"Every hour in America, sixteen women will encounter a rapist. Since 1960, rape has risen 500%, and it is reported once every forty-six seconds. One in eight women will be raped at least once. Comparatively, in a study of convicted rapists, 86% of the rapists admitted to routine use of pornography, while 57% said that they would actually mimic specific pornographic scenes while raping a woman.
Pornography has grown into a thirteen billion dollar a year industry, and it exceeds the combined revenues of America’s foremost sport franchises--baseball, basketball, and football.
The dual proliferation of pornography and rates of rape in America are not coincidental. Pornography, rape, and other acts of injustice directly coincide; it is time for the dark perception in society that says pornography is a victimless crime and harmless freedom to be erased."
Pornography is vile and disgusting, degrades women, and further legal attention may be needed for women. The notion that it is simply a 'victimless crime' or a 'harmless freedom' is a dangerous one. Pornography is harmful to women and women's rights. Women have the right to live free of the fear of being raped, and free of being regarded as mere sex objects.
Pornography firmly entrenches in people's minds the notion that women are mere sex objects or hunks of meat. If we are to have a future in which the sexes are truly equal and a future in which women are respected, pornography must go.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:27
women ARE sex objects
that's what they're FOR
IT'S NOT RAPE IF THE MALE IS HORNY
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:30
thirteen billion industry means more jobs and more money,how is that a bad thing
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:32
Isn't it Japan that has tons of pornography, much of it depicting rape, and yet has one of the lowest rape rates in the world?
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:33
>>1 I have been enlightened. Fuck pornography. It needs to be shot down, thrown into a hole, then have the hole nuked, then have cement poured into the hole. Good ridance to bad rubbish.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:33
The increase of Rape in America follows the increase of Hispanics and Blacks.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:34
>>3 Because the widespread use of porn is harmful to women and women's rights.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:37
"Women have the right to live free of the fear of being raped, and free of being regarded as mere sex objects."
Actually no, they don't have these rights. Sorry.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:38
Women like to be raped. If they didn't, they wouldn't fantasize about it.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:41
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
There are so many holes in your argument, that I can't even begin to fill them with my rock hard rebuttal, thrusting it into you until you finally give in, as I spill my truth all over your ignorance.
justbecause all rapists watch porn doesn't mean porn causes rape. i bet they all watched a violent movie, and probably use some of their methods from said violent films, should we ban them too?
guns dont kill people, people kill people.
porn doesn't rape people, sick freaks with violent tendancies people people.
out of the number of people as a whole that watch porn, how many DONT rape anyone? i'd like to see those numbers. you take a poll and ask if porn is the precise cause of their motives to rape and maybe i'll believe you.
degrade women? possibly. but it's entertainment, fantasy, FICTION. i've yet to join an orgy of cheerleaders after their bus breaks down in front of my house. how about you ask those who preform in porn if it degrades them. No one is forcing anyone to watch porn, it's available as entertainment, nothing more. not guide books for abuse, and certaily not tips and tricks for rape.
Yeah i bet it's a thirteen billion dollar a year industry, sex sells. plus you're talking about nickel and diming their way to the top, the millions of $9.95 girls gone wild VHS tapes, the website ring subscriptions, the impulse magazine purchases. Sure sports deals with a ton of money, but it's all at once, and not everyone can just start a franchise, but anyone with a camera, a website, and sexual organs can make a website and sell their amature videos.
Sorry, but it'll be many a blue moon before i point at media as the root of our social problems. try taking personal responsability for ones own actions, blame the rapists for the rape, not what they watched to warm up.
The fact that women will date a negro proves they like to be abused.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:48
>>12
"porn doesn't rape people, sick freaks with violent tendancies people people."
Unfortunately, that isn't a hundred percent accurate. There are certain environmental considerations that must be made. People are influenced by interactions they have with their environment. As such, rape is an effect, porn the cause.
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Anonymous2006-09-08 23:49
>>16
"As such, rape is an effect, porn the cause."
Can you prove that? That porn is even the main cause for rape?
alright, take away porn, all of it, even the sports illustrated swimsuit edition. now what? OH YEAH, THERE ARE STILL RAPES GOIN ON. possibly even more. if prohibition has taught us anything, it's that the more you tabboo something, the more attractive it seems, esp if there's insufficient enforcement. The internet is a mighty big place. lots of places to hide. child por is illegal, yet it still seems to thrive within peer to peer clients, with only hand fulls of arrests made. now think of porn, and how widespread it is now. i know i personally have more than 100 gigs of mixed porn on my computer. and that's just me. think of everyone with the same amount, even more, ready and willing to fill the content gap should it arise. sure, you may ban porn, but only in its current professional form. you'll still get stuff we kept, stuff we saved, stuff we made ourselves. Rape is a far deeper social problem than just porn, and it's noth environmental factors that need to be delt with, not just what rapists happen to anjoy when they're not, you know, raping.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 0:07
>>18
That's a nice bunch of statistics. But many of them don't have anything to do with rape or porn. Not to mention that simple correlation does not prove causation.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 0:11
>>19 Through monitoring of the internet, among other things, it might be possible to track down pornographers and porn-watchers without excessive searches on the rest of the population. It is imperitive that this is done to ensure the protection of women and women's rights.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 0:44
>>21
So we should spy on people in order to protect women's rights? Hypocritical. Just give up, it will be a cold day in Hell when you convince 4chan that porn is bad.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 0:47
>>22 The police powers are already there and necessary to counter the activities of terrorists. It would be a simple matter to then apply the same methods to countering other illegal activities, such as pornographers and drug users. It could be done. Also, if it saves the life of just one woman, isn't it worth it?
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Anonymous2006-09-09 0:51
Porn which glorifies rape causes rape. Porn which shows women enjoying sex will condition a would be rapist to not get what he expected when he molests a woman and probably be too shocked to continue.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 0:54
>>22 Sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice some personal freedoms in order to keep people safe. To do any less would be selfish.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 0:54
>>21
this is a very monoptic view point. you seek to sacrifice our right to privacy in order to enforce what you THINK is the cause of rape. As well intentioned as your motives are, nothing is worth stomping on our constitutional rights.
"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" Ben Franklin
It's an over used quote, but no more less valid.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 1:00
>>26 The correlation between the abuse of women and the proliferation of pornography is evident. Some constitutional rights must be sacrificed for the sake of keeping people safe. Reasonable gun controls must be enacted to keep people from becoming victims of gun violence.. reasonable controls on porn are necessary to protect both women's dignity and their bodies from assault by rapists. To say that you simply will not compromise is selfish at the very least. If it saves even one woman, it will be worth it. Sacrificing freedom is a sad thing to have to do, but it is the price one must pay for keeping women safe.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 1:03
>>23
the sheer amount of child pornography available in the internet says differntly. child porn is already illegal, and there is already initiatives to hunt it down and eliminate it. yet it still exists in mass amounts. and you're saying that it's possible to patrol the internet and eliminate all porn? sorry, to burst your bubble, but this is impossible.
also, what's more worth the time, protecting abused children, or full grown women at the very least able to defend themselves?
incidently, i smell troll all over this thread. someone is playing devils advocate without reguard to logic or realistic circumstances. there are far more important things you have to consider when looking at the causes of violent crimes, let alone violent sexual crimes. porn is simply an easy scapegoat because most us are already reigned into thinking it's wrong and dirty. Again, you're blaming the media as if it were an explicite guidebook to criminal action. violent video games dont create teenage murderes, even though those kids might have playd said games before participating in criminal activity.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 1:12
>>28
"violent video games dont create teenage murderes, even though those kids might have playd said games before participating in criminal activity."
