able to manage its resources and care for its people
as far as africa goes, I can only hope they have an "African Spring" like what happened in the middle east
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One Happy Nigga2012-06-24 18:03
Again, nigga number >>19 kind of gets it. That's right, the key word is self-sustaining. The last thing the white man wants is to let non-whites to be able to rise above themselves. They will do whatever they can to let them non-whites to merely subsists, some even making less than a ten dollars a day. All just to have cheap ipods, snickers and gas.
African Spring? look at what the Arab Spring gave Egypt nigga, now they have a religious nut case as prez. The best thing a whitey can do is to let non-whites all over the world into their countries and even their homes. It's only fair nigga.
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Anonymous2012-06-24 18:16
>>20
not to drag this conversation out. But Barak Obama is spending about $16 billion dollars on economic stimulus. The US government openly admits it has no idea where that money is going, they are literally just throwing money at businesses and hoping it does something. If the US government would use that money to send american farmers and farm equipement to africa to set up farming and teach africans to farm. That would wipe out hunger and poverty in africa overnight. This would also stimulate the US economy because american farmers and farm equipment would be used to do all this
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One Happy Nigga2012-06-24 18:27
>>21 Barak is white. He is one of dem. Being a whitey is about being in a position of an abundance of privileges and a privilege of abundance relative to the rest of the so-called third world, it's rarely about the color of your skin.
There is no way the white man is gonna wipe out hunger and poverty in africa, let alone the world. Dem white man profits from wars and the misfortune of billions of people worldwide, and they would like it to be that way for at least another century.
Still can't wrap your head around naming what has been making your life as a straight white able-bodied neurologically-"normal" cisgendered middle/middle-upper class male possible? Back to reading wikipedia and world news, please.
Seriously, I can't believe the extent you fucking sheltered neckbeard misogynist often-nazis (see the jew guy who is currently infesting most threads) will go!
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Anonymous2012-06-24 19:14
>>21
You can't send tractors to Africa without tractor training and repair services as well. Africans actually know how to farm. Africans would actually prefer cheap and reliable farming tools as low technology tools are easier to service. What they actually need is a stable economy to work within. A few of the big problems in Africa involve unstable governments, roaming bandits, natural disasters and overabundant aid programs (food, clothing, toys, tools) that affect the local market for local goods.
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>>28
It looks like nsa.gov kicked him out of the top spot.
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Anonymous2012-06-24 21:00
>>1 I'm a middle-class able-bodied white male too, but that doesn't mean I can't look around me and plainly see how my life is easier than racialized people, females, those of a lower economic status, or disabled people.
I can see how my life sucks less (or at least in different ways) than theirs, but I was not aware of any dick-measuring contest for ,,who has the hardest life?''. So once we've determined that a black lower-class transgender disabled woman's life probably kind of sucks, what do we do? Affirmative action? Try to ban every single joke about black people, poor people, transgender people, disabled people, and females so that she doesn't risk getting offended? Tell every single person whose life isn't as shitty that they should feel guilty for, um, not having a shitty life, even though those people might have never discriminated against her in the first place? Or maybe do the sensible thing and wait she actually gets discriminated against (like, for real, not the ,,your hesitation in calling me she offends me to no end!'' kind of bullshit), then shame/sue the fuckers? Hah, just kidding, feminist shitheads aren't sensible, they'll go with idiocy.
>>32
My point is that the entire concept of privilege (which is a weaker condition than inequality, which itself is weaker than discrimination) encourages blaming all people higher up the ,,privilege scale'' for whatever bad things are happening to people lower down. That does nothing but encourage extra discrimination and animosity between groups (that's what wrongly blaming people does). This idiocy culminates with the infamous motto ,,check your privilege'' which is clearly guilt-inducing.
Fun fact: people in the lower class are more likely to be racist than others, just check your nearest white trash neighbourhood or black ghetto. Don't bother trying to justify their behaviour through privilege; there's never a good excuse for being an illogical shithead.
