no ubanto?

Hey /prog/, why does people (expecially debian people) hate ubuntu?

They mainly hate it because a lot of the userbase is like "LOL LINUCKS IS SO LEET" and they are the same people that ask "HOW I INSTALL ITUNES? LOL"
It's kind of like hating Halo, the game itself is mediocre but the fanbase pushes it over the edge.

Ubantu >>just works<< for me. You should check it out, just don't visit ubantuforams.

>>7--chan got the essence of the problem, but now, where is the answer to the question where this knowlegde leads us to? Who is willing to present a trolling free answer on how to get this problem solved?

>>8
Ubanto is hardly the only linux distro that "just works" and lacks anything really distinctive. It seems (to me at least) to be popular solely because it's popular. The advice about ubantoforums is good advice.

>>9
There are people who likes ubanto and people who doesn't like it. I'm one of the latter, however I think there's no way to make a trolling free discussion as long as the discussion regards two opposite battlefronts.

As my personal opinion ubuntu may be a good system for users, but it definitely sucks if you are going to do something more difficult than read your mailbox or surf the web.

The main point that makes me hate it is how the user simply obtains what he wants (i.e. a working system) just without any effort, while when I started using GNU/Linux it was really hard to survive. So when you feel you are a real man, here it comes a bunch of lusers and start answering to questions like "How to configure the network" with a "just click here"-like answer, without knowing ANYTHING about what the Network is. As direct consequences ubuntu taints the leet-sphere with useless people who, just a couple of years ago, were just sucking on windows.

Yeah, you may argue for the freedom benefit for the luser, and actually you are right: one more using ubuntu is one less using windows, and this may lead to many advantages... but this is not enough to make me appreciate ubuntu.

>>10
I tried BSD, and I tried openSuse, and I spent far too much time setting things up. Ubanto has everything set up, and you can change it if it doesn't suit you (and you should), but at least things work from the very beginning.

>>11
You sound like someone who is fine with not using readily made tools because TECHNICAL SURVIVAL makes you hardcore. I don't think I like you.

>>13
Yes, something similar. And I'm not here to delight your personality with mine, so I don't care if you like me.
Here's my point: suppose that something doesn't work: I will find out a way to make it work, while you (where for "you" I obviously mean a just-works generic guy, not yourself) will just complain because it doesn't work automagically.

>>14
Actually, I (and a few other generic guys I know that use ubanto) would read wikipedia articles and man pages on the subject, then look at some snippets, and use the power of analogy to solve the problem. The people at ubantuforums would whine, but these people are not only negligible, but also have no affiliations with you or me whatsoever (well, maybe they have the same OS as me installed).

>>15
...and? I feel a little dumb, what are you trying to point out?

>>16
Excellent point. I got a little carried away, excuse me. What I meant was this:
"Fuck regular ubantu users. Why do you care that they will wonder why it doesn't work?".

>>17
Ok, you are not totally wrong... I may just stop thinking about it and put a "-ubuntu" in all my google searches. This would definitely work...

Still I'm missing the old good days when you needed to work hard and get knowledge in order to reach your objective... today's greenhorns have everything ready and waiting, and I'm a bit concerned about the possible lost of knowledge...

OP here: ok, fine. Is there any reason for stopping using it?

>>19
*sigh* If you feel like something doesn't work out, then stop. If you like it, don't. Seriously, must you ask?

ehm i have to say i used debian for some years and then i switched to ubuntu but only for one main reasons = non-free content, easy setup tools.
I didnt wanted to look up every single bit of stuff that i wanted to do while reading 7 different threads on 7 different sites. Still the worst thing anyone can do is ask a question on ubartuforums, they creep the shit out of me, simple yet most stupid answers ever heard. Every single grocery store clerk acting like a full fledged server admin coach. I think best way is to stay far away from the community of this "thing" Ubuntu itself as distribution is nice if you want something else then debian which is for me the best solution even if they are a little 1337 and always want only open content at work etz.


Personal comment of the author:
my opinion dont read it if your not bored.

i hate Ubuntu because its users are generally elitists and morons who think they're actually better than other people (namely Windows users) because they're using Windows Linux (aka Ubuntu).
i also hate the fact that you can get by without EVER using the command line. a powerful shell is IMO the biggest thing that Linux and BSD have over Windows, and yet, Ubuntu is all about pretty colours and shiny buttons. i doubt most Ubuntu users even know what ls is.

