From the last thread:
Gothicmade PV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ728HtiUOw
The artstyle and coloring looks very dated... as if someone still hasn't moved on from what anime looked like in the early digital age of 2001-2005.
Do we honestly believe Gothicmade is happening? I sure as hell don't think they'll have a finished, 90 minute movie done by November.
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Anonymous2012-08-31 0:50
>>5
Is that list only about active/recent animators only? I don't see Kanada, Itano, Yasuji Mori or Yasuo Otsuka in there.
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Anonymous2012-08-31 0:58
>>3
It's his real name, I think.
People in 2ch's KyoAni's sakuga thread said he left KyoAni since he doesn't post in the staff blog anymore.
>>8
Nozomi Ousaka isn't involved with Chuunibyou anime as far as I know.
She drew the illustration for the novels but that's it.
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Anonymous2012-08-31 7:12
>>14
2ch have an older list which has alot more of the legends in top tier.
>Is that list only about active/recent animators only?
I'm guessing as that older list doesn't have the likes of Hironori Tanaka on it.
>>28
SAO has some neat fight animation, but it kinda annoys me how the fights tend to alternate between actual movement and mid-action stills.
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Anonymous2012-09-02 9:43
>>23
The animation wasn't that special, but the direction was excellent
>>25
No it isn't any good at all
if we're talkin' about the story because it was a really big mess a lot of random, events it was weird
in the other side, the animation looked amazing, a lot of good scenes and crazy stuff it was well-animated, i remember something like Kameda working on it
Watch it if you don't gives a shit about the story
>>27
Kazuto Nakazawa was the Character Designer and Animation Director
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Anonymous2012-09-02 13:20
Yoshiji Kigami worked on Rika Outa's episode again.
Kigami is Outa's mentor?
>>38
Thanks, can't believe I forgot about that name. I take it that's the name that he prefers to work under these days.I wonder which scene did Kigami draw for Hyouka 20...
Hironori Tanaka wasn't that active lately, even if he did something it's just small cuts, could it be that he's busy working in the new Star Driver Movie?
summer was shit, all I had was Yuruyuri for my mandatory sakooga dosage. SAO is lame, boring direction and barely any Shikama. Natsuyuki Rendezvous was disappointing as fuck, way to go Kou Matsuo. I think the only episode that was half way decent in terms of animation was the first one. Binbougami has some FX animation here and there but fuck all else, Jinrui is Seiji Kishi cancer, Kokoro Connect is so bland, I wish Oonuma didn't pull a Shinbou and put some lackey in charge of this. Tari Tari isn't even half as fun to watch as Hanasaku Iroha, Muvluv is an atrocity, the various harem shows look just as shit as I'd thought (well except maybe Koichoco), and I didn't bother with Dog Days and Rinne no Lagrange 2.
The various long running shows like Hyouka, Kuroko no Basuke, Smile Precure and SSO kinda made up for it though. Oda Nobuna is okay, dumb content though. Fuck E7:Ao its worse than the first series, and no cool visuals to back it up
oh yeah and Joshiraku is....pretty fun, thank you based Mizushima
I'd get hyped for fall right about now but I don't have it in me anymore to go along with a show just because some person I like worked on it
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Anonymous2012-09-05 17:39
Don't forget Gundumb AGE.
Thought You forgot Horizon in the middle of tits.
>>71
Perhaps you just have anime fatigue. Just take a season out and do other things. Then come back once you feel you've rested long enough. It's happened to me a few times.
But any way, let's see, Fall line up potential:
Should be visually good:
Magi - Masunari Koji directing at A1 studios w/ Toshifumi Akai as Chief AD. Might be interesting.
Zetsuen no Tempest - It's Bones, bound to have well animated scenes.
Chiinibyou - KyoAni, bound to be well animated.
Shin Sekai Yori - Masashi Ishihama's directorial debut. I get the feeling this is going to be Denno Coil levels of good in terms of animation.
K - From GoHands, I guess they are done with Mardock Scramble. This looks to have lots of cool animation in the PVs, shame it's overflowing with homoshit.
Has potential:
Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun - Brains Base.
Code;Breaker - Might be good, being done at Kinema Citrus. I recall the PVs having some good FX animation.
Kyousogiga 2 - Hope they keep up the pace of the 1st ep.
Has potential, but having low expectations:
Psycho-Pass - Production IG
Robotic Notes - Production IG
SHAFT Tier:
Hidamari Sketch Honeycomb
I wanted this to be good, but probably won't tier:
JoJo's Bizzare Adventure.
>>82
I'm hyped for Ishihama's show. Kyoani is Kyoani, GoHands is GoHands (right?), but with A-1 you never know what to expect and having Ishihama as a director and the PVs looking like they do, I'm expecting to have visual orgasms. Somehow it has a very Dennou Coil feeling, like you said. And the director could (and probably will) make use of some contacts and have really good standout scenes.
I really don't want this show to be disappointing animation-wise, I need it not to be, since the story also seems promising and the setting begs for some eye candy.
Any news on the airing date for it?
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Anonymous2012-09-06 9:45
>>82
That's some very high expectations of Shin Sekai, I doubt A-1 would give it the budget and time that Dennou Coil had.
Loving the PV, I have a higher expectation of this show now.
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Anonymous2012-09-07 8:46
>>106
Do you think it could rival Chuunibyou's animation? Personally I think this and K seem to be the strongest contenders to what KyoAni has in store.
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Anonymous2012-09-07 9:15
>>107
It doesn't look THAT strong. But I can imagine we'll get some outstanding cuts every so often.
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Anonymous2012-09-07 9:19
>>107
I have a really high expectations for K, so yes, I'm expecting it to rival KyoAni's.
As for SSY, it definitely has the potential to, but I don't think the producers will give them the time and budget needed though. I'm expecting more of the art direction and digital composition rather than the animation itself honestly.
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Anonymous2012-09-07 9:20
>>108
I don't expect any show to match Chuuni in terms of animation consistency, but it would be interesting to see cuts that may be able to best KyoAni's.
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Anonymous2012-09-07 9:24
K looks like shit; I hate it's style of animation and I hate it's abuse of bloom-filters.
SSY has more appealing CD and art direction.
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Anonymous2012-09-07 9:30
Apparently there was some livestream on Nico for Shin Sekai Yori, some look at the character designs here.
>>109
Ishihama's been chewed out badly by shitty schedules in the past. Speed Grapher and Welcome the the NHK to name a few.
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Anonymous2012-09-07 10:21
>>111
Post processing is starting to take off the ground in anime nowadays, expect to see it a lot more often. Since we're in the early stages of it, don't expect it to mature for another good 5 years.
Digital anime itself has only started becoming good recently, some of those shows made 2000-2006 had some really shitty digital composition work on them. It's also why Gothichmade looks so rubbish, it's still using techniques from that era.
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Anonymous2012-09-07 10:36
>>114
Hasn't there been a fair amount of shows that use post processing since the mid-2000s?
SSY seems to have really good scheduling, tho. PVs show stuff that shouldn't happen in the actual show until episode 4-5. And they have the same staff for episodes 1-2.
K has a really shitty color palette(judging from the PV)
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Anonymous2012-09-07 12:13
>>118
Green and blue really is a strange combination, not to mention it's heavily used even for daytime scenes.
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Anonymous2012-09-07 12:58
GoHands are still fresh from Mardock Scramble, so it is understandable that they will use similar composition to that. I hope as they start doing more shows they'll abandon the permafilter.
Is it true that the last two episodes from EAO7 won't be broadcasted ? Any scheduling problems by the overly punctual BONES studio ?