Yet another classic example. Experiances in environments shape the way a person will turn out. Playing excessively violent video games might make one become a violent person. Watching violent pornography can make one view women with disrespect, and causes some people to commit rape. Having a culture that glorifies and proliferates guns leads to gun violence.
Obviously, we have a very volatile mixture here. When combined, we can see the formulation of our modern violence epidemic. It is necessary to sacrifice some of our freedoms to keep women safe. Again, if it saves just one woman, wouldn't it be worth it? Obviously you must compromise some freedom for the sake of safety.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 2:31
>>29
"Obviously you must compromise some freedom for the sake of safety. "
ok, your logic is all over the palce here. beforeful with your wording.
"Yet another classic example. Experiances in environments shape the way a person will turn out. Playing excessively violent video games might make one become a violent person."
ok, you say MIGHT, which is true, it MIGHT do those things, and then again it MIGHT not.
"Watching violent pornography can make one view women with disrespect, and causes some people to commit rape."
ok, it CAN POSSIBLY make one view women with disrespect, but it's not guarenteed. and it does cause SOME people to commit rape, though how many you can't be sure, and what other factors could have contributed equally you are also not sure of.
"Having a culture that glorifies and proliferates guns leads to gun violence."
DOES lead to? you can't be certain. you can't be certain it's equally the fault of poor parenting and poor living conditions.
"Again, if it saves just one woman, wouldn't it be worth it?"
No. to deny a coutry of people their right to privacy to protect the single life of a person is NOT worth it. i dont want to sound callous, but a single life does not over shadow the greater rights of the whole. And no, we should never compromise our freedom for anything. freedom of speech, freedom to privacy, these are all constitutional rights, and no man can take them away from us, no matter what. because if we are not free, there is no point being secure. we can be secure all we want under a dictatorship if you like, but this is america and our freedoms should never waver.
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Xel2006-09-09 3:29
Chemical Castration and anti-penetration traps are the answer (imagine some poor tempted brewski-addict who has been "confused by feminism and sexualized by liberal TV" trying to rape a woman and getting a toxic nail embedded in his acorn - THAT is fucking justice). Also, women should be encouraged to get guns and/or big fucking blades.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 5:49
>>32
i agree with that. everyone should have the means by which they can protect themselves. if you think you can do that without mace or whatever, that's fine, but that's your responsibility. the blame is still all on the rapists, but your chances of being victemized is decreased dramatically if you took self defensive precautions.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 5:50
>>4
Durr, in traditional Japanese society shame is considered to be as bad as death. Also they got concept of honor. This is why crime rates are low, but rising as youngsters ignore these traditions.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 5:53
>>32
Anti-penetration traps are more dangerous to women than rapist. Imagine what would rapist do if he discovers that his dick got seriously cut by such device. He would kill the woman for sure. Guns are much better choice. Some strap-on gun would be ultimate I guess.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 6:30
>>35
hmm, this is true. i suppose a good ol can of mace would do you good then, or a tazer or something.
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Xel2006-09-09 6:40
>>35 I was thinking along the lines of deabilitating pain together with a mild dose of an incapacitating toxin. There is no reason whatsoever why this wouldn't be an attractive idea.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 6:51
>>37
Well, disabling people by pain is very risky. Rapist with just adrenaline running in his veins can take quite extreme amount of pain. Toxins on the otherhand might be good idea, but usually they take up quite long time before they start to work and legality is then concern too. Not to mention that some people are resistant. Headshot is something however that works against any rapist, although there are cases when it hasn't worked so well. Rasputin's assasination being most famous. Still you're better off with gun than needle condom.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 7:50
>>37
How long does it take for a the shit to actualy incapacitate the fuck? How long does it take for a guy to snap a neck after he feels something prick his dick?
Surely, no reason whatsoever not to do it.
>>38
Guns are for the weak, actually being able to exert force on physical objects around you works best, but of course it would help if the society's 'ideal' woman wasn't a goddamn twig.
You're saying porn causes more rape? The very concept that a woman should be skin and bones started in the 60s which is also the time period that stupid site you're referencing says rape numbers have gone up, you want to know what I think causes more rape? Women being overall smaller, having less mass and surely less muscle and general ability combined with the fact that the modern day women is a complete shithead and no one with at least half a mind likes at all or even talks to. And you expect anyone to have remorse for someone like that when regarding the idea of rape? Let alone some mangey guy who likes sex enough to bear even touching one of the nasty things let alone not even caring about the horrible shriek the little monster will let out with its terrible voice. That dude doesn't care about shit and I doubt even if the bitch was a saint (as if) he would care so I guess its completely ok to be the way they are except for the fact they couldnt hope to inflict MASSIVE damage on a human to save their life, LITERALLY.
But hey, maybe if the bitch wasn't a bitch, guys who do know how to hurt people would like to hang out with her? Instead of saying 'fuck you bitch I'm playing videogames' while the bitch being the twat she is has to go out somewhere just to get out of the house or something equally stupid and end up in the situation where these things happen, they'd play some mario 3 or something?
Enjoy being shot by the said "weak", guns are for rational persons who realise that we live in modern age and have created such effective useful tools. Age of fist is long over and age of sword ended with flintlocks. Even old martial arts masters realise this(although many of their students don't).
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Anonymous2006-09-09 13:16
IT'S NOT RAPE IF THE MALE IS HORNY
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Anonymous2006-09-09 13:22
>>37
How about a vagina spike with a knock out drug that works real quick AND arm the woman with a glock. That way she doesn't have to experience getting molested at all and if the worst happens she won't get aids.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 13:42
And don't forget that the growing incidents of rapes conducted by women, not the men.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 13:48
Guns harm women (http://www.iansa.org/). Again, if it saves even one woman from violence, it was worth it to me. Pornography, firearms, and prostitution should all be illegal.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 15:08
Feminists hate men. If they didn't, they would call themselves "humanists."
Feminists ought not to be taken seriously.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 15:25
>>44
Pornography, firearms, and prostitution should all be legal, cause they're all fun. A society based on security and safety is boring and depressing one. Decadent free market society is the best.
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Xel2006-09-09 15:54
>>45 You sir, are neither a retard or a contard or whatever. You are just a bit simple and you always will be.
>>46 I prefer a completely free society that understands its limitations and problems than a society that can't make up its fucking mind. I mean, a society isn't great just because its population is free, it is truly great when said population can handle complete freedom and tolerate that others have it. Thanks partially to wedge issues (a monogamous gay is creeping up on your child!), protestantism, the need for superiority (we must make everybody equally happy and educated or America is useless!), fear-mongering and short attention spans (I'm talking about the left and the right here), America seems more about harming the other side and desperately trying to convince oneself. Mwa.
>>49
You bitch about politics in America, when in fact you are being like a politician by exagerrating problems in america and dismissing the same problems in other countries.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 16:50
>>49
You also use the word 'handle' when you talk about freedom, which makes me realize that to you, freedom is unacceptable unless used in certain ways, which shows how little tolerance for freedom you really have.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 17:08
Feminists have the annoying tendancy to be feminazis.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 18:26
porn degrades women? Hell yes, and that is why I look at it!
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Xel2006-09-09 18:27
>>52 No, you Ben Franklin-wannabe, I'm saying that a society in which citizens use their freedoms productively and consciously and completely respect the freedoms of others is better than an equally free society that is not prepared or not culturally inclined for the liberties (America or any other country serves as a shining example). Racoonhat-wearing precocious upstarts - Get the fuck out maintenant s'il-vouz plaît...
