Long live WikiLeaks. Anybody against it is against free press and free speech.
If it's taken down, I have that taken care of... http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6109830
And you know why he's a fag? Because he's an egotwat. He goes round acting like he's untouchable as if noone could get him. It doesn't help that his insurance files are, due to his self absorbed arrogance, blatantly deterrence bluffs that would make best Korea jelly. If everyone just stopped pussying around and actually did something about it, this would all be over. I mean he's no more than an overhyped internet gossip columist. People are only calling him a journalist because he's all "I hate hate America HUUURRRRR I fight for you" bullshit.
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Anonymous2011-02-05 9:25
>>4 He goes round acting like he's untouchable as if noone could get him.
That's not the sense I get from him at all. Especially with some of the interviews he had with the BBC. They were cool, calm and collective, not boastful in the slightest. It doesn't help that his insurance files are, due to his self absorbed arrogance, blatantly deterrence bluffs that would make best Korea jelly.
Hyperbole. Conflating a man with a small Internet organization to a communist government. If everyone just stopped pussying around and actually did something about it, this would all be over. I mean he's no more than an overhyped internet gossip columist. People are only calling him a journalist because he's all "I hate hate America HUUURRRRR I fight for you" bullshit.
AFAIK, he hasn't been indited on any charges from operating WikiLeaks, just the supposed "rape" charge, which is in all probability, frivolous. And has no bearing or relevancy on operating WikiLeaks.
All I've heard are some (mostly Republican) Republican and Democratic politicians howling for his blood; Congress has arguably released much more sensitive information, like the recently declassified locations of nuclear operating sites throughout the country.
I've heard similar stuff many times bleated on by American media, and it's pretty much frivolous and not worth to be taken seriously.
All I know is that he's doing things to hurt the country I live in...DAMN STRAIGHT I WANT HIS HEAD!
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Anonymous2011-02-05 11:23
>>7 your country does things that hurt you and other countries. how do you feel about that?
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Anonymous2011-02-05 13:47
This Assange, this so called perfect crusader knowlingly collaborates with anti-semites (Islam Shamir) and adopts a Sarah Palin aggressiveness (quoted as saying informants deserve to be killed). What's that say about bradley Manning, an informant? Assange wants him to die too?
>>7
Have you actually read any of the cables? There's nothing really controversial in them. Watergate was much more embarrassing in comparison. All the cables did was confirm what most people knew or suspected already.
>>10 Apparently you know something that nobody else does.
What I've said in >>5 can be found on the BBC website, including the interviews that Assange was given while in custody in the UK. And as far as I know, the US Department of Justice hasn't filed anything against WikiLeaks or Assange (besides threatening to do something for months now), just some rousers in Congress being belligerent and boisterous as usual. Not to mention certain American media inflating the situation and misinforming the public because they're paid to do so.
>>13
This doesn't show me much except a news organization paddling its book like some obnoxious celebrity would, and possibly one that's filled with information that has dubious validity and origin. All for the affordable price of £9.99!
possibly one that's filled with information that has dubious validity and origin
It takes a talented person to be able to judge a book even before they've seen the cover. Or decide what is worth face value and what can be discarded as spurious.
I'm not going to waste money to find if Guardian's book is true or not. If it gets leaked out as a PDF I might take a look at it. It's pretty obvious that they're using this incident to make a quick buck and not much more (in that category, WikiLeaks has the upper hand since they're donation based), plus Guardian is a dubious news source in general, maybe a notch or two above the Daily Mail.
Most of this bullshit is an attack on Assange's character rather than the operation of WikiLeaks itself, granted I probably wouldn't have Assange in my group of friends, but organizations like WikiLeaks are needed and important.
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Anonymous2011-02-06 15:19
>>12
Nothing controversial in the cables.
Riiiiight. That's why everyone is so worked up. Remember the whole "putting innocents in danger" thing? It's called "doublespeak". Look it up.
I think the question is: Have YOU read the cables?
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172011-02-06 15:20
I shoal say: have you been reading the cables? Because there was no "dump": there are more coming out every day.