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Anonymous2012-09-08 9:12
>>129
Ah this makes sense, he was saying on twitter a while back he wasn't sure another enshutsu/episode director would be able to interpret the storyboard he drew.
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Anonymous2012-09-08 9:39
>>131
That would be depressing if it were true. Perhaps their team being split up on AO and the Star Driver movie means they had some trouble?
>>140
>watch Ohira's episode 11.5 on youtube
>people commenting about how shitty the animation looks
why
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Anonymous2012-09-08 13:12
>>141
Because it doesn't look like the anime they know. It's not big pointy eyes, angular chins and big rainbow coloured hair. Pokemon, Dragonball, YGO and Sailor Moon is what the average person expects from anime.
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Anonymous2012-09-08 14:39
>>141
To the average person, character design consistency equals good animation. If something disregards that it's automatically deemed cheap and shitty.
Being a sakuga fan on the internet is pretty shitty unless you somehow enjoy arguing with people like that.
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Anonymous2012-09-08 15:30
Man do I adore Mr. Imaishi! His latest compilation of all-time favorite pencil drawings is just lovely:
I apologize because of the quality of the scans; there is a little problem of banding (rainbow effect) specially noticeable on the color images. The glossy finish of those makes it more obvious, and even after a recalibration it still happens. Maybe there is a problem with the carriage or a interference with the lamps, I'll try to look into an easy solution. Sorry for that, guys!
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Anonymous2012-09-08 15:47
>>144
Thank you! You are awesome! I will probably suck your dick.
So, I don't know if this question ever popped up in the previous threads, but what do you guys think are the anime series with the best animation ever?
>>146
That Vaikanfu in the background >>144
Thanks man, you're awesome!
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Anonymous2012-09-09 6:53
>>149
Yeah, it definitely looks like his work and I think he's a good fit for a show like this. Let's just hope there's no pulleys this time around, ww.
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Anonymous2012-09-09 7:42
>>151
Xam´d lost memories, easily the best looking TV anime ever.
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Anonymous2012-09-09 8:01
>>156
I'd add Star Driver to your TV shows list, other than that, I agree.
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Anonymous2012-09-09 8:04
>>159
Hmm, I wouldn't say it's that great, the mecha animation looked brilliant but the character side left things to be desired. But it's certainly a top contender for the last few years at least.
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Anonymous2012-09-09 9:28
Rahxephon 15
Iso Mitsuo ep
Gaiking LEGEND OF DAIKU-MARYU 13
Tatsuzo Nihida as AD
NARUTO 133
Norio Matsumoto
King Gainer 14
Kenichi Yoshida as AD
Zettai Karen Children 27, 37
AHO ep
Hayate no Gotoku 39
Gainax ep
Aquarion 19
Satoru Utsunomiya ep
Abenobashi 3
Yoshinari brothers.
Star Driver 25
Bones full power
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Anonymous2012-09-09 10:07
Dennou Coil is definitely king in consistency + amount of impressive cuts. Inoue power.
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Anonymous2012-09-09 11:10
>>161
Eureka Seven 26
Masayuki Miyaji x Ayumi Kurashima x Kenichi Yoshida
So I guess that leaves them for next episode then which would be more logical since it's finale. Those very expressive movements seemed like something I'd see from Ishidate.
I understand people like collecting stuff because they are fans, but why does Madoka get so many KA/Genga collections? The animation on the show wasn't that good. Yeah it had a few standout scenes, but that's just like most other 12 episode shows.
If it had standout scene every episode or was stylishly awesome like Kaiba or Tatami Galaxy, I could understand. I dunno, maybe I'm just looking at it wrong.
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Anonymous2012-09-11 15:36
@206, Popularity? You know it's going to sell, just because it has the Madoka label on it.
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Anonymous2012-09-11 15:43
Figured it'd probably be something like that.
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Anonymous2012-09-11 17:06
>>206
If i'm gonna buy this one, i'll buy it just for Nozomu Abe cuts they were freaking good
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Anonymous2012-09-11 17:22
More of a Imamura fan. Too bad he only did one scene in Madoka.
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Anonymous2012-09-11 19:30
Horizon II ep 10 was really awesome.
Kanta Suzuki as an action director.
8 studio is the best studio.
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Anonymous2012-09-11 20:23
>>207
Probably this. If there's one of the KA books worth getting it would probably episode 10's. I was sorely tempted to buy that one.
Given Takashi Hashimoto replied, could he also be part of the finale? Bari seems to be confirmed by KenO.
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Anonymous2012-09-12 11:29
Why is Nichijou such a sakuga fest. I mean, I really didn't see much CG in it.
Meanwhile, Hyouka has a lot of CG. It was masked pretty well so I have no complaints but still.
So does that mean Nichijou probably had a fuckload of budget compared to Hyouka?
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Anonymous2012-09-12 12:11
>>215
Rebuild has a ton of CGi, I bet that means it has a slow budget!
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Anonymous2012-09-12 12:56
>>215
Hyouka is also a "sakuga fest", and good CG isn't cheap.
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Anonymous2012-09-12 13:31
Yeah, speaking of that Rebuild has a lot of shitty CGi, especially in 2.0 - money wasted.
Actually, scratch that. The only good use of CGi in Rebuild was the Ramiel fight.
Fuck, I hope 3.0 gets better at it or even better, does away completely with the 3DCG. 3DCG doesn't even count as animation I say. It's puppeteering. When I watch a freaking anime, I want to see animation. If I wanted to see (virtual or otherwise) puppets, I'd watch the Muppets instead.
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Anonymous2012-09-12 13:33
>216
What the fuck is a slow budget?
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Anonymous2012-09-12 15:03
>>219
Similar to a low budget, except I can't type to save my life.
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Anonymous2012-09-12 18:14
CG is actually rather expensive on an entry level. If you use a lot of it, it becomes cheaper: like Macross Frontier using the same mecha/Vajra models etcetera. However, doing CG angel models that will only appear in a single scene was probably more expensive than doing it in 2D. It was a (shitty) creative choice to make it look more alien.
Oh c'mon guys I didn't say Hyouka is cheap/low budget but I'm just asking was Nichijou just way beyond the budget Hyouka had?
I mean I'm just REALLY impressed with Nichijou and how it had little CG in them. IMO it almost outdone Lucky Star's outrageous scenes. It certainly is a creative outburst in the animation side.
I'm not saying Hyouka had no merits. In fact I like a lot of things about Hyouka's technical side and found it to be a step up compared to their general works.
In any case thanks for the heads up about probably CG cost.
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Anonymous2012-09-12 22:38
>>224
We won't ever know the budget for both shows unless KyoAni releases the numbers. I'm pretty sure Nichijou made use of CGI as well.
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Anonymous2012-09-12 23:02
The director said something like Nichijou used more drawings(per episode, I assume) than any previous KyoAni shows.
>>236
I don't think anyone here is really serious about that trailer, anyone with common sense will be reserving their judgements for when the show airs.
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Anonymous2012-09-13 5:49
>>237
The one that had actual footage did have good animation.
>That's only one of the rare cases where you can spot them.
It still looks good aside from the fuck up with the door and blackboard. The last row of chairs (where Yuko and Mai are sitting) is aligned with the back door instead of the bulletin board as if they suddenly moved back.
That aside the transition to 2D is pretty much seamless.
>>265
Low I think, it's by one of the lesser Boness studios. He's also busy working on *something* so we'll have to wait and see what it turns out to be.
Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo (ChuChu, 2010)
Yuri Seijin Naoko-san (ufotable, 2011)
Theatrical Movie
BLOOD-C: The Last Dark (Production IG, 2012)
The Borrower Arrietty (Studio Ghibli, 2010)
Fullmetal Alchemist: The Sacred Star of Milos (BONES, 2011)
K-On! Movie (Kyoto Animation, 2011)
A Letter to Momo (Production IG, 2012)
Niji-Iro Hotaru: Eien no Natsu Yasumi (Toei Animation, 2012)
Onigamiden (Studio Pierrot, 2011)
Redline (Madhouse, 2009)
Welcome to the Space Show (A-1 Pictures, 2010)
The Wolf Children Ame and Yuki (Madhouse, 2012)
Star Driver finale is in the "must watch episodes" list.
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Anonymous2012-09-15 12:49
>>274
Shit, I still don't know why Gaiking LODM is on that list.
Like yeah, it has about 4-6 episodes with awesome animation. But the 32 or so other episodes look so damn terrible. If Gaiking LODM can be on the list, Star Driver sure as hell can.
What hurts even more is the fact that KyoAni doesn't apply the SHAFT treatment to their bluray releases - it'll never be fixed. I really wish those KyoAni is copying SHAFT trolls were right on this one single matter.
Otaking is the definition of rotoscoping the hell out of it.
But the FX looks good though, sadly characters are plain bullshit.
Just look at the head of some characters. Wonderful body motion but the head is animated like shit. if he was skilled the head would be as good as the whole body.
I respect this animator though because of all the effort.
Sadly, I prefer quality rather than quantity.
thumb up for all the effort and the cool FX.
Thumbs down for the fake characters.
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Anonymous2012-09-16 18:31
>>302
Yeah, he admits the rotoscoping and character animation looks bad.
Though some of his earlier stuff in the past has looked reaaaaaaly bad. This is actually an improvement.
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Anonymous2012-09-16 20:51
>>298
I agree that it wasn't as impressive as 21, but that wasn't rough or unpolished at all. And well, that parade was meant to look like that since Houtarou was overwhelmed and almost passed out. Wasn't much of a fan either but I can see where they were going with it.
That said, amazing photography and the same insane attention to detail they've been putting to the entire show. Hyouka will be missed.
>>304
Yeah, it wasn't as good as the previous episode, but the episode still looked good. KyoAni has gotten a lot better at digital composition so I'm looking forward to seeing what sort of cinematography they will pull off in Chuunibyou.
I disagree I still find this good. Regarding the parade, well it could've been better I guess, but I found that approach really appropriate given the circumstances of the scene and what they wanted to depict.
Well it ain't ep 21 but this was still handled pretty well.
The mech animation director was Noriyuki Kitanohara.
He's teaching at KyoAni's animation school right now.
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Anonymous2012-09-19 11:11
>>338
A quick glance on ANN, he seems to be working on the KyoAni shows as ep director and storyboarded.
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Anonymous2012-09-19 12:59
>Raito-kun tweets again
ｷﾀ――(ﾟ∀ﾟ)――!!
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Anonymous2012-09-19 13:04
RAITO-KUN!
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Anonymous2012-09-19 13:31
>>338 >>339
Yes, Kitanohara can do mechs and action, but he is only one guy. Even if you count Ishidate and Kigami who aren't really mecha buffs, that's only three animators. I'm sure that they must have some guy who likes drawing action and mechanical stuff somewhere in their studio/school. They're pretty big, after all.
>>340
Oh man, I hope he doesn't disappear for months again.
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Anonymous2012-09-19 15:01
Wow! Bahi is actually working on a movie?
Thought it was just another animated short by 4C.
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Anonymous2012-09-19 18:48
>>343
We don't talk about Bahi any more. Otaking is our new overlord.
>>347
What Shin Ei Doga again, is it a separate studio or something part of KyoAni?
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Anonymous2012-09-19 22:09
>>346
KenO was saying Obari's cut was pretty awesome.
I dunno if KenO was just being polite to his senior/mentor or if it actually was some good Obari animation - I only say this as the guy hasn't animated anything properly good for a long time now - atleast not like he used to back in the 80s and 90s. I like the stuff in the 2nd and 3rd Gundam AGE OPs, they were cool, but they were like 1 second long and were your usual short movements to stylish poses if you get my meaning.
I don't want to get too hyped and then get let down and just see he's just done a bunch of stills and pans.
Also I think he also did some cuts for another finale, it's either Accel World or Eureka AO. I'm leaning more towards AC since that has Kabashima and Yamane working on it.
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Anonymous2012-09-19 22:15
>>350
I think it was the studio that Kigami was at before joining KyoAni
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Anonymous2012-09-19 23:14
>>350
Shin-Ei Doga is a studio that animated Doraemon and Shinchan.
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Anonymous2012-09-19 23:17
>>352
They're the ones who make Doraemon and Shin-Chan, a veteran studio of sorts. Kyoani subcontracted a ton of work from them, apart of Kigami being raised in there.
There's coincidentally a nice post on raito-kun's blog that covers this.
>Shin-ei Douga – a studio famous for anime like Doraemon and Shin-chan – still carries on the legacy of the pivotal Toei Douga era (late 1950′s and 1960′s) and has been nurturing many talents over the years.
>The Toei Douga “philosophy” was a trend in Japanese animation to stay closer to Disney’s principles, which means – as opposed to Tezuka‘s limited and over-expressionistic animation – to breath life into the characters through fluid movements and more literal acting.
Some nostalgiafag who loves that old anime shading style. I don't think he's as obsessed over that sort of style these days though.
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Anonymous2012-09-19 23:49
>>356
You do know he was trolling everyone, really successfully, with those image right? Like, he pretty much admits he made images which were really biased and made to upset people.
That said, he does like his old school stuff, but he's also looking at new shows and appreciates their animations too (iirc he's enjoyed Gurren Lagann and Soul Eater)
>>364
I like the artstyle, it's fits JoJo's weird aesthetic. However the animation is pretty average. Hopefully we can get those sakuga bumps every few weeks.
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Anonymous2012-09-20 11:12
>>368
I always have to look his name up because there are like 4 other Yamashita's in the animation industry.
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Anonymous2012-09-20 13:40
>>351
He did some pretty good cuts in SRW OG The Inspector. Sure his style changed a bit, but it felt even more unique than his older works.
>>375
Is it just me or there's something unsettling about that shot of Sakura spinning and smiling, the background/camera moves way too much. Its weird.
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Anonymous2012-09-20 19:50
>>373
So that's the Shin Sekai Yori Special. Interesting that Kubota is working right there, guess that means his involvement with Robotic;Notes is going to be pretty minimal. Also Ishihama saying they won't be using any shadows on the characters, it's all going to be single tones. With (I am guessing) post processing filters added to give it atmosphere and sense of depth.
>>387
Fumoffu aired Summer/Fall 2003
TSR aired Summer 2005
I'm looking at TSR here and I can only spot Horiuchi as the character designer and sakkan with the Gonzo connection.
The others are to do with sound and script like Gatoh.
Though I don't think it was outsourced, though certain episodes had "Production Assistance" from Animation Do.
Fumoffu on the other hand, have 5 episodes have 1/3 of animation done by "Ani Village" - I don't know if that would constitute as full outsourcing.
For me their current style comes more from K-On!/Clannad (especially late Clannad AS) than Lucky Star.
Lucky Star made the upcoming trend they had of low-key animation acting (as opposed to stylization and hyperbolization) popular in the studio, but the designs that were being animated were still very stylized and cartoonized for anime standards. With Clannad and especially K-On! they went to a higher level in that regard, and a fundamental one when it comes to the type of consistency they have and the atmosphere that their shows convey.
In any case, at the very least I think the character designs for K-On! are great, because they are all-purpose designs very suited for being animated and played around with in various ways. The art style might not appeal to everyone (>chipmunks) but they are perfect for the type of animation Horiguchi and the ones that follow her style do.
