and can ask you a yes-or-no question in confirmation.
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Anonymous2012-12-30 14:34
>>6 why are you using shitty languages to program AI?
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Anonymous2012-12-30 14:55
Why the fuck are Linux fonts so ugly? I would be happy with just X's bitmaps for Helvetica, Times and Courier, but even those are ugly as fuck. Microsoft got that shit right twenty years ago, and you can't even get it right now?
Nimbus for Courier,
Liberation for Times New Roman,
and the standard Monospace for code.
Most of the stylistic fonts are there in most well-known distros, I'm using Ubuntu with Openbox and once you figure out what font is what, it's not so bad.
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Anonymous2012-12-30 15:28
because linux is shit and it's pointless to fix the fonts.
Patents. Apple and Microsoft both own patents on the best font rendering algorithms.
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Anonymous2012-12-30 16:18
I was fine with fonts until web fonts came along. Serif, sans-serif, monospace. Times, Helvetica, Courier (or Terminus).
But no, now Web pages are designed around being seen with a certain font at a certain size using anti-aliasing and subpixel rendering. Otherwise they look like shit.
Web typefaces should be ``semantic'', like print. This part is roman, this part is italic, etc. Fuck all this designing to be pixel perfect across browsers crap.
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Anonymous2012-12-30 16:28
Why the fuck are Linux fonts so ugly?
welcome to Linux, where everything is shit. please take a few weeks to try to fix all the problems you find.
>>12
I stare at a mac all day and its fonts are horrible, especially at small sizes on a dark background. The whole point of Apple's retina display is to make the fonts tolerable. When you have to double your screen resolution to make your fonts look better then a netbook running Ubuntu, your rendering algorithm is shit.
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Anonymous2012-12-30 17:43
>>12
I never understood what makes a font ugly or not. Is there any sort of objective metric to quantify the beauty of a font?
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Anonymous2012-12-30 17:47
Weird, I like Linux fonts. I see no difference.
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Anonymous2012-12-30 19:07
What do you guys think about the Microsoft Surface preventing Linux boots with UEFI SecureBoot? Do you think there will be a way around it?
>>23
Compared to what? The raspberry pi? It mops the floor with it.
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Anonymous2012-12-31 13:40
>>16
Obviously it's a matter of opinion but there are some solid rules of thumb about type design. For example, letters shouldn't run into each other. Read The Elements of Typographic Style.
On computers, good subpixel rendering algorithms are important (until computer monitors hit a higher PPI then we can forget about them). There's also ordinary anti-aliasing and hinting (which basically lines the curves up on a grid). Here's a nice article: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/TrueTypeHintingIntro.mspx
Text generally looks ugly on a default X setup because 1) you're not used to it, and 2) Microsoft and Apple have all the patents. Freetype supports various types of subpixel rendering and hinting, but they're generally not as attractive as their Windows/OS X counterparts. It's also a fucking mess and a nightmare to configure.
Fortunately, a few people have written patches to make Linux fonts look more like they do in Windows or OS X, or at least less shitty. A good one is Infinality: http://www.infinality.net/
I really hope X dies soon and Freetype with it. I want Wayland with sensible font formats (i.e. not PostScript Type 1 and XLFDs), and a font configuration system that I don't need to learn an XML schema and software library to use properly.
I've never understood why people complain so fucking much about fonts on Linux.
I have 20/20 vision and a Dell IPS panel and they look exactly the same to me on both OSes. Not sure if people don't know how to turn on full font hinting/antialiasing or what.
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Anonymous2012-12-31 16:18
>>25
What the fuck is so great about Wayland? Other than not being X, of course.
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Anonymous2012-12-31 16:49
>>27
The way I see it, Wayland is the way to remove all the legacy functions from the graphics system. X11 is far too chatty to be useful as a networked graphics system outside of a local LAN.
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Anonymous2012-12-31 17:05
>>26
On Linux my fonts are beautiful, but I think I might have sacrificed some freedom for them to be so.
