>>2
Guns are legal in America. Where's this Taboo Effect that you implied? Oops!
Worldwide, anyone who's disarmed in a Libertarian-esque society is going to be abused by the upper and lower criminal classes. That's why crime is increasing in the UK. That's why America has a base of crime that will never go away, and why it's always worse in her cities (which usually try to restrict acts of self defense, hence creating a disarmed class). That is why crime is generally low in disarmed states in Europe, since they are NOT Libertarian and have significant Socialist elements.
Anyplace on Earth where you have to largely fend for yourself, you have to be armed or you're just going to be victimized by the most dangerous animal known: Man.
>>3 true, but as far as goverment and anti gun activists go, they always see the crayon drawings little kids make where everyone's happy and there's no gun in sight and go, "how come we can't be like that" however failing to realize that the assumption of making civilians powerless will turn everyone into the pastel colored stick figures with smiley faces permanently affixed to our heads they dreamed of is a rather radical one at that.
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Anonymous2007-08-30 10:24 ID:bjIxvi76
You fucking american sub human fools. Crime is a lot lower in the UK than compared to the backwards USA. So fuck off trying to inport your shity culture to us. We dont want armed gun freaks running around this place. Stay the fuck in your own country yank.
>>10 who the fuck said we wanted to invade you? As far as I'm concerned nobobody wants your shitty food and crappy sitcoms, so GTFO eurofag.
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Anonymous2007-08-30 10:47 ID:RuTLaL3J
>>11
Anti-gun laws only work on the law abiding.
The law abiding do not commit gun crimes.
Therefore anti-gun laws do not reduce gun crime.
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Anonymous2007-08-30 18:32 ID:JnTtEuGD
So why does the USA have the highest gun crime rate in the world? FUckign stupid yank.
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Anonymous2007-08-30 19:16 ID:oarMMK3A
So why do the Europeaons have a higher overall crime rate? FUcking stupid eurofags.
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Anonymous2007-08-30 19:22 ID:oarMMK3A
Also Canada
But no one can blame me for forgetting those losers.
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Anonymous2007-08-30 21:31 ID:5JdZ+9Jv
>>12
Then you should stop stealing those items and claiming them as your own. No wonder you fuckers get on so well with Israel...
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Anonymous2007-08-30 21:44 ID:NC7BO6LG
>>17 the fuck are you talking about? What got stolen from you that you need to bitch about it? I can't think of anything here that is British and NOT obviously so. Besides, saying that giving people weapons in your country will make them all psychopaths is ADMITTING that people are fucked up where you come from.
So, how many in america are killed with their own fucking gun? How many fucked up children have easy access to guns in europe? In europe heroes kill themselves not others.
What are you gonna do if you're threatened with a gun and have one yourself? Shoot him? Are you going to say "nuh-uh, can't shoot me, look, i have a gun too"? What a great idea to scare/stress a man desperate enough to threaten you with a gun. Who do you think has the most to lose in a gunfight?
Ignoring silly laws written 300 years ago (the constitution), what reason is there to give the public access to lethal weapons?
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Anonymous2007-08-31 0:05 ID:jhRFctGe
>>20 ok, let some crazy guy come in your house and blow your fucking wife and kids' brains out, just wait for the cops to come and let them handle it. We both know if a person's willing to go so far as to kill someone they'd have no problem obtaining contraband weapons to do it, might as well give the people with sanity a chance to make them think twice. And to answer your question, guns aren't just for killing PEOPLE, tard.
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Anonymous2007-08-31 0:26 ID:G2l2oDCe
>>20
Ignoring silly laws written 300 years ago (the constitution), what reason is there to give the public access to lethal weapons?
Ruby Ridge.
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Anonymous2007-08-31 1:29 ID:HNIQv0nC
>>21
I would still prefer if all those crazy guys didn't already have their guns lying around, ready to be used on a whim.
Oh, and if he wants to kill your wife/kids, he could just enter when you're not home. It'd be stupid to assume he's stupid.
>>22
And how did having a gun help him or his son?
Or was the idea some kind of rise up against the state, revolution kind of thing? Well, too bad we've focused our army on fighting such freedomfighters/terrorists. It would never succeed today.
