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PHP is a toy language

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 8:40

Discuss!

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 9:45

Indeed, php has some security "features".

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 10:10

A new PHP coders experience:
Day 1: This is like Perl just... without all the cool stuff :\
Day 2: Actually, it's not too bad. For web work it's actually very occasionally easier to use than Perl, and has less overhead (except for mod_perl, but that's a bitch)
Day 3: I miss all Perl's quote operators. Escaping things is a bitch :(
Day 4: It is becoming apparent that a lot of areas of PHP had little thought put into them. Functions behave inconsistently with each other, 'features' such as magic quotes are inconsistant, useless and annoying to real programmers, and in some cases cannot be turned off. Certain design decisions are seriously restricting me here...
Day 5: mysql_* sucks compared to DBI
Day 6: Argh. Random bugs in the interpreter and runtime environment. Argh!
Day 7: Programmer ports all the really heavy stuff to Perl and no longer has problems. Leaves all the super light web interface stuff in PHP.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 10:35

Your title is not correct:

this is a perl coder first php experience.

Besides. Nobody know what the fuck happens in perl code after it hasnt been read in 2 day's. Its too fucking cryptic. even more so with all the short anotations.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 11:23

php is fast for web

its fast, thats why

grandaddy perl can obviously do more, but thats not the point

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 11:24

>>4

Sure, if you're completely incompetent. Which would put you right in the intended user group for PHP.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 11:30

perl is king of monster script languages everyone knows it
and python is an evil bastard child

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 11:33

>>5

If you are saying its performance is fast, PHP and mod_perl perform roughly the same.

If you are saying you can quickly throw together a little app that grabs values out of a database and shows them on a page, sure, that's what a toy language is good for. For real work, you still want a real language.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 11:37

>>8
stock performance perhaps
google runs highly modded php

and yes, its very fast to slap toghether... php

Name: 2004-12-25 12:03 (capped)

Shiichan is the definition of very quickly slapped together PHP :v

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 12:13

phps motto: whatever works

ke ke

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 15:24

Perl is for people who like writing beautiful, artistic code that will serve as a testament to their creativity for generations.


Screw those people, I just want to be able to read the code and know what it does.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 15:48 (sage)

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 16:00

>>12
tmtowtdi~~

Name: 名無しさん 2004-12-25 16:02

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After the last war we had completely lost, our lord got mental illness. Everyday, he kidnaps girls from the village. Every night he gets drunk and tries to chop courtiers with his katana.
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Quite a few of our fellow courtiers have intention to rise in rebellion.
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We apologize for any inconvenience our lord may have caused you.
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Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 16:03

what

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 16:17 (sage)

>>15 just won the thread, I'm afraid :|

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 16:23

>>12

If there is no creativity and no art in the act of programming, you might as well just be a plumber.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 17:37

At least plumbers make things work .

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 17:55

>>19
lool he called you a plumber!!!%

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 17:56

They also show their butt cracks. Do you want BUTT CRACKS all over your web site?

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-25 19:10

>>21 teh win

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-26 2:21 (sage)

PHP is a plain ugly hack. It's inconsistent, filled with an unholy number of functions, and the runtime is poor.

If you need a quick webpage maybe it'll do, but comparing it to a Real Language is a joke.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-26 3:40 (sage)

its specific to web - hackish by definition, no one claims its a 'real' language



Name: Anonymous 2004-12-26 4:59 (sage)

Tell that to the PHP developers.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-26 6:45 (sage)

>>25 use the language thats suited for the purpose
web is php

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-26 7:02

what ever works best. use it. whocares if its teh h4x or not. cgi where cgi is due, php if php will do or javascript where the monkeys are down you through wonderign why you havnt done any changes you were supposed to do 10 years ago.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-26 14:57

>>18, there's a time for expressing yourself, and there's a time for getting work done. On a large project, "creativity" can be overdone.