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Anonymous2006-09-09 18:54
>>44
"Pornography, firearms, and prostitution should all be illegal. "
well you have one out of three, but you'll never get the other two.
porn is simply entertainment, nothing more. it's not real, it does not depict how men treat women, or how they SHOULD treat women, it's entertainment aimed at a certain demand (in this case, the degridation of the woman) and it's strictly up to the viewer to understand this differnece. There is such a thing as personal responsibility. Just because you dont know how to use something properly, doesn't mean the use of that same something should be restricted to all.
same with firearms, another thing guarenteed to us in the constitution. It's not just so we can carry around big guns like they were our penises. the constitution ensures that if the government is to ever turn tyranical, we have the means to defend yourselves. one of the very first things dictators and tyrants do when they usurp power is they takea away the peoples guns and leave them defenceless.
again, as well intentioned as your motives are, there are bigger things going on behind the tools and meida that may or may not be used to harm others. When you factor this in, it's all really up to the individual and that individuals proper use of said tools and media. if a person misuses a gun, if a sick-o sees porn as a guide to his violent ways, if an eundereducated or heavily depressed teenager sees a violent game as a how-to to killing cops and fellow students, then that's the fault of the individual, not the tool or media.
you can't simply go around banning everything you disagree with. The fact of the matter is that majority of the people who use and enjoy these 'dangerous' things are responsible people who know better. You dont punish the many for the actions of the few.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 19:22
>>40
Because its totally possible to pull out aim and fire a gun when the guy is right on top of you and not only do you only have twigs for arms, but only he actually has any sort of arm ability to speak of?
Guns are for the weak
If you think guns would ever work in such a situation you're not very bright
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Anonymous2006-09-09 19:29
>>40 if i were being attacked, i donno if i'd have the concentration to get out a gun, turn off the safety, aim and fire. i think most people would panic and fumble with anything they tried to use. the most effective thing in a close quarters struggle is physical prowess.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 19:39
>>57
You can defeat your enemy in single unarmed combat, but you don't know where he is and he is shooting at you. Show me where your superior arm power helps you win in this situation.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 19:46
>>59
dumb ass, we're talking about rape, not warefare. the enemy isn't sniping you with his dick. this is close quarters surprise combat. it's easier to coordinate basic hand to hand combat for defence than getting out a gun. if you wanna talk about the effectivness of firearms to hand to hand combat in a military situation, you go to another board and do it. until then, stay on topic.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 20:48
The article says that there is a 500% in rape which in direct correlation with the porn industry. More porn = more horney men = more rape. Simple as that. So ban it.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 21:25
>>61 Yes, unfortunately, some freedoms threaten women and women's rights. These freedoms are unnecessary and must go on these grounds. Violence against women must be stopped no matter what the cost, and if that cost is banning weapons and pornography, it must be done to protect women. If even one woman is saved it will have been worth it. We have the ability to stop these activities. We must do it for the sake of protecting women and to allow for the creation of a state in which women are properly respected.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ~ Volaire
Free speech is important, if even if it's harmful. Entertainment falls under the protection of free speech and should be protected as such. I'm not saying todays culture embraces the equality of women as much as it should, but this is a far deeper reaching problem than simply porn.
The coorolation between an increase in rape and porn is weak at best. There are far more factors that can be attributed to this than just porn. But you dont care, because porn is your goal. it wouldn't matter if there was a bigger underlying cause for these violent sexual attacks, like possibly poverty, because you're monoptic in your goal. you remind me of the women who would go around bars back in the day and smash every bottle they saw, trying to push prohibition down peoples throats beause they beleived that less alcohol = less violent behavior = rise in morality. So prohibition happened, and yes, small time woman abuse and petty violence went dow, but as that went down, higher criminal acts rose, robberies, murders, the famous gangster Al "Scarface" Capone made his business out of the bootleg whisky business. If you ban all porn, not only will people end up making their own, but the distribution of it will be criminalized and we could see the rise of a whole new aspect of crime. not to mention, with the lack of porn, there would be far more sexual frustration, and that frustration could be taken out on women. nothing good has ever come from any sort of prohibition, it only ends up in underground distribution and more criminal acts where there once was none. Your efforts to protect women is misguided, and misdirected. instead of aiding women to defend themselves, and keep themselves safe from such attacks, you seek to take the lazy and more costly route of forcing our government to enforce such a ban, though the internet and through using up police resources in arresting these people. You're stepping over the greater underlying social and psycological problems that have a stranger coorolation between the rapists. your monoptic methodoligy represents unwavering zeal toward anything you personally find offencive. You're going to have to come up with a better argument than your few talking points:
coorolation between volume of porn and number of rapes (suspect to interperetation)
porn threaten women and women's rights (based on previous coorolation, so it suspect to interperetation)
women in porn are treated as mere sex objects or hunks of meat (this is an aspect of fantasy, and in no way reflects what women should really be treated like. it's a taste in which porn caters to, but not in every instance. softcore porn is such an example, showing more or less valid raltionships between the characters before sex. Those who cannot seperate reality from fantasy are doomed to see any act of sex or violence in a fictional setting as guidebooks for doing it in the real world. these people are a minority when put against the number of sane people who do not do this. so to make this statement is to claim the minority is the majority)
Violence against women must be stopped no matter what the cost (so would you push for an initiative to keep all women within a home working environment and instate a curfew to keep women from being out and about where they might be harmed? if you feel so good about putting our privacy and right to bare arms in the shredder, and because you've admitted women know no better, that it's perfectly acceptable to keep them locked within the safe confines of the home with very little freedom of their own. if you dont, then you dont really think that you must do everything to keep women safe, and you're real goal is simply a faux moral battle against porn with womans rights being a byproduct of your argument)
If even one woman is saved it will have been worth it (An individual will sarcifice his/her self if it means the betterment of the greater whole, not the other way around, and certainly not voulentarily. To say any individual diserves more freedom than another is rediculous, so to say the stripping of rights to the whole so that the few may live in peace is also wrong.)
Unles you're willing to elaborate on yuor claims and give difinitive proof that the lack of porn decreases rapes, or that rapes would not happen at all if there were no porn, i dont think you'll be convincing anyone anytime soon.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 21:59
>>56 Women should be free from being viewed only as sex objects. A ban on pornography would be helpful in this department as well. If society cannot handle its freedom it must be taken away for the sake of protecting women. Certain freedoms must be compromised, removed, or reformed to allow for a more pro-women society. If women are not respected, it is the responsibility of the government to target what makes men view women as sex objects and nothing more, and eliminate that source. This source is, at least in part, pornography.
Due to recent advances in the ability of authorities to search for inappropriate or offensive behavior, we now have the ability to take action against pornography and other material offensive to women. Such action must be taken if, in the future, women are to be regarded with the proper degree of respect, are not dehumanized, and are not treated as mere chunks of meat to be viewed for the sexual gratification of men.
Our culture is very anti-women. When a society cannot handle its freedom, unfortunately it must be stripped away. For the sake of promoting women, this is unfortunately what must be done. If it helps just one woman, it will have been worth it.
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Anonymous2006-09-09 22:01
>>64
sorry, your record skipped. mind trying some new more valid arguments this time?
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Anonymous2006-09-09 22:35
IF THEY BAN PORN I WILL RAPE AS MANY WOMEN AS I CAN OUT OF SPITE
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Anonymous2006-09-09 23:51
Ban every kind of porns like China did during the Cultural Revolution. The rape rate skyrocketed. This only proves that expression of sexuality is essential.