>>34
So your point is that you don't like the concept of privilege because you feel that it exists to make you feel guilty? You have no one to blame but yourself if it makes you feel the negative emotion of guilt. Privilege is a fairly simple and obvious concept. Only a fool would deny its existence. Have to go into a building with stairs and no ramp or elevator? Welp, you're kind of fucked if you don't have functioning legs. Should you feel guilty for having legs? I don't think so. But I would think you were a dick if you voted against funding construction of the ramp. And I think you should feel guilty if you broke someone else's legs.
And I think you should feel guilty if you broke someone else's legs. Nevermind, that doesn't make sense here. I would think you were a dick if you were an architect that kept on designing lots of buildings with no ramps.
>>36 But I would think you were a dick if you voted against funding construction of the ramp.
What kind of monster would do that? Hell, even if you really don't care about other people, you might still end up a cripple yourself and then you'll understand (I sense you're about to complain about the word I used; fuck you in advance, politically-correct piece of shit ; don't get me started on free speech).
I would think you were a dick if you were an architect that kept on designing lots of buildings with no ramps.
That's just as bad as the above, except it might be ignorance instead of malice.
So your point is that you don't like the concept of privilege because you feel that it exists to make you feel guilty? You have no one to blame but yourself if it makes you feel the negative emotion of guilt.
That was shithead quality! Here's why: Privilege is a fairly simple and obvious concept. Only a fool would deny its existence.
It's an artificial concept which roughly means ,,stuff X can do that Y would have a hard time doing''. Denying the existence of examples of this would be rather silly and easy to disprove. I'm not arguing whether it exists, I'm arguing against the existence of the concept itself. I posit that this is a harmful concept in that it is interpreted by most people as blaming them, which in turn makes them argue with you and tell you to fuck off and die because they don't like being called out on shit they didn't do (personally, I cannot stand injustice).
>>40
I dont know what youre blubbering about. The idea that some people have 'privilege' is just slave mentality that american blacks have held on to. They have never been able to adjust to being given their freedom, they continue to live in a dependent relationship on whites. They try to justify this relationship by saying that somehow whites have 'privilege'. The whole idea is childish and should be ignored. If blacks want to demand equal rights and fight discrimination, then that is a realistic concept. But they dont.
Again, you are bringing a persecution complex into this. This isn't about you. Privilege is an abstraction that describes patterns in society. That is all. I'm sorry that you are afraid of other people being able to analyze society.
It's funny that you both recommend the concept of privilege be ignored. But it makes sense. Those with power fear losing it. Knowledge is power. Therefore, those with power will discourage acquisition of knowledge.
>>42
if you want to cop a parasitic mentality, no one is stopping you. I will ignore you, because Im not going to get dragged down in your co-dependent mentality
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Anonymous2012-06-25 1:51
>>42 Again, you are bringing a persecution complex into this.
Would you like me to make a statistical study over what percentage of people will interpret ,,privilege'' as blaming them personally? I bet it's going to be most of them.
Privilege is an abstraction that describes patterns in society. That is all. Why is it useful? I've pointed out why I think it's a harmful abstraction, please point out why you think it's a good (therefore useful) abstraction. I fail to see how studying privilege (as opposed to actual discrimination) is useful.
I'm sorry that you are afraid of other people being able to analyze society.
No, I'm afraid more and more people will misinterpret privilege and wage a war on the ,,privileged'' to ,,even things out''. Idiotic things like restrictions on freedom of expression, so-called ,,affirmative action'', and eventually discrimination against the perceived ,,privileged'' are what I fear. I know human stupidity has no boundaries, and this is why I fear.
Well, they are kind of dumb. You can't blame people for being privileged. For one thing, it can't be controlled, and even then there is nothing to be blamed for. You can be blamed for reinforcing the system that grants yourself privilege and excludes others. And you can be blamed for being ignorant of your own privilege. Many people use the fallacy, it was easy for me, so it must be for you, without realizing their own privilege.
Any abstraction is useful in analyzing the phenomena they describe. It is useful as an individual to simply be aware of how the world works. I suppose you would question the usefulness of physics if it happened to be controversial enough for you to take offense from it.
It is up to the individual what they want to take away from studying privilege. But all I hear from you is that you have power and you fear losing it. This isn't an argument, and has no bearing on the theory itself. I guess you are saying the theory is well founded, but it should not be studied because you find it to be dangerous. If that is the case, you may as well burn books.