>>23, Perl is a plain ugly hack too, yet it is apparently considered the god of all programming languages (unless you are Scheme/Ruby/Ocaml/PATH mark). I guess ugly hacks age like wine sometimes.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-26 15:05 (sage)

Perl _is_ an ugly hack. But it sure beats PHP in syntactic beauty. Anything beats PHP.

Of course we could all wax on why nobody uses Scheme/Ruby/OCaml, but that's life.

Name: Fnordulicious 2004-12-26 15:51

Perl is the only language which can parse Perl.

It doesn't get any worse.

Nuff said.

Name: Fnordulicious 2004-12-26 16:01

BTW, all scripting languages are toys. If it doesn't compile to machine code better than can be written by hand, the language is a toy.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-26 19:41 (sage)

By extension C is a toy?

I hope that was sarcasm.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-27 0:25

ASP owns your face. :/

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-27 14:02

>>32
yes, it was sarcasm

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-28 2:54 (sage)

Give me Ada over PHP anyday.

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-28 2:56 (sage)

lol ruby

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-28 10:51

PERL == Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-28 17:20

PHP == Penis Homo Penis olololololol

Name: Random Anonymous Fucktard 2004-12-28 17:52 (sage)

Are the functions touching?

Name: Zzzzz 2004-12-28 22:44

Bah, I use php AND perl every day.  And Java.

Java's great if you're writing a huge app.  If you're writing a three-liner, there's nothing like taking 15 damn minutes turning it into a class and filling in all the other crap to make it a program.

Perl's great for quick and dirty stuff but DBI is a nightmare.  I guess when you try to have a single interface to every database possible, it has to be the lowest common denominator.  At least with the mysql_* (or in my case, pg_*, though this could be a thread of its own) I get to use the full power of my chosen database.  DBI can't even do large data blobs properly.

If I'm not using a database, its embperl all the way.  All the inline code goodness of PHP, but with perl as the language.

Name: Random Anonymous Fucktard 2004-12-29 3:43 (sage)

That may be true. But that's similar to how we used to code down to the metal, with all its problems (and benefits). Now days we use drivers with uniform APIs instead.

I suppose if the target platform is fixed for the foreseeable future it doesn't matter.

DBI with extensions. That might be amusing.

Name: PassiveSmoking 2004-12-29 6:10

Anyone here tried Python? I do PHP as a living but I have heard good stuff about Python too.

Name: Zzzzz 2004-12-29 7:45

I've "played with" python, and after you get over the strict indentation laws it's a fairly pretty language to code in, but I haven't come up with something to actually write in it, so I haven't tried it for any kind of application.

Name: Aborn! 2004-12-29 8:02 Aborn!

Aborn!

Name: Anonymous 2004-12-31 15:05

Script languages are script languages, but still cold fusion hurts my lazy fingers more than php. It might even be "better", but its a damn lot to write ><

Name: Royston 2005-01-03 12:16

PHP is what it is, A simple web application scripting language.
Its good for what its ment for, SQL data driven websites.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-03 12:57

It's hard to beat PHP for simple web applications and content management systems alike. But, perl is more versatile because it works with non-web systems.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-03 18:18

>>47

so does php, it's just less widely used for that type of thing

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-03 21:59

Have you ever seen a real toy language? Befunge, Shelta, Malbolge[sic], those were created specifically for playing with.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-04 6:00

>Malbolge

more like self-flagellation, really

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-04 6:33 (sage)

>>48
It's also more difficult to work with PHP "offline."

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-04 19:57

I used to install a webserver on my computer for that purpose, so that I could test webpages before putting them online.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-06 8:54 (sage)

>>52
by "offline" (and the reason for the quotes), I mean no one is going to be making scripts for commandline use in PHP.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-06 12:26

I do. It's functionally equivalent to perl, so why not?

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-07 15:37 (sage)

It's functionally equivalent to perl

In the sense that both are Turing-complete, sure.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-07 23:10

it`s not like you can test any web script "offline"... And I do use php for offline shell scripts, because I cba to learn another language.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-08 13:42

Erm... install a local web server?

