Why is Sturmfaggotry so fallible

Why is racism made of fail? Well, this may seem self-evident but to all under&ge channers out there yet to grow a clue i will here present a list of what puts the fag in sturmfagism
1) Racism. Race is an arbitrary concept at best. Theres no genetic race, i.e. one cannot see in the DNA what race someone belongs to, and there is bigger genetic difference between two breeds of dogs than there are between an south african and an inuit. Also, all the iq tests and whatnot, when one does any statistical test that compares two groups its highly unlikely that the groups will get the same score, its just an effect of stochastic sampling, i.e. if i´d test the iq of long vs short people id find one to be smarter than the other just because of coincidence. 
2) Scapegoatism. One is a failure at life but one is such a big pussy that one needs to blame somebody else. Buhu, i lost ma jaob, nao i haet mejico. This is real faggotry unbecoming anyone who has a clue.
3) Toolism. Since racists are so angry at all those who causes their problems they are ever ready to become tools to any cynical force that need idiots by the hundreds. Examples are any church, US army, any org that sells shit (Ku Klux Klan, Stormfront etc) like music or t-shirts.
4) Idiotism. Since the safety blanket of racism is a brittle veil at best education must never enter the racists mind, else it must face its own failures at life. This also includes suspecting the media being controlled by some other force than profitability, the schools and univeristies in the hands of jewish niggerloving pinkos etc. Its like believing one is living in the matrix, nothing and noone can be trusted, one self is very special because of what color one was born of.

#40, not to quibble, but Canada and Australia are European from their settlement and development; India is at least British from conquering; and nations in South America had been under European rule for some time before.  Like it or not, Europe's influence is what I'm talking about, and there's nothing wrong with calling the result the "European Model".

You are right that the "US Model" is largely only practiced in the US, but it's making inroads in ANY nation where Hypercapitalism is growing.

Also, I never declared any preference for any model; I was just identifying them.

As for "hate speech", there are enough laws on the books in Europe to make Europe a problem zone for expressing oneself.  As I said before, social institutions are stronger in Europe on the whole.

Finally, there's something critically different about outlawing "hate speech" than outlawing praying here and a curse word there.  Outlawing "hate speech" is purely Orwellian in that it tries to stop debate, period.  You can debate without resorting to prayer and cursing.  You can't discuss Niggers, Kikes, Spics and Crackers without resorting to "hate speech".

>>41
Aw shit, the US was colonized by martians or what? Admit it that european model is a fucking misnomer already!

And hypercapitalism is on a fucking decline, mainly because china has showed the world that its possible to be totalitarian and still develop lightningly fast. Had the US had the same developing speed as china then the US would have colonized Mars by now. Compare India with China in economic growth and youll find that the old adage about the market thrives in democracy is not true in two of the worlds largest countries, wich is the saying that it does not work at all and that econimic growth have had other causes in democratic countries.

Have you read any of the laws concerning this, or are you a barrister of some sort? And you have still failed to tell me which countries you are reffering to. In sweden, the law concerning this has a million loopholes, one is allowed to talk about putting fags in concentration camps as long as there is a biblical reference (Åke Green was not convicted because of this), one is allowed to say that every immigrant wants to rape our skulls in and take our jobs as long as one does not say where does immigrants come from etc. Compare this to Poland where the government has discarded books from the compulsory curriculum that express gayness, jewishness or any other "civilization-of-death" view and the pride parade is banned, similar to american mcarthyism. Is poland and sweden sharing the same model? Then that concept becomes meaningless.
 

#42, the European Model is perfectly a valid entity or characteristic, for the reasons I stated.  It's you who has to admit something.  You need to pick a point and disprove it.  You've failed to do so.  Your Canada/Australia examples, I must say, are fairly laughable.  Any credible thinker can link those nations socially to Europe.  So, I can only conclude that you're being defensive about Europe.  That doesn't serve our discussion, and if you don't stop that, I'm going to destroy you even more roughly than I've done already.

Anyway, onward.  Why on Earth do you think "[H]ypercapitalism is on a fucking decline"?  China is an example of Hypercapitalism!  It's the pursuit of profits over all other social costs.