>>or maybe you fucking eurofags don't get it. It's not just about killing people like you fags think. Criminals are going to be criminals, that can't be helped. But for the rest of us sane people, guns offer fun sport. Just because you see shit on TV doesnt mean we're all drunk ass wifebeating hillbillies like you think
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Anonymous2007-09-01 11:17 ID:IOVoz3uS
First thing I heard from the man at the gunstore before I made my purchase is "never own a gun if you are not willing to kill somebody." Why do you think he said this?
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Anonymous2007-09-01 13:58 ID:UBy9wUPb
Fucking american scum GTFO.
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uanime52007-09-01 18:55 ID:l8rN1uch
I'm always amazed about how Americans claim that guns are necessary when in all the countries in which guns are heavily restricted have far lower crime rates.
Also the second ammendment allows Americans the right to bear arms but has anyone ever used this ammendment to sucessfully form an armed miltia.
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Anonymous2007-09-02 14:11 ID:+Yv6ws23
>>15
Your chating a lot of shit there. EUROPE HAS A FAR LOWER CRIME RATE THAT THE SHITY STALINIST USA. So fuck off back to your own shity capitalist version of the USSR.
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Anonymous2007-09-02 14:46 ID:wUFT5ggt
>>29
I prefer not to let certainty of death if I am attacked by someone with a gun rule my life. Of course I could always submit to the will of the criminal and continue to live at the cost of a thoroughly reemed asshole, but I have a personal problem with that.
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Anonymous2007-09-02 15:45 ID:oAoTwsql
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Anonymous2007-09-04 13:46 ID:/XY1uzJG
>>35
Sure you don't want to just settle for some extra vaseline like the Eurofags? Common, we wouldn't want any criminals to get SHOT, now would we?
I've looked at the facts and the correlation between guns and crime is actually pretty inconsistent. on one hand you new york with strict controls on guns and a low crime rate, but on the other hand you have Virginia with loose gun laws and also low crime rates. It seems to me that crime is more consistently correlated with other social/economic issiues than guns such as unemployment, inflation, government regulations, teen pregnancy rate,population density ect...
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huh?2007-09-07 0:18 ID:gDz/5NQ8
surrendering your freedoms to the state for the "common good" is the mantra of fascism. personally i perter not to trade liberty for security, not many people in the O.K. (Orwellian Kindom) seem to have that view, but if you want to repeat past mistakes be my guest.
The funny thing is that Gun nuts will always beat non gun nuts.
You know why? WE HAVE GUNS!
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Anonymous2007-09-11 7:15 ID:fzjjAuyc
UK is going to shit, whether due to Muslims, Chav culture, boredom or fuck knows what else. I wouldn't call it a fair comparison at this point in time.
Australia, Europe, New Zealand and Japan all have very strict gun control laws, yet minuscule rates of violent crime compared to the USA. I doubt any of those nations are "sinking into fascism" any faster then the US currently is.
Gun control doesn't have to be perfect, once firearms become scarce enough, they are pulled out of reach of most dumb, spur of the moment common crooks and only retained by much more careful major organised crime groups. You can easily run or overpower some fool with a knife or club when you're full of fear, but you can't run from a gun.
You can't hope to protect yourself from a hostile government with guns. Every gun-nut seems to imagine going down in a blaze of glory, defending your property from evil gubment brown-shirts when it makes far more sense to covertly assassinate you while you're going about your daily life, out-gun you with paramilitary forces or simply blow up your base of operations with a cruise missile.
African and Middle Eastern nations have plenty of guns, however where the fuck is their "Liberty"?. If the masses are brainwashed into believing in their masters or outright apathy, no amount of shooting can change that. Guns can't change human nature.
Hence Guns != Liberty. Guns != Safety.
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Anonymous2007-09-11 7:22 ID:x2atdLHq
Australia, Europe, New Zealand and Japan all have very strict gun control laws, yet minuscule rates of violent crime compared to the USA. I doubt any of those nations are "sinking into fascism" any faster then the US currently is.
Wheret the fuck did you get that from?
Australia is like UK: increase of crimes after gun ban
Europe is par with US - some have slightly higher rates (e.g. Finnland) some have slighly lower rates (e.g. Germany)
Japan has a whole different culture than the US. If you call US fascist than those guys must have perfected it. It's a police state thru and thru.
Dunno about New Zealand but who the fuck cares about new New Zealand?
>>33
"I'm always amazed about how Americans claim that guns are necessary when in all the countries in which guns are heavily restricted have far lower crime rates."