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-09 6:47 (sage)

Oh, I have made commandline scripts before, but it's not exactly as easy to work with in such a manner as Perl is.

Name: VIPPER 2005-01-12 0:55

PHP IS THE LEET

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-22 19:21

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-27 0:04 (sage)

geeks.say('real men uses') = so.wrong

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-27 2:21

PHP was never designed as a general purpose language, but at the same time, it's not a proof of concept or instructional language either, which would appear to be the official definition of "toy language"

Also, I've heard languages that don't have a compiler written in said language are "toy" languages. PHP is not a compiled language, so this also does not apply.

That's my two cents.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-27 22:17

>>61
that's an expression, not an equation :eng101:

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-28 8:45

>>61
I agree that saying "real men uses" is very, very wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-29 14:11

>>29
  " Of course we could all wax on why nobody uses Scheme/Ruby/OCaml, but that's life."

Hey! I use Scheme all the time for making web graphics.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-31 6:14

I DONT CARE SHIT, I JUST WANT A LANGUAGE THAT IS EASY, UNDERSTANDABLE, WORK AND FAST

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-31 7:20

It is probably the case that if you can't handle the grammar of your first language, you may not be quite cut out for the intricacies of a real programming language.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-31 8:27 (sage)

>>66
>EASY
BASIC

>UNDERSTANDABLE
lol internet

>WORK
most languages do...

>FAST
try asm or c...

if you want all of them in one language, too bad.

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-05 18:14

if thats the case, give id have basic

Name: Darxide 2005-02-05 23:14

My personal experience: PHP = a good, powerful scripting language like Perl, without the crappy, insane, inconsistent syntax of Perl. Awesome productivity. Intended for web applications and serious/longer console scripts. Not intended for Doom 4, that's what C is for and it'll always be like this.

And for what it's good, it PWNS Java. By the time PHP_guy finishes his web portal and is now browsing 4chan in his spare time, Java_guy is still defining class BoardUserCalendarDataStreamStringLayerBufferedInputHandler and wrote 10000 lines of unproductive OO trash. Sure, it's reusable code. You can "easily" transform your image board into CD burning software, a screensaver, or a soccer simulator, beacuse it's all OO. Maintenance is a snap, you only have to navigate through 800 classes and interfaces to find the piece of code you want. That's "information hiding", after all! And it's conceptually right. For example, y=f(x) is clearly not a function, but a method of an abstract mathematical object. And so on.

So this is what I do:
- Quick hacks: Perl.
- Web and fine scripts: PHP.
- System applications and serious non-web stuff: C.

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-06 8:07

>>17
here's what i do:
quick web hacks: PHP
command-line scripts and larger web scripts: perl
other stuff: C

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-06 11:34

>>70 is a toy programmer.

Name: Darxide 2005-02-06 14:31

>>72

Because I don't worship OO as everybody else does? Or perhaps because you consider something not OO, not running on a 10+ meg abstraction layer, not using a 2 GB application server, and not using XML even for the about box is a toy (that'd make most of Linux a fancy one BTW)?

Friendly tip: Stop reading PC Magazine and doing whatever the big business guys do - they do it to validate their ludicrous budgets and timelines. Just save your time.

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-06 20:02

BoardUserCalendarDataStreamStringLayerBufferedInputHandler

I laughed.

Thank god I don't touch Java anymore except for random sockets stuff.

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-07 14:17

>>73
did you ever try an oo language besides java :O?

Name: Darxide 2005-02-08 11:10

>>75

Yup, but it ended up being mixed C++, C++--, and C. I think it's a good choice though; you OO what's OO and not-OO what's not-OO. I still prefer traditional, structured, modular, intelligent programming though.

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-08 16:34 (sage)

C++--? What?

And how do you get mixed C++ and C? C++ is a superset of C, you don't "mix" it. You using C99 or something?