And please sage because this is not programming related.
>>46 You can be blamed for reinforcing the system that grants yourself privilege and excludes others.
That's called discrimination. I fail to foresee a situation in which one is reinforcing the system that grants one privilege and excludes others while not acting in a discriminatory manner.
And you can be blamed for being ignorant of your own privilege.
Nobody is stupid enough not to realize someone else is having a harder time than them (strictly using the definition of privilege, this is what it boils down to).
Many people use the fallacy, it was easy for me, so it must be for you, without realizing their own privilege.
I'm sure there's ways of explaining such an obvious fallacy without uttering the word ,,privilege''.
Any abstraction is useful in analyzing the phenomena they describe. It is useful as an individual to simply be aware of how the world works. I suppose you would question the usefulness of physics if it happened to be controversial enough for you to take offense from it.
You still didn't answer my request to point out why the notion of privilege is useful. Give a non-bullshit (this excludes shit like ,,oh my, someone just posted a discriminatory joke on IRC, off with their fucking head!'') example where ,,privilege'' is required to explain why something is unjust but where discrimination is not involved.
But all I hear from you is that you have power and you fear losing it.
Correct, I have the power to make anus and discriminatory jokes on anonymous message boards in an environment where almost? everyone knows that I am indeed joking. I would hate it if, for the sake of ,,countering cisgender heterosexual white male privilege'', feminists were out to shut down such a safe haven for non-politically-correct amusement. Did I mention that I am a rude individual (at least on the Internet, where nobody knows you're a dog) and hate everything political correctness stands for (crypto-anarchists tend to hate censorship, even when self-imposed)? Whenever I feel cold in winter, I just go to the incident list page on geekfeminism and my blood boils instantly (complaining about a FOSS document that uses ,,he'' too much instead of just editing it yourself so it uses ,,one'' or ,,they''? fuck you and die).
If that is the case, you may as well burn books.
I'll be content with just warning stickers saying that absolute freedom of speech is the most important right, and that the right not to be offended does not exist.
And please sage because this is not programming related.
Fine.
I agree and feel the same way about all of your responses, so I'll just respond to a few of them:
Nobody is stupid enough not to realize someone else is having a harder time than them (strictly using the definition of privilege, this is what it boils down to).
you would be surprised. People can be very idealistic, on all sides of the spectrum for that matter.
I'm sure there's ways of explaining such an obvious fallacy without uttering the word ,,privilege''.
yeah I'm sure there is, and it wouldn't have as much bagage, but the concept is still relevant.
You still didn't answer my request to point out why the notion of privilege is useful.
Basically, it is all in this: It is useful as an individual to simply be aware of how the world works. The first step in facing something is to simply know and understand what you are facing.
>>48
Are you >>33,36,42,46? If yes, are you also >>1-turd (I doubt it since >>1-turd seems to be either a troll or a misguided piece of shit that doesn't understand humour)?
yeah I'm sure there is, and it wouldn't have as much bagage, but the concept is still relevant.
Okay, maybe it's me who has baggage; I've seen/read far too many examples of dismissing someone's logical arguments and points of view because they come from a ,,privileged source'' (okay I've definitely been reading too much geekfeminism wiki bullshit). Telling someone that their life is easier than a certain category of people and implying that that causes incapacity in one's forming of a valid argument is just another form of ad hominem. If you think you have a logical point to make, make it, don't just blurt out ,,check your privilege'' in the hope they'll suddenly become enlightened and go away.
Basically, it is all in this: It is useful as an individual to simply be aware of how the world works. The first step in facing something is to simply know and understand what you are facing.
So it's just about realizing that this world is shit and we all get oppressed in some way or another, some more and some less? Hrmpf. I suppose it might have just been me having a hang-up on the word ,,privilege'' itself.
Telling someone that their life is easier than a certain category of people and implying that that causes incapacity in one's forming of a valid argument is just empirical observation.
You middle-class white male idiots
I'm not middle-class, I'm poor. You have based your arguments on an incorrect assumption, which effectively invalidates them. I feel almost sorry for you.
