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THE CASE AGAINST PORN

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-08 23:21

I quote from an excellent article on http://www.erasethedark.com/ourcase.html

"Every hour in America, sixteen women will encounter a rapist.  Since 1960, rape has risen 500%, and it is reported once every forty-six seconds.  One in eight women will be raped at least once.  Comparatively, in a study of convicted rapists, 86% of the rapists admitted to routine use of pornography, while 57% said that they would actually mimic specific pornographic scenes while raping a woman.

Pornography has grown into a thirteen billion dollar a year industry, and it exceeds the combined revenues of America’s foremost sport franchises--baseball, basketball, and football.

The dual proliferation of pornography and rates of rape in America are not coincidental.  Pornography, rape, and other acts of injustice directly coincide; it is time for the dark perception in society that says pornography is a victimless crime and harmless freedom to be erased."

Go to http://www.erasethedark.com/ and learn about the dangers of pornography to women.  Thankfully, there are great women out there winning battles for women, such as the recent ban on violent pornography in the United Kingdom (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/5297600.stm).

Pornography is vile and disgusting, degrades women, and further legal attention may be needed for women.  The notion that it is simply a 'victimless crime' or a 'harmless freedom' is a dangerous one.  Pornography is harmful to women and women's rights.  Women have the right to live free of the fear of being raped, and free of being regarded as mere sex objects. 

Pornography firmly entrenches in people's minds the notion that women are mere sex objects or hunks of meat.  If we are to have a future in which the sexes are truly equal and a future in which women are respected, pornography must go.

Name: Xel 2006-09-16 4:28

>>119 Holy fucks. Cool. But the other links weren't consistent with that, and Wikipedia isn't that reliable, so this is still an open case.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-16 11:38

>>121
I thought >>119 that was moon speak.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-16 16:04

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. The more taboo something is, the more sought after it will be, forbidden fruit and all that jazz.
Pornography doesn't cause rape. It might help cause rape, but its role in such a cause is small, close to negligible, compared to living conditions, growing environment, psychological disorders, abusive parents ad infinitum. You cannot disregard all of the other factors involved and say one thing definitely causes another thing, and then attempt to wipe out the first to prevent the latter. Realistic problems aside, you'd just make the problem worse.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-16 17:29

>>123
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Why?

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-16 18:30

>>124
Because people won't bend over just because you're an emofag.

Name: Xel 2006-09-16 19:24

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Only as long as you *have* to choose between the rights of one larger group and a smaller group. 10 people ganging up on 5 would be justifiable if that maxim was universalized.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-16 19:53

No, the many have to justify why their needs are more important than simply "there's more of us than you" which is essentially a might makes right appeal.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-16 20:08

>>126 Also to be considered is the importance or lack thereof of said rights involved.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-16 20:10

Once again: RAPE EXISTED BEFORE PORNOGRAPHY

THREAD OVER.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-16 23:34

Would you consider legalizing child pornography under the theory that more child pornography would equate to fewer cases of child molestation?

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 0:49

>>130
Child molesters are too convenient to blame the downfall of Western civilization on. I want to see them hanging.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 1:27

>>130
child pornography = child molestation

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 2:25

And the case for pornography:
1. Fun
2. Free speech, cockfag
3. ???
4. Profit!

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 5:00

Alright after getting to about 112 I realized this shit is getting to damn repetetive and just plain stupid

Pornography CANNOT be banned from the US mostly because of the backlash it would create among men and women who like pornography

P2P sites would flourish even more than they have been
and
there would probably be more rape due to sexual frustration

Also the argument about "well the government already uses the internet to stop terrorists and people in possesion of child pornography so why cant they do the same for regular pornography"

mostly because the government does a horrible job stopping child porn, and its easy to find stuff the government doesn't want you to find

This whole subject goes into the psychological developement of the potential rapist and his initiative

If you want to get rid of Rape in america then what you must do is figure out a way for women to protect themselves no other way will help them

Now two things before I click submit
Thing one, I know if pornography or the right to bear arms was deemed illegal I would rape as many women as possible or shoot down as many people as possible (respectively) just because I'd have so much tension and stress to relieve

Thing two, I'm typing this after being up for about 44 hours straight so there might be a few errors in my ideas

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 10:00

>>132
You are using the assumption that watching child porn would cause people to molest children and produce more child porn?
That is the same as saying that watching violent porn would cause people to rape and even produce snuff films.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 10:01

Also, it is the making of child porn where child molestation/rape occurs. Watching it does not equal child molestation.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 11:35

>>135
No I'm using the assumption that the production of child pornography requires child molestation.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 12:43

porn is banned in India lol

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 13:22

>>138
India isn't banned in porn.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-17 15:44

>>135
>You are using the assumption that watching child porn would cause people to molest children and produce more child porn?

Only child molesters would bother watching child porn.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-20 21:12

People are making drastic illogical assumptions here...

Porns affects are relative to the person. I doubt that any reasonably rational man would rape someone just because he saw porn. Just because rapists watch porn doesn't make people who watch porn rapists.