>>391
Well those mecha designers are ones who originally designed the mechs from the novel. It's no different to the original character designers from VNs/LNs/Mangas
>This wasn't entirely done by them.
What about Haruhi or Clannad? The story, character designs and in Clannad's case, the music were all done before hand. That's never stopped them.
>>392
Some people would like to see it completed. Why would a completed novel hinder an anime production? All the more reason as the end is a fixed point and no more need to postpone seasons because the author is still writing the novels(Haruhi or Hyouka for example).
>Also, the story doesn't age well.
lolwat you're making it sound like it's from the 1970s.
I know some people hate the idea of KyoAni doing more FMP(oh no mechashit, FMP has terrible plot and characters), they just want more cute girls doing cute things, but some of these excuses are hilarious.
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Anonymous2012-09-21 12:30
As if doing more FMP depended on KyoAni at all. If anything, we're closer to FMP4 than ever, considering Hyouka had Takemoto and Gatoh.
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Anonymous2012-09-21 13:19
>>396
Because Kadokawa uses anime to promote their novels first and foremost. So why bother promoting something that is already finished and popular? Doing it for the disc sales wouldn't make sense either since TSR did not sell well.
FMP would only get adapted if there's a genuine interest within the studio. If Kadokawa is going to let them do any FMP, it would be the the spin-off instead, since the sales could use some boost.
>I know some people hate the idea of KyoAni doing more FMP(oh no mechashit, FMP has terrible plot and characters), they just want more cute girls doing cute things, but some of these excuses are hilarious.
>DURR HURR
This is why I hate some FMP fans like you.
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Anonymous2012-09-21 14:50
Why are we talking about FMP, anyway?
The anime wasn't even that well-animated.
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Anonymous2012-09-21 15:01
>>399
I'm aware, just saying that they worked together at KyoAni again.
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Anonymous2012-09-21 17:59
>This is why I hate some FMP fans like you.
More like whenever someone brings up the idea of more FMP everyone collectively shits on FMP - Is it so bad for a fan to want a continuation only for everyone else- especially people who've never ever watched it to say "Nah it's shit, I hate mecha, I hope KyoAni never touch it ever again"
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Anonymous2012-09-21 18:30
>>402
But no one here complained about FMP? Just shut the fuck up already.
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Anonymous2012-09-21 20:13
>>394
Star Driver trailer.
Kazuto no Basket.
AGE Final episode.
>why do reviews always compliment anime for having beautiful animation when objectively speaking it's shit compared to what Disney was doing even 20years ago
>>431
Most people can't tell the difference between animation and art - or rather, they don't know the difference and most times when they say "animation" they mean the art.
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Anonymous2012-09-22 22:34
>>432
Probably.
Someone was saying Imaishi might be on this...
So is paying animators with fixed salary(KyoAni, American Studios) more efficient than paying by cuts(Japanese studios, Korean studios) or not? http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/71959259
>>442
Can't say without having any concrete numbers.
I'd imagine that it's more efficient for KyoAni since they put a lot of frames into their productions more than others, but that's just a silly assumption.
>>442 the answer ist yes, it is more efficient to get payed by a fixed salary.
salary animators are very rich compared to those cut people and they work less for more money.
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Anonymous2012-09-23 6:33
Otaking is ignorant, he thinks everything that looks overly detailed is the real shit.
both detail shit and simple shit are good.
I dont believe any word this guy says because he is fucking obsessed with the 80s.
I guess he will also hate Hisashi Mori's new movie
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Anonymous2012-09-23 6:40
Gundam AGE #Final
Michinori Chiba, Kim, Kamogawa, Eiji Komatsu, Yoshikazu Tomita, Junichi Hayama, Obari, KenOh, Kanetake Ebikawa.
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Anonymous2012-09-23 6:44
>>442
No doubt about it.
Put it this way. Animators earn less money than someone working a basic job at a McDonalds.
Animators work long hours and pay varies wildly since if they get less work one month, they get paid less.
>>448
Eh, having seen him post on /m/ the past few years - I'd say he's mellowed out a lot in that regard, he says those charts he made were totally biased and I can imagine he just did it to rile up and annoy people.
Like it was mentioned, he doesn't mind loose visuals, he enjoyed Kanada's Birth and enjoyed modern works like Soul Eater and Gurren Lagann - even though he used to bitch about FLCL and shows that used to look like it.
I think he was just ignorant of many things in the past, but nowadays, he's discovered sakuga too and he doesn't say those stupid things any more.
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Anonymous2012-09-23 6:47
>>442
I don't know about economic efficiency, but it sure helps to make the awesome looking things Kyoani makes. Having employees better-paid and with more stability makes work less stressing and increases motivation.
It's funny that the thread had to be derailed just for some discussion to come in. I mean trolling 101 up until 3/4 of the thread. I'm glad the CG disucssion got a little better.
>It was made in 2003 as an animation showcase because Kyoani was looking for producers to give them money to produce a full show by themselves.
Is this true?
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Anonymous2012-09-23 8:26
>>453
Trolling is the only way to get people to talk about anything animation related on /a/
If you just start with "I like X animation" or "X is a cool animator" you get like 2 replies.
>>450
I knew it Otaking, you are on sakuga thread. XD you bastard haha! just kidding.
anyway glad you are not the ignorant ass we thought you were.
As mentioned, also some simple stuff can look good, it depends on.
There are bad animes in the 80's but there are also bad animes now. nothing has changed at all.
Lots of names I don't know, I could spot: Se Jun Kim, Munetaka Abe, Eiji Komatsu, Toru Yoshida, Yuichi Nakazawa, Junichi Hayama, Masami Obari and Ken Otsuka
Who is this Hiroshi Karata?
Why is he the only animator listed on ANN's FMP page?
Is there anything special about him?
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Anonymous2012-09-23 15:30
>>468
I don't know if about that animator, but ANN's listings for FMP seems incomplete.
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Anonymous2012-09-23 16:05
ANN is user edited, probably nobody's gotten round to filling the rest of the staff details in...
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Anonymous2012-09-23 16:11
>>467
I think most of them. Yamakan is obviously no longer there. Horuichi is also an outsider. But the rest of the episode directors/storyboarders and animation directors are still at KyoAni.
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Anonymous2012-09-23 20:26
Gundam AGE finale was pretty unimpressive.
I expected Kim Se Jun to do something cool, but didn't see anything.
Obari did some weird effect animation thing: http://imgur.com/a/LAOCm - It didn't seem all that impressive *shrugs*
Star Driver ep 25 still the best mecha sakuga bonanza for a mecha show in recent times.
>>494
I think what he meant to say is the "delusion" scenes. Obviously he didn't get that through at all.
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Anonymous2012-09-25 8:49
>>496
>When you put budget in animating characters moving other parts of their body than their mouth when they only need to deliver irrelevant lines about how the sky happens to be blue
That doesn't sound like delusion scene to me.
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Anonymous2012-09-25 8:50
Also, Hyouka has "delusion" scenes only in the first tree episodes.
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Anonymous2012-09-25 8:54
>>496
Oh yeah, sorry, I misread. I somehow thought you linked his previous post and the one you linked was just another guy being sarcastic. I hoped so, but whatever.
>>498
To me it sounds like an ignorant who got too accustomed to anime's infamous "mouth-flapping" and felt confused by a show actually animating characters like they were persons and not pages of a manga.
I don't know how he could stand any high-budget show with that mentality.
Anyway thanks for whoever of you posted the pic with Ishidate,Yamada(?), and Nishiya.