>>29
On Linux my fonts look exactly like they do on Windows, and I think they look fine (including corefonts, Adobe Fonts and other proprietary ``bullshites''). And DejaVu Sans is probably the best desktop font I've ever seen.
Also it has an oblique variant but not an italic variant, and for some reason even with 90-synthetic symlinked my Firefox switches from DejaVu Sans to DejaVu Serif Italic for italic text. Really distracting.
>>49
MIT Scheme is the original implementation. It's built to run code from the REPL and the built-in Emacs-like Edwin editor. It doesn't run scripts from the command line unless you pipe the code into the REPL. It's the only Scheme capable of running scmutils, a powerful computer algebra system written by The Sussman.
Guile was commissioned by Richard Stallman to be the official scripting language of the GNU project. It has a C API so it can be embedded into native programs. It fails in being as flexible as Lua by having way too many dependencies.
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Anonymous2013-01-04 13:28
>>51 I see. Late last night I actually made the tough choice to refactor a few hundred lines to CL today. Even with all of MIT Scheme's features, an ANSI is really helpful for learning the basics and keeping features organized between implementations, and to tell the truth, I'm not experienced enough to be able to put Scheme to good use.
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Anonymous2013-01-04 13:30
It's interesting that you mention Lua too, because I always liked lua. Metatables allow for some magical code sometimes, but the Lua devs are hindered by the idea that a runtime can only be 1MB anymore. Lua could easily challenge Ruby or Python with a paradigm shift and some effort.
>>54
It's a love-hate relationship. Back in ~2008, /prague/ used to like Touhou. I still do, but apparently the people who did left for better lands and now the Great /g/ Flood has filled this board with shit. So maybe that's why the new ``/prague/'' hates /jp/ now.
>>56
I do hate imageboards, though. It's just that, AFAIK Cudder-sama posts on /jp/. The general trend seems to be that the people who don't come from /g/ are okay with /jp/.
>>74
Why do you tell me to do this? Does the mere mention of another board trigger this response in you? Why? Is it so that you can appear to be an elite, long-time /prog/ user with unbelievably high standards? Are you trying to impress someone?
Surely such mindless dickwaving is beneath you, so those explainations cannot possibly fit. Why do you have this compulsion then, pray tell?
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Anonymous2013-01-05 4:42
Can we talk more about /jp/?
I've never seen boards have some semblance of love for each other.
I'm going to sell a smart toilet seat. It will run android and post statistics about your shit on Facebook, twitter, and /prog/ (to facilitate shitposting). I'd called it iShit, but Apple probably owns that name by now. Perhaps "CanDroid or Dingleberry" (take notes on those puns, marketing guys?). See you guys on kickstarter!
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Anonymous2013-01-10 2:26
>>124
This is going to be big. Hacker News already loves it.
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Anonymous2013-01-10 2:35
>>124
Can I browse the internet on this toilet seat? It would be a great way to pass the time while I'm hiding at work in the bathroom without cell reception.
Sign me up for two as preorders. I'll install one at home and one at work.
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Anonymous2013-01-10 5:04
But the sights were never meant to work like that.
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Anonymous2013-01-10 14:34
>>121 you might try to, but lemme tell YOU something:
I wouldn't piss in your mouth if you were on fire.
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Anonymous2013-01-10 15:06
>>128
Yeah, well, I wouldn't throw a fire on you if you were drowning.
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Anonymous2013-01-10 15:35
>>129 I wouldn't hax your anus if you were begging for it
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Anonymous2013-01-10 16:20
>>130
I wouldn't beg you to hax my anus even if I really wanted it.
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Anonymous2013-01-10 18:51
>>131 I wouldn't shit on you if you were starving to death
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Anonymous2013-01-10 19:31
>>132
I wouldn't starve you to death even if you were an African child.
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Anonymous2013-01-10 19:34
>>133 I wouldn't be an african child if I lived in Africa.
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Anonymous2013-01-10 19:58
>>134
I wouldn't talk to you if you were a nigger.
>>155
He fights with Nikita and calls people `cretin'.
He also hates me and wants to see me ideas because of a tiny personality flaw.