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162011-02-06 15:49
>>17 Riiiiight. That's why everyone is so worked up.
People get worked up over anything, like that moron Jenny McCarthy who spouts the bullshit that childhood vaccines cause autism, which was proved incorrect in a recent study, which is not only retarded, but people should be held liable for spouting such bullshit that can become fatal for some. Remember the whole "putting innocents in danger" thing? It's called "doublespeak".
Which has yet to be proven. Doesn't stop media from spouting it mindlessly though. I think the question is: Have YOU read the cables?
Yes. I found this one in particular, amusing http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2008/01/08OTTAWA136.html . Most of the cables are just your typical boring diplomatic business, nothing really controversial. Maybe some of the cables from 1966-1975 might be embarrassing to those involved during the Vietnam War, but nothing that people don't known already.
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Anonymous2011-02-07 11:49
>>19
Well, you wouldn't have been amused by that cable if it wasn't for wikileaks. You at least owe them your entertainment:p
Couldn't say the same for hilary tho...
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Anonymous2011-02-08 21:14
>>19
Do you find it amusing that Pfizer experiments with their drugs on children?
Do you find it amusing that the US wants to sanction any European country that won't accept GMO foods?
Oh, and did you find that helicopter video amusing?
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192011-02-08 21:45
Yes, I found all of those amusing.
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Anonymous2011-02-09 4:23
Ffs.
The helicoptor video has been taken out of context and given the "collatoral Murder" to make Assrange look like more of a journalistic dynamo than he really is. The hint is in the overdramatic video title. Most of the footage before the people got shot was cut out. For all we know they could have been transporting weapons and got caught. The journalists who got caught in it were unfortunately in the wrong place and the wrong time.
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Anonymous2011-02-09 5:57
>>23
You are probably right. Soldiers never kill innocent people, bombs always find the right target and police bullets ricochet by default. There is no such thing as human error.
The collateral murder video shows what happens when the (faschist/racist) idea of collective guilt is used. When people stop being innocent unless proved otherwise.
Yes, the collateral murder video IS out of context. It doesn't show that this is operation is part of a war waged for oil with the excuse of looking for WMDs. It doesn't show how normal civilians caught into this are treated, and it doen's show how thousants of innocent civilians were murdered in thier own country, possibly in their own home.
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Anonymous2011-02-09 5:58
Long live wikileaks
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Anonymous2011-02-09 7:15
Ave Assanga
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Anonymous2011-02-09 9:41
>>24
I'm not talking about it being out of context in those terms, I'm talking about it being out of context due to the fact that pretty much all the footage before it was cut out and an over dramatic name was taped to it, and then paraded by a complete ego maniac who obviously gets a rise out of people watching it. In fact, when Steven Colbert questioned Assange on the nature of presenting the footage as it was, he came close to making Assange crack and make him look like he was peddling the video for viewing figures instead of informing.
In 1941 the Japanese started some shit with us, and we shut their little yellow monkey asses down, killing off a third of their nation's population before they finally surrendered three and a half years later.
Our ancestors are spinning in their graves because we refuse to do the same with the sandniggers.
>>30
From that very same article, in the comments below resides my opinion on the issue, that being "Who cares who bests who in this cat fight or how wierd he is or isn't. I care about the truth that our government and others hide from us that harms us or exposes us to danger".
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Anonymous2011-02-15 16:58
>>30
So you're happy to support a man who wants to literally make a woman in every country pregnant, has been noted to attack cats and paid an anti-semite to represent Wikileaks in Russia?
You do know the whole "I want woman around the world to have my babies because I think the world should be dominated by mini-mes" stuff Assange is reported to have had said could be used by Miss A and Miss W's laywers to suggest Assange deliberately saboutged the condom for a reason.
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Anonymous2011-02-15 17:45
>>32
hang on_ can't respond_ my mind is blown by your idiocy_ i'll try to pull it back together_ just need a minute
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Anonymous2011-02-15 18:18
Assange is obviously a dangerous psychopath that needs to be institutionalized immediately.