We still ain't got nothing on any Horiguchi pics huh. I remember one video of someone doing an illustration of Lucky Star. Though like intended it was only focused one the illustration process. Best bet is that'll be Horiguchi.
Aside from the usual commentary, segments regarding animation wise nothing. Dunno about the goods though if it had any related tidbits.
Other than that up vol.1-3 contained OP recording, BGM recording, and location scouting. It may have even showed the original idea for the ED in vol. 1's location scouting.
Just watched the location scouting videos of FMP:TSR with Takemoto + Gatoh commentaries, they are really entertaining.
This two dudes could become a comedy duo.
Also, Takemoto called the director of episode 4 Miyochi(without san).
Kinda weird.
I guess it wasn't allowed to publicly reveal it's Kigami's pen name back then.
From the New World preview info
25 Episodes.
ED(EP3?) by Shingo Yamashita? It looks like Yamashita's Naruto ED.
And episode 3 is the Kanada art style. Jun Arai?
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Anonymous2012-09-25 20:34
>>512
How the hell are they going to manage Jun Arai?
Ishihama said the show has a no shadow policy on the characters.
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Anonymous2012-09-25 20:43
>>513
Then I guess he will put even more shading on the effects to compensate for the characters.
>>526
It's A-1+Aniplex so it could very well get a good budget. What's sure is that Takao will do the best she can with whatever resources she gets.
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Anonymous2012-09-26 13:13
>>534
>What's sure is that Takao will do the best she can with whatever resources she gets.
That I don't doubt. Even if she doesn't get a lot of budget for the animation, I'm certain that she can make use of everything else to keep the production value high.
>>547
Interesting to see that KyoAni are bothering to animate promotional scenes
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Anonymous2012-09-27 4:34
Oh man, that one guy in the SSY thread who keeps insisting that A-1 has an in-house art style. I really pity the anon who was raging at him.
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Anonymous2012-09-27 7:43
>>548
The kind of thing you can allow yourself to do if your scheduling is really good, I guess. The fake OP/ED were hilarious because of what they poked fun of and this intro kept me smiling all the way through as well. None of them has specially good animation, but I appreciate the effort they're taking to promote the series. It's really warming me up to it, wasn't that excited about it since I loved Hyouka and this looked like a step back.
>>549
It seems to be a really widespread opinion, which really confuses me because A-1 is one of the studios with the least in-house staff. No idea where this is coming from.
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Anonymous2012-09-27 8:05
>No idea where this is coming from.
Similarities in Kannagi and Sora no Woto, and im@s to a lesser extent. There's also SAO and Working having similar designs. I guess people just don't know that A-1 works differently from the typical anime studio.
The Shin Sekai Yori staff is pretentious as shit. At least they have ambitious, I guess.
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Anonymous2012-09-27 23:52
>>566
I have just begun reading but lol at anime journalism
>I first had the idea for it over 30 years ago when I'd just entered university. It came to me after I read the book, On Aggression, published in 1970 by Australian ethologist Roland Lorenz
that would be AUSTRIAN ethologist KONRAD Lorenz
Who fucked up here? The interviewed subject (probably not)? The translator who didn't understand what was said (and how reliable is the rest of the interview then)? ANN who can't do basic fact checking or editing? (Duh)
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Anonymous2012-09-28 2:34
>>566
>implying Shin Sekai Yori won't save the anime industry
I'm actually interested in seeing how Sanzigen will pull this off.
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Anonymous2012-09-28 3:11
>>569
Judging from the trailer, I'm guessing "not very well".
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Anonymous2012-09-28 3:24
>>570
I thought the CGI effects like explosions were not bad, but I'm not too sure about the character animations. It just annoys me how they are sticking to they style of limited animation in a full CGI production.
Was this really in the commentaries/locations pot vids? If he did say this was this serious?
Can't download them right now but I'm laughing really hard either way. If this turns out to be true then so much for KyoAni doing mecha.
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Anonymous2012-09-28 5:00
>>571
The effects are alright, but the characters move around in such stiff, awkward ways that just bugs the crap out of me. Considering the movie will probably feature them more than the effects, I don't have high hopes for it.
>>572
>If this turns out to be true then so much for KyoAni doing mecha.
Was that ever something anybody was legitimately expecting?
In any case they have really gone so far already. Their staff is much larger and their workforce seems more adequate than before. If ever they wanted do try to expand and try something else, this genre seems less viable than before.
Seems like the production was pretty rough for them back then.
He said that episode 4 (which is quite mecha-heavy) was awful to the animation department. He allowed the episode director(Kigami) to cut as many things from the script as he wanted, but Kigami kept almost everything from the script.
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Anonymous2012-09-28 6:26
Well given the quality of production they made FMP with, I can imagine it was hard work seeing as they were a pretty small studio back then. Nowadays they have all their big hits, it's probably much easier now.
Here's hoping we see them stem out a little bit from their forte.
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Anonymous2012-09-28 9:19
I wouldn't mind another SOL season like Fumoffu, that way they can ease back into the characters and setting. SOL and Comedy are KyoAni's strong points and Fumoffu was pretty funny.
Animation is okay, there were some nice cuts, overall I'd say it's more or less as expected.
What surprised me was the digital composition and art direction of it. They managed to put some very colorful and quirky shots (like Yamashita's part) in a setting that normally demands complete realism.
I'm really digging the color palette too.
More than the art composition, I found the direction and atmosphere really good. I don't think we've had a show this genuinely moody since... Shigurui, maybe?
>>600
I thought the CGI work was alright, Production I.G. tends to be rather good at that sort of thing.
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Anonymous2012-09-29 10:00
Speaking of CGI, what did you guys think of the CGI in Code Geass: Akito the Exiled?
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Anonymous2012-09-29 10:03
it was nicely shaded but it still stuck out a bit. The compositions for the fights were great though, reminded me a lot of Imaishi's/Amemiya's work on BRS
>>609
Miyazawa's scene should have been there. Some other scenes that comes to my mind
Kite:Liberator (Takeuchi)
Phantom Quest Corp (Utsunomiya)
Koike's Animatrix
And maybe (and since I was reminded of this earlier I'm going to namedrop it for the second time today) something from Nakamura's/Morimoto's/Fukushima's Future Police Urashiman episode(s, but mainly ep 26 if I recall correctly). I wonder if it is as good as I remember it? I'm gonna check it out again now.
The animation felt more dated than I remembered it but there's a reason it left such a good impression in the first place. There's just this energy in it that makes me like it. It's an action anime and there's action in it from the beginning to the end with just enough stops giving room for breathing. It also helps that the plot is nonsensical and free from any attempts at awkward drama. Just as the plot constantly moves there's always something physically moving on the screen. And the running scene that left an impression on me was there. It's not because the animation was "technically" so amazing perhaps but because so much happens in a matter of a few seconds.
All this in a 1980s TV anime animated by three people.
Recommended for: anyone curious about these influential animators, anyone looking for something that has the energy of stuff like Dead Leaves, people curious about good animation in older anime, Kenji Kamiyama
>>622 >>623
Because he's the hero anime deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hate him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
>a director from an "Animemirai" project asked me to participate, but priority was to be in Japan, so I couldn't
>also, I was in Paris 2 weeks doing character-design for another anime (japan x france collaboration) that's all I can tell about it now
Dat Bahi
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Anonymous2012-09-29 17:58
>>626
Bahi sure is going places. What's this Animemirai thing anyway?
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Anonymous2012-09-29 18:10
>>627
It's the "young animator training project" thing. I don't think it was called Animemirai until this year though.
just discovered this animator, she worked for Kon and Miyazaki http://ayasuzuki.blogspot.co.at/
but there is no access to her animations, can't really tell if she is good or so so.
