THE CASE AGAINST PORN

I quote from an excellent article on http://www.erasethedark.com/ourcase.html

"Every hour in America, sixteen women will encounter a rapist.  Since 1960, rape has risen 500%, and it is reported once every forty-six seconds.  One in eight women will be raped at least once.  Comparatively, in a study of convicted rapists, 86% of the rapists admitted to routine use of pornography, while 57% said that they would actually mimic specific pornographic scenes while raping a woman.

Pornography has grown into a thirteen billion dollar a year industry, and it exceeds the combined revenues of America’s foremost sport franchises--baseball, basketball, and football.

The dual proliferation of pornography and rates of rape in America are not coincidental.  Pornography, rape, and other acts of injustice directly coincide; it is time for the dark perception in society that says pornography is a victimless crime and harmless freedom to be erased."

Go to http://www.erasethedark.com/ and learn about the dangers of pornography to women.  Thankfully, there are great women out there winning battles for women, such as the recent ban on violent pornography in the United Kingdom (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/5297600.stm).

Pornography is vile and disgusting, degrades women, and further legal attention may be needed for women.  The notion that it is simply a 'victimless crime' or a 'harmless freedom' is a dangerous one.  Pornography is harmful to women and women's rights.  Women have the right to live free of the fear of being raped, and free of being regarded as mere sex objects. 

Pornography firmly entrenches in people's minds the notion that women are mere sex objects or hunks of meat.  If we are to have a future in which the sexes are truly equal and a future in which women are respected, pornography must go.

women ARE sex objects

that's what they're FOR

IT'S NOT RAPE IF THE MALE IS HORNY

thirteen billion industry means more jobs and more money,how is that a bad thing

Isn't it Japan that has tons of pornography, much of it depicting rape, and yet has one of the lowest rape rates in the world?

>>1 I have been enlightened. Fuck pornography. It needs to be shot down, thrown into a hole, then have the hole nuked, then have cement poured into the hole. Good ridance to bad rubbish.

The increase of Rape in America follows the increase of Hispanics and Blacks.

>>3 Because the widespread use of porn is harmful to women and women's rights. 

"Women have the right to live free of the fear of being raped, and free of being regarded as mere sex objects."

Actually no, they don't have these rights.  Sorry.

Women like to be raped.  If they didn't, they wouldn't fantasize about it.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.


There are so many holes in your argument, that I can't even begin to fill them with my rock hard rebuttal, thrusting it into you until you finally give in, as I spill my truth all over your ignorance.

>>9 Actually they do. So very sorry.

justbecause all rapists watch porn doesn't mean porn causes rape. i bet they all watched a violent movie, and probably use some of their methods from said violent films, should we ban them too?

guns dont kill people, people kill people.

porn doesn't rape people, sick freaks with violent tendancies people people.

out of the number of people as a whole that watch porn, how many DONT rape anyone? i'd like to see those numbers. you take a poll and ask if porn is the precise cause of their motives to rape and maybe i'll believe you.

degrade women? possibly. but it's entertainment, fantasy, FICTION. i've yet to join an orgy of cheerleaders after their bus breaks down in front of my house. how about you ask those who preform in porn if it degrades them. No one is forcing anyone to watch porn, it's available as entertainment, nothing more. not guide books for abuse, and certaily not tips and tricks for rape.

Yeah i bet it's a thirteen billion dollar a year industry, sex sells. plus you're talking about nickel and diming their way to the top, the millions of $9.95 girls gone wild VHS tapes, the website ring subscriptions, the impulse magazine purchases. Sure sports deals with a ton of money, but it's all at once, and not everyone can just start a franchise, but anyone with a camera, a website, and sexual organs can make a website and sell their amature videos.

Sorry, but it'll be many a blue moon before i point at media as the root of our social problems. try taking personal responsability for ones own actions, blame the rapists for the rape, not what they watched to warm up.

>>5
www.teenax.com

>>11
is dat sum fail?

The fact that women will date a negro proves they like to be abused.

>>12
"porn doesn't rape people, sick freaks with violent tendancies people people."

Unfortunately, that isn't a hundred percent accurate.  There are certain environmental considerations that must be made.  People are influenced by interactions they have with their environment.  As such, rape is an effect, porn the cause. 

>>16
"As such, rape is an effect, porn the cause."

Can you prove that?  That porn is even the main cause for rape?