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Anonymous2011-02-15 18:35
>>33
They will use that excuse if they think it fits. Don't worry though. Wikileaks has been a dud since September when the other guy took the software needed to make posters anon because "children shouldn't play with guns" which is what Assange has been doing.
And the BOA stuff is a dud as well.
>>32
It is not a man I support. It is an ideal. While Assange and Wikileaks may not be a perfect example of that ideal, they are certainly the closest. If another were to take over what Wikileaks stood for and did it better, then great. But until that time, I'll support an organization founded by an egocentric rapist, because that is where the idea of truly free press/speech is right now.
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Anonymous2011-02-16 12:58
Look at all you people! You are sitting here discussing about assange and you are missing the real side of the issue: the actual content of the cables.
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Anonymous2011-02-16 13:36
Assange is a tool of much greater and sinister puppet masters.
It's an old tactic.
Muslims use it a lot in America and around the world. Communists have used it for 70 years.
Use the cry of "freedom" to achieve your dominance over others and then shut down that same freedom for everyone else when you achieve the power to do so.
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Anonymous2011-02-16 16:54
"Use the cry of "freedom" to achieve your dominance over others and then shut down that same freedom for everyone else when you achieve the power to do so."
That sounds awfuly like the US doesn't it? You might want to check your facts again. Not that US citizens have anything to do with this though.
>>40
I agree, but I think 39 has a point. If we learned anything from Iraq and Afghanistan, it's that the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
>>38
Agreed. What really ought to be at issue is the documents themselves and the lies of our government. Assange is a great guy and his legal charges are bullshit propogated by the US, but that's only part of what's going on here.
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Anonymous2011-02-17 6:27
I honestly couldn't care less about Wikileaks and Openleaks. Neither of them (especially in the latter's case) have produced anything of importance that we didn't already know. But that's not the point because Assange has made it his point to act like an egocentric, shove-it-down-your-throat hyperbole. He could have done what any rational leaders would do and just step back and let his organisation do the talking. But no. He had to do dramatic poses, shove his political opinions in everyone's faces and boast about how much he likes turning those thumbscrews on his political targets and making everyone squirm. His self inflated arrogance is what pisses most people off, not that a group of script kiddies somewhere in a secret location is spilling secret documents. I for one am happy this clown's starting to feel the burn now. The more you go around claimimg how untouchable you are, the more people will prove you wrong. Now this Dorm-whatever his name is, is spilling the beans on Assange.
Hey Julian, you know when your started leaking private documents on the US government and got them all flustered and angry about it? Well now you know how it feels when your private details are leaked everywhere. Squawk conspiracy all you like but we all know you attacked a cat and threatened to kill anyone who would "fuck-up" under your watch.
Or how the tables have turned, and oh how satisfying it is.
I guess I must be an "enemy of free speech" now or something.
Inb4 anyone called be a retard or idiot or whatever you cool kids use as an insult nowadays.
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Anonymous2011-02-17 7:09
>>42
You can say whatever you want. There's freedon of speach for everyone here. Still, I find ad hominem attacks (attacking someone's person rather than his opinions) quite dishonest. Still, if someone if a public figure we have a democratic obligation to criticise. If we want to be honest we need to criticise WHAT they say. Not the way they say it, their color, sex etc. And I'm not being anal here. These are the basic rules of conversation.
The fact that someone puts himself in danger to tell us what our governments (our elected representatives) don't, is heroic in a sense. I'm not going to judge this person's character.
If the idea behind wikileaks and openleaks works, it should help countries operate more democraticaly. This should be benaficial for everyone. We can all sense the danger of the world elitism. No matter what political background we come from. Letting politicians have secrets is not very democratic at all. We don't care what they do in their private lifes but we have to know exactly what they are doing in their political lives otherwise democracy falls appart. I don't care if it's wikileaks, openleaks or whatever leaks. Public information about policies, politicians and their actions should be public (as the word says) but isn't. And if our elected representatives choose to hide it from us, then it's a case of theft. This means that if someone steals is back and brings it back and returns it for free, is not realy a thief as he didn't steal anything, he returned something to its rightfull owner, at his own cost as well!