In the USA, with such a mature economy, Hypercapitalism hasn't resulted in Chinese levels of growth.  It's resulted in the destruction of the middle class as well as the enrichment of the already staggeringly-rich class.  That's what Hypercapitalism does, too:  concentrates wealth.  It doesn't have to create more wealth before it concentrates it.  If it has its way in the USA, a very small group of people (less than 1000) will end up owning NEARLY EVERYTHING in the United States ... all on the strength of what some paper in a bank vault says.  They will live like gods.  The 300 million others will work for those 1000 in some fashion.  The top 1000000 of the workers will live quite well indeed, with mansions, servants, fleets of cars, and immunity to prosecution ... but they will only own what they own as a matter of the sufferance of the top 1000.  The next 10 million or so will live well enough, like the 1980s middle class, but they will be very dependent on following the orders of the top million to the letter, or they will be replaced from below in a heartbeat.  This 10 million will "keep the peace", meaning they will be the soldiers and managers who directly shoot and fire people, to keep the vast and poor masses in their place.

The bottom 290 million or so will be various shades of poor, largely living in shanty towns, desperate to obtain work from the top 10M (or so), the "elite", so they can get a little money to fight sickness or feed or educate (not both) their malnourished children so they can either have better health or better jobs from the elite.

Does THAT model look familiar?  Yes, it's the Imperial Model, as expressed in the modern age of well-defined Capitalism, modified by Hypercapitalism.  Everything will be owned, and armed classes exist to enforce those claims of ownership.  It will not be like prior ages when all you had to do is seize land and farm it in order to ward off starvation; in modern America, all the land is owned, and the owners can strongly enforce their lands claims.

Now, onto the European Model of overly limiting the freedom of speech.  You reference Sweden, yet try to wriggle out of it all by saying there are loopholes.  Those don't deny the truth of my statement; the base laws only make it true.  There is no chance whatsoever of being convicted in America of "thoughtcrime".  In Sweden -- your alleged divergent nation from the "European Model of Antispeech" -- however, there is.  You only made my case for me.

And the case is this:  In the European Model of social organization, there TENDS TO BE (note the words) laws against freedom of speech.  For what you can freely and commonly say in America, you are liable for in Europe, IN GENERAL (again, note the words).

>>43
Okay, rinse repeat. The US was colonized by europeans and are therefore socially linked to the Europe, like Australia, Canada, India, different parts of South America, South Africa, Japan, China, South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia etc. If it was the social conection that was the thing then you have to explain how the US was able to diverge from all other colonies in model aplication else your theory fails. I assumed this was evident from the the ironic claim of the US being colonized by martians, but i guess nothing is evident when discussing with retards.

China is more marketfriendly now yet calling the country capitalist (or hypercapitalist, your definition is retarded btw for obvious reasons) is a bit of a stretch. This is one of my problems with libertarians, redefining everything yet using the terms in their old meaning. Trying to win through sleight of hand when ones arguments are weaker than Montgomery Burns.

Your theories about the future does not interest me, yet you should actually read more Marx so you could attain a grasp of what is needed in a society. But i assume your sect has put a fatwa on him...

There is no chance of being convicted in America of thoughtcrime? No, i guess not since if youre a taliban you get no trial at all, just a oneway ticket to the concetration camp. Shit, this really annoys me, young punks who have no clue about their own history. Okay, read more about eg COINTELPRO then come back, your country is the fucking master in thought control.

But yeah, okay, sweden has laws making it illegal wearing swastikas and calling for the eradication of races or lifestyles. But as i said earlier, there is a democratic consensus that this is needed, and the law can be revoked. I agree it sets a dangerous precedent, yet i fail to go along the steep slippery slope you so gleefully slides down. Calling it a thoughtcrime is a strawman of ridiculous dimensions, then its a thoughtcrime not being allowed to say fuck on CNN or whatever (cursing and nudity is very frequent in swedish media btw). And isnt it illegal for gays of joining the US army? That is at least thought discrimination, wouldt you say? Whats next, virgins like you wont be allowed to go to bars, oh the HUMANITY! 

The US was colonized by Europeans, true, but there was a remarkable break with Europe called the AMERICAN REVOLUTION.  The break with Britain was rather strong.  In contrast, Canada and Australia still pay lip service to the fucking Queen.  There's a great difference here if you'd only admit it.

At any rate, the development of the US kept it at odds with Europe.  The end product is what we see now:  America doesn't have Europe's social institutions, her socialized medicine, her restrictive laws, and so on.  In sheer size and overall cultural force, the end result is the American Model ... which by definition contrasts to the European Model.  One influences the other, but they are different and those who live within one seem to prefer it in opposition to the other.