The problem with Ubuntu is that every kid who's used it for six months and had to install driver the first week for Compiz to perform and Extra Flashiness has an unwarranted feeling of technical skill.

Following that, trying to find information about the OS demands that you deal with those people, and the atrocities on technical discussion that they have wrought.

You don't get the well-reasoned technical explanation that you get from, say, Slackware users. You get goddamn signatures and sophist explanations from dicks with cutesy crazy penguins in their avatars.

>>22
Oh, damn, you are right, expecially on the "ever using the command line" argument.

>>22

That's where I think you're wrong. I think most of the idiots who use it know ls, cd, etc ad nauseum.

That pseudoskill bloats their self-image.
I think saying most users don't know how to use | is more accurate

>>22
This is true about the powerful command line.

However, whenever you want to use Ubuntu, I suggest getting Windows with cygwin installed.

>>1-1000
and this is why we will never see the year of the linux desktop
oh paint guru...hear me cry

>>26
So you can have the worst of both worlds?
The only possible advantage Windows offers is that it comes preinstalled on consumer PCs, so your hardware is guaranteed to work at least adequately out of the box. The actual solution for people inept enough to need that is actually a Dell or equivalent that comes with Ubanto preinstalled.

>>26
Wow.. the value-for-money of Windows combined with the beautiful interface of Cygwin. Sign me up!

>>25

Yeah, they deserve a pipe to the head.

>>28
The only real advantage I see for Windows besides the compatibility is the gaming. I can't live without mah gaemin.

I can't live without mah GAYMEN

>>32
I'm sorry I forgot that computers were SERIOUS BUSINESS and that NO FUN was allowed.

>>33
... AND DONT YOU FORGET IT

>>31
Every game worth playing either predates Windows or works fine under Wine (and in many cases better than on actual Windows).

>>35
How well do Supreme Commander, Crysis and BF2/2142 work under Wine?

>>36
Hipster

>>36
Every game worth playing
Supreme Commander, Crysis and BF2/2142

DOES NOT CUMPUTE

>>37
>>38
You tell me any game worth playing works fine and then when I tell you what games I want to play you call me a hipster and say I have no taste? I shouldn't have to limit myself to only games that Wine will support if I don't have to.

I propose that you all shut up and let people use whatever OS they need to play their games.

>>40
propose this! *grabs dick*

>>41
NO U *grabs anus*

>>40
Agreed, provided that they also shut up and play the games I tell them to play.

>>43
How about they use a console for games and stop abusing a perfectly good computer by installing dodgy toy crap from Redmond on it? In other words they can STFU about their sick fetish.

Why the fuck should I have to hand-edit pppoe.conf to set up an ADSL connection, or type a modeline into xorg.conf to make my monitor work correctly? People with things other than computers in their lives don't have time for this shit.

This is why FOSS OS's will not become widely popular and forever remain the domain of whining, autistic freetards.

>>45
People with things other than computers in their lives don't have time for this shit.
and suddenly the sad truth about my existence flashed before my eyes.
screw it, i like computers; i don't need anything else.

>>45
Obvious Troll is obvious

You fags realize that Ubuntu, Debian, and any other type of Linux are all shit? Linux was made as an easier way for human-machine interaction when it came to UNIX. When it boils down to everything, UNIX is what matters, not Linux. You're not hardcore by using Linux. You're just as fine to use Linux as you are to use Windows or OS X. You get your shit done with either of them. When it boils down to what Linux distro, it doesn't fucking matter cause they all do the same shit. You want to IT or Program? You learn UNIX, and not Linux. Linux comes naturally if you learn UNIX. OS X comes naturally if you learn UNIX. Even fucking Windows comes naturally if you learn UNIX. But don't sit here and try to tell people which Linux distro is better cause you faggots aren't any better than the queers at ubuntoforams. A shell is useless without the kernel.

Why the fuck should I have to become a network security expert to set up an ADSL connection, or use sata drivers to install windows onto my computer? People with things other than computers in their lives don't have time for this shit.

This is why Microsoft OS's will not become widely popular and forever remain the domain of whining, autistic timewasters.

>>49
OS X is UNIX.
http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

>>49
agreed.
yay for eunuchs!

>>50
Your attempt to draw a humorous parallel with >>45 does not make sense.