Don't they still have like 6 Berserk movies to produce?
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Anonymous2012-09-29 18:57
>>639
There's only one more left to be shown in theaters, and going by the first movie's blu ray sales I doubt we'd see any more Berserk anime in the near future.
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Anonymous2012-09-29 19:06
>>638 that would make sense. What if he was talking about some guys from Tekkon & Yuasa films? Maybe he ment Nobutake Ito, he worked with him on Apollon #7 on the same scene.
I'm fairly certain that Shingo Yamashita did that running bit towards the end of Sacred 7 ep 9. Looked like his effects anyway, especially when MC was in the air.
>The lack of originality and the desire for exclusivity by the fandom has created a highly transparent industry. Mr Yamamoto affirms that the creators and the fans are “too close.” This is the biggest reason behind the isolation of the anime industry. The creators feel too obligated to please their fans, and the fans naturally expect the creators of anime to cater to them specifically, as opposed to society at large. This negative feedback loop simply exacerbates the problem over time, and now we have an industry that has boxed itself into a dead end.
>He goes on to cite Shinbo of Shaft as one of the prime suspects of this type of exclusive humor. Instead of striving to satisfy one particular niche repeatedly, says Yamamoto, anime directors should allow everyone to enjoy their works equally. References and homages to other anime should be inserted in a way that is both subtle and unobstructive, serving as an “Easter egg” for die-hard fans. Allowing references and parodies to become the main vehicle of humor dramatically diminishes the amount of people that are able to watch and enjoy a certain show.
>"Nowadays, good animation doesn't good sales, most otakus barely even notice good animation quality, only sakuga fags happy to see animation
>For example, Denno Coil and Birdy: Decode sale fail to live up to sakuga fags's hype, compare to Bakemonogatari win the Otaku market." he said.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 5:23
>"Nowadays, good animation doesn't good sales, most otakus barely even notice good animation quality, only sakuga fags happy to see animation
Shin Sekai Yori #1
Kubota as an animation director
Mamoru Sasaki, Hirokazu Kojima, Takashi Kojima, Megumi Kouno, Many Gainax animators and Shingo Yamashita.
>>676
Shinsekai Yori's animation was solid, so that's a good start. Now K and Chuunbyou are the other 2 shows where I have expectations of the animation. I'm actually interested in Psycho-Pass too, but I'm not sure what to expect, animation-wise.
Wasn't someone saying Magi might also have some good animation?
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Anonymous2012-09-30 14:53
Meduka - a library of KA books
K-On - some plastic cards
>what else is there so far?
Unless you mean aired so far...the show I look forward to the most is Magi. Masunari's name is a guarantee that there will be good animation.
>>687
Should have good sakuga, can't say much about the story
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Anonymous2012-09-30 15:25
>>688
What makes you think it should be well-animated? Think Nakamura or Kameda will be doing something?
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Anonymous2012-09-30 15:37
>>689
Well, it's by Studio BONES and Ando is the director.
It should be a pretty well animated show.
I can't imagine BONES making a badly animated show, even if it turns out to be low-tier by BONES standards, that's still alot better than your average anime.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 15:40
>>690
I guess I might consider picking it up then, though I'm not sure about the story. Quite a few shows with potentially good animation this season.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 16:01
>>685
But... that's wrong. Not saying that the 500 KA books they're releasing are justified, but Madoka has many great cuts.
And most "great cuts" in the show are decent at best.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 16:21
>>693
Some of the cuts are pretty good, especially Imamura's. But obviously Madoka isn't what I would call a "sakuga anime".
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Anonymous2012-09-30 16:58
>>692
Madoka had 3 episodes with good animation. Most Notably those with Imamura, H. Tanaka and Genichrou Abe.
Those eps were 3, 10 and the finale. Most of the other episodes were the usual corner cutting snore fests.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 17:00
Also, what's with the increase in activity down here?
We've made 250+ posts in 7 days.
>>696
New season, so there's quite some stuff to discuss? That or there are more people interested in discussing animation.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 17:22
Fall anime sakuga prediction
Sakuga stuff
- From the New World
- Zetsuen no Tempest
Will look really good but not "sakuga anime"-tier
- Chuunibyou (KyoAni is over-rated, in my opinion)
- K
- Code:Breaker
- Magi
- Psycho-Pass
- Robotics;Notes
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Anonymous2012-09-30 17:38
"sakuga" tier?
I thought we just used that term jokingly, it doesn't actually mean anything. I don't really understand what makes Zetsuen no Tempest a candidate when it doesn't exactly look stellar based off of its promo material. Similarly, Chuunibyou isn't a candidate because Kyoani is overrated?
yeah nah, go back /a/
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Anonymous2012-09-30 17:39
>>699
I'd say Chuunibyou, K and Shinsekai Yori have the potential for consistent, good animation. The rest that you listed will probably have various standout cuts distributed across various episodes.
>>702
Did Yamakan do any animation for that, or was he just the director?
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Anonymous2012-09-30 17:51
so guys, what are the chances of Mitsuo Iso showing up on either Magi, Shin Sekai Yori or Robotics;Notes? R;N has a plethora of old Dennou Coil staffers and A-1 did somehow get him to work on Welcome to the Space Show (under a pseudonym albeit). Surely he was tempted by SOMETHING to work on that movie, I have no idea what. Its just a shame, he's the ultimate animator that anime desperately needs right now
well I guess he'll pop back up sooner or later, Toshiyuki Inoue also went under the radar for quite a while until last year
>>708
So what are you basing your chuu2koi prediction on? The fake OP/ED? The also fake "lite" episode? Definitely not the only PV with actual footage, since that had some great animation.
Ouch, I should've just kept quiet with my opinion, cause it looks like I offended some hardcore KyoAni fans. Opinions people, learn to accept them. And I'm not saying it looks bad, it looks "really good".
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Anonymous2012-09-30 18:21
>>719
I was just asking WHAT doesn't look very good, since most of what KyoAni has put out isn't real footage.
>>709 here, I'm not particularly offended or anything, but I'm just surprised that you think the likes of Zetusuen will be animated better than Chuuni when the trailer doesn't seem to indicate so.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 18:23
>>704
>A-1 did somehow get him to work on Welcome to the Space Show
Perhaps it was out of favour to Masashi Ishihama..
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Anonymous2012-09-30 18:25
>>722
Ah, are you implying that Iso might show up in Shinsekai Yori then?
But I said it looks really good, so how can you ask me what "doesn't look very good"? I'm just trying to say there won't be any incredibly oustanding scenes, just KyoAni's standart.
It's just my prediction, and since it's Ando x BONES project, action scenes are bound to look amazing.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 18:31
>>725
>It's just my prediction, and since it's Ando x BONES project, action scenes are bound to look amazing.
So, animation roughly on par with Star Driver's?
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Anonymous2012-09-30 18:33
>>724
Oh well, got a bit too hopeful just now. Man, someone needs to learn from Iso so that he doesn't bring his animation style to the grave when he's gone.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 18:34
>>725
>just KyoAni's standard.
I think that's the "issue" with KyoAni - A lot of their work is of higher and consistent standard than your average anime. Where as the "sakuga" stuff we all love is when high quality animation appears in an otherwise average show or series.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 18:34
>>726
Until it airs, we won't know. So just settle down for now and check back whenever it comes out.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 18:35
speaking of Ando, if he's working on Tempest, who's working on the Hanasaku Iroha movie? PA Works by themselves don't really seem capable yet if Tari Tari is anything to go by
I'm guessing the movie has been in production for a while now if he's moving onto a TV series
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Anonymous2012-09-30 18:53
>>730
>Hanasaku Iroha Movie
He's probably done most of the pre-production leg work and left the actual animation in the hands of whomever is doing the enshutsu/unit direction.