"Market friendly" is not "Human friendly", and is one of the core reasons why Hypercapitalism is such a terrible thing.  Since you seem to be a market fundamentalist, I'm sure you don't even understand what I just said.  People are the most important thing in life, not profits.  You can still have profits after taking minimum care of people, but if you start caring more for profits the people suffer immensely.  The American Model shows how this is true.  What clouds the issue is the outrageous affluence of the minority who best benefit from the American Model.  Media outlets in the USA constantly cater to the upper middle class and you'd swear Americans were greatly wealthy by just confining yourself to reading and watching those outlets.  The truth is otherwise.

Hypercapitalism's definition is not retarded and you are just badmouthing it since stopping it is bad for your stock portfolio.  The "pursuit of privatized profits regardless of socialized costs" is the core definition.  The only thing retarded about complaining about layoffs and pollution is to deny the harmful effects of them.

Sure, privatized-profits/socialized-cost is "market friendly" alright, until the consumers are swimming the waste products of the industries they foolishly tolerated up until then.  This is why Globalism is so important to pushing the Hypercapitalist agenda ... so that capital can move much faster and farther than any labor can, and allows exploitation to occur most efficiently in labor and resource areas that are the most vulnerable.

You Marx quip is about the standard response from a Hypercapitalist who can't tolerate even one law regulating the use of capital.  Your extremist opinion in this matter can be dismissed summarily.  Being in a prevailing opinion group (i.e. with the Hypercapitalists) is not the same as being correct.

Despite aberrations like the Nixon and Bush years, America not the thoughtcrime culture like Europe is.  And as for the Taliban, sure, those people deserve trials, but they were captured during military operations and not just for standing up in a market square and espousing on certain topics.  I can hardly defend their imprisonment, as my government stopped listening to people like me a long time ago, but at least you have to admit they are there not for philosophy but for physical actions.  Without all this warfare, they would not be there.

As a final note, Sweden should put a stop to the anti-Swastika crap since it's the heart of the European Model.  The freedom of speech adopted in America can be taken up quite liberally in Europe if they'd just stop controlling thought on WWII.

I am not >>44.

>>45

The American Revolution didn't and doesn't break the inherent sociocultural ties had with Europe. Regardless, America IS just as guilty as thought-crime and if you'd even do rudimentary research on the subject via google or even your local news outlet you'd understand how completely silly it is for you to espouse Europe's policies on free speech.

From Vietnam, to Iraq, to Panama, to Cuba, to Russia, to Korea, 9/11, to the Scooter Libby trail. There's double-think and thought control abound in the US. And it really doesn't matter "what model" is it. Stop being a faggot.

The anti-Swastika shit is give or take. We're not allow to see titts or hear the word fuck or shit. I really don't much of a difference in the two. I guess it's all a preference, eh?

Sorry to have confused you with #44.  Thoughtcontrol in the USA is well enacted by popular support and collusion, not from legal power.  This is a marked difference from the European Model which requires thoughtcontrol be codified into law.  That you can find examples of thoughtcontrol in America is irrelevant to that point.

As for seeing tits in America, despite the censorship of them on a variety of public media outlets, America is the "Tit Capitol of the World".  Anyone who wants to see tits in America can see them, and that was true before we had the Internet (which, as you know, is merely a Pornography Distribution Network that we also use for email, etc.).  You're right that there's a level of preference involved, however.

RedCream, why hasn't it happenned yet? We've all had enough of your pathological worship of this Marx character, he was just a human and whatever his merits he also made mistakes. None of Marx's predictions came true, worker's revolts quickly became violent tyrannies and 9/10 worse than the last regime as they indoctrinate "the people" to believe they were on their side. The US is the land of liberty, people come here for money and opportunities not free medicare or to raise a family, if they wanted that and had a brain the size of mine they'd to go to Canada instead.

I'm new to the thread. Didn't want to give the impression that I'm the other guy (who is totally right in disagreeing with you)

>>47

Your nebulous definition of "Though control" or "The European Model" doesn't disprove that America is just as guilty as Europe is when it comes to thought control. Regardless, America does have thought control mechanisms embedded in some legislature and only someone ignorant of this would dare deny it.

"You're right that there's a level of preference involved, however."

Then what does that tell you about the overall relevance of pointing out what Europe does with free speech? Your need to compartmentalize and set these countries against each other makes you mentally weak. The West is America and Europe combined with other countries which have adopted the "Western Model". If any of these countries have a problem with thought control then the whole model is flawed. Stop cherry-picking over the truth to support your flaccid arguments.