Name: Darxide 2005-02-08 22:10

>>77

"C++ is a superset of C" --- Of course, I meant I was using mixed OO and non OO (pure C) data structures and methods/functions. Part of it was OO, and the main program which wasn't used it.

C++-- is what we had before C99... all the cool stuff introduced in C++, like operator and function overloading, but sticking to traditional structured programming.

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-09 10:33

>>73

I was mocking you for this:

PHP = a good, powerful scripting language like Perl, without the crappy, insane, inconsistent syntax of Perl. Awesome productivity. Intended for web applications and serious/longer console scripts.

I'm not sure if the part where you think PHP is consistent is funnier, or the part about using PHP for console scripts.

Name: Darxides 2005-02-09 17:51

>>79

PHP is relatively consistent compared to Perl. It's relatively useful for console scripts compared to other scripting languages.

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-09 18:30

>>80
lol

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-09 20:51 (sage)

That cracks me up, mate. Hey, PHP has its own strengths, but being religiously delusional about a tool is just wasting your time...

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-10 20:14

Brainfuck is better for console scripts and more consistent than PHP.

Name: Darxide 2005-02-11 18:55

>>82

Lol. I'm not religiously devoted to PHP, I just found it useful and saved hours with it compared to what I was using, and thought I could share this experience. The day I bump onto something more productive or anything I like better I would have no problem to switch.

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-12 5:04

ruby =O

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-12 7:49

>>84
That's fine; whatever works for you. Just be careful about sweeping generalizations. Your use of "relatively" twice indicates you're aware your argument is standing on thin ice.

For the record, I believe PHP is more consistent than Perl. PHP suffers from a morass of function though, and those are far from consistent.

Name: Darxide 2005-02-13 0:10

>>86

My use of "relatively" indicates I'm being overly cautious not to get mercilessly bashed for generalizing a little.

Name: deitarion 2005-02-23 6:08

>>7

Could you clarify your reason for disliking Python? I enjoy it enough that my only experience with PHP is debugging scripts that will tide me over until I have time to rewrite them in Python CGI.

Then again, I'm of the "If it's not a worthwhile option for non-web applications, then why should I trust it for server-side scripting enough to spend time learning it?" school of thought.

Name: Alfarin 2005-03-02 3:24

I've used both php and perl... and I'd have to say, each to their own preference...  sure, perl is much more powerful than php in some ways, but it is also a massive memory whore... and if you're doing web applications, memory whore is no good... so that's where php kicks in...  light, fast, and robust...  You CAN also do OOP with php... its just slightly more annoying... but none the less, its not impossible.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-02 3:46

BASIC

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-02 6:17

>>89
lol clueless

PHP and Perl have different strengths, but I certainly hope that wasn't your reason for choosing PHP.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-05 18:39

Perl = Executable Line Noise

Do I need to say any more?
PHP does a damn good job at what it does.  Perl has been "adopted" to do stuff it was never designed for.
<b>Trivia Question</b>:  What does PERL stand for?
...yeah, I thought that'd clear up a few things.

>>70
Object-Oriented programming is not the enemy.  It is a beautiful paradigm for designing large software systems.  But of course, it shouldn't be abused.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-06 8:20

>>92
What does PERL stand for?

You know you're opening a whole new can of worms with that one. Prepare for a lengthy essay on the correct capitalization of Perl and how it's not really an acronym, etc etc. :P

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-06 9:03

>>93
Yay, more drama coming soon ^_^ .

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-06 9:54

Perl has been "adopted" to do stuff it was never designed for.

And PHP hasn't? That's hilarious.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-06 16:42

>>96
That all your words were wasted because you're agreeing with >>95? Perl can do CGI and PHP can do shell scripts.

Reading comprehension, man. Or aren't you even aware of the capabilities of the language you defend?

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-06 19:00

More drama plz.

I'll throw this in: PHP is an evolution of /perl/i. It was designed after it, and they learnt from /perl/i's mistakes.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-07 0:14

By the same token most modern languages are an evolution of lisp.

