THE CASE AGAINST PORN

I quote from an excellent article on http://www.erasethedark.com/ourcase.html

"Every hour in America, sixteen women will encounter a rapist.  Since 1960, rape has risen 500%, and it is reported once every forty-six seconds.  One in eight women will be raped at least once.  Comparatively, in a study of convicted rapists, 86% of the rapists admitted to routine use of pornography, while 57% said that they would actually mimic specific pornographic scenes while raping a woman.

Pornography has grown into a thirteen billion dollar a year industry, and it exceeds the combined revenues of America’s foremost sport franchises--baseball, basketball, and football.

The dual proliferation of pornography and rates of rape in America are not coincidental.  Pornography, rape, and other acts of injustice directly coincide; it is time for the dark perception in society that says pornography is a victimless crime and harmless freedom to be erased."

Go to http://www.erasethedark.com/ and learn about the dangers of pornography to women.  Thankfully, there are great women out there winning battles for women, such as the recent ban on violent pornography in the United Kingdom (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/5297600.stm).

Pornography is vile and disgusting, degrades women, and further legal attention may be needed for women.  The notion that it is simply a 'victimless crime' or a 'harmless freedom' is a dangerous one.  Pornography is harmful to women and women's rights.  Women have the right to live free of the fear of being raped, and free of being regarded as mere sex objects. 

Pornography firmly entrenches in people's minds the notion that women are mere sex objects or hunks of meat.  If we are to have a future in which the sexes are truly equal and a future in which women are respected, pornography must go.

IT'S NOT RAPE IF THE MALE IS HORNY

>>37
How about a vagina spike with a knock out drug that works real quick AND arm the woman with a glock. That way she doesn't have to experience getting molested at all and if the worst happens she won't get aids.

And don't forget that the growing incidents of rapes conducted by women, not the men.

Guns harm women (http://www.iansa.org/).  Again, if it saves even one woman from violence, it was worth it to me.  Pornography, firearms, and prostitution should all be illegal. 

Feminists hate men.  If they didn't, they would call themselves "humanists."

Feminists ought not to be taken seriously.

>>44
Pornography, firearms, and prostitution should all be legal, cause they're all fun. A society based on security and safety is boring and depressing one. Decadent free market society is the best.

>>45 You sir, are neither a retard or a contard or whatever. You are just a bit simple and you always will be.

>>47

only your mom can prevent forest fires, dude

>>46 I prefer a completely free society that understands its limitations and problems than a society that can't make up its fucking mind. I mean, a society isn't great just because its population is free, it is truly great when said population can handle complete freedom and tolerate that others have it. Thanks partially to wedge issues (a monogamous gay is creeping up on your child!), protestantism, the need for superiority (we must make everybody equally happy and educated or America is useless!), fear-mongering and short attention spans (I'm talking about the left and the right here), America seems more about harming the other side and desperately trying to convince oneself. Mwa.

>>49

dude, only your mom can prevent forest fires

>>49
You bitch about politics in America, when in fact you are being like a politician by exagerrating problems in america and dismissing the same problems in other countries.

>>49
You also use the word 'handle' when you talk about freedom, which makes me realize that to you, freedom is unacceptable unless used in certain ways, which shows how little tolerance for freedom you really have.

Feminists have the annoying tendancy to be feminazis.

porn degrades women? Hell yes, and that is why I look at it!

>>52 No, you Ben Franklin-wannabe, I'm saying that a society in which citizens use their freedoms productively and consciously and completely respect the freedoms of others is better than an equally free society that is not prepared or not culturally inclined for the liberties (America or any other country serves as a shining example). Racoonhat-wearing precocious upstarts - Get the fuck out maintenant s'il-vouz plaît...

>>44
"Pornography, firearms, and prostitution should all be illegal. "

well you have one out of three, but you'll never get the other two.

porn is simply entertainment, nothing more. it's not real, it does not depict how men treat women, or how they SHOULD treat women, it's entertainment aimed at a certain demand (in this case, the degridation of the woman) and it's strictly up to the viewer to understand this differnece. There is such a thing as personal responsibility. Just because you dont know how to use something properly, doesn't mean the use of that same something should be restricted to all.

same with firearms, another thing guarenteed to us in the constitution. It's not just so we can carry around big guns like they were our penises. the constitution ensures that if the government is to ever turn tyranical, we have the means to defend yourselves. one of the very first things dictators and tyrants do when they usurp power is they takea away the peoples guns and leave them defenceless.

again, as well intentioned as your motives are, there are bigger things going on behind the tools and meida that may or may not be used to harm others. When you factor this in, it's all really up to the individual and that individuals proper use of said tools and media. if a person misuses a gun, if a sick-o sees porn as a guide to his violent ways, if an eundereducated or heavily depressed teenager sees a violent game as a how-to to killing cops and fellow students, then that's the fault of the individual, not the tool or media.

you can't simply go around banning everything you disagree with. The fact of the matter is that majority of the people who use and enjoy these 'dangerous' things are responsible people who know better. You dont punish the many for the actions of the few.