#48, what hasn't WHAT happened, yet?  Try referencing prior posts by number, turdbrain!

As for America, we who are born here didn't make some conscious choice to pursue a money-making career of it.  We're here to LIVE, which includes raising families to be other than slaves of the elite.

And again, regulating capitalism is NOT MARXISM.  The "Marx" thing is the largest straw man on 4chan, and in fact in most economic discussions in America.  Somebody points out some excess of some business, and you shills start screaming "MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST!" like Rush Limbaugh on an overdose of Oxycontin.  What indoctrinated assholes you little fuckers are!

#49, there was nothing nebulous about my definitions.  Name ONE law in America that stops you from making political statements.  About the only things you might be able to find are SLAPP lawsuits, or "slander against an industry", all of which are merely based upon the American Model of a legal system that runs on money.  SLAPPs can be defeated if you have enough money.

As for models, you are coming around to understand, but just won't take that final step.  Yes, there is a Western Model, but it is composed of the American Model and the European Model.  Both the AmerMdl and EuroMdl are fairly united when it comes to bombing and bankrupting the Third World.

As I said before and will repeat as often as necessary until you stop fucking around and acknowledge it's true:  thoughtcontrol in America is NOT government based.  The people themselves engage in thoughtcontrol.  The media also engages in it.  But once you break through that control, THERE IS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO STOP YOU.  This is NOT what happens in Europe, when there are a variety of laws (depending on nation, including a few who have none) that stop you from making public announcements purely on the basis of the politics of what you say.

America is hardly some non-evil place for what we're talking about.  However, you somehow write off the European Model for government supremacy and that's a huge blind spot for you.

>>51

Keep repeating yourself all you want, because monotonous repetition is the only way you're going to convince anyone that your assertions are correct.

The Western Model is the Western Model. Period. I just stated that you're mincing words and playing the semantics game to distract from the truth. Why you would turn right around repeat the behavior? Are you unconscious of it or do you think no one will notice?

It's very much like I said. Anyone who thinks the government doesn't actively participate in thought control and double think is just simply ignorant. All it takes is typing "Thought Control, Double Think, America" into google to prove you wrong.

Maybe you should go back to freezing your boyfriend's turds and using them as dildos for your ravaged ass, eh 'Mo? The only thing you seem to be educated in is the art of supreme faggotry.

>>45
I am #44 (as the ID should show).

Okay, so the american revolution led to a break with european thought. And Indias revolution did not create a break?
Okay, the hodgepodge you put everything you dont like and call it "the other" are part keynesianism, which the US used extensivly, both under Roosevelt (which led to a war victory, just like the command economy in the USSR) and Johnson. Its not foreign for the US, not on a philosophical scale nor on any other scale. You confuse late trends with cultural current, a common mistake for someone that has your immaturity.

Your definition of hypercapitalism is retarded because its to wide and to fuzzy. We in the civilized world call that the neoliberal paradigm or some such. Neoliberalism is the core at least, the return to classical macroeconomic theory, espoused by fascists like friedman and the rest of the chikago school.

Me, im a communist of the trotskyist kind with some eco-anarchic tendencies. We read Marx for economic counter theory and Chomsky for imperialistic examples, i assume you have read neither and ask yourself why. I as an antilibertarian have read friedman, why havent you read marx (the communist  manifesto does not count since its just a political pamphlet and not a book of theory)? If europeans have developed more thought control than the americans it seems a strange creature which assumes one is as wellread on the enemys theories as ones own. Is critical thinking thought control? You should read 1984 once again and see how your lack of language and theory has confused your reasoning to such an extent that you just dont make any sense, albeit in all wellmeaning.

COINTELPRO is not an aberration. Read the family jewels. Read more about your fucking country, and try to read the shit your sectleader does not want you to read. Form an oppinion based on facts and sober analysis, not on strawmen and slippery slope arguments.

You seem to have missed the discussion about CIA kidnapping people all over the world (not only in combat zones), flying them to either secret prisons or to states where torture is legal (like Egypt). Several of these people have been found to be innocent, kidnapped only because they share a name or made an contribution. In afghanistan the populace was paid bounties for turning in talibans. Guess what happens when you give poor people money for turning in arbitrary people? Why doesnt you know this?

And whats the difference between democratic consensus and popular suport and collusion? And why are the thought control different if its from the government than if its from private business? Why do you believe there is such a difference and why does i see them as two different sides of the same thing? 