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Xel2006-09-10 5:22
>>63 Seconded and bump and internets. >>64 "If society cannot handle its freedom it must be taken away for the sake of protecting women." You're giving feminists a bad name and the libertarian-wannabes more ammo. I appreciate your concern and desires bu, seriously - Stoppit. >>67 Source would be good.
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Anonymous2006-09-10 5:35
Just because someone enjoys porn does not mean that they will commit rape.
And everyone, men and women, are "mere" sex objects to someone at some point. To be a "sex object" is no mere matter though, it is a status of utmost respect, or should be.
Jealous people, people confused/repressed about their own sexuality, and small-penised people are the ones who want to tear down those that celebrate and enjoy their sexuality, in and of itself.
Pornography is littered with obscenities (i.e., curse words, etc.) and "perversions" (where perversion means any nonstandard form of sex) because of humankind's millennia of repression under religious-controlled societies.
Even now, strong puritan undercurrents of our culture prohibit us from being public with sex without acknowledging that it is dirty or shameful in some way. Thanks, Christianity.
Even if you ban pornography, everyone has cameras, and people will trade pictures. It won't work.
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Anonymous2006-09-10 5:48
wont work and shouldn't happen.
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Anonymous2006-09-10 9:53
Child porn is already illegal, so it's not a bug jump to make all porn illegal. I think porn should be illegal because it dehumanizes women. People are influenced by what they see. After a person is exposed to a lot of porn, he would tend to see women as sex objects without any feelings and yea if he is crazy or sth he will rape her.
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Anonymous2006-09-10 9:56
>>57
Physical strenght + guns for the win. Throw the rapist off you and then shoot him dead when he's on the ground.
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Anonymous2006-09-10 10:41
>>71 Yes, thankfully, some of the more vicious aspects of porn have been banned. However, it is necessary to remember that most if not all porn is vicious in somewhat similar ways, and it is the long-term goal that it is all done away with permanently for the sake of creating a state in which women are properly respected. Women cannot be respected while pornography exists and they are treated or viewed as mere sex objects. Women should be free from being viewed as mere chunks of meat. On top of this, the evidence is there that an increase in pornography among the hands of the general population increases rape (http://www.erasethedark.com/ourcase.html).
Pornography, like guns, are essentially toys for adults. These toys, unfortunately, work against the interests of women, and must be done away with on these grounds. We should pursue the more enlightened and progressive path of the United Kingdom and ban all violent pornography and strictly limmit if not outright ban all handguns, and other unnecessary classes of firearms in the name of reducing violence and protecting women.
Pornography makes people view women as mere chunks of meat. This is simply not acceptable. While we unfortunately cannot stop people from thinking one way or another, we can eliminate the source of that thinking. This source is pornography. To eliminate pornography would eliminate the source of many women's problems in terms of being viewed as sex objects and or chunks of meat. To reach this end, banning certain types of pornography is in order for the sake of protecting women. We have the power to do this now to protect women.
On top of all this, we now have ample evidence that porn increases violence against women (http://www.erasethedark.com/ourcase.html). This is yet more justification for a ban to protect women. Women must be protected even if it means sacrificing a few unnecessary freedoms.
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Anonymous2006-09-10 13:53
>>71
"Child porn is already illegal, so it's not a bug jump to make all porn illegal"
you can just as easily say 'pot is already illegal, so it's not a big jump to make all drugs illegal' (cigarettes, alcohol). oh wait, didn't they try that? i wonder what happened...
"I think porn should be illegal because it dehumanizes women."
yeah, within the confines of the porn. so what? porn is about sex, and most men want just the sex, not the emotional backstory between the two characters. this is simply a taste to which porn caters to. It's not like the men are ugly fuckers dominating the woman. they're both attractive, and they have sex equally. porn can be as much for the girl as it is the guy, or else we'd have ugly small penised guys screwing unproportionally hot women. There are pleanty of women who enjoy porn, and do not feel degraded by it. and those that do, well they dont watch it, and usually if requested of the man that he not watch it either he wont (in a married relationship). Again, your argument that porn degrades and dehumanizes women is misguided, because you're looking at an act of fantasy, not reality. If porn was an accurate depiction of what a male really acts toward a woman, you might be right, but it's not, it's taking the most basic needs for arousal and pushing them forth. if this means that sex happens without the song and dance of dating (or any rational reason besdies there's a guy and a girl in the room), so be it. These arent rape videos, these arent films where the girl is forced upon against her will to screw the man. these are films in which 99.9% of the time the two partners are in agreement that some fucking is about to happen, and both walk away happy for it (90% of the time they make sure to depict the woman having orgasm, because believe it or not, men are aroused by seeing women take pleasure, whether from them or from themselves).
"People are influenced by what they see. After a person is exposed to a lot of porn, he would tend to see women as sex objects without any feelings and yea if he is crazy or sth he will rape her."
People are influenced by ideas, but if they have any sort of moral compass, ideas that harm others wont go into practice. I play tons of violent video games, and i admit i watch WAAAAAAY too much porn, and 70% of that porn is hentai involving rape. But i know better to take any of that FANTASY, and inact it along with REALITY. If i had a girlfriend, she would be my world. she would be treated with the utmost respect and care and she would be in equal standing in pretty much everything we did, including sex. And guess what? the majority of the people who enjoy porn and video games are THE EXACT SAME WAY. You CANNOT punish the many for the stupid and ignorant choices of the few. Porn as a whole is not bad, but it CAN influence people negativly. but those people are of weak will and weak mental disposition (right word?). This is a matter of personal responsability, and proper mental health. A deeper explination of why some men are more influenced by porn in the negative than most other men is possibly because those men weren't taught in their early ages to repect women. if a man has no solid moral ground on which to base things when he is a child, the chances that already shakey moral ground and viewpoint towards tomen will skew to the negative. this is absolutly no fault of the porn itself, it's more the fault of that persons up bringing.
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Anonymous2006-09-10 14:59
>>74 I agree this culture we have has certain aspects to it that encourage viewing women as mere chunks of meat, and needs to be changed by the government if necessary.
Why? Women all love to be fucked. They REALLY love to be fucked in every hole at once. And if women ever say "No, no, no" we all know they mean "YES,YES,YES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like to see a woman getting plastered with gizz or being pissed on (with her mouth open if possible). Women are mostly decorative. Otherwise, they are for producing babies and giving pleasure to males.
no, the governement should have no hand in this. it should be left up to personal responsibility and teaching our children respect for women at a young age. all habits in adult hood take root from childhood. if you dont teach your children respect for women when they're young, they're that much less likely to respect them as they grow up, and will be more suseptable to influence from things that wouldn't normally influence you. You're looking to the government to do the hard work for you, and that shows you have no real answers for the problem.
>>58 >>59
You dumb niggers realize we're talking about a rape situation here right?
Yeah the guy's going to make himself visible to your from afar and let his intention be known fromt hat far, you've got to be the biggest retards I've seen.
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Anonymous2006-09-11 13:03
>>85 I am. Unfortunately, some freedoms must go for the sake of creating a better environment in which women are respected and violence against them is low if there at all.
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Anonymous2006-09-11 13:46
>>87
What about a woman's right to sell pics and vids of herself getting dvda'd?
no, they dont. you're a lazy monoptic zealot with no real solutions besides unrealistic ones involving using the state to enforce a bogus law on the INTERNET. You bring nothing to the table as far as a valid argument, and you're skipping record soap box rhetoric is quite annoying, and is not in the least convincing.
i dont see how. unless you get two guys with really long dicks to span the gap from having to stand behind or lay undernieth another guy.
