>>61
That analogy is retarded. Also controllers are better than kb/m at some games.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 4:33
console gamers are retards.
console gaming is all about computer-assisted-auto-aiming.
there is zero skill involved at all, and anybody who thinks there is should be laughed at mercilessly.
also, the only good games that consoles have are ones ported from the PC; the rest are MARIO SUPER AWESOME PARTY 11 or Link the faggot blond elf anus exploration 99.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 5:06
I dislike Ubuntu for entirely different reasons: It "works", but it doesn't work like it should. Ubuntu is very much like XML: the problem it solves is not hard, and it doesn't solve it very well. PulseAudio was added far too early in the game, and it continues to cause problems for people. SysV init is the most idiotic thing to happen to UNIX since Motif. Shipping broken open-source ATI drivers instead of half-decent closed source ones because of an overblown interpretation of Free Software ideology only serves to drive new users away from that ideology. Same with the decision not to ship decoding software for mp3 and AAC. Luckily Shuttleworth's head wasn't so far up his ass that he broke GIFs too. And while we're on the subject of making things wholly boring, the GNOME configuration Ubuntu ships is horrible, and nobody in their right mind would use such a configuration on purpose. I don't want to get started on the shit surrounding enabling non-free repositories.
MONO IS EVIL! MONO WILL KILL YOU! - no it fucking won't, ubuntu devs. If you're going to recommend GNOME, you might as well install all of it. Never mind that your default user interface is worthless trash without a Mono app called GNOME-Do. Moonlight isn't evil either, but it is generally pointless. The only good thing that can ever come out of Silverlight is the - God willing - death of that shitpile called Shockwave.
It's quiz time: which is easier to patch, a kernel or a userland program? If you're like 99% of the world, and have half a brain, you picked "userland program". If Ubuntu wants to introduce Linux to people, broken drivers isn't a very good first impression. The obvious approach here is to ship stable kernels and recent software, something that any moron would have figured out five years ago, but something that the only notable company ever to come out of South Africa still doesn't understand.
There's plenty of more shit that could fill this rant, mostly targeted at parts of Ubuntu which suck, like apt and OpenOffice, but it's not worth getting carpal tunnel syndrome over. In the meantime, valiant warriors like Linux Mint are trying to fix something fundamentally broken, and hippie idealists like MEPIS and sidux are trying to reinvent something fundamentally flawed.
Ubuntu really only has two flaws: the initial concept, and the implementation.
>>69
Actually, I hate generic shooters. I was just using them as an example because they're the best genre for pointing out the horrible interfaces that consoles use.
But whatever, enjoy your extremely railroaded carbon-copy RPGs.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 6:14
>>70 But whatever, enjoy your extremely railroaded carbon-copy RPGs.
I will, thanks.
What the bloody fuck are you doing anyway? Why are you telling me this? I enjoy these games, other people don't, and guess what? I don't give a flying Philadelphia fuck what others think about them.
>>72
And on what basis are you saying that? The gist of the two posts I have made here was ``This discussion is bloody retarded, why can't we all use what we like?''.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 6:23
>>73
The gist i got was "FUCKITY FUCK FUCK I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT YOU THINK", but whatever.
We need to argue, this is the internet.
Can you calm down buddy, you sound like you are getting a bit emotional there
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Anonymous2009-09-15 6:26
>>74
Well, if you extend that to "FUCKITY FUCK FUCK I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT [THE FUCK] YOU THINK because I will still enjoy my fucking games no matter what you think and you, and everybody in general, should do the same", then yes, that would be about it.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 6:41
ITT, serious business
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Anonymous2009-09-15 6:43
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Anonymous2009-09-15 8:19
>>70
And here a bunch of genres that are inferior with kb/m: racing, fighting (especially if you want to play on the same PC) and pretty much every action-adventure and platforming game and some 3rd person shooters like Resident Evil 4. I tried playing Assassin's Creed on the PC after playing it on a console. Felt bad man.
Try playing Devil May Cry with a keyboard and tell me how it goes.
There's no doubt FPS, RTS and MMOs are superior with the keyboard and mouse but saying everything is, that's just plain retarded.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 8:31
>>79 action-adventure
you best be fucking joking, man. Grim Fandango, Monkey Island, Toonstruck, Sam & Max Hit the Road, Day of the Tentacle - all PC games, the best action adventure games ever made. fighting
you only think that because you're too used to using a console controller. I'd take Street Fighter on PC over Street Fighter on a console any day of the week. If you don't like the key mapping then you can easily change it.
Racing and platforming games are probably the same, but i don't play them because they suck.
>>79
A friend of mine played DMC3 on a laptop keyboard to completion. No problems.
I personally played MGS1 and 2 on a keyboard. No problems either.
I also played Conker's Bad Fur Day emulated with a keyboard controller. Once in the entire game I had to change the emulated sensitivity of the analog stick, since there was some sort of puzzle that required slow movements.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 8:40
>>80
Those are point and click adventure games. Honestly those would work on pretty much anything, I don't think you're dumb enough to argue PC CONTROLS ARE SUPERIOR with this one. Action-adventure games are things like Devil May Cry, God of War, Ninja Gaiden (CONSOLE GAMES HURR DURR I CAN DO IT TOO). It's a pretty broad genre actually.
Street Fighter 4 sucks. Plus fighting games are best played with friends in the same room, and unless you have one or two controllers the PC fails at this. Playing fighting games online with people you don't know is pretty lackluster.