>>40
Because its totally possible to pull out aim and fire a gun when the guy is right on top of you and not only do you only have twigs for arms, but only he actually has any sort of arm ability to speak of?
Guns are for the weak
If you think guns would ever work in such a situation you're not very bright

>>40 if i were being attacked, i donno if i'd have the concentration to get out a gun, turn off the safety, aim and fire. i think most people would panic and fumble with anything they tried to use. the most effective thing in a close quarters struggle is physical prowess.

>>57
You can defeat your enemy in single unarmed combat, but you don't know where he is and he is shooting at you. Show me where your superior arm power helps you win in this situation.

>>59
dumb ass, we're talking about rape, not warefare. the enemy isn't sniping you with his dick. this is close quarters surprise combat. it's easier to coordinate basic hand to hand combat for defence than getting out a gun. if you wanna talk about the effectivness of firearms to hand to hand combat in a military situation, you go to another board and do it. until then, stay on topic.

The article says that there is a 500% in rape which in direct correlation with the porn industry. More porn = more horney men = more rape. Simple as that. So ban it.

>>61 Yes, unfortunately, some freedoms threaten women and women's rights.  These freedoms are unnecessary and must go on these grounds.  Violence against women must be stopped no matter what the cost, and if that cost is banning weapons and pornography, it must be done to protect women.  If even one woman is saved it will have been worth it.  We have the ability to stop these activities.  We must do it for the sake of protecting women and to allow for the creation of a state in which women are properly respected.

>>62

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ~ Volaire

Free speech is important, if even if it's harmful. Entertainment falls under the protection of free speech and should be protected as such. I'm not saying todays culture embraces the equality of women as much as it should, but this is a far deeper reaching problem than simply porn.

The coorolation between an increase in rape and porn is weak at best. There are far more factors that can be attributed to this than just porn. But you dont care, because porn is your goal. it wouldn't matter if there was a bigger underlying cause for these violent sexual attacks, like possibly poverty, because you're monoptic in your goal. you remind me of the women who would go around bars back in the day and smash every bottle they saw, trying to push prohibition down peoples throats beause they beleived that less alcohol = less violent behavior = rise in morality. So prohibition happened, and yes, small time woman abuse and petty violence went dow, but as that went down, higher criminal acts rose, robberies, murders, the famous gangster Al "Scarface" Capone made his business out of the bootleg whisky business. If you ban all porn, not only will people end up making their own, but the distribution of it will be criminalized and we could see the rise of a whole new aspect of crime. not to mention, with the lack of porn, there would be far more sexual frustration, and that frustration could be taken out on women. nothing good has ever come from any sort of prohibition, it only ends up in underground distribution and more criminal acts where there once was none. Your efforts to protect women is misguided, and misdirected. instead of aiding women to defend themselves, and keep themselves safe from such attacks, you seek to take the lazy and more costly route of forcing our government to enforce such a ban, though the internet and through using up police resources in arresting these people. You're stepping over the greater underlying social and psycological problems that have a stranger coorolation between the rapists. your monoptic methodoligy represents unwavering zeal toward anything you personally find offencive. You're going to have to come up with a better argument than your few talking points:

coorolation between volume of porn and number of rapes (suspect to interperetation)
porn threaten women and women's rights (based on previous coorolation, so it suspect to interperetation)
women in porn are treated as mere sex objects or hunks of meat (this is an aspect of fantasy, and in no way reflects what women should really be treated like. it's a taste in which porn caters to, but not in every instance. softcore porn is such an example, showing more or less valid raltionships between the characters before sex. Those who cannot seperate reality from fantasy are doomed to see any act of sex or violence in a fictional setting as guidebooks for doing it in the real world. these people are a minority when put against the number of sane people who do not do this. so to make this statement is to claim the minority is the majority)