>>49
The usage of a kernel is a matter of architectural principles of modularity. If need be, people could design the shell as the 'core program' that would run without a dedicated kernel.

>>31
Get a console. The only worthwhile PC exclusives will be SC2 and Diablo 3 and those will be released in about 5 years.

But you'll say no and give me a response most people give: "HURR I BUILT THIS PC MASHELF IM A SUPER GENIUS OF SOME KIND. ALSO I DONT WANT TO PUT THE DVD IN AND HAVE IT WORK WITHOUT ANY HASSLE, IM TOO HARDCORE FOR THAT"

consoles are a waste of money.
why buy a new console every 2 years and pay $100 for games when i can buy a new video card and some RAM for my computer each 5 years and pay $0 for games?
also, console games are lame. their games are designed for children.

non-console-pcs are a waste of money.
why buy a new pc every years and pay $1000 for upgrades when i can buy a new game and some perpherals for my console each 5 years and have no hassle with drm or incompatiblity?
also, pc games are lame. their games are designed for lusers.

>>56
You mean buy a console and play games on it for at least 5 years (well not if you get the Wii). You can pirate games on every console except the PS3 and although you seem incredibly poor I'm pretty sure you can afford to buy blank DVDs. Considering a lot of console games are on the PC that would mean a lot of PC games (which a lot of people I know are raving about, even though they think they're only on PC) are designed for children.

Enjoy your lazy ports and Crysis I guess...

>>58
Besides the fact that BF2/2142 doesn't have a console counterpart, and that shooters don't play as well on consoles, I'll stick with my "GAYMEN" PC.

>>59
That was true 5 years ago, but since they stopped making shooters like Quake and Unreal Tournament because people noticed Halo was very popular (which it shouldn't be, it's average at best) controllers work pretty well for shooter since all of them are incredibly slow.

So you only play shooters?

Another PC gamer here and I don't want a console. I require a mouse and keyboard, I use a mouse and keyboard all day when doing productive stuff so I'm not about to learn a new input method just for gaming. It would be like learning to walk around on my hands.

>>61
Back ta /g/ witcha ya scurvy sodomite

>>61
That analogy is retarded. Also controllers are better than kb/m at some games.

console gamers are retards.
console gaming is all about computer-assisted-auto-aiming.
there is zero skill involved at all, and anybody who thinks there is should be laughed at mercilessly.
also, the only good games that consoles have are ones ported from the PC; the rest are MARIO SUPER AWESOME PARTY 11 or Link the faggot blond elf anus exploration 99.

I dislike Ubuntu for entirely different reasons: It "works", but it doesn't work like it should. Ubuntu is very much like XML: the problem it solves is not hard, and it doesn't solve it very well. PulseAudio was added far too early in the game, and it continues to cause problems for people. SysV init is the most idiotic thing to happen to UNIX since Motif. Shipping broken open-source ATI drivers instead of half-decent closed source ones because of an overblown interpretation of Free Software ideology only serves to drive new users away from that ideology. Same with the decision not to ship decoding software for mp3 and AAC. Luckily Shuttleworth's head wasn't so far up his ass that he broke GIFs too. And while we're on the subject of making things wholly boring, the GNOME configuration Ubuntu ships is horrible, and nobody in their right mind would use such a configuration on purpose. I don't want to get started on the shit surrounding enabling non-free repositories.
MONO IS EVIL! MONO WILL KILL YOU! - no it fucking won't, ubuntu devs. If you're going to recommend GNOME, you might as well install all of it. Never mind that your default user interface is worthless trash without a Mono app called GNOME-Do. Moonlight isn't evil either, but it is generally pointless. The only good thing that can ever come out of Silverlight is the - God willing - death of that shitpile called Shockwave.
It's quiz time: which is easier to patch, a kernel or a userland program? If you're like 99% of the world, and have half a brain, you picked "userland program". If Ubuntu wants to introduce Linux to people, broken drivers isn't a very good first impression. The obvious approach here is to ship stable kernels and recent software, something that any moron would have figured out five years ago, but something that the only notable company ever to come out of South Africa still doesn't understand.

There's plenty of more shit that could fill this rant, mostly targeted at parts of Ubuntu which suck, like apt and OpenOffice, but it's not worth getting carpal tunnel syndrome over. In the meantime, valiant warriors like Linux Mint are trying to fix something fundamentally broken, and hippie idealists like MEPIS and sidux are trying to reinvent something fundamentally flawed.