>>53

4th International still around?

>>54
Sure is.
http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/

#52, since you made no salient point whatsoever, I win the argument.  You could have been a man about it an just concede that I destroyed your argument, but it's hard to find men on 4chan.

I mean, I said the Western Model was a superset that involved two distinct entities, the American Model and the European Model.  What was your response? "The Western Model is the Western Model."  That's filled to the brim with fail.

I will repeat as often I as need to, that in the USA, though control has no legal basis.  In Europe, there are nations where thought control is codified into law and pursued by the government.  Q.E.D.  I'm right.  You're wrong.

You'd think that you'd have gotten used to that by now.  But I leave you to your pointless point-making.  Why not just start screaming "Europe is Europe" over and over, for all the good your sophomoric arguments do you?

>>56

If it's men you want, I'm sure there's a local gay bath-house in your area hiring human jizzmops.

The Western Model doesn't involve two distinct entities or else it wouldn't be a stand-alone Western model. I bet you still think there's a "two party" system at work in America.

You never proved that thought control isn't legislated in American government. In light of the war on drugs, the war on terror and the patriot act...I find hard to believe that you don't see those as mechanisms of thought control. Do you even know what thought control is?

Your approach is so narrowminded and deeply rooted in ignorance that you try to "win" this argument based on semantics and nebulous (also: dis proven) logic. As evidenced by your lack of substancial replies to >>53 and myself, the only point being made here is...........


.....hahaha. Just kidding.

You've been trolled, faggot.

wsrdfg

Being trolled still mean I won the argument.  I don't care what you people do as long as you eventually admit that I'm right and that you're wrong.  Though control is NOT codified into American law like it is into European law, with certain exceptions which don't deny the basic truth of my statement.  The Western Model is most certainly a contentious fusion between the American Model (which largely excludes Canada and Mexico, who serve supporting roles) and the European Model.  Ask Africans and Southeast Asians if there's a Western Model, and they'll tell you a lot about military and economic interference in their affairs.  THOSE are where the Amer and Euro models are closely aligned.  HOWEVER, the models differ remarkably in where they treat their own populations, for the reasons I said over and over.  Socialized medicine is very identifiable difference between the two, and for the effect is has upon a population, it's enough to make the two models different enough to give them different names.

Like I said before, I already won this argument.  Eventually those of you without sufficient dignity and honesty will cede the point by simply going silent, or by doing some 4chan bullshit by mimicking my namefaggotry, etc.  But all that doesn't matter, since what really matters is who's right and what's right.  I've already established both.  The case is made; what remains is to have the people involved realize what the score really is (basically, RedCream [4], Opponents [BIG FAT ZERO]).

>>59
Jesus, you are embarresing yourself.

What do you even mean by model? In the start of the debate it was a percieved difference on your part in the handling of racism between the US and "Europe". Now its military and social and economic and everything else, and gods know what the point you are trying to make. I concede that you won the argument, since you are clearly not arguing with me but with yourself. Since you dont seem to acknowledge anything ive written in >>53 i dont really know how to continue. I guess my questions are to hard for you to answer, yet its funny that you interpret your own inabilities as argument wins. You are making me smile, thanks for that.

I cant say if thought control has legal basis in the US, i objected from the start at calling laws governing hate crimes for thought control and i still believe its a hueg strawman necessary for you to exclaim US superiority. But sure i concede just for the fuck of it, there is no legal basis in the US and there is in "Europe". Yet you have still to counter then with more obvious government meddeling in civil liberties (like COINTELPRO which you seem to ignore as a fucking plauge) of both  US citizens and non-citizens. But yeah, concentration camps, surveilence and infiltration of political groups like the salvation army, torture schools, coups, assassinations, drug running etc are harmless compared to the hellish orwellian scenario of not being allowed to incite mob violence towards minorities. You sir, are a true winnar!

And stop whining ffs, by namefaggotry you are inviting mass bullying, you are just a attention whore who does not yet understand how to handle yourself on this esteemed board of distinguished gentlemen. Lurk the fuck moar. 

#60, I'll make this short for now and will come back to it later, perhaps tonight when I get back home from fucking whores (well, not really, but I *will* be back home anyway).

It's assuredly a cultural "model" to have something like a pervasive socio-economic institution, or the lack of it.  In Europe, the model includes socialized medicine.  In the US, the model EXCLUDES it (since the model relies on for-profit, privatized, insurance-company dominated healthcare).