Pretty sure he's a foreigner.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 0:33
>>157
The ``shotgun-don't curtail my rights-guy''. It could be him, he's kind of an extremist.
Pretty sure he's a foreigner.
I'm not sure what you mean by a foreigner? Non-US citizen? Where else do people sleep with a shotgun? Rural Canada?
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Anonymous2013-01-19 0:36
I think it's the SAND NIGGERS guy. The spam message has that sort of condescending sarcasm they he/she/it always did so. But whoever it is, the trigger was likely nikita's increase in jew spam.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 0:42
>>158
I think he's European. He liberal in ways that very few Americans are.
Which brings to my attention: Nikita is suspiciously well-informed and interested in US internal politics.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 0:46
Looks like he tried his program on /lounge/ first.
Not really. He seemed to think america profited from the iraq war.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 0:52
>>161
Then that rules out the SAND NIGGERS guy, who was most definitely from /g/. This must be trey.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 1:09
I bet this is !L33tUK.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 1:11
it's obviously someone upset by Nikita's shitspamming
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Anonymous2013-01-19 1:42
Lots of theories here. Let's make a list of who it couldn't be.
•Cudder
•Nikita/Ahmed
•You
•Me
•The Sussman
•RMS#rms (unless he's doing it manually (because of lack of skill))
•Black Hacker who is always so offended
•moot
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Anonymous2013-01-19 1:47
Clearly a forum slide. Disinfo is trying to hide something by flooding it off the board.
>>162 Ha! implying......
Funny how america just became energy independent (again) recently..? Obviously they didn't want to announce it too soon after invading iraq.. that would be really obvious (even americans would notice..) xD
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Anonymous2013-01-19 2:00
spammer here. i hope you are enjoying this intelligent and thought-provoking discussion. you're welcome
>>167 that sounds quite possible [particularly with some of the info i posted recently, even if rather quietly on the second page]... quite serious allegations really.. find the Mat Dickie And the Scientists thread, and look near the bottom.. (It was last seen on page 9) ^^
>>174
Americans could never become energy independent. It's at the very heart of the american lifestyle to use more resources than necessary or providable. So it must always leech off of the rest of the world, stealing resources from those who need it more.
that was sort of a test run. if things get bad again ill turn it back on. theoretically, those with shorter attention spans are less likely to stick around than real /prog/rammers
>>176
I disagree. Those people will always come back later. While the necrospam does clear the front page with better threads, it also makes continuous asynchronous discussion impossible, and hence /prog/ itself is temporarily unavailable. That's fine if you have other things you can do instead of browsing /prog/, but it negatively affects those that don't have social contact outside of the internet, and don't use or like other forums.
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1562013-01-19 2:35
>>176
Turn it on again, faggot, or I start my own. Also I knew it was you, faggot, from the beginning.
>>183
Yeah, try not to. I've heard enough of your panic attacks. You're a moron and the worst shitposter here, which is something.
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mat dickie2013-01-19 3:07
point 1.
(i should probably post in the other thread... but anyway)
Would they automatically do toxicology on a suicide..? (ie test for drugs)
Or Would they ask the Resident Adult(s) First? even any Autopsy?
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luke yallop2013-01-19 3:10
Ie asking the murderers "Do you want to get Caught?"
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Anonymous2013-01-19 3:10
Why would you commit suicide, moron? Because you've been an ass on /prog/?
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luke yallop2013-01-19 3:11
I think being completely non-anonymous is a good idea right now...
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luke2013-01-19 3:12
>>187 not me, someone already did. but they didn't.
>>184
prog is mean today. I'll return next year. By then I will have learned shift and reset.
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luke2013-01-19 3:13
Certainly not on purpose anyway
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Anonymous2013-01-19 3:14
You have already posted with your name here in the past.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 3:15
>>189
Good. Because I was going to call your parents or neighbours.
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luke2013-01-19 3:15
If you commit suicide because someone else has drugged you off your head, does that still count? I think he was like their "Guinnui Pig" for want of a better word.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 3:17
You're a fucking hypocrite when you say you're spamming the board because of the shitposts. You are the shitposts.