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Anonymous2011-02-17 7:49
>>43
But I am criticizing Assange for what he says, not how he says it. He declared that informants should be killed because they "deserve" it. He's also been reported as saying to the other guy roughly "If you fuck up, I will hunt you down and kill you". That's not something a benevolent leader who wishes to stop the big guys would say. He's the worst possible leader. Remove Assange and I wouldn't have a problem with Wikileaks, and they'd of had less problems as well.
>>46
agreed. he said she said is bullshit excuse for anything.
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Anonymous2011-02-19 18:57
>>48
I'm agreeing with >>44 on grounds that Assange is the worst possible leader you could have, and even more so considering the fact he sends his lawyer cronies to send letters to anyone who even dares deliver any kind of criticism.
The guy's a douch. Wikileaks would do well to shed that dead weight
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Anonymous2011-02-19 20:06
>>49
It was Assange's idea. They aren't lame enough to sell out like that.
Okay my two cents on the matter.
Julian Assange is visibly upset about the thought of being extradited to Sweden. I can think of three hypothetical base reasons he wouldn't want that to happen. Any of them might be true or any of them might be false, so none of you Assange fags start moaning about me being an enemy of free press or whatever tired shit you still pull:
1). There's another dirty secret, or skeleton in Assange's closet that will be revealed if he gets sent there. Considering what's been said about his own personal comments that he admitted to fathering lovechilds around the the world, that he had the gall to say his DNA should be reproduced and how he described himself on personal dating sites, maybe he sabotaged the condom in an attempt to make another mini-Assange? Or maybe there's someone else involved that has a dirty secret or two to share? That last bit is mostlikely untrue.
2). Once he gets extradited from Britain, it's game over for him completely. The US will wrangle their way in, bag and tag him and he'll never be seen again, either living the rest of his life in a 2 by 4 prison cell or bullet in the head in a locked off room.
3). Assange is being a egocentric drama queen, who knows making a fuss about this will get him more attention. I mean he probably still expects to make the front page every day. Might as well do it like Z-list celebrity does it
Or maybe the secret is that Assange is actually from the planet Jupiter and he's really a gay sphynx that plays ocarina.
Don't be a dumbass. He's scared and upset because the United States is pissing all over their own laws and international laws that they signed. It's not like he's going to have a trial in front of a jury of his peers. No justice. No peace.
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Anonymous2011-02-23 5:23
>>56
Dude, it's a hypothetical. None of them have to be taken seriously.
Anyhoo, maybe he should have thought about the risks before he started his shitstorms. I mean you don't steal information from the United States and pass it around and expect to be left alone.
I'd be happy to see him just disappear or go live on an island somewhere if only so he'd shut up. Besides, Wikileaks is pretty much dead. It's contributing anything of value and probably won't in the future.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 0:48
>>57
Dumbshit: he didn't STEAL information. No-one even believes he STOLE information. Information was GIVEN to him. Perhaps you disagree with him PUBLISHING that information, but don't lie and say he STOLE it.
Plus, you are either an idiot or literally have your head in sand if you think Wikileak isn't contributing anything to the world.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 1:02
Assange's behaviour suggests he is narcissistic and without any genuine ethical motivation, those involed in leaking the information may well have been but certainly not him, he is pretty much just an attention whoring middle man. This whole debaucle has done both good and bad, probably bad in the short run but in the long run we can be sure that intelligence services in the free world will beef up security and the leaks themselves were not all that controversial, I'm pretty sure everyone already knew that the US covered up friendly fire and collateral damage incidents, what they didn't know was whether the US is a regular democracy with no real centralized leadership or whether the US is controlled by a "boy's club" oligarchy who do as much as they can get away with under a democratic system. These leaks prove that US interests are very closely aligned with that of it's impartial educated middle class.