It's interesting to explore these models in where they test their own rules.  For example, in the US, there are public health programs to cover the emergency health care of the poor.  For another example, the the US, you can get a form of underhanded socialized medicine by racking up the bills during an emergency (with follow-on care), and then bankrupting.

I admit, I'm a wanker. I really don't know what I'm talking about, but it's fun to pretend to be intellectual.

Now, onto the corn holing.

>>60 wins for pacifying a retarded faggot.

RedCream doesn't even know what "thought control" is. It's illegal in this country (I'm American) to burn a dollar bill. Why? Is it to control the perception that the government isn't printing this money out of thin air with little or no actual backing on the market?

Any law or bill or measure taken to strip the American people of their freedoms and natural rights and make them alright with anything less than the absolute truth is a form of thought control.

I don't think any conscious person cares if it has been "codified" or not. Therefore RedCream's comparison is completely unnecessary.  All he is saying is: "Yes. America is guilty of thought crime, but at least it's not a LAW, like in Europe."

Thought control is thought control. And being that America and Europe are the West. It says a lot about how we as westerners think when it comes to crimes perpetuated upon your freedom by our governments... when we're sitting here comparing the styles in which they fuck us over.

Jesus liked mudkips...

#63, if that's your definition of thought control, then any government enacts it.  Isn't that a rather pointless point since it brooks no comparisons between current governments?

In Europe, it's fairly common to have a law that illegalizes perfectly sane and calm speech that threatens no one.  That just doesn't happen in America except for the "shoot the President" stuff (which arguably threatens somebody even if they well deserve it).

Burning a dollar bill isn't "speech".  You're destroying government property that we citizens have every right to demand is protected.  Note well that burning a flag is legal expression since it's your own flag, buddy -- you should be able to do what you want with it.  (Note well that America's rightwingnuts want to CODIFY that in the law (the US Constitution, no less!) as illegal.  That's why sensible men despise the right wing, and why despicable men BECOME the right wing.)

If you think burning money is "speech" and you can "express" by destroying it, then you may as well say burning the local post office during a riot is ALSO speech that somehow deserves protection under the US Constitution.  (The wise judge should still toss out any case brought before him for "burning a dollar bill" since it's just a fucking dollar.  Gimme a break!)

>>65
Funny, it isnt illegal to say "shoot teh premier in his fat face!" (in sweden at least) but is illegal to say "shoot teh nigras and the joos!". Yet you claim that sweden has more thought control.

But since sweden is a constitutional monarchy the king is the de facto head of state and commander in chief and he has legal immunity. This is codified into law yet no  sane person would say that the king has any political power whatsoever. Hes not allowed to express political opinion, its not illegal for him to do so but its an understanding between the democratic government and him that if he does try to sway people in this or that direction he'll be ousted and sweden will become a republic. So he shuts up and hes powerless (yet an important symbol for the patriots, idiots as they are). What i mean by this is that legal codification does not necessaraly have anything to do with reality, this subtle point is well worth to take into consideration for you on your crusade against anything tainted by the european thought of liberté, égalité & fraternité.

And the US right wing are a splinter cell of the european model in the US? French socialist moles trying to subvert the american revolution into a orwellian hell? Oh the humanity!

Yeah, and that's another thing, chanfag:  a constitutional monarchy has differences from a democratic republic.  The European Model includes the concept of the power of a monarch.  True, it's not like (for example) the BritQueen would dare to fail to approve a new government under "her" Prime Minister.  Yet, she could if she wanted to.  Is it just a paperwork issue?  If so, why not flush the monarchies right the fuck out of Europe?  I believe it's not done since the concept of the authority of a monarch simmers in the background of the European Model.

For some reason, you chanfags love to suck the extreme fail of not recognizing the scale of things.  "Shoot the leader" only concerns ONE PERSON, and few people issue threats against that person.  In addition, that person is well protected; he's the last person we should ever seriously worry about when it comes to threats of violence.  However, the "nigras and joos" are individuals in the millions, and are not surrounded 24/7 by crack security teams.  By illegalizing saying bad things about them, Sweden has suppressed far more people and far more liberty.

The point I continue to make is that you don't have the same level of freedom of speech as you do in America.  Yes, there are exceptions, such as the European Model being far more tolerant of spontaneous demonstrations, yet overall America scores higher on the scale of the MOST liberty for the MOST people.  That's the American Model ... which is being whittled down decade by decade, unfortunately.