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luke2013-01-19 3:18
"If" he even did....
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luke2013-01-19 3:21
Name of accused ? (Would that be dangerous? What if i'm wrong? But what if i'm not?)
Ah well, i'm back again ^^ still alive (lol)
It's kind of hard to see my dad's brother being all that horrible, but if that is even close to what happened, then it's pretty hard for me to say that he just wasn't aware at all.
Probably doesn't reflect on me very well, whichever way it is, unless it is proven, and even then i just don't know. Seems unlikely. And though I might convince myself, in a court =/ physical evidence? It was 3 years ago....
Anyway, hopefully this action was warranted... Sorry for the mad panic back there, but it kind of caught me unawares aswell. =)
Might i just add, that they have offered at least twice for me to go stay with them, even before all this, and at least twice i've said no. Hell No. It's bad enough when they come here for a week...
Ever had an invitation to go prospecting for gold, along with the
mention of how easily someone could bump you on the head ? 0,o (not in the same sentence, but still...)
Anyway, poor old /prog/ is probably traumatised.....
that or everyone went to the saturday night DISCO! =D
I guess it could have been the Nazis, or the Jews, or the Jewish Nazis...? all angry about the swastika comment? Maybe? (would they really be that angry though..? / here? really? =)
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Anonymous2013-01-19 11:04
it's the same fucking guy. the spammer is the shitposter.
OP here btw, I had nothing to do with this. I bump this thread and Move Over Leah and that's pretty much all I do on this board. Not to mention, Move Over Leah has been buried now.
>>212 i'm not spamming, but i guess i could understand if you're calling me a (not 'the' though) shit-poster.. Really, /prog/ was just loosing it's (autistic) touch, and i was somewhat proud friday to help a new fem with some matlab code.... I can't help thinking i've caused some retard to bump all those shitty old threads, but it definitely wasn't me.
I've long been a fan of bringing some sort of authentication to the textboards. Not captchas or anything intense, but just something that the spambots can't figure out. There's tons of good auth services out there, but we're stuck reading spam here.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 20:17
>>220
Preferably something the self-hating jew can't figure either.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 20:20
I'm not really in the mood for these trips but I might as well get them.
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Anonymous2013-01-19 21:53
convince myself, in a court =/ physical could have been the Nazis, or the Jews "Guinnui Pig" for want of a my dad's brother being all that horrible =)
>>227
It's still better than having mods. The only way this place could be moderated is if one of the posters was a mod, and if one of the posters was a mod, what happened today would happen on a regular basis and people ip addresses would be banned as well for equally silly reasons. Most shit posters without a source of feedback get bored and move on, although Ahmed is one such exceptional exception. A mature viewer will apply their own filter, and only reply to what they want to see on prog. It's a form of voting. But in a democracy all people are to have equal voting power. Automated posting is to increase one's vote to become totalitarian. Through a minor exercise in programming, a poster is able to assign themself the role of a moderator. The competency requirement filters out most people that have this level of maturity, but sometimes a /prog/rider will get carried away.
I hope spammer-san isn't banned. The only way to get banned here is to trigger an automated form of detection, and his/her/it's post rate was pretty high for a while. I hope he/she/it still has access to /prog/.
>>229 I don't *anyone* to be banned, but I would like to see conversations instead of spam. It's easy to see the difference. I don't mind chatting with any of the /frog/s, but what I do mind, and what you should mind is having the board wrecked for hours on end by a script.
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Anonymous2013-01-21 9:12
bump
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Anonymous2013-01-21 16:10
>>220
I'm fairly sure a checkbox that ask `Are you human' with it's HTML name\id different every time would stop 99% of the people who spam this dump.
>>212
You're very new here. >>221 >>238
You may fool these newblooded children fresh fom /g/ and reddit, but the irony you don't even understand the entity you're accusing, which makes it mildly amusing for those of us who do.
When are you going to reveal how many shekels JIDF pays you to shit this place up, you disgusting kike.