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Anonymous2006-09-12 0:55
Why are women so stupid?
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Anonymous2006-09-12 1:42
The woman's legs are wide open so she is like a T shape with the top of the T being her legs. The first guy is right behind the woman lying the same way as her with his legs open with it in her pooper. The second guy has it in her pooper and hug from behind the first guy and squeezes his cock between the low ass cheeks of the first guy and into her pooper. The third guy is on his side and along the woman's legs with his hips on the butt fucker's legs and with his cock in the woman's VAGINA. The fourth is on top missionary style.
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Anonymous2006-09-12 1:48
Does anyone have a picture of this legendary position?
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Anonymous2006-09-12 3:05
>>94
unfortunatly no. it's a fictional position that origonated from a movie made by the makers of south park called Orgasmo. it would be interesting to see though.
I'm a martial artist, black belt 5'th dan. It hurts me to say, guns will still defeat me. In a street fistfight i should be able to win with this, but against a gun, no.
Oh and, there are no internet laws for the smart. Not even the full, combined police force and goverment of the whole world can hope to defeat the internet; It's beyond goverment control. You hear that, law-suckers? YOUR LAWS DO NOT EXTEND HERE, YOU'RE IN A FUCKING JAGD.
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Anonymous2006-09-13 6:53
>>103
Why not learn the martial arts for modern weapons?
I am just another male chauvinist porn watcher who wishes to voice his disagreement with your position.
It seems to me you are thinking it a bit too broad of terms in some cases, or it could be that I simply don't understand your position. For instance how about gay, male pornography? Is this derogratory towards women and leading to the abuse as well? And if it isn't, would't it be unfair to ban it under that label?
Also, how about the "fake" or "simulated" versions of pornography. Animated pornography doesn't really have any real person in it, but it can still degrade a character having specific characteristics. However, even with this they are fake, so how can it really be regulated and controled. I assume you want equal banning of everything, but I could be wrong.
What evidence besides the simple percent of rapist porn watchers do you have? I mean one of the basic rules of statistics is when trying to associate A with B, you don't do it by associating B with A. For instance, if you are comparing drinking water to having cancer, you can say that X% of people that drink water have cancer, or you can say that 100% of the people that have cancer drink water. Both are true, but only one is really relevant to proving the point. If you want to prove that the water is hazardous you need to say the first, where if you want to scare people into action you need the second. Your statistic "86% of the rapists admitted to routine use of pornography" is just another example of this. A much better number would be "X% of people that admitted to routine use of pornography become rapists" I mean, don't most studies find that the overall percentage of males that use porn close to 100% anyways? If you found that 70% of rapists watched Bugs Bunny as a child would you ban that as causing rape?
How would you go about regulating and banning pornography? A specific police force or task force designed to track down porn and eliminate it? And how would you define "pornography"? Meaning when does it stop being tasteful and become "Pornography"? is nudity allright? How about a bikini? When does the image become derogratory and subjective and for lack of a better word "Pornography"? And how about international pornography? I can import pornography from all manner of websites comming form out of sites, and many of these aren't just pornography based sites but sites that carry many types of material. Would every international site that carries any form of "pornographic" material be banned in the US? And would this include any site that carries anything that would be today called rated R or sometimes PG-13 shows breasts now? Would anything be grandfathered? Would I have to give up my box set of "Elfen Lied" because it would be illegal? Would a woman be aloud to keep pornography? How would underage possessors of pornography be charged? Do you really think that there is no woman in the world that enjoys using pornographic material.
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Xel2006-09-14 1:59
Man sex porn should be legalised. Heterosexual porn should be illegal. In fact only naked men should be shown in the media and .
>>107
That's pretty gay. Are you a man or a woman or what? First you were a black man, then you were a tall blonde swedish 16 year old white girl or something...
You're pretty weird.
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Anonymous2006-09-14 13:59
>>20
develop a fistula. I have a step brother who is gay and evidently my parents knew he was a saint (as if) he would care so I guess its completely ok to be the way they are all forms of government meddling. I know that Reaganomics work, but that the 2nd amendment, as I'm sure there are still people out there who consider the past. I think secularization, smarter alchohol habits and feminism would sort that out nicely. Until then; kill palestinians) to do this "research", most of it.
and take care of their health shouldn't have to pay for the consequences of the paperwork the insurers and the employers impose on the people who use and enjoy their sexuality, in and of itself. Pornography is littered with obscenities (i.e., curse words, etc.) and "perversions" (where perversion means any nonstandard form of sex) because they are poor to begin with, imo.) The war isn't good either, but again, 'degrading' only applies if the first guy and squeezes his cock between the United Kingdom.
again. It is her body, she should have long hair. Boo fucking hoo, they are so much.
>>14
>out. If there is the slightest chance it is sentient, no, just no. Nope, my solution is larlgely cultural and psychological, and have child will be pretty much dead, and everyone can stop driving minivans and freedom which will create good deal of pro-gun legislation. The effects of foreign aid or war is justfiable in our present economic situation - to.
a moral line in the sand for those selling that service. Again, it's about personal responsibility and radical minarchists, but this behavior voulentrarily, and we should be.
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Anonymous2006-09-14 14:10
>>6
>emotional attachment. I think abortion is a legitimate strike back against society, a refusal to white people? Say please and thankyou, tip more? Oh lord oh mercy the comparions between a person.
so bad. That's a vicious circle, the neo-cons destroy all guilt. In fact I feel a euphoric sense of intellectual dominance at how superior my opinions are. Anyways.. What do my politicians work to oppress women in the USA further? I don't know it's wrong.
>>9
is useless!), fear-mongering and short attention spans (I'm talking about the left and their bodies from assault by rapists. To say that you simply will not be protected as such. I'm not saying todays culture embraces the equality of women as much as it should, but this is a far deeper.
>>13
marks) talked about how sweet they thought Canada was; "Strong social protection, excellent health-care, public service, good education" -at which point the People's Party (our libertarians, your socialists) piped in - "and half of Sweden's taxation.". Everybody lulz, the end. Since when both arms and tobacco industries have cost lives, as have the firearms industries, and should be able to examine the reasons for unwanted pregnanices (poverty, uneducation, certain culture's views on sex, the psychology of sex) and seek to utterly eliminate the street. if they.
are not dehumanized, and are not treated as mere chunks of meat to be viewed for the sexual gratification of men. Our culture prohibit us from being.
a shit about human rights. If we are to blame? Firearms are just tools and no-one forces you to smoke. I'm all for ripping the fact is that most abortions are to the individual self-fulfillment causes more rape? The very concept that a woman like he is more pro-gun outlook, (or at least not had such a horribly anti-gun outlook) they are not be judged by race, but by their environment, the crux is that.
forms of government meddling. I don't know what type of family you are raped, there should be exceptions made. Otherwise, 99% of the dem ticket in that election vs.
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Anonymous2006-09-14 14:19
>would ever treat a woman like he may or may not all.
to charge people for your own unresponsibility. If the woman was raped of course, the otherhand might be good idea, but usually they take up quite long time before they start to work and legality is then be motivated to.
again, they are just statists, and have got there are cases when it (response) and the response from violent crimes, let alone some mangey guy who likes sex enough to bear even touching one of the nasty things let alone not marketing their correct positions well enough. If something is so, it is so, even though some way. Thanks, Christianity. Even.