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592011-02-24 1:05
Also worth mentioning is the fact that wikileaks is a civilian organization, if a military organization had identified the leaks they would have gone to great lengths to preven the US government discovering the flaws in their security, wikileaks of course instantly thought "WHAT A SCOOP" and let rip without much prior forethought or consideration inadvertantly revealing the breach.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 1:08
>>60
WIkileaks didn't inadvertently reveal their source, their source did.
>>63
Awww what's wrong?
Butthurt your glorious leader's going away for leaking stuff that wasn't his?
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Anonymous2011-02-24 16:36
>>64
Fuck leadershit.
You're just buying into lies that are mind-bogglingly stupid. It's annoying. Who are you: Sarah Palin? Sheesh.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 16:40
>>65
Lies? Geez, why didn't anyone tell me they might possibly be lies?
Face it, he has ugly flaws. Fellow publishers and work colleges saw them and spilled the beans on them. The only reason they took so long to surface was he currently has less power to sue anyone for talking about them.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 16:53
>>66
You know what, you're right. Who gives a shit bout all the corruption that's being exposed and all the resulting protests and so on.
Let's focus on one guy and his personality quirks. It's much easier to handle.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 17:02
>>67
I think it's been said a thousand times already. They could focus on Wikileaks, but he's the one that masterminded it. Wikileaks is dead as a functioning organisation. The anon submitting system is gone. Few are going to risk putting a name to their leaks unless they got extreme balls. All they have left to focus on now is the ringleader. That's why they're spending all their resources on icing him rather than going after a load of lackies that did the hard work. Honestly I don't think anymore can done now.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 17:22
>>68
Oh, but you forgot one thing: Wikileaks is still publishing. Cables are still coming out.
Not so dead really.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 17:26
>>69
They're most likely only publishing stuff they already have. If they get new stuff it won't be from anon posters, hence less of it. After all, who wants to blow the whistle on some big company and then get put in jail/sued/murdered down a back alley for it? Wikileaks had it's 15 minutes of fame. Now it'll just fade into the background like most other websites will. Wikileaks doesn't make the news anymore. Assange only makes it for making a fuss about his extradition. Noone will even rememember it in 10 years unless they look in a history book. It'll just be "That site that published secret stuff noone wanted you to know"
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Anonymous2011-02-24 17:30
>>70
Haha, yeah, you wish.
The world is already changing. No-one will remember Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and (hoo boy) Saudi Arabia, will they?
Go drink your Ovaltine and sit in your rocker, Grandma, everything's gonna be just fine. These young upstarts don't know what they're talking about.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 17:36
>>71
People will remember the riots for the same reason they remember the numerous Bloody Sundays, the Russian Revolution or the American Civil war. Who remembers whistleblowers? The only reason we remember the Watergate whistleblower and the Papers that resulted is because a) it's a piece of history America actually likes talking about and b) There's a fucking movie about it. If America has their way, they'll erase cablegate or make it look like a futile attempt to stop them (which is was)
You talk about wikileaks as if they're all a bunch of 20 somethings. Just drop that and face it, you're just a shill for Assange and you want the last word on it.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 17:48
>>72
And I'll get it too: come hell or high water.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 17:59
>>73
And if you did then it just proves you're a shill for Assange. If I get it, it proves I'm one of many that's tired of the annoying shit Assange is pulling or has pulled.
So you know, fuck it, I guess you just "have" to win because you're "fighting for justice or freedom" or whatever your glorious leader wanted to call leaking stuff he had no right to have in the first place. I for one am glad Wikileaks doesn't have the anon posting system anymore, because is Assange is a "kid who plays with guns"
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Anonymous2011-02-24 18:33
>>74
silly child; it proves nothing but that we both have some time to kill in debate.
I can't figure out if you're just old and befuddled, or young and super-stupid.
Or, shit, maybe I'm being trolled. Dammit. I always fall for troll shit.
>>78
I sometimes find that minimalism is the best route to take. For example, tiled window managers.
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Anonymous2011-03-04 0:44
*BUMP*
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Anonymous2011-03-04 4:27
Who needs wikileaks, just dump the files as a torrent.