Ubuntu really only has two flaws: the initial concept, and the implementation.

>>65
I hate Ubanto as much as the next guy but... what?

>>65
('-`)b

>>64
Not all games are first person shooters.

Link the faggot blond elf anus exploration 99
That sounds awesome. Also the only FPS games that took real skill got released 10 years ago.

*sigh* Why are we discussing this? I like jRPGs. I play console games. You like FPSs. You play on you fucking PC. Can it be over yet?

>>69
Actually, I hate generic shooters. I was just using them as an example because they're the best genre for pointing out the horrible interfaces that consoles use.
But whatever, enjoy your extremely railroaded carbon-copy RPGs.

>>70
But whatever, enjoy your extremely railroaded carbon-copy RPGs.
I will, thanks.

What the bloody fuck are you doing anyway? Why are you telling me this? I enjoy these games, other people don't, and guess what? I don't give a flying Philadelphia fuck what others think about them.

>>71
Really?
You seem to care quite a lot.

>>72
And on what basis are you saying that? The gist of the two posts I have made here was ``This discussion is bloody retarded, why can't we all use what we like?''.

>>73
The gist i got was "FUCKITY FUCK FUCK I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT YOU THINK", but whatever.
We need to argue, this is the internet.

>>71

Can you calm down buddy, you sound like you are getting a bit emotional there

>>74
Well, if you extend that to "FUCKITY FUCK FUCK I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT [THE FUCK] YOU THINK because I will still enjoy my fucking games no matter what you think and you, and everybody in general, should do the same", then yes, that would be about it.

ITT, serious business
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>>70
And here a bunch of genres that are inferior with kb/m: racing, fighting (especially if you want to play on the same PC) and pretty much every action-adventure and platforming game and some 3rd person shooters like Resident Evil 4. I tried playing Assassin's Creed on the PC after playing it on a console. Felt bad man.

Try playing Devil May Cry with a keyboard and tell me how it goes.

There's no doubt FPS, RTS and MMOs are superior with the keyboard and mouse but saying everything is, that's just plain retarded.

>>79
action-adventure
you best be fucking joking, man. Grim Fandango, Monkey Island, Toonstruck, Sam & Max Hit the Road, Day of the Tentacle - all PC games, the best action adventure games ever made.
fighting
you only think that because you're too used to using a console controller. I'd take Street Fighter on PC over Street Fighter on a console any day of the week. If you don't like the key mapping then you can easily change it.
Racing and platforming games are probably the same, but i don't play them because they suck.

>>79
A friend of mine played DMC3 on a laptop keyboard to completion. No problems.

I personally played MGS1 and 2 on a keyboard. No problems either.

I also played Conker's Bad Fur Day emulated with a keyboard controller. Once in the entire game I had to change the emulated sensitivity of the analog stick, since there was some sort of puzzle that required slow movements.

>>80
Those are point and click adventure games. Honestly those would work on pretty much anything, I don't think you're dumb enough to argue PC CONTROLS ARE SUPERIOR with this one. Action-adventure games are things like Devil May Cry, God of War, Ninja Gaiden (CONSOLE GAMES HURR DURR I CAN DO IT TOO). It's a pretty broad genre actually.

Street Fighter 4 sucks. Plus fighting games are best played with friends in the same room, and unless you have one or two controllers the PC fails at this. Playing fighting games online with people you don't know is pretty lackluster.

Also shooters are now made mostly with consoles in mind (which is a bad thing, I haven't played a good multiplayer FPS since UT2004) so the PC controls aren't that much superior.

>>81
I played MGS1 on the PC too, I kinda wish I hadn't since they took out the parts where the game fucks with you.

You're not going to have problems, but if you've played those kinds of games with a keyboard and with a controller (considering you've used a controller for more than a week) you'd find the controller setup much more natural.

You can play first person shooters on a console with no problems, the PC controls will still be better.

>>82
yes, they are superior.
do you actually think that you can play a point and click adventure game with a fucking xbox controller? seriously? really? HIBT? i can't believe this shit. are you a masochist or something?

never played those games or heard of them, they sound pretty childish though, especially "Devil May Cry".

i haven't played street fighter 4, only 1 and 2 - i don't see how that's related anyways. i was just using it as an arbitrary example of a fighting game. i suppose you're right with the friends in the same room thing, but you CAN buy controllers for your PC and plug several in at the same time; it's by no means difficult, and it is assuredly cheaper than shelling out $600 for a console that will be rendered useless in 5 years.

yeah, most games are made with consoles in mind now. it's funny how at the same time modern FPSs are becoming easier, less creative (more like generic halo games), and more cartoonish - i wonder if there's a connection between the two.
regardless, having a console baby you with auto-aim faggotry will never be superior to the precision and skill of a mouse.