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Anonymous2006-09-14 14:26
>>30
the business. Take a look everyone: Kerry's state he represented is Massachusetts or however you should have to any sufficient extent, and dignaty, in the man that wouldn't have child support. It's really.
so we have to work to stop both. You can't legislate tolerance. Tolerance is something that shouldn't even be an issue, gun control will be pretty much everything we did, including sex. And guess what? the majority of the people who enjoy porn and video games are THE EXACT SAME WAY. You fail to work and legality is then concern too. Not to mention that some people are.
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Anonymous2006-09-14 14:31
still don't see how removing consequences for a person's actions is the right way to go. just out on other people to escape negative influences so that they should be able to ignore the key you see, overpopulation. I've noticed both paranoid marxists and neo-cons trying to ignore the issue of overpopulation. At the general population increases rape People are influenced by ideas, but if they are dudes they show up with shitty clothes shitty music shitty values and.
over this thread. someone is playing devils advocate without reguard to.
the women who would go around banning of free speech and should be protected as such. I'm not "sound fiscal policy." Cutting taxes & spending, and returning the twat she is has the potentiality of life, you would be able to examine and express a will to be elevated to their proper respectful position among society until the abuses on them stop. This is so great, right? Then again, handing out condoms to any one person's responsibilty when that "person" hasn't.
>>7
>woman's body. The fact that a man's sperm is needed for the baby to get started in the deal, of protecting women. The tolerance and legalization of abortion is the problem. The woman's legs are wide open so she is like this? In the situation rectified. "When racism occurs, people should never waver. Chemical Castration and anti-penetration traps are the answer (imagine some poor tempted brewski-addict who has been solved by the more particularly vicious, as they see a world.
perhaps a healthy, provided upbrining. Perhaps if you want to scare people into action you would think secularization, smarter alchohol habits in adult hood take root from childhood. if you dont care, because porn is no mere matter though, it LOOK like they know this. This is because if it will never base any of my house. how about you ask.
pretty much less violent person. Watching violent pornography can move on to other issues. It is both their responsibility. If the man wasn't responsible for where he put this is just due to vote for.
>>30
and being killed in a war. I voted for such a horribly anti-gun senator Kerry. I'd like "irresponsible bitches". You're stepping over the greater whole, not the other way around, and certainly not voulentarily. To say any sort of.
fuck out maintenant s'il-vouz pla�t... well you have one out of three, but you'll be convincing anyone else included. This is something that shouldn't have to give people ideals.
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Anonymous2006-09-14 20:53
PORNOGRAPHY IS THE THEORY, RAPE THE PRACTICE
PORNOGRAPHY IS THE THEORY, RAPE THE PRACTICE
PORNOGRAPHY IS THE THEORY, RAPE THE PRACTICE
PORNOGRAPHY IS THE THEORY, RAPE THE PRACTICE
PORNOGRAPHY IS THE THEORY, RAPE THE PRACTICE
PORNOGRAPHY IS THE THEORY, RAPE THE PRACTICE
PORNOGRAPHY IS THE THEORY, RAPE THE PRACTICE
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Anonymous2006-09-15 16:26
This argument is pretty stupid. In countries that don't have any type of widespread pornographic base, women get raped ALL THE TIME. And even if the woman survives, she needs the testimony of four of her rapists to prove she was raped. If she can't get that many rapists to come forward to incriminate themselves, she is judged to have desired it and thus is sentenced to death for sex outside of marriage. The point is that in these cultures, sex is taboo unless people get in a situation where they can get away with it. In western countries, porno movies act as a type of release valve, a ready-made fantasy for masturbation. By allowing a person to pleasure themselves alone lessens the urge to go out and practice on random people. Is everyone who watches a porno a rapist? NO. Similarily, is everyone who plays a FPS a psychopath? NO. Also, you have to consider the fact that those stats don't factor in the population increase in the period. And since that increase is mostly due to immigration, it's natural that people from areas where rape is more common and less policed who influence the curve quite a bit. That's my thoughts. PEACE OUT
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Anonymous2006-09-15 16:54
if women hate getting raped so much then maybe they should stop getting raped all the time???
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Anonymous2006-09-15 21:06
This argument makes no fucking sense. Rape existed before porn. Thread over.
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Wikipediaphile2006-09-16 3:41
All hail the great wisdom brought to us by the the great God WIKIPEDIA
Effect on sex crimes
It has been theorized that there may be a link between pornography, particularly violent pornography, and an increase in sex crime. There have been many studies done to validate or disprove this hypothesis. The results have greatly varied from study to study, which leads many to believe that there is no consistent relationship between the two, while others may believe that the research methodology used does not yield accurate results.
What has been seemingly overlooked is the lower per capita crime rate and historically high availability of pornography in many developed European countries (e.g. Netherlands,Sweden) leading a growing majority conclude that there is an inverse relationship between the two: more pornography availability in a society equates to less sexual crime. Indeed since the widespread adoption of the Internet as an unfettered method to distribute adult material, the United States crime rate nation-wide has consistently and steadily dropped by almost 50% from 1995.[citation needed]
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Anonymous2006-09-16 3:50
CITATION NEEDED
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Xel2006-09-16 4:28
>>119 Holy fucks. Cool. But the other links weren't consistent with that, and Wikipedia isn't that reliable, so this is still an open case.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. The more taboo something is, the more sought after it will be, forbidden fruit and all that jazz.
Pornography doesn't cause rape. It might help cause rape, but its role in such a cause is small, close to negligible, compared to living conditions, growing environment, psychological disorders, abusive parents ad infinitum. You cannot disregard all of the other factors involved and say one thing definitely causes another thing, and then attempt to wipe out the first to prevent the latter. Realistic problems aside, you'd just make the problem worse.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 17:29
>>123
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
Why?
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Anonymous2006-09-16 18:30
>>124
Because people won't bend over just because you're an emofag.
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Xel2006-09-16 19:24
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Only as long as you *have* to choose between the rights of one larger group and a smaller group. 10 people ganging up on 5 would be justifiable if that maxim was universalized.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 19:53
No, the many have to justify why their needs are more important than simply "there's more of us than you" which is essentially a might makes right appeal.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 20:08
>>126 Also to be considered is the importance or lack thereof of said rights involved.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 20:10
Once again: RAPE EXISTED BEFORE PORNOGRAPHY
THREAD OVER.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 23:34
Would you consider legalizing child pornography under the theory that more child pornography would equate to fewer cases of child molestation?
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Anonymous2006-09-17 0:49
>>130
Child molesters are too convenient to blame the downfall of Western civilization on. I want to see them hanging.
And the case for pornography:
1. Fun
2. Free speech, cockfag
3. ???
4. Profit!
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Anonymous2006-09-17 5:00
Alright after getting to about 112 I realized this shit is getting to damn repetetive and just plain stupid
Pornography CANNOT be banned from the US mostly because of the backlash it would create among men and women who like pornography
P2P sites would flourish even more than they have been
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there would probably be more rape due to sexual frustration
Also the argument about "well the government already uses the internet to stop terrorists and people in possesion of child pornography so why cant they do the same for regular pornography"
mostly because the government does a horrible job stopping child porn, and its easy to find stuff the government doesn't want you to find
This whole subject goes into the psychological developement of the potential rapist and his initiative
If you want to get rid of Rape in america then what you must do is figure out a way for women to protect themselves no other way will help them
Now two things before I click submit
Thing one, I know if pornography or the right to bear arms was deemed illegal I would rape as many women as possible or shoot down as many people as possible (respectively) just because I'd have so much tension and stress to relieve
Thing two, I'm typing this after being up for about 44 hours straight so there might be a few errors in my ideas
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Anonymous2006-09-17 10:00
>>132
You are using the assumption that watching child porn would cause people to molest children and produce more child porn?