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Anonymous2012-09-30 19:00
Well this has been a rather interesting day for the thread, I've never seen it move this fast before. That was fun.
>>747
Someone said earlier that episode 1 was by Ishihara+Kazumi Ikeda.
Episode 1 of KyoAni was always handled by the director and character designer...
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Anonymous2012-10-01 5:35
>>740
Holy shit, I hope this succeeds.
Is 150,000 a little high? I don't know.
I hope it works!
>>746
1st episode is AnimationDo episode? Might be cool
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Anonymous2012-10-01 5:45
>>750 >>751
The Kickstarter page did mention that they aim to increase movie's length, so perhaps 10 minutes is the initial target. Also, the 150k will have to cover the distribution costs and incentives for those who support it.
Just like what Inoue said. It's pretty standard of KyoAni to maintain such good quality to the point that their viewers get too used to it and become unappreciative/indifferent about it.
This is why I agree with what he said that they should let loose of that standard once in a while and be a little bit more different from their usual stuff. They should go and try new styles for their animation and try out new patterns that would work well and not become too alienating.
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Anonymous2012-10-01 8:00
>They should go and try new styles for their animation and try out new patterns that would work well and not become too alienating.
Nichijou
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Anonymous2012-10-01 8:11
welp just blew $250 on Kick-Heart
can't buy anything till my next paycheck....
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Anonymous2012-10-01 8:33
I wish I had a credit card...
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Anonymous2012-10-01 8:33
>Blows your savings to go on a date with Yuasa and Oshii
>Oshii chews too loudly, Yuasa drinks too much
>None of them put out
Such is life for sakugafag
And then they all appear on Oshiri Kajiri Mushi instead.
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Anonymous2012-10-01 14:23
>KickHeart appears on Kickstarter
>Two days later, it's picked up by Reddit, Gaia, Crunchyroll, anime normalfags
>Suddenly, money, money everywhere
>200% of goal
>KickHeart released
>Wins awards at indie shows
>Yuasa goes to Production I.G. CEO, posits a full KickHeart series expanding on the oneshot, every episode paid for by crowdsourcing
>Two years later
>All studios crowdsource at least one anime a year, releases are slower because each episode is funded independently but quality goes up dramatically because there's less production risk involved
>KyoAni puts a new Kickstarter up
>Haruhi S3
>1000% of funding goal
>Cancer, AIDS cured, scientists quoted 'just clearing the schedule so we'll have time to watch the Haruhi premier'
>Part of the first episode is leaked
>Best quality animation KyoAni has done yet
>Ishihara hailed as the second coming of Jesus
>The day of the first episode
>/a/ is silent in anticipation, all shitposting has ceased
>Ishihara raises his arm, then drops it.
>Haruhi download links are published
>Episode starts
>Hear 'We've decided to reboot the Haruhi franchise'
>It's a remake of Endless Eight
What Yamakan would be like if he was never fired from Lucky Star?
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Anonymous2012-10-01 15:11
he probably wouldn't be as bitter
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Anonymous2012-10-01 15:43
I'm thinking about this kickstarter project and wondering what the long-term goal is. One of the stated goals is the funding to submit the work to festivals. Japan has an "independent" animation industry centered around festival screenings of work that would have no appeal to "anime" viewers. Yet Yuasa's was made in the "anime" industry and not the "independent" industry. A 10 minute work by Yuasa doesn't have huge commercial appeal even if it could make its money back on DVD/BD somehow so investors in the "anime" industry would be wary and rather invest their money in something else. But by submitting the work to various international festivals Yuasa's name would rise in the world of "independent" animation and it's possible that his future projects would find its investors there.
Which could mean that there is no longer room for someone like Yuasa in the world of "anime".
Wasn't the last Shinchan anime he worked on just a TV special?
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Anonymous2012-10-01 17:26
>>783
>クレヨンしんちゃん SHIN-MEN（TVSP/2010） 監督 OP作詞 絵コンテ 1話 2話 3話 4話 5話 演出 1話 2話 4話 5話 作画監督 1話 2話 5話
You are correct sir.
I saw it earlier today and assumed it was a TV show since there were lots of episodes credited.
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Anonymous2012-10-01 17:43
>>781
So he's gonna be like Kunio Katou or Koji Yamamura who release their work once in a blue moon?
>>793
Like the Gon vs Hisoka scenes: The 2012 version suffers from having some overly "sakuga" shots. I appreciate the subtlety of the older version. On the flip side, the newer version has some better layouts thanks to being in widescreen.
Yes but that's the only thing that warranted it. Most of KyoAni's animations are low key and subtle in animation. They don't need such over the top wackiness that Nichijou enabled.
Anyway what I'm trying to say is that people have been spoiled. Some of them don't appreciate anymore and instead call something that's over the top expressive as something that's good.
So Gessha has become the director of Rock Lee now?
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Anonymous2012-10-02 13:34
>>797
I don't mean it in a bad way, but the best way I can put it is, a scene where the cut happens too fast or there's too much else being drawn in the scene and it happens so fast you can't catch it properly. It's something I've noticed that happens more often with the younger and newer animators.
I think this is what also bugged me about Imaishi's scenes from the Star Driver finale, it was just so hectic I couldn't tell what was properly happening - I mean, Imaishi is very good at usually avoiding this, but for SD#25 - It felt a little all over the place.
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Anonymous2012-10-02 14:15
>>803
I can't say I found the 2011 HxH cut to be that hectic, but I know what you mean. I remember watching some of Kameda's cuts in FMA:B being rather hard to follow, though I like his work.
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Anonymous2012-10-02 16:06
Shingo Yamashita's ED for Shinsekai Yori in the TV Asashi broadcast. Pretty neat stuff.
Kyoto Animation is a studio that, having risen from very humble beginnings, has gained recognition the world over as a uniquely inspired and inventive enterprise. This book examines Kyoto Animation’s philosophy and creative vision with close reference to its anime. It focuses on the studio’s choice of genres, themes and imagery while exploring its maintenance of high production values. The analysis highlights the studio’s commitment to the pursuit of both artistic excellence and technical experimentation--and its reliance on the imagination and expertise of in-house staff.
>>811
Shouldn't it be 京都アニメーション instead of 京都市アニメーション?
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Anonymous2012-10-02 17:20
>>813
Heh, /a/ is going to love those bits on Mari Okada.
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Anonymous2012-10-02 18:57
I had several different opportunities to possibly work with Okada in past years, but for some reason or another, the staff around me always stopped it from happening. They said we were “two birds of a feather”, or “north pole plus north pole is not going to work out well, working together”.
Oh god how did this get here Im not good with computer!
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Anonymous2012-10-02 21:33
>>811
From the author or The Art of Studio Gainax: Experimentation, Style and Innovation at the Leading Edge of Anime,
The Cinema of Mamoru Oshii: Fantasy, Technology and Politics, The Anime Art of Hayao Miyazaki and whole slew of other similarly named books on anime. Also gothic literature and feminist theory.
So what can we expect from such a scholar then?
>In addition to her shallow discussions and poor structuring, I also feel like Cavallaro isn’t saying anything interesting. Certainly, she will quote key thinkers (like Tzvetan Todorov and Wikipedia) and then quickly move on without explaining what these quotes mean or how they relate to her argument, but most of her discussion is plot summary. http://japaneseliterature.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/magic-as-metaphor-in-anime/
lol
It was entertaining as hell. Good storyboarding or probably good script. In any case some cuts were really playful.