>>245
Optimize your existence and kill yourself, you disgusting hooknose. >>246
How many times are you gonna call the kettle black? You jewpot. >>247
Get the fuck back to the imagereddits you fucking newblooded faggot kid.
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Anonymous2013-01-21 21:28
>>250
fuck you faggot get fucked in the ass by a niggerhorse
>>253
Stop it with the retarded quoting style, /g/ shitstain.
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Anonymous2013-01-21 22:41
>>241
No, a checkbox or something that would keep only the most wretched of troglodytes from spamming. It must not interfere too much with those who are more wizened, and have use.
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Anonymous2013-01-22 3:31
>>255 NO, A CHECKBOX OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD KEEP ONLY THE MOST WRETCHED OF TROGLODYTES FROM MY ANUS
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Anonymous2013-01-22 3:32
>>254 Fuck you. You hear that you fucking nigger? FUCKYOU.
OP here, 100 or so pages into ANSI Common Lisp and I feel like a fucking champion. This is the first time I've ever experienced this kind of expressivity with my code.
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Anonymous2013-01-24 21:16
>>269
Just so you know, that feeling is the so-called 悟り.
You don't seem to have achieved it fully, though.
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Anonymous2013-01-25 0:48
No, I haven't even learned about macros or anything like that yet. I'm only touching on the tip of the iceberg I think, but this is a damn good iceberg.
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Anonymous2013-01-27 0:04
bump for spamming the frogs with useless ass bullshit and moot ignoring this board and other textboards completely
so this morning somebody release brython, which is python in the browser. What really happens though is that the python is compiled down to javascript like normal and is executed that way, which explains the blazing speed, as if v8 were powering python.
now, personally, I'm a lisp guy myself, I'd love to see a scheme rendering engine for browsers, but I know that nobody but me will create one, so that will have to wait. the point is, we don't have the tools to create new internal features like alternate rendering engines for browsers. I've thought of forking chromium, but I don't know C or C++ and I don't really want to.
I'm not a big fan of python, but it's a huge, HUGE step if you're talking about rendering. I'd get into web development if I could work with a language as capable as python. I'd quit my fucking job if I could do it with scheme, I'd quit in a heartbeat and never look back.
so, frogs, what do we do? should we make a new browser that exposes internals in a way that allows for new rendering engines on the fly? even if we do that, how will we convince people to stop writing javascript and start writing another language?
>>282 python is compiled down to javascript like normal and is executed that way, which explains the blazing speed
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Anonymous2013-01-29 10:03
>>284 ever tried running python rendering in a browser? it's pretty fucking slow when there isn't an advanced engine in place specifically designed for your language. I'm not the javashit troll, but even a fucking goyim rubyist like yourself should know that running JS on V8 is smarter than running python in a browser with no support.
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Anonymous2013-01-29 10:07
>>282
We should write a browser that uses S-expressions instead of HTML (and rewrite the ``standard'' for markup presentation while we're at that, because what's the fucking point of <p> anyway) and reads Scheme for scripting. Natively, of course.
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Anonymous2013-01-29 10:22
Is there any relevant software already out there that does something like this or would it have to be built from scratch?
What are your favourite computer games, /prog/?
I used to be quite a fan of pong and other games written in QBASIC
After my parents got windows 95 I found skifree and hover
Nowadays I play Dwarf Fortress. I can't stand that stereotypical nerd game ``minecraft'', because it was written by a fat jew and is coded in Java which is the wrong language for such a thing.
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Anonymous2013-01-29 15:49
Well, Javascript is the proof that given enough work, even a brick can fly.
I'm pretty sure you can make Python as fast as JS/V8, so that's not the point.
>>291 I'm not saying that. Python on the server is faster than V8 I believe, but Python in the browser is just Javascript wearing a disguise. I'd like to make python (or a language that isnt fuckig javascript) run natively in the browser, that's what I really want.
>>294
Like I said a few days ago, having a dog shit over your carpet (FIOC) is somehow better than having an elephant with diarrhea shit over your body (Javashit, but the elephant analogy works with PHP too)