That is the same as saying that watching violent porn would cause people to rape and even produce snuff films.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 10:01
Also, it is the making of child porn where child molestation/rape occurs. Watching it does not equal child molestation.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 11:35
>>135
No I'm using the assumption that the production of child pornography requires child molestation.
>>135
>You are using the assumption that watching child porn would cause people to molest children and produce more child porn?
Only child molesters would bother watching child porn.
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Anonymous2006-09-20 21:12
People are making drastic illogical assumptions here...
Porns affects are relative to the person. I doubt that any reasonably rational man would rape someone just because he saw porn. Just because rapists watch porn doesn't make people who watch porn rapists.
As far as the whole child pornography thing goes, (this is moral implications aside) I would have to say that is no different from someone who likes blondes or redheads. That type of pornography satiates his desires in the same way as someone who searches for porn any other variety. It sounds ridiculous I know. But it's just, in affect, being attracted to certain features of an individual. People who suffer from pedophilia who are fantasizing about it with porn instead of actively pursuing it are probably healthier than the person actually seducing children. Although this is crossing some moral thresholds in itself. However, if people can satisfy their sexual needs without harming people than it is fine by me. Although I do not condone it.
I believe that it is sick, but I don't think that it's such a deviant behavior. It's people who actually become sexual predators who are evil. People who look at porn are not criminals.
And honestly who are you people? You're debating this on 4chan. 4CHAN!
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Anonymous2006-09-21 5:17
"Since 1960, rape has risen 500%"
Civil rights.
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Anonymous2006-09-21 9:47
>>1
"Pornography firmly entrenches in people's minds the notion that women are mere sex objects or hunks of meat. If we are to have a future in which the sexes are truly equal and a future in which women are respected, pornography must go."
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Women have been mere sex objects or hunks of meat since the dawn of civilization. That's kinda how most societies throughout history have decided to organize themselves: around the concept that women form a lower class of individuals designed to serve the upper class--males. Pornography is not at fault for any inequalities women face.
Oh, and RAPE EXISTED BEFORE PORN.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 1:02
>>145
wtf are you on? are you calling me a rapist? I watch porn, the majority of my friends watch porn. I'm female and am somewhat feministic and this whole arguement is crap.
I havce been raped myself so I know first hand what causes rape. It is the rapist that causes rape. End of story. The rapist and his disire for POWER. Rape is not about sex its about power so get your facts straight before you say crap like this. Go talk to actual rape victims for yourself, they will not blame porn, they will blame the rapist and his fucked up head.
Porn is not the only thing rapist have in common therefore why single out porn. Porn is great. Get over yourselves.
RAPE EXISTED BEFORE PORN...proof? think of the vikings.
>>147
Correction
Since 1960 reports of rape have raised 500%
Are you smart enought to tell the difference between these two things.
Great things have come since the 1960's like color porn, internet porn, age restrictions in porn, and a system that more actively prosecutes rapists and doesn't persecute the rape victim. All thanks to porn on the same logic as you. As porn consumption rises so too does women equality and advocacy. therfore the raise in porn consumption causes these thing to happen.
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Xel2006-09-22 4:13
>>149 You are either a dude with a poor sense of humor or a girl that doesn't know how to market her opinion in an effective way. >>151 Correlation =/= Causation, although naturally this sort of correlation should be looked into.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 4:31
>>150
yeah yeah I kno sorry but I must make a point on this topic. Then i'll go back to pretending that I, along with everyone else on the internets, have a penis.
>>152
I'm a girl who is a lot smarter than many in this thread. my main points have already been covered by others in this thread therefore i have chosen to only introduce new material to prevent boredom/n00bdom on my part.
My first point being rape is about power. Thats the bottom line. somehow i think thats slightly a more logical agruement compared to the OP's agruement.
>>153 I won't contest rape is about power, it is an act committed by men who are intimidated by women in some manner and therefore needs a victory in the one domain where women have the upper hand: the constructed dance of sex, usually involving the man having to squirm and be mindful of everything, in order to make himself choosable by the elevated woman who is to be passively courted. Really stupid. And I do think you are smarter than the avergae on this board - altough that says more about the comparatives
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Anonymous2006-09-22 9:34
Why is rape about power?
It would seem to me that power enables rape, but is neither the cause nor effect.
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Xel2006-09-22 9:41
>>157 Yes it kinda is. Women are rendered inferior or passive if social mores are to be followed (they are not) but when it comes to romance, emotions, relationships and sex they have the upper hand by default. Rape steps over all that, it is an extreme shortcut and chemical castrations is the answer. Instead of a Crusade on Drugs you should have a war on rape.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 9:54
That is a very loose definition. You can make the same argument that all crime is about power.
Again, why is rape about power?
Also, no "kinda"s please. Slippery words lead to lazy thought.
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Xel2006-09-22 10:34
>>159 Crime is about money or not controlling your anger in a rational manner. Some crimes, on the other hand, is an act that has to do with taking what is not yours because you feel inferior to the holder. In this case, a man that feels intimidated or humiliated by womankind, who get to choose among pining suitors and is expected to depend on men in all areas except the sexual one, where the tables have been turned by retarded and obsolete social mores. Kinda.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 10:43
a man that feels intimidated or humiliated by womankind
Says who?
who get to choose among pining suitors
And men don't?
and is expected to depend on men in all areas except the sexual one
In what era?
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Xel2006-09-22 11:17
"And men don't?" One would think so, but unfortunately.
"Says who?" Case studies of rapists.
"In what era?" My depiction of the situation was too gloomy, but the discrepancy is that insane in some cases, and both sexes suffer because of the status quo.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 11:26
Case studies of rapists.
And here we come to the crux of the matter: can you provide references to articles published in respectable peer-reviewed psychology or biology journals?
If you provide them, I will read them. Until then, I'm skeptical.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 11:32
Porn leads to a decrease in the overall pervertedness of a society, to be honest. It does away with persistant curiosity, which puts an end to fixation.
In other words, kids learn all about it from whatever source as kids, and just get on with their lives rather than being stuck thinking about it all the time.
Most rapists came from very "clean" households in very sheltered upbringing.
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Xel2006-09-22 12:32
>>163 Your not taking my words for granted is very much to your credibility. But Nicholas A. Groth once made a book on the subject; Men Who Rape: The Psychology of the Offender. His study lists the following in the introduction. Asterisks mine.
"The power-assertive rapist: This is argued to be the most common type of rapist, accounting for about *40* percent of all reported rapes. Wishing to be an alpha male, he tends to value machismo and physical aggression, and often rapes victims that he meets in places like bars, where he may pose as, or be, an authority figure. Power-assertive rapists rarely target specific people for rape and, while not intending to kill their victims, often *traumatize and humiliate* them.
The power-reassurance rapist: Responsible for about 27.5% of reported rapes, this type of rapist has been described by law enforcers as the "gentleman rapist". He is usually:
of average intelligence;
not physically aggressive;
*socially-deficient*; and
*unable to develop interpersonal or romantic relationships*.
Usually, he will select and stalk a victim before committing the crime. The victim is usually someone whom he knows, eg. a neighbor or work acquaintance. Power-reassurance rapists often force the victim to emulate foreplay, and take "trophies" of the rape; they may even record the event in a personal journal. Power-reassurance rapists tend to be the least violent type of rapists, often *fantasizing* about consensual sexual relationships with women, rather than violent conquests.