Switzerland allows their citizens fully automatic weaponry, unlike the United States, and their crime rate is even lower than many countries with gun control. Using your logic, maybe the United States, rather than instituting more gun control, should adopt a system more like Switzerland? Or maybe the difference in crime has more to do with cultural factors?
Switzerland has VERY STRICT gun control laws. You can't just carry a gun for self-defence unless you have a fucking good reason. All ammunition purchased must be registered to your name, and state-issued ammunition is stored in a sealed box that is periodically inspected.
Carrying around a gun with ammunition is strictly forbidden.
High levels of gun control yes, but very strict control laws.
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Anonymous2007-09-12 8:00 ID:eCcuyfBC
Nobody in England really wants Americas gun problems, gun crime, or gun ownership in general. It would make things far worse here, you can keep your guns.
>>59
Russia's crime rate is not entirely due to it's gun policies.
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Anonymous2007-09-14 5:29 ID:Jbnh7xu8
>>57
We still don't want, or need your guns, and the UK is not Switzerland.
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Anonymous2007-09-14 8:23 ID:9gO09KvB
>>61
i visited england for business trip once and i got to say, your food is terrible, your women are homely , and your roads and houses are crapidly built.
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Anonymous2007-09-14 8:26 ID:9gO09KvB
>>59
im sure government corruption and all the leftover satist policies have nothing to do with it.
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Anonymous2007-09-14 10:43 ID:Jbnh7xu8
>>62
I doubt that many English people would disagree regarding the food ,roads and houses bit. There are some ugly slappers about too, but not all.
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Anonymous2007-09-16 2:26 ID:/3s+p0ji
>>61
So the Swiss people are trustworthy enough to own a wide range of deadly firearms, while the British are not. That doesn't say anything good about the nature and culture of the English, and it certainly says something good about the nature and culture of the Swiss.
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Anonymous2007-09-16 12:06 ID:DKOvLzTP
>>65
true that. Much like how nobody fucks with the swiss people, the swiss have their government by the balls. Easiest uprising ever, yet, they haven't. So, where is your britfag superiority you called on?
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Anonymous2007-09-17 7:28 ID:wPHCssAK
>>66
This post is a real breath of fresh air. I am so sick of haughty Britfags and U.N. lovers who think the USA is a bad country because we allow ordinary people the right to own guns. IMO, the USA should make moves toward a more Swiss-like national security system wherein everyone gets a firearm that they keep with them at all times. I'm a little hesitant to support mandatory military service, but maybe we could encourage widespread gun ownership through tax incentives for gun purchasing, provided the purchasers go to some sort of safety/target shooting/defense course? Just think - almost everyone would have guns on them. Criminals would get shot, crime would go down, we'd all be a lot safer, there'd be fewer criminals, less need for prisons, and we'd all have some pretty bitchin guns too. Cities are stupid with their gun control laws. More criminals getting shot = lower crime rates.
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Anonymous2007-09-17 7:56 ID:qvDLxkrX
>>67
I agree with much of what you say, but I don't like the idea of tax incentives, we should let the invisible hand of the free market handle economic matters.
The idea behind what I'm suggesting is that people 'earn' their tax incentive by providing a service to society in general - safety and protection. They contribute to a secure America for all the same reasons people who own guns in Switzerland contribute to a secure Switzerland. This model rewards those who fill this niche as we should. We pay cops to get trained and such, why not offer general citizens a nice tax incentive to get trained and purchase a firearm to keep with them? It is kindof like making everyone a cop.
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anonymous2007-09-17 14:52 ID:QJCA/JHu
ban something and people either do it more or move.
gun owners should pay a license fee and a surchange for accidents, and more taxes on bullets.
ditto for drug dealers and manufacturers.
decriminalize crime and license them all.
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Anonymous2007-09-17 17:53 ID:wPHCssAK
>>71
Why should I have to pay taxes on guns and bullets? Why should I have to pay a license fee? Because you hate guns and want to stop other people from owning them and protecting themselves?
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Anonymous2007-09-17 17:54 ID:wPHCssAK
>>71
We should encourage gun ownership, not discourage it. We should give financial tax incentives to individuals if they purchase firearms and attend firearms usage and safety classes.
gun ownership works one way, if you re-introduce guns into society you can't tell if you end up with a peaceful society or homes filled with people scared shitless because they think everyone has a gun.
you can argue about not taking guns away but not vice versa.
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Anonymous2007-09-19 16:44 ID:M1qClP7t
I own a gun to protect myself from those anti-gun nuts.