As far as the whole child pornography thing goes, (this is moral implications aside) I would have to say that is no different from someone who likes blondes or redheads. That type of pornography satiates his desires in the same way as someone who searches for porn any other variety. It sounds ridiculous I know. But it's just, in affect, being attracted to certain features of an individual. People who suffer from pedophilia who are fantasizing about it with porn instead of actively pursuing it are probably healthier than the person actually seducing children. Although this is crossing some moral thresholds in itself. However, if people can satisfy their sexual needs without harming people than it is fine by me. Although I do not condone it.

I believe that it is sick, but I don't think that it's such a deviant behavior. It's people who actually become sexual predators who are evil. People who look at porn are not criminals.

And honestly who are you people? You're debating this on 4chan. 4CHAN!

Name: Kumori 2006-09-20 21:23

>>141
Let's put it like this.. 4chan pwns itself.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-20 21:34

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Name: Anonymous 2006-09-21 0:51

>>140
Only rapists would bother watching porn.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-21 5:00

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Name: Anonymous 2006-09-21 5:17

"Since 1960, rape has risen 500%"

Civil rights.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-21 9:47

>>1
"Pornography firmly entrenches in people's minds the notion that women are mere sex objects or hunks of meat.  If we are to have a future in which the sexes are truly equal and a future in which women are respected, pornography must go."

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Women have been mere sex objects or hunks of meat since the dawn of civilization.  That's kinda how most societies throughout history have decided to organize themselves: around the concept that women form a lower class of individuals designed to serve the upper class--males.  Pornography is not at fault for any inequalities women face.

Oh, and RAPE EXISTED BEFORE PORN.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 1:02

>>145
 wtf are you on? are you calling me a rapist? I watch porn, the majority of my friends watch porn. I'm female and am somewhat feministic and this whole arguement is crap.

I havce been raped myself so I know first hand what causes rape. It is the rapist that causes rape. End of story. The rapist and his disire for POWER. Rape is not about sex its about power so get your facts straight before you say crap like this. Go talk to actual rape victims for yourself, they will not blame porn, they will blame the rapist and his fucked up head.

Porn is not the only thing rapist have in common therefore why single out porn. Porn is great. Get over yourselves.

RAPE EXISTED BEFORE PORN...proof? think of the vikings.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 3:09

>>149
WHAT? GIRLS ON MY INTERNET?

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 4:03

>>147
Correction
Since 1960 reports of rape have raised 500%

Are you smart enought to tell the difference between these two things.

Great things have come since the 1960's like color porn, internet porn, age restrictions in porn, and a system that more actively prosecutes rapists and doesn't persecute the rape victim.  All thanks to porn on the same logic as you.  As porn consumption rises so too does women equality and advocacy.  therfore the raise in porn consumption causes these thing to happen.

Name: Xel 2006-09-22 4:13

>>149 You are either a dude with a poor sense of humor or a girl that doesn't know how to market her opinion in an effective way.
>>151 Correlation =/= Causation, although naturally this sort of correlation should be looked into.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 4:31

>>150
yeah yeah I kno sorry but I must make a point on this topic. Then i'll go back to pretending that I, along with everyone else on the internets, have a penis.


>>152
I'm a girl who is a lot smarter than many in this thread. my main  points have already been covered by others in this thread therefore i have chosen to only introduce new material to prevent boredom/n00bdom on my part.
My first point being rape is about power. Thats the bottom line. somehow i think thats slightly a more logical agruement compared to the OP's agruement.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 5:14

>>153


hmm.. i coulda sworn i said something about rape being about power (what you learn by watching law and order lol)... hmm... oh well...

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 9:12

>>153
u are being raped, on the internet

Name: Xel 2006-09-22 9:24

>>153 I won't contest rape is about power, it is an act committed by men who are intimidated by women in some manner and therefore needs a victory in the one domain where women have the upper hand: the constructed dance of sex, usually involving the man having to squirm and be mindful of everything, in order to make himself choosable by the elevated woman who is to be passively courted. Really stupid. And I do think you are smarter than the avergae on this board - altough that says more about the comparatives

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 9:34

Why is rape about power?

It would seem to me that power enables rape, but is neither the cause nor effect.

Name: Xel 2006-09-22 9:41

>>157 Yes it kinda is. Women are rendered inferior or passive if social mores are to be followed (they are not) but when it comes to romance, emotions, relationships and sex they have the upper hand by default. Rape steps over all that, it is an extreme shortcut and chemical castrations is the answer. Instead of a Crusade on Drugs you should have a war on rape.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 9:54

That is a very loose definition. You can make the same argument that all crime is about power.

Again, why is rape about power?

Also, no "kinda"s please. Slippery words lead to lazy thought.

Name: Xel 2006-09-22 10:34

>>159 Crime is about money or not controlling your anger in a rational manner. Some crimes, on the other hand, is an act that has to do with taking what is not yours because you feel inferior to the holder. In this case, a man that feels intimidated or humiliated by womankind, who get to choose among pining suitors and is expected to depend on men in all areas except the sexual one, where the tables have been turned by retarded and obsolete social mores. Kinda.

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