Also shooters are now made mostly with consoles in mind (which is a bad thing, I haven't played a good multiplayer FPS since UT2004) so the PC controls aren't that much superior.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 8:43
>>81
I played MGS1 on the PC too, I kinda wish I hadn't since they took out the parts where the game fucks with you.
You're not going to have problems, but if you've played those kinds of games with a keyboard and with a controller (considering you've used a controller for more than a week) you'd find the controller setup much more natural.
You can play first person shooters on a console with no problems, the PC controls will still be better.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 8:58
>>82
yes, they are superior.
do you actually think that you can play a point and click adventure game with a fucking xbox controller? seriously? really? HIBT? i can't believe this shit. are you a masochist or something?
never played those games or heard of them, they sound pretty childish though, especially "Devil May Cry".
i haven't played street fighter 4, only 1 and 2 - i don't see how that's related anyways. i was just using it as an arbitrary example of a fighting game. i suppose you're right with the friends in the same room thing, but you CAN buy controllers for your PC and plug several in at the same time; it's by no means difficult, and it is assuredly cheaper than shelling out $600 for a console that will be rendered useless in 5 years.
yeah, most games are made with consoles in mind now. it's funny how at the same time modern FPSs are becoming easier, less creative (more like generic halo games), and more cartoonish - i wonder if there's a connection between the two.
regardless, having a console baby you with auto-aim faggotry will never be superior to the precision and skill of a mouse.
>>84
"NEVER HEARD ABOUT THEM SO I WIN". Great argument. You seem to be one of those people who only play MATURE GAMES FOR MATURE GAMERS SUCH AS YOURSELVES (aka FAGGOTS).
Anyone who buys hardware at launch is usually retarded. Consoles are $300. I know you can connect controllers to the PC, but I thought you were arguing how superior keyboard and mouse controls were for everything. Why are you arguing against it?
Ok you got me on the adventure game things. They would work on a Wii though. I find it funny you argue FPSs are getting less creative, more generic but dismiss a game solely based on its name. That along with "more cartoonish" leads me to believe you are a gigantic faggot who doesn't like creativity in games anyway. So why complain about it?
PS: You're a faggot.
Now please excuse me, I'm going to play a very colourful metroid game.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 9:30
>>87 I know you can connect controllers to the PC, but I thought you were arguing how superior keyboard and mouse controls were for everything
i was arguing that equivalent multiplayer can easily be achieved on a PC.
you're going?
ok, cya.
enjoy your childrens' games, kid.
>>89
doh ho ho, you speak for the whole of /prog/, eh?
i've been here for a very long time, and i can tell you that you're full of shit.
but hey, whatever. it's just proof that i've won due to your pathetic lack of arguments. i'm laughing at you right now. go play zelda for the millionth time, child.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 9:43
>>91
I can't see what have you "won". These people will still enjoy their games *shrug*.
>>96
that doesn't make sense and i'm sick of your whining, console baby.
i'm sick of people like you coming here because they "want to lurn how to progrem teh video gaemz XDXDXDDDDDD", go away.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 9:52
>>88
Hi, me again. Tell me this, you refuse to play games that are too colourful and have silly names(in your opinion) yet I'm the child.
The only people who act like this are either retards or 12 year old children who try to act mature to be like the cool kids. Take your pick.
Plus I don't see why you're complaining about newer games. You seem to like these newer grimdark games that only have the colours grey and brown.
>>99
thank you >>98
i haven't been a hardcore gamer for years. i don't play many games these days, but the new games i have seen have left me unimpressed.
i don't care for grimdark really, except for the s.t.a.l.k.e.r games. if you must know, my favourite game of all time is morrowind; nothing grimdark about that at all. the main reason i complain about newer games is due to the fact that oblivion was pure shit compared to its older brother (due to the fact that it was developed with consoles heavily in mind), and the fact that games like halo are so damn popular even though they are awful.
>>106
yes. i own a playstation and enjoyed playing tekken often when i was younger.
my playstation sits in a cupboard collecting dust whereas my computers hummmm along nicely constantly in use - just goes to show which is more useful and makes a better investment.
>>108
for anybody who knows what they're doing.
computers can be put to innumerable different uses.
maybe you want to use one as a sever, or one to feed movies downloaded from the internet directly into your tv - bypassing the need for a dvd player or whatever. maybe you want a separate computer for programming and one for entertainment. maybe you want several to set up a test network for practising security related skills. maybe you want a computer next to your toilet so you can surf the net while you're taking a crap (i haven't done this myself, but it's an interesting idea).
all you need is a little imagination and a little technical knowledge.
what are old consoles good for? being "collectors items", collecting dust?
>>112
emulation.
you can get emulators for pretty much any older console these days.
if you're talking about newer games then go ahead, buy your waste of money console and play your wii tennis or whatever. enjoy your shitty baby games
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Anonymous2009-09-15 10:32
>>112
then your gay. because all console-exclusive games are gay.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 10:35
>>114
I'd rather not wait 10 years for something I could play right now. Chances are those games might be very outdated by then.
>>113
i played fallout 3 and s.t.a.l.k.e.r clear sky. however, i don't have much interest in playing games these days.
actually, i have no problems upgrading my computers because i use them for many things, not just games. just a few months ago i bought an extra 4GB of RAM for my main computer. upgrades for my computer are much more useful than buying a console in so very many ways.
and that's $200-$300 for the console + $100 for each game.
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Anonymous2009-09-15 10:41
>>117
More like $30 for the game if you live in Europe and wait a month or two after release.
That is even if you buy games since every console except the PS3 is incredibly easy to pirate.