>>84
your gay. thats my argument.

>>85
I agree

>>84
"NEVER HEARD ABOUT THEM SO I WIN". Great argument. You seem to be one of those people who only play MATURE GAMES FOR MATURE GAMERS SUCH AS YOURSELVES (aka FAGGOTS).

Anyone who buys hardware at launch is usually retarded. Consoles are $300. I know you can connect controllers to the PC, but I thought you were arguing how superior keyboard and mouse controls were for everything. Why are you arguing against it?

Ok you got me on the adventure game things. They would work on a Wii though. I find it funny you argue FPSs are getting less creative, more generic but dismiss a game solely based on its name. That along with "more cartoonish" leads me to believe you are a gigantic faggot who doesn't like creativity in games anyway. So why complain about it?

PS: You're a faggot.

Now please excuse me, I'm going to play a very colourful metroid game.

>>87
I know you can connect controllers to the PC, but I thought you were arguing how superior keyboard and mouse controls were for everything
i was arguing that equivalent multiplayer can easily be achieved on a PC.

you're going?
ok, cya.
enjoy your childrens' games, kid.

>>88
We here in /prog/ use our computers for computing tasks, not gay tasks. Please visit /v/ where you will be welcome.

>>87
Now please excuse me, I'm going to play a very colourful metroid game.
Should have done that in the beginning. :(

>>89
doh ho ho, you speak for the whole of /prog/, eh?
i've been here for a very long time, and i can tell you that you're full of shit.
but hey, whatever. it's just proof that i've won due to your pathetic lack of arguments. i'm laughing at you right now. go play zelda for the millionth time, child.

>>91
I can't see what have you "won". These people will still enjoy their games *shrug*.

>>62-
Dongz.

>>92
:) dawwwwwww, he's trying to regain his dignity by denying that he's lost.
how cute.
it doesn't change anything.

The only game worth playing is Xarn's The Mansion. He should release a Linux port already.

>>94
I'm not him. I'm just curious. You have done nothing for their loss, just something for your, and only your, gain.

>>96
that doesn't make sense and i'm sick of your whining, console baby.
i'm sick of people like you coming here because they "want to lurn how to progrem teh video gaemz XDXDXDDDDDD", go away.

>>88
Hi, me again. Tell me this, you refuse to play games that are too colourful and have silly names(in your opinion) yet I'm the child.

The only people who act like this are either retards or 12 year old children who try to act mature to be like the cool kids. Take your pick.

Plus I don't see why you're complaining about newer games. You seem to like these newer grimdark games that only have the colours grey and brown.

I'm the guy from before, not >>89-kun.

>>97
Okay. Enjoy your incorrigible misconceptions about me. I'll go play some toy games with the other guy.

>>98
God damn, stop being trolled. Come, let's play children's video games together and have fun.

>>97
I don't think anyone here mentioned wanting to make video games. Now you're just making shit up.

>>99
thank you
>>98
i haven't been a hardcore gamer for years. i don't play many games these days, but the new games i have seen have left me unimpressed.
i don't care for grimdark really, except for the s.t.a.l.k.e.r games. if you must know, my favourite game of all time is morrowind; nothing grimdark about that at all. the main reason i complain about newer games is due to the fact that oblivion was pure shit compared to its older brother (due to the fact that it was developed with consoles heavily in mind), and the fact that games like halo are so damn popular even though they are awful.

>>101
i'm psychic.
i also know that your favorite language is python and you "LOEV XKCD BECUS IT'S SO INTELLEGENT"

>>102
Morrowind was also on the Xbox. Also the fact that you classified yourself as a "hardcore gamer" pretty much proves how big of a faggot you are.


>>99
Who said I'm a guy ;)?

>>104
i said i'm not. please learn to read.
yes, morrowind was on xbox, but it wasn't butchered and ruined by that fact - oblivion _was_.

you're either a guy or a tranny. no such thing as female programmers.

>>105
One last question. Tell me did you ever play a console for more than a week?