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Anonymous2011-03-04 5:34
Oh boy, who brought this thread back? I thought we'd all gotten bored of that clown Ass-Ange and his studid "I changed the world because I think I did" group.
I'm not crazy, I'm not a troll. But, I love the Matrix, Stephen King's Dreamcatcher and Food Incorporated.
If any of you hate the corporations like Cargill, Perdue (if you speak french, this name is ironic) and the destruction that others like them are wreaking upon the earth and humanity in the name of profit, then I invite 4chan to expose them. Take the red pill, and the most rocking trip since time began.
If I have inadvertantly posted in the wrong board, please forgive me and direct me to another. This same message will appear again and again until Anonymous finds it and chooses to act. or not. I mean, it's up to them. But, if they've successfully targeted Scientology then American corporations and special interests ought to be a piece of cake.
Ready for the revolution?
Julian my albino baby, if you're reading this and you are ready to target the real enemy instead of wasting time with powerless governments (read Marx if you haven't already) then get with the program. Or don't. But good luck in Sweden anyway. Don't be afraid, and don't isolate your friends.
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Matrix Babe2011-03-05 5:53
Ahem. SO, bitches....
Know whose head I want? Corporations. the pollutors and corruptors of humanity. Let me be your Socrates and show you. I'll never lead you. But I'll show you if yu want to be shown. I'm hiding and waiting to be found. But I'll never act unless you find me. And I'll never act at all, only make you act. WAKE UP NOW.
I'm not crazy, I'm not a troll. But, I love the Matrix, Stephen King's Dreamcatcher and Food Incorporated.
If any of you hate the corporations like Cargill, Perdue (if you speak french, this name is ironic) and the destruction that others like them are wreaking upon the earth and humanity in the name of profit, then I invite 4chan to expose them. Take the red pill, and the most rocking trip since time began.
If I have inadvertantly posted in the wrong board, please forgive me and direct me to another. This same message will appear again and again until Anonymous finds it and chooses to act. or not. I mean, it's up to them. But, if they've successfully targeted Scientology then American corporations and special interests ought to be a piece of cake.
Ready for the revolution?
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Anonymous2011-03-05 7:37
>>83
No, you piss off and take this thread with you. I'm sick of Assange even existing in the media. He goes round leaking documents that weren't his in the first place, claims to be this guy who fights for truth and freedom for everyone, then is caught declaring that informants (y'know, informants like the ones who blow whistles and help other people and gave him the fukcing documents in the first place) deserve to die, then gets buttmad that information is leaked on him when he should have looked ahead and known that everything would be fair game regardless of whether it was on his enemies or himself, hires an anti-Semite to represent Wikileaks in Russia and then has the gall to blame the Jews on all his troubles concerning his extradition case? What a fucking hypocrite. Why do you clowns still defend this sucker? Please, don't use the "Because he fights to expose our corrupt governments" because that's gotten tired and old. Please, think of a logical answer that doesn't involve that. Please try and actually think of something with any degree of weight.
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Anonymous2011-03-05 7:53
>>87
Regardles of assange, cablegate has already ben usefull in many cases and I'm sure it will be in many more. Today I was reading an article about the situation in lybia and some of it was based on information from wikileaks. Don't be too quick to judge the effect of cablegate. There's so much information out there that even if journalists weren;t biased and did a good job, they wouldn't be able to inform the public well enough. Even though wikileaks is far from panacea and assange is far from being the perfect representative, I see it as a first step in the right direction. Where the public informs itself and by decentralizing the frow of information we can become more informed as a whole. Indymedia is also worth mentioning in this respect.
Anyway, since governments have interest in hiding the truth and the media fail to handle the amount of information in a globalised world, I think it makes absolute sense for the people to inform each other.
>>87
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Use your own brain! I don't need to prove anything to you.
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Anonymous2011-03-18 16:31
Assange is just a figure representing a much larger organization. Even without him, Wikileaks will continue functioning. You can hate him as much as you want, but the fact is that these documents will continue to be presented to the public, because larger corporations with self-interest will not.