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Anonymous2012-06-25 18:05
>>53
Noticing that black people stink is just empirical observation.
Noticing that males are superior to females is just empirical observation.
Telling someone that their life is easier than a certain category of people and implying that that causes incapacity in one's forming of a valid argument is just another form of ad hominem.
Indeed. I'm not the wypmp spammer, although I thought it was funny.
So it's just about realizing that this world is shit and we all get oppressed in some way or another, some more and some less?
Yea, pretty much. It's just an analysis of how society works. And it can be useful to be aware of. Consider a teacher teaching students that come from various backgrounds. Students that grew up in different cities with different levels of income will have been at primary schools with varying quality. Students that have had less access to resources in their past may be less prepared than students that went to schools in better neighborhoods. If the teacher doesn't understand this varying privilege amongst the students, the teacher may attribute the underprivileged student's relatively poor performance to the fault of the student, ie, motivation or intelligence. When if the teacher had more awareness of the student's past, the student's level of progress may actually be impressive in retrospect. But the teacher wont be able to make this evaluation without awareness of the student's past and understanding that not all schools are equal. And likewise, the underprivileged student may attribute their relatively slower progress to lack of talent or ability, when in reality, the student may be exposed to concepts that the others have been already working with for a number of years.
The type of stuff you see on geek feminism does exist though. There are people that do argue those things. The philosophy behind it is basically that discrimination, racism, sexism, ect, used to be completely acceptable in the past. And despite the progress made, there are still remnants of these things in our culture, and that their use should be publicly recognized and exposed. Some (most) would go further to say that it should be censored and banned. I think public recognition is enough.
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Anonymous2012-06-26 2:50
>>58 Indeed. I'm not the wypmp spammer, although I thought it was funny.
I thought it was irritating, more than the jew spam (which itself is fairly hard to beat).
But the teacher wont be able to make this evaluation without awareness of the student's past and understanding that not all schools are equal. And likewise, the underprivileged student may attribute their relatively slower progress to lack of talent or ability, when in reality, the student may be exposed to concepts that the others have been already working with for a number of years.
Bah, the education system needs an overhaul anyway, stuff like this being part of the reason. It's hard to assign grades if you don't have standardized testing, but I suppose you could use the delta between tests throughout the year to determine the amount of growth and then grade based on that. Or something like that. I'd rather leave education reform to child psychologists.
The type of stuff you see on geek feminism does exist though. There are people that do argue those things.
I don't always agree that what they perceive as sexist is actually sexist, and whenever that happens, my blood boils. See: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Acme::Playmate_talk http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Debian_IRC_sexism http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Linux_Journal_blowjob_ad
In the case of the Debian IRC incident, I do agree that the official Debian IRC channel should be inclusive to everyone (it's just technical talk about a computer project after all) and that a separate unmoderated ##debian-offtopic channel should be used for off-colour and discriminatory jokes, and idle chat. In fact, this should be the case for almost every official IRC channel.
Some (most) would go further to say that it should be censored and banned.
And this is why I want to fuck them in the ass with a rake. I cannot stress enough how idiotic this is. Seriously, free speech is what allowed us to get this far. It is fundamental for me to know that I can make any kind of violent, discriminatory or political joke without any fear of repercussions.
What is your stance on pornography? Mine is that the only war to be fought there is for ensuring equitable pay (as well as health services, etc.) for the involved females (which should be, needless to say, consenting). I strongly believe in a ,,right to pornography'', and that banning it is an affront to the right to do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want-as-long-as-you're-not-hurting-anyone (this goes both for the viewers and the producers).
>>79
No, I've had it with you. Your endless stream of illogical diarrhoea (culminating with a display of blatant sexism) has for too long defaced this board and alienated its members. Not only that, but because you claim to act out of feminist conviction, you have given feminism a bad reputation on countless occasions. I thereby declare thee unscientific and ultimately destructive.
What is your stance on pornography?
I have the same general opinion on how it should be handled in policy, but I feel that it gives some people a very distorted view of women.
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Anonymous2012-06-27 1:46
>>82 lewd Although the use of computer vision sounds interesting, if that is what it does.