>>17 I can.  http://www.erasethedark.com/outline.html

alright, take away porn, all of it, even the sports illustrated swimsuit edition. now what? OH YEAH, THERE ARE STILL RAPES GOIN ON. possibly even more. if prohibition has taught us anything, it's that the more you tabboo something, the more attractive it seems, esp if there's insufficient enforcement. The internet is a mighty big place. lots of places to hide. child por is illegal, yet it still seems to thrive within peer to peer clients, with only hand fulls of arrests made. now think of porn, and how widespread it is now. i know i personally have more than 100 gigs of mixed porn on my computer. and that's just me. think of everyone with the same amount, even more, ready and willing to fill the content gap should it arise. sure, you may ban porn, but only in its current professional form. you'll still get stuff we kept, stuff we saved, stuff we made ourselves. Rape is a far deeper social problem than just porn, and it's noth environmental factors that need to be delt with, not just what rapists happen to anjoy when they're not, you know, raping.

>>18
That's a nice bunch of statistics.  But many of them don't have anything to do with rape or porn.  Not to mention that simple correlation does not prove causation.

>>19 Through monitoring of the internet, among other things, it might be possible to track down pornographers and porn-watchers without excessive searches on the rest of the population.  It is imperitive that this is done to ensure the protection of women and women's rights. 

>>21
So we should spy on people in order to protect women's rights? Hypocritical. Just give up, it will be a cold day in Hell when you convince 4chan that porn is bad.

>>22 The police powers are already there and necessary to counter the activities of terrorists.  It would be a simple matter to then apply the same methods to countering other illegal activities, such as pornographers and drug users.  It could be done.  Also, if it saves the life of just one woman, isn't it worth it?

Porn which glorifies rape causes rape. Porn which shows women enjoying sex will condition a would be rapist to not get what he expected when he molests a woman and probably be too shocked to continue.

>>22  Sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice some personal freedoms in order to keep people safe.  To do any less would be selfish. 

>>21
this is a very monoptic view point. you seek to sacrifice our right to privacy in order to enforce what you THINK is the cause of rape. As well intentioned as your motives are, nothing is worth stomping on our constitutional rights.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither"  Ben Franklin

It's an over used quote, but no more less valid.

>>26  The correlation between the abuse of women and the proliferation of pornography is evident.  Some constitutional rights must be sacrificed for the sake of keeping people safe.  Reasonable gun controls must be enacted to keep people from becoming victims of gun violence..  reasonable controls on porn are necessary to protect both women's dignity and their bodies from assault by rapists.  To say that you simply will not compromise is selfish at the very least.  If it saves even one woman, it will be worth it.  Sacrificing freedom is a sad thing to have to do, but it is the price one must pay for keeping women safe.

>>23
the sheer amount of child pornography available in the internet says differntly. child porn is already illegal, and there is already initiatives to hunt it down and eliminate it. yet it still exists in mass amounts. and you're saying that it's possible to patrol the internet and eliminate all porn? sorry, to burst your bubble, but this is impossible.

also, what's more worth the time, protecting abused children, or full grown women at the very least able to defend themselves?

>>24

i'm not sure i agree with you, but ok w/e.

incidently, i smell troll all over this thread. someone is playing devils advocate without reguard to logic or realistic circumstances. there are far more important things you have to consider when looking at the causes of violent crimes, let alone violent sexual crimes. porn is simply an easy scapegoat because most us are already reigned into thinking it's wrong and dirty. Again, you're blaming the media as if it were an explicite guidebook to criminal action. violent video games dont create teenage murderes, even though those kids might have playd said games before participating in criminal activity.

>>28
"violent video games dont create teenage murderes, even though those kids might have playd said games before participating in criminal activity."

Yet another classic example.  Experiances in environments shape the way a person will turn out.  Playing excessively violent video games might make one become a violent person.  Watching violent pornography can make one view women with disrespect, and causes some people to commit rape.  Having a culture that glorifies and proliferates guns leads to gun violence. 

Obviously, we have a very volatile mixture here.  When combined, we can see the formulation of our modern violence epidemic.  It is necessary to sacrifice some of our freedoms to keep women safe.  Again, if it saves just one woman, wouldn't it be worth it? Obviously you must compromise some freedom for the sake of safety. 

>>29
"Obviously you must compromise some freedom for the sake of safety. "

If you are weak, yes.

>>29

ok, your logic is all over the palce here. beforeful with your wording.