Though this is the first time that an OP and ED from a show directed by Ishihara fails to make a good first impression on me.
I dunno what but there's something in the execution.
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Anonymous2012-10-03 12:14
>>847
That's kind of a given, no one can pull this kind of consistentcy other than KyoAni. It might not have the most impressive cuts (though it very well could, the first ep has some really neat scenes even though it had no crazy delusions) but overall it's in its own tier.
Can't really give a meaningful answer after watching some ugly stream, but it's pretty obvious this won't have Hyouka's tasteful art direction. On the other hand it has a nice, bright colour palette and the animation feels more lively and cartoony.
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Anonymous2012-10-03 12:16
>>850
Disappointed about the OP/ED as well, even though they're clearly Ishihara-ish. Loved everything else, though.
10/10 KyoAni, I think we found what could be the best-animated first episode of the season
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Anonymous2012-10-03 17:58
Just watched Chu2. The animation was definitely more livelier than Hyouka with some over the top cuts as well, which I find very amusing. So far the best animated episode yet this season. Now let's see how K fares.
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Anonymous2012-10-03 18:30
I watched the K NicoNico stream; it was horrible fujoshit. 0/10, would not watch again.
KyoAni sure are promoting this show hard. I guess if this show succeeds they porbably won't want to bother with relying on the likes of Kadokawa for source material anymore?
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Anonymous2012-10-04 5:06
>>897
Wasn't that the sole purpose of setting up their own LN brand? Recently they've expanded from selling their books in around 50 shops to over 350 so I'd say it's working quite well. If Chuu2Koi manages to sell decently, which it should, KyoAni might get closer to the point they no longer need Kadokawa for new series. Which is, needless to say, a really desirable outcome. Nichijou was dead before it was even born because of them, and Hyouka's great sales are nothing short of a miracle considering it's another Kadokawa marathon.
Kadokawa helped KyoAni produce Munto, didn't they.
I think KyoAni has a really good relationship with Kadokawa.
I believe they will still work together in the future but on original works or adaptations of less-known materials.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 5:36
>>899
Sure, they've been working together for the longest time and produced everything but the TBS/Pony Canyon shows. But KyoAni must be perfectly aware that Kadokawa has been directly limiting the sales of their latest shows so their move makes a lot of sense.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 6:30
>But KyoAni must be perfectly aware that Kadokawa has been directly limiting the sales of their latest shows so their move makes a lot of sense.
Oh, is this something to do with Nichijou? Do tell, I don't know a lot of the inside details.
Well if his point was directly about pricing then yeah I gotta agree with him.
Kadokawa prices BDs too expensively. Meanwhile what's interesting is here we see KyoAni really pushing hard with Chunibyou. 6.9k per volume with 2 episodes and a lot of extras.
>>901
Nichijou is one of the very few 2 cours series that was sold in 13 separate volumes. Each of them, I might add, more expensive than your regular anime bluray. It's not just that buying the entire thing was almost impossible for anyone, they alienated many people with their stupid business practices.
Even Hyouka is getting really screwed over with that, being quite expensive and having more volumes than your regular 26 episodes show even though it's a bit shorter. Which makes its incredibly consistent sales more impressive, I guess.
Anyway, looking forward to Zetsuen today. Not so much K, I can't even trust it to look consistently good.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 9:58
Naruto New OP
Storyboard: Toshiya Niidome
Hiroyuki Yamashita, Teruaki Tokumaru, Masaya Onishi
ED
Atsushi Wakabayashi solo
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Anonymous2012-10-04 10:05
>>912
Wasn't too impressed with the opening. ED was kinda neat.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 10:12
Naruto GTFO
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Anonymous2012-10-04 10:14
>>914
/a/ please go, we're only interested in discussing animation
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Anonymous2012-10-04 10:18
>>914
Most Naruto OPs and EDs have pretty neat animation and staff on them. This too >>915
Ahh who am I kidding.. He'll never be busy doing animation.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 13:07
K #1 - This is a really awful series. Pretty much everything about it is bad. It has the ugliest digital composition I have seen in anime. The scenario is pretty bad. It tries to introduce a ton of characters without telling anyone who they are. Style over substance. The script loves to use made up terms and buzzwords to make everything sound "complex" without being meaningful. The camera movement is awkward and overdone. There are really bad CG background pans. Super ugly filters everywhere. The entire show looks like someone spilled a blue and green drink all over the screen. Always. All the time. By the end of the first episode, not only do I still have no idea what this show is really about, but I also no longer care. It's too ugly.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 13:21
Some of the animation cuts were quite good, especially the action. But the heavy use of filters makes it really hard to appreciate
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Anonymous2012-10-04 13:36
Judging by the screen caps. Pretty fucking stupid. The colors are just hideous.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 13:42
>>924
Ouch, not a favourable appraisal. I'll see how it's like once subs are out.
I dunno if I was expecting too much but damn that's unimpressive. I thought they've already upped their performance in the OP department during Arakawa S2.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 14:47
Will a Hidamari opening ever be finished by the time the first episode airs? Probably not.
>>930
Imamura is dead/trapped in his basement working on Kizu.
Nothing really impressive about this OP but at least one poster here wants to makes sure we can keep up with the latest /a/ troll trends so it's all good ¯\(°_o)/¯
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Anonymous2012-10-04 15:08
Not seeing anything particularly good in the Hidamari OP.
The Last SHAFT OP that wowed me was.. Arakawa and SoreMachi.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 15:23
Hidamari OPs have never been particularly impressive.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 15:24
SoreMachi was good. I wonder what Umetsu is doing now and what happened to "Kiss and Cry"? I don't remember it being released.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 15:39
Tempest #1 was pretty lame
I really disliked how telephoto lens'd everything was, especially the "wide shots". Composition was 2D as fuck, I expected a bit more depth and volume from Ando
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Anonymous2012-10-04 15:41
>>937
>Umetsu
Holy shit, why did it never click Umetsu was on that OP
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Anonymous2012-10-04 16:01
>>938
I don't know shit about cinematography, so I can't say much about that, but action scenes are solid as expected from Bones.
the fight was cool, but it was only during the fight where the visuals came alive. Everything else was either so-so or flat
so far, Shin Sekai Yori is still tops in terms of directing in my book.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 16:25
I'd agree that the animation was nothing to talk about most of the time, but I'd argue that the action scenes more than made up for it.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 16:32
I'm not criticizing the animation though, I don't expect miracles from Ando or Bones. Don't get me wrong, the fight scene was good and all, but it wasn't enough to carry the entire episode for me.
>>944
Oh lord, colours and shapes everywhere. That's quite the visual assault. At least the action looks nice, and the credits are in English for a change.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 18:09
credits are in English
But that brushstroke font is le Terrible!
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Anonymous2012-10-04 18:28
K #1
Okay, the animation was great. The low-key scenes could use some work, but overall it was great. However, the filter is stupid and terrible, makes it kinda hard to appreciate the beautiful background and the animation.
The direction overall felt very disjointed, there just wasn't any flow nor atmosphere in the show. The director also seem to love putting some fancy shot with lens flare in it, terrible decision. I think he wants the show to feel "cool" as hell, but it just didn't work.
>>948
It was average. The filter blends everything together though, so it doesn't stick out.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 18:47
>>949
I'm not so concerned about whether it sticks out, provided that the CGI aesthetic is focused on looking photo-realistic which then I will just judge it by the model detail.
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Anonymous2012-10-04 19:19
why so much hate for K
The animation seemed so cool , so fluid , so SAKUGA
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Anonymous2012-10-04 19:26
Just watched K. First time I've ever gotten a headache simply by watching anime, the colour permafilter hurt my eyes for real.