Look, could you honor a request?  It's a little one and it won't be too painful for you.  Could you?  OK, here it is:

PLEASE COME UP WITH AN ARGUMENT THAT CAN'T BE KNOCKED DOWN IN LESS THAN 30 SECONDS BY AN 8-YR-OLD HOPPED UP ON PERCODAN?

That's it.  Thanks for listening.

>>67
I wouldnt have a hissy fit until the questions posted in >>53 has been attended to if i were you.

Some countries in europe are not republics but monarchies, which you interpret as the european desire for totalitarian authority and thought control. Yet the american president has more legal power than any similar head of state in europe. The US president has more monarchic power than the staunchest socialist swedish premier ever! I, now in RedCream Strawman Mode, interpret that as the american models wish to have a emparor with nukes who must be a white christian male since the pacifying system has driven about half the population away from the ballot boxes and the rest are just different forms of zealot crazies. Since the americans are so jeloux of the french system of win the americans must conquer ex french colonies like vietnam and afghanistan, ok not afghanistan but you get the point.
Why not flush the fucking god emperor to hell? No, the president is sacred, one can not say that one would like to put a bullet in his vacous head.

Sweden has suppressed the freedom of some racist nutjobs while increased the freedom of immigrants and gays. Yes, the freedom to say that nigras should be pinatas are encroaching on nigras freedom, the freedom from fear. The scales are such here that the racist are in minority. I guess its different in the states, must be all that uncodified thought control.

And COINTELPRO? Any thoughts on that?

If you'd take your own cock out of your mouth, #68, you'd remember where Fascism reared it's ugly head over millions of people in the 20th Century.  Oh, yeah, that's fucking right:  EUROPE!  The European desire for totalitarianism is WELL DOCUMENTED.

Equally well documented (but much denied in public) is the current decay of the American Model of individual liberty.  THAT is what you're seeking, El Fucko, when you identify with the power of the US President.  The current little fucker is right there in his Oval Orifice -- stretched wide by all the Neo-Cons behind him -- signing and endless string of executive orders, trying to kill the Republic as fast as possible.

BUT HE'S ONLY TRYING TO KILL WHAT EXISTS!  That is hardly my desire and you should not confuse the two.

As for the rest of your drivel:  "Freedom from fear" is the European Model.  It doesn't actually work since people become arbitrarily afraid of ANYTHING.  In fact, the "freedom from fear" faux argument is hard at work here in America, where despite the well expressed and Constitutionally-affirmed right to keep and bear arms, municipalities and judges too often codify the right away.  For example, for 20 years the ownership of guns in Washington DC was denied by municipal law.  That was unconstitutional all along, but it took 20 years to overthrow it.  I'm sure you'd focus on the codification, over the right to overthrow it.

"Freedom from fear" is not a natural right, and the verve for its uptake in Europe only shows a part of their culture.  In short, it's part of the European Model.  It's morally wrong, but what the fuck can I really say about it?  I'm not a European.  I have no power nor authority to change the laws of Europe.

And for the last fucking time, COINTELPRO was an aberration and is the exception that PROVES THE RULE of American liberty.  I've fucking got a BOOK on COINTELPRO right on my shelf, you horsetwit:

  "The COINTELPRO Papers" by Ward Churchill and Jim Wall

And for the record, you just got PWNED.  The 30-second pwnage was unfortunately achieved AGAIN!

P.S.  "Uncodified thought control"?  BY GEORGE I THINK YOU GOT IT!  That's what I was saying all along!  Thought control in America is NOT based upon government power!

Type faster, #68.  I know you make more mistakes when you're angry, but you've got to learn to TYPE FASTER!

Ah, forget it.  I'm off to another board.  Catch ya on the flip side!

>>69
So how is the voter turnout in the US compared to Europe. Last election in sweden were around 80%. Yeah, real totalitarian. And read moar about the busines coup attempt. And FYI, the reason laws against incitement of hate crimes are enacted at all are because one does not want to repeat fascism. See, we learn and adapt.

Okay, so theres an aberration now, there was an aberration before etc. COINTELPRO started what, around teh end of the second world war and ended in the nineties? And then a couple of years later the patriot act enter the scene? How many unabarretic years have it been? Or do we have to go back to revolutionary times to guage the average american model in action? Nice.

Well, as an european i believe that the freedom from fear, that everybody has a right to feel safe in society, is a natural right while i dont believe that owning an arsenal is a natural right. And i assume that the only reason you believe that weapons are a natural right is because somebody wrote that in a legal document some 300 years ago. In sweden we like to progress with the times, you should try it, theyve invented the internet naow!