Violence against women must be stopped no matter what the cost (so would you push for an initiative to keep all women within a home working environment and instate a curfew to keep women from being out and about where they might be harmed? if you feel so good about putting our privacy and right to bare arms in the shredder, and because you've admitted women know no better, that it's perfectly acceptable to keep them locked within the safe confines of the home with very little freedom of their own. if you dont, then you dont really think that you must do everything to keep women safe, and you're real goal is simply a faux moral battle against porn with womans rights being a byproduct of your argument)
If even one woman is saved it will have been worth it (An individual will sarcifice his/her self if it means the betterment of the greater whole, not the other way around, and certainly not voulentarily. To say any individual diserves more freedom than another is rediculous, so to say the stripping of rights to the whole so that the few may live in peace is also wrong.)

Unles you're willing to elaborate on yuor claims and give difinitive proof that the lack of porn decreases rapes, or that rapes would not happen at all if there were no porn, i dont think you'll be convincing anyone anytime soon.

>>56  Women should be free from being viewed only as sex objects.  A ban on pornography would be helpful in this department as well.  If society cannot handle its freedom it must be taken away for the sake of protecting women.  Certain freedoms must be compromised, removed, or reformed to allow for a more pro-women society.  If women are not respected, it is the responsibility of the government to target what makes men view women as sex objects and nothing more, and eliminate that source.  This source is, at least in part, pornography. 

Due to recent advances in the ability of authorities to search for inappropriate or offensive behavior, we now have the ability to take action against pornography and other material offensive to women.  Such action must be taken if, in the future, women are to be regarded with the proper degree of respect, are not dehumanized, and are not treated as mere chunks of meat to be viewed for the sexual gratification of men.

Our culture is very anti-women.  When a society cannot handle its freedom, unfortunately it must be stripped away.  For the sake of promoting women, this is unfortunately what must be done.  If it helps just one woman, it will have been worth it.

>>64
sorry, your record skipped. mind trying some new more valid arguments this time?

IF THEY BAN PORN I WILL RAPE AS MANY WOMEN AS I CAN OUT OF SPITE

Ban every kind of porns like China did during the Cultural Revolution. The rape rate skyrocketed. This only proves that expression of sexuality is essential.

>>63 Seconded and bump and internets.
>>64 "If society cannot handle its freedom it must be taken away for the sake of protecting women." You're giving feminists a bad name and the libertarian-wannabes more ammo. I appreciate your concern and desires bu, seriously - Stoppit.
>>67 Source would be good.

Just because someone enjoys porn does not mean that they will commit rape.

And everyone, men and women, are "mere" sex objects to someone at some point.  To be a "sex object" is no mere matter though, it is a status of utmost respect, or should be.

Jealous people, people confused/repressed about their own sexuality, and small-penised people are the ones who want to tear down those that celebrate and enjoy their sexuality, in and of itself.

Pornography is littered with obscenities (i.e., curse words, etc.)  and "perversions" (where perversion means any nonstandard form of sex) because of humankind's millennia of repression under religious-controlled societies. 

Even now, strong puritan undercurrents of our culture prohibit us from being public with sex without acknowledging that it is dirty or shameful in some way.  Thanks, Christianity.

Even if you ban pornography, everyone has cameras, and people will trade pictures.  It won't work.

wont work and shouldn't happen.

Child porn is already illegal, so it's not a bug jump to make all porn illegal. I think porn should be illegal because it dehumanizes women. People are influenced by what they see. After a person is exposed to a lot of porn, he would tend to see women as sex objects without any feelings and yea if he is crazy or sth he will rape her.

>>57
Physical strenght + guns for the win. Throw the rapist off you and then shoot him dead when he's on the ground.

>>71  Yes, thankfully, some of the more vicious aspects of porn have been banned.  However, it is necessary to remember that most if not all porn is vicious in somewhat similar ways, and it is the long-term goal that it is all done away with permanently for the sake of creating a state in which women are properly respected.  Women cannot be respected while pornography exists and they are treated or viewed as mere sex objects.  Women should be free from being viewed as mere chunks of meat.  On top of this, the evidence is there that an increase in pornography among the hands of the general population increases rape (http://www.erasethedark.com/ourcase.html). 

Pornography, like guns, are essentially toys for adults.  These toys, unfortunately, work against the interests of women, and must be done away with on these grounds.  We should pursue the more enlightened and progressive path of the United Kingdom and ban all violent pornography and strictly limmit if not outright ban all handguns, and other unnecessary classes of firearms in the name of reducing violence and protecting women.