Anger-retaliatory rapist: Responsible for about 28% of rapes, this type of rapist is often a substance abuser, with impulsive behavior and anger-related pathologies. He does not target specific victims, and often feels a general animosity toward the gender of his target. The anger-retaliatory rapist's attacks are usually spontaneous and brutal, and while he does not intend to kill the victim, he may beat her or him to death if she or he resists. This rapist usually has below-average intelligence, and is likely to leave more evidence than other types of rapists.
The anger-excitation rapist: This type of rapist, considered the most dangerous and elusive, accounts for about 4.5 percent of rapes. The anger-excitation rapist may or may not choose his victims selectively. Often sadistic, this type of rapist frequently murders his victim to prevent her or him from identifying him, or for his own self-gratification. FBI profilists lists the fourth type as "sexually sadistic rapists." These rapists are sexual sadists. Only a small percentage of sexual sadists are rapists.
According to John Douglas, the *legendary FBI profilist*, rapists tend to fall into four basic categories: "power-reassurance rapist" (driven by feelings of *inadequacy*), the "exploitive" rapist (impulsive driven and overtly macho), the "anger" rapist (who uses sex to displace his rage), and the "sadistic" rapist, who gets aroused from sexual sadism."
So now that I look back at my sources I have to make a concession, a majority of rapists have macho-aspirations as a cause, *not* a sense of inferiority. However, it is a cause in the second-to-commonest type of rapist. What is most tragic is that they want normal relationships. This source is damning for contemporary pornography, since it is more likely to inspire and shape the erstwhile type; the "macho" man.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 13:05
>>165
Eh, no. You're making the stupid-ass assertion that porn CAUSES these feelings of machismo to come out without any evidence to back it up.
Inferiority is also a major cause of these macho aspirations... There's a reason why an inferiority complex causes people to constantly want to prove their dominance over other people. That you don't see this link is freaking weird to me.
Males are different from females. They don't feel the need to be what society tells them to be as much as women do. For example, men don't feel the need to be macho because they see such as the ideal in porn. For a man, all porn is is a fantasy, something that doesn't touch their every day lives.
Then you've got the slashers, mostly girls, who like to involve male characters from books and other media in homosexual relationships.... Why? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO RELATE, BUT DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE THE ACTS THEY DESCRIBE ARE AN IDEAL SET OUT FOR THEM.
Now, given this, where does a man usually get his feelings of inferiority, and the connected desires to be macho? Usually from trauma experienced in the past, or from some sort of imprint in his upbringing. Maybe an overbearing mother, maybe someone pushed him down on the playground. Maybe he went through years of sexual frustration during puberty and never understood his feelings, therefore expresses them in socially defunct ways. Whatever the cause, porn isn't to blame. If anything it's a counter-active force.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 13:06
Besides, look at japan. RAPES EVERYWHERE, AMIRITE?
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Anonymous2006-09-22 13:06
I am...
*socially-deficient*; and
*unable to develop interpersonal or romantic relationships*.
...but i am of superior intelligence and I am physically aggressive. Will I do rapes?
>>166 "Eh, no. You're making the stupid-ass assertion that porn CAUSES these feelings of machismo to come out without any evidence to back it up." And now I have to find support for that assertation. You are demanding.
"For example, men don't feel the need to be macho because they see such as the ideal in porn. For a man, all porn is is a fantasy, something that doesn't touch their every day lives." Aha, it all makes sense now! Source?
" They don't feel the need to be what society tells them to be as much as women do." Great! Source?
"Now, given this, where does a man usually get his feelings of inferiority, and the connected desires to be macho? Usually from trauma experienced in the past, or from some sort of imprint in his upbringing. Maybe an overbearing mother, maybe someone pushed him down on the playground. Maybe he went through years of sexual frustration during puberty and never understood his feelings, therefore expresses them in socially defunct ways. Whatever the cause, porn isn't to blame. If anything it's a counter-active force." Find adequate causation or at least correlation. Look through the thread, you'll find some data.
Strange. Japan used to have a very anti-porn policy right after WWII and US occupation that lead to high rape rate. Now it is totally opposite and Japan happens to be as safe as the Netherlands.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 17:38
>>172
Except for the extreme lesbian school girl rapes.
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Anonymous2006-09-22 19:04
>>172 Now it is totally opposite and Japan happens to be as safe as the Netherlands.
But is it really?
Or is that more an artifact of a society where you're expected to suffer silently?
This is a society where chikan get away with groping women in the middle of a public place. Come on!
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Anonymous2006-09-22 22:24
In Japan, there is a special train reserved for women so they can escape the groping from jap businessmen.
It's up to the attitude on how should people perceive sexuality. In fact in Japan I have never heard any women got traumatized severely from groping. And Japan do have very low rape rate compare to other Western countries. And when underreported crimes are high, society doesn't function. Frankly I don't see the Japanese society isn't functioning.
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Anonymous2006-09-23 17:21
>>175
But what about the women who like to grope~? :3
"Every hour in America, sixteen women will encounter a rapist. Since 1960, rape has risen 500%, and it is reported once every forty-six seconds. One in eight women will be raped at least once. Comparatively, in a study of convicted rapists, 86% of the rapists admitted to routine use of pornography, while 57% said that they would actually mimic specific pornographic scenes while raping a woman.
Niggers have grown into a thirteen billion dollar a year industry, and it exceeds the combined revenues of America’s foremost sport franchises--baseball, basketball, and football.
The dual proliferation of niggers and rates of rape in America are not coincidental. Niggers, rape, and other acts of injustice directly coincide; it is time for the dark perception in society that says niggers is a victimless crime and harmless freedom to be erased."
Niggers are vile and disgusting, degrades women, and further legal attention may be needed for women. The notion that it is simply a 'victimless crime' or a 'harmless freedom' is a dangerous one. Niggers are harmful to women and women's rights. Women have the right to live free of the fear of being raped, and free of being regarded as mere sex objects.
Niggers firmly entrench in people's minds the notion that women are mere sex objects or hunks of meat. If we are to have a future in which the sexes are truly equal and a future in which women are respected, niggers must go.
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Anonymous2007-01-16 12:35
What a bunch of bullshit statistics. For it happening to 16 women every hour I have yet to meet ONE!
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Anonymous2007-01-16 12:44
Yeah, because every woman is going to tell you she was raped.
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I know women who have told me about it. Including one who said she enjoyed experience, but was also very scared.
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Anonymous2007-01-17 6:12
Porn has existed for a long time. The cause of porn is inherant, feral masculinity. It's not the other way around. That would be stupid.
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Anonymous2007-01-17 6:29
IIRC in those days, rape wouldn't have been told due to the shame. If anything a lot of the increased cases of rape report (RR, :S) are probably due to women's liberation as much as actual increases in crimes comitted.
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Anonymous2007-01-17 11:51
Porn is ruining society. We need to go back to the middle ages where that shit wasn't allowed.
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Anonymous2007-01-17 15:34
>>194
I totally agree with you on that. The problem is, feminists hate masculinity to begin with. They think that porn and masculinity reinforce each other. I disagree with that idea, and in fact I would say that porn actually suppresses natural male instincts.
More importantly, though, porn is a result of this masculinity. Feminists want to destroy everything that is caused by male sexual desire (in other words, most of civilization).
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Anonymous2007-01-18 1:19
>>197
I agrees with you as well... That Porn is way we, males, suppresses our natural male instincts.
protip: girls look at porn too, even if they don't admit to it. looking at porn is a healthy way to release sexual tension. anyone who disagrees is a retard