And the CIA kidnapping people, the concentration camps, the torture schools, the assassinations, the coups, the drugrunning, the international terrorism (bombing of nicaraguan harbor by CIA-operatives in the eighties), got books on those too?

>>72
Ask the CIA.

My best friend came to study here from Paris.  She talks about an election in France, a recent and federal one, for the big boss chair.  Some super right wing guy...  lives a castle, has a glass eye (eye patch, on occassion)...  likely addresses his bound and gagged enemies as Monsieur Bond.

He tried to pull some crazy Bush-style shit, rising to power under EXTREMELY suspicious circumstances.  I haven't slept in 2 days so I'm fuzzy on the details, but Supreme Court judges appointed by republicans appointing presidents?  The French equivalent of that.

The people STORMED out into the streets.  He was advocating mass expulsion of Algerians and such (that's where he lost his eye), and whites and blacks joined hands together to flip over and burn cars.  Paris was SHUT DOWN until concessions were made and the election results were cleared up.  It was glorious.

It doesn't matter which side of the debate you're on america, gross as it is that the limitless spectrum of political thought has been filtered down to two sides (THAT'S thought control)...  what matters is, it's clear to everyone how pissed off so many people are.  So very many, many, many people.  So many americans hate their lives and their circumstances, what has been tossed upon them and what lies ahead of them, what's happening to the world...  on BOTH SIDES.

If americunts are so much more free than the eurofags, then how come they limit their political expression to putting signs up on people's lawns and wearing buttons, and at most (GASP), cheering for either fox news or the daily show.

There's a lot I love about america, but the more that lot I love lets all that I hate so much thrive and giggle, the more mandarin lessons I take.

Chinese seem to have very limited taboos in diet, eating chicken feet and bear paws and the like... I wonder if in this, america's final century, we can find a market for fat ass americans as a food stuff export?

Can you IMAGINE that?  Tracking down the 1,200lbs shuttins that are completely unheard of nearly everywhere else and loading them into ryder trucks for $2 a pound?  Now that's good eatin' :D

How RedCream's "points" (snicker) can take a drumming like this, with absolutely no substantial reply is beyond lulz-worthy.

>>65

#63, if that's your definition of thought control, then any government enacts it.  Isn't that a rather pointless point since it brooks no comparisons between current governments?

Sorry, shitbrain. But that's not "my" definition. That's the definition. And it isn't a "pointless point" (daft terminology, btw) BECAUSE it "brooks no comparisons between current governments. The only reason you don't understand this is because it skullfucks your flowery arguments.


In Europe, it's fairly common to have a law that illegalizes perfectly sane and calm speech that threatens no one.  That just doesn't happen in America except for the "shoot the President" stuff (which arguably threatens somebody even if they well deserve it).

Hate speech about killing niggers and jews isn't "calm speech that threatens no one". Of course, the swastika means fuck all to americans but you simply must understand that *gasp* things in Europe are different. The swastika IS hate speech. And it threatens not only jewish minorities but the society as a whole.

Burning a dollar bill isn't "speech".  You're destroying government property that we citizens have every right to demand is protected.

Any action is speech. Why is it, when your little bubble is threatened by logic that you automatically compartmentalize? If Burning a dollar bill isn't speech, then neither is the swastika. So it doesn't fucking matter if Sweden or any other place on the globe codifies it's banishment into law. 

Secondly, THE PROBLEM is that dollar bills shouldn't be "government property". It's MY money. I earned it. I should be able to burn it if I want. To say otherwise is flat out thought control and the fact that you are even arguing this point proves me correct.


If you think burning money is "speech" and you can "express" by destroying it, then you may as well say burning the local post office during a riot is ALSO speech that somehow deserves protection under the US Constitution.

Not the same thing you fucking dumbass. Nice try, though. Burning local post office damages private property and puts other people's lives at risk. Burning a dollar bill does FUCK ALL and harms no one but the owner of the bill. Anti-bill burning legislature serves only to control the perception of value. End of discussion.

Not all speech is protected in America and Hate Speech would likely be classified as a "fighting word", which is not protected by the First Amendment.  So hate speech is not legal in the United States.

dem's fightin' words!

hate speech is legal in the united states don't be a retard

cheers to the guy who posted this. it's nice to know that some people have the right idea about "race".

"one cannot see in the DNA what race someone belongs to"
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