Pornography makes people view women as mere chunks of meat.  This is simply not acceptable.  While we unfortunately cannot stop people from thinking one way or another, we can eliminate the source of that thinking.  This source is pornography.  To eliminate pornography would eliminate the source of many women's problems in terms of being viewed as sex objects and or chunks of meat.  To reach this end, banning certain types of pornography is in order for the sake of protecting women.  We have the power to do this now to protect women. 

On top of all this, we now have ample evidence that porn increases violence against women (http://www.erasethedark.com/ourcase.html).  This is yet more justification for a ban to protect women.  Women must be protected even if it means sacrificing a few unnecessary freedoms.

>>71
"Child porn is already illegal, so it's not a bug jump to make all porn illegal"

you can just as easily say 'pot is already illegal, so it's not a big jump to make all drugs illegal' (cigarettes, alcohol). oh wait, didn't they try that? i wonder what happened...

"I think porn should be illegal because it dehumanizes women."

yeah, within the confines of the porn. so what? porn is about sex, and most men want just the sex, not the emotional backstory between the two characters. this is simply a taste to which porn caters to. It's not like the men are ugly fuckers dominating the woman. they're both attractive, and they have sex equally. porn can be as much for the girl as it is the guy, or else we'd have ugly small penised guys screwing unproportionally hot women. There are pleanty of women who enjoy porn, and do not feel degraded by it. and those that do, well they dont watch it, and usually if requested of the man that he not watch it either he wont (in a married relationship). Again, your argument that porn degrades and dehumanizes women is misguided, because you're looking at an act of fantasy, not reality. If porn was an accurate depiction of what a male really acts toward a woman, you might be right, but it's not, it's taking the most basic needs for arousal and pushing them forth. if this means that sex happens without the song and dance of dating (or any rational reason besdies there's a guy and a girl in the room), so be it. These arent rape videos, these arent films where the girl is forced upon against her will to screw the man. these are films in which 99.9% of the time the two partners are in agreement that some fucking is about to happen, and both walk away happy for it (90% of the time they make sure to depict the woman having orgasm, because believe it or not, men are aroused by seeing women take pleasure, whether from them or from themselves).

"People are influenced by what they see. After a person is exposed to a lot of porn, he would tend to see women as sex objects without any feelings and yea if he is crazy or sth he will rape her."

People are influenced by ideas, but if they have any sort of moral compass, ideas that harm others wont go into practice. I play tons of violent video games, and i admit i watch WAAAAAAY too much porn, and 70% of that porn is hentai involving rape. But i know better to take any of that FANTASY, and inact it along with REALITY. If i had a girlfriend, she would be my world. she would be treated with the utmost respect and care and she would be in equal standing in pretty much everything we did, including sex. And guess what? the majority of the people who enjoy porn and video games are THE EXACT SAME WAY. You CANNOT punish the many for the stupid and ignorant choices of the few. Porn as a whole is not bad, but it CAN influence people negativly. but those people are of weak will and weak mental disposition (right word?). This is a matter of personal responsability, and proper mental health. A deeper explination of why some men are more influenced by porn in the negative than most other men is possibly because those men weren't taught in their early ages to repect women. if a man has no solid moral ground on which to base things when he is a child, the chances that already shakey moral ground and viewpoint towards tomen will skew to the negative. this is absolutly no fault of the porn itself, it's more the fault of that persons up bringing.

>>74  I agree this culture we have has certain aspects to it that encourage viewing women as mere chunks of meat, and needs to be changed by the government if necessary.

>>75
Is a woman

>>75

Why? Women all love to be fucked. They REALLY love to be fucked in every hole at once. And if women ever say "No, no, no" we all know they mean "YES,YES,YES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like to see a woman getting plastered with gizz or being pissed on (with her mouth open if possible). Women are mostly decorative. Otherwise, they are for producing babies and giving pleasure to males.

>>75

no, the governement should have no hand in this. it should be left up to personal responsibility and teaching our children respect for women at a young age. all habits in adult hood take root from childhood. if you dont teach your children respect for women when they're young, they're that much less likely to respect them as they grow up, and will be more suseptable to influence from things that wouldn't normally influence you. You're looking to the government to do the hard work for you, and that shows you have no real answers for the problem.

I have no respect for Puerto Rican women.

>>1 Ban all pr0n.