Now that I think about it, I kind of agree with you since it was an official event. Had it been some unofficial gathering or something clearly labelled ,,the rude open source programmer conference'', it would have been totally okay with me.
'>expecting IRC to be PC
One would indeed expect an official project IRC channel to avoid discrimination. Like I said before, the solution is just to create an unmoderated ##debian-offtopic for discriminatory jokes and the sort.
demeaning to both genders.
I found it very humorous because of that. While one can argue that it is objectifying, it is not directly sexist. I argue that it's acceptable because the entire point of the joke is to insult the reader (this attractive female will never have sexual relations with you).
I have the same general opinion on how it should be handled in policy, but I feel that it gives some people a very distorted view of women.
Warning labels? You can't ban something just because some idiots misuse it.
>>85
Eat shit spammer. No amount of pain in this universe is enough to punish you. >>86
You are buying in to the spammers insanity, stop discussing as >>84 said.
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Anonymous2012-06-27 5:14
>>87
Check your privilege, VIP programmer. Seriously, though, go fuck an autistic nigger you piece of shit.
>>88
How creative, my irc bot has a higher iq than you. Piss off you wannabe turd.
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Anonymous2012-06-27 5:25
>>89
I've hated you for a while now, but now I'm confuzzled; what the fuck are you doing here anyway? Are you arguing against the feminists, for the feminists, against FFP, for FFP, against your own abortion or for your own abortion?
>>92
The argumeent is that your logic is illogical. It's fine to improve the state of women for the sake of equality but not if men should suffer for it because if that happens, it's no longer equality but misandry.
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Anonymous2012-06-27 5:45
>>97,99
VIPPER waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were spammers in the /prog/. He didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Cernel RedCram were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
Vipper was a shitposter for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the shitposters and he said to dad "I want to be on the /prog/ daddy."
Dad said "No! You will BE KILL BY SPAMMERS"
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the spam station base of the 4CH he knew there were spammers.
"This is RedCram" the radio crackered. "You must fight the spammer!"
So VIPPER gotted his sagebmob rifle and blew up the wall.
"HE GOING TO KILL US" said the spammers
"I will troll at him" said the feminist spammer and he fired the WYP missiles. VIPPER plasmaed at him and tried to blew an autistic tantrum. But then the banhammer fell and they were trapped and not able to shitpost.
"No! I must kill the spammers" he shouted
The radio said "No, VIPPER. You are the spammer"
And then VIPPER was a shitposter.
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Anonymous2012-06-27 5:49
>>101
VIPPER was always a shitposter. At least he's a decent shitposter that knows a thing or two about coding.
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922012-06-27 5:51
>>100
I don't know who you think I am, but I am >>44,47,59,80,83,98,101 and many others before. Feminism doesn't want either gender to suffer (although some sexist retards who label themselves as feminists do). Yes, ,,feminism'' is a shitty name for a movement that wants gender equality/blindness. It's legacy crap, get over it.
>>105
I am fairly proud of it. I am rather cheap, I am not homosexual however. I am certain a 5 year old could come up with better ways to annoy people, at that age they seem quite prolific at that.
But since you wanna imply that I ever was, it's time to begin.
You guys are literally wordmetropolising over a purely troll topic. FeekGeminism is a site of content writted exclusively by homofeminine males who want to pass as females. The fact of the matter is there isn't a single bitch in the world who actually thinks any of that shit or would agree with it in the slightest, they just don't give a fuck. The entire point of the site is to amplify discriminatory and spiteful regard to actual females and (more quantatively & appropriately) homofeminine males. in reaction to its own blatantly ironic sexism.
"Why aren't we discussing programming, god damnit. Go back to /r9k/" is a strange thing to say after the rest of your post. It's also a stupid thing to say after specifically calling us all names and typing in all caps like you "mean business".
Go back to /b/, please.
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Anonymous2012-08-26 1:05
you have multiple personality disorder or some shit
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Julie Sussman2012-08-26 1:09
Have you checked your CISP today, PMPs?
WYPMP
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Anonymous2012-08-27 6:05
>>118
Nobody funds femenazi because they don't even exist.