"Yet another classic example.  Experiances in environments shape the way a person will turn out.  Playing excessively violent video games might make one become a violent person."

ok, you say MIGHT, which is true, it MIGHT do those things, and then again it MIGHT not.

"Watching violent pornography can make one view women with disrespect, and causes some people to commit rape."

ok, it CAN POSSIBLY make one view women with disrespect, but it's not guarenteed. and it does cause SOME people to commit rape, though how many you can't be sure, and what other factors could have contributed equally you are also not sure of.

"Having a culture that glorifies and proliferates guns leads to gun violence."

DOES lead to? you can't be certain. you can't be certain it's equally the fault of poor parenting and poor living conditions.

"Again, if it saves just one woman, wouldn't it be worth it?"

No. to deny a coutry of people their right to privacy to protect the single life of a person is NOT worth it. i dont want to sound callous, but a single life does not over shadow the greater rights of the whole. And no, we should never compromise our freedom for anything. freedom of speech, freedom to privacy, these are all constitutional rights, and no man can take them away from us, no matter what. because if we are not free, there is no point being secure. we can be secure all we want under a dictatorship if you like, but this is america and our freedoms should never waver.

Chemical Castration and anti-penetration traps are the answer (imagine some poor tempted brewski-addict who has been "confused by feminism and sexualized by liberal TV" trying to rape a woman and getting a toxic nail embedded in his acorn - THAT is fucking justice). Also, women should be encouraged to get guns and/or big fucking blades.

>>32
i agree with that. everyone should have the means by which they can protect themselves. if you think you can do that without mace or whatever, that's fine, but that's your responsibility. the blame is still all on the rapists, but your chances of being victemized is decreased dramatically if you took self defensive precautions.

>>4
Durr, in traditional Japanese society shame is considered to be as bad as death. Also they got concept of honor. This is why crime rates are low, but rising as youngsters ignore these traditions.

>>32
Anti-penetration traps are more dangerous to women than rapist. Imagine what would rapist do if he discovers that his dick got seriously cut by such device. He would kill the woman for sure. Guns are much better choice. Some strap-on gun would be ultimate I guess.

>>35
hmm, this is true. i suppose a good ol can of mace would do you good then, or a tazer or something.

>>35 I was thinking along the lines of deabilitating pain together with a mild dose of an incapacitating toxin. There is no reason whatsoever why this wouldn't be an attractive idea.

>>37
Well, disabling people by pain is very risky. Rapist with just adrenaline running in his veins can take quite extreme amount of pain. Toxins on the otherhand might be good idea, but usually they take up quite long time before they start to work and legality is then concern too. Not to mention that some people are resistant. Headshot is something however that works against any rapist, although there are cases when it hasn't worked so well. Rasputin's assasination being most famous. Still you're better off with gun than needle condom.

>>37
How long does it take for a the shit to actualy incapacitate the fuck? How long does it take for a guy to snap a neck after he feels something prick his dick?

Surely, no reason whatsoever not to do it.


>>38
Guns are for the weak, actually being able to exert force on physical objects around you works best, but of course it would help if the society's 'ideal' woman wasn't a goddamn twig.

You're saying porn causes more rape? The very concept that a woman should be skin and bones started in the 60s which is also the time period that stupid site you're referencing says rape numbers have gone up, you want to know what I think causes more rape? Women being overall smaller, having less mass and surely less muscle and general ability combined with the fact that the modern day women is a complete shithead and no one with at least half a mind likes at all or even talks to. And you expect anyone to have remorse for someone like that when regarding the idea of rape? Let alone some mangey guy who likes sex enough to bear even touching one of the nasty things let alone not even caring about the horrible shriek the little monster will let out with its terrible voice. That dude doesn't care about shit and I doubt even if the bitch was a saint (as if) he would care so I guess its completely ok to be the way they are except for the fact they couldnt hope to inflict MASSIVE damage on a human to save their life, LITERALLY.

But hey, maybe if the bitch wasn't a bitch, guys who do know how to hurt people would like to hang out with her? Instead of saying 'fuck you bitch I'm playing videogames' while the bitch being the twat she is has to go out somewhere just to get out of the house or something equally stupid and end up in the situation where these things happen, they'd play some mario 3 or something?

>>39
"Guns are for the weak"

Enjoy being shot by the said "weak", guns are for rational persons who realise that we live in modern age and have created such effective useful tools. Age of fist is long over and age of sword ended with flintlocks. Even old martial arts masters realise this(although many of their students don't).