Oh wait...

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-07 4:52

100get

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-07 10:46

>>98

Funniest post yet.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-08 0:37

I think this summarizes PHP best.
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.date-sunrise.php

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-11 23:16

echo levenshtein(metaphone(hebrev(ucwords("TOO MANY"))), stripcslashes(addcslashes("useless", "functions!")));

Name: Christy McJesus !DcbLlAZi7U 2005-03-12 19:41

(setf lol 'internet)

Do I win?

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-12 20:42

No.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-13 20:10

levenshtein is pretty damn useful actually.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-14 10:50

echo("wtf")

Name: Christy McJesus !DcbLlAZi7U 2005-03-14 11:22

10 PRINT "WE KNOW DRAMA"
20 GOTO 10

flawless victory!

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-14 12:52

while(1) fork();

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-14 12:53

for(;;) {
    post_crap_on_the_intarweb(&my_intarweb);
    fork();
}

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-14 13:36

life = iterate postOnTheInternet "haskell > you"

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-14 15:39

my_intarweb.GTFO(yu0);

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-15 1:36

Y=\f.(\x.f(xx))(\x.f(xx))
Y(you fail)

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-15 18:29

>>113
WTF was that?

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-26 0:35

I still think ASP is a better "toy language" than PHP.

toys are FUN, right?  Why NOT have fun with your job?

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-30 17:11

I have to agree, PHP is definitely a Toy language. There really isn't any big corporate jobs for a lowly PHP programmer, but it's a quick way to make a couple hundred bucks.
 
 Considering the simplicity of most jobs and relative easy to pick up the language, I have to say it's a pretty good deal.

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-21 18:34

The fact that 4chan defends php shows you how newbish 4chan programmers really are.

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-22 17:18

>>117
Or how fanboyish you probably are.

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-22 17:55

PHP and mod_perl perform roughly the same.

Say what? Speedwise?

No they don't. Not even close!

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-05 19:21

>>119 that's what i said in #perl on freenode right before I got flamed.

don't forget everyone, php is known for being making a lot of STUPID security bugs

Name: 119 2005-10-05 21:06

I'm not certain what you told them, but Perl is far and away faster than PHP.

If you're using a scripting language, speed isn't a major consideration; programmer productivity is. However, if we do compare speed, PHP is near the back of the pack for common scripting languages.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-06 8:17

speed isn't a major consideration; programmer productivity is
I wish more people would bear this in mind. It's sad when a discussion on any given language devolves into "OMG <foo> IS SLOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT C!!!"

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-06 8:44

>>120
Don't forget everyone that these errors come because of people enforcing unrecommended settings and being sucky programmers. Perhaps PHP's problem is it has kind of an exponential learning curve; it's very easy to start using it, but it's also very easy to do it all wrong. There are some functions you shouldn't use, and ways of doing stuff which are far better than others, but noobs don't realize this and this is why a lot of PHP code sucks. This is why it's being overly bashed in some scenes. But there ARE good PHP programmers out there. And once you get it right, you can be very productive with it, and it has a cleaner syntax, which matters to me.

>>122
Well, that depends on what are you doing with it. I'm a productivity person if we're talking web applications, database applications, and scripts. I'm a shit sux fag use C guy when we're talking games, or applications that deal with massive amounts of data (typically, 2D, 3D and sound). Don't forget 80%-90% of the software anybody currently has in his/her hard disk is written in C/C++/C++--.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-06 16:16

Well, that depends on what are you doing with it. I'm a productivity person if we're talking web applications, database applications, and scripts. I'm a shit sux fag use C guy when we're talking games, or applications that deal with massive amounts of data

In other words you like to use the right language for the task. I applaud you.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-05 18:51

lol the last poster said PHP, that means you don't have to read his post.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-05 23:28

higher level languages became popular when someone realized with fortran that higher level languages can be as fast or faster than lower level languages.

programming productivity matters but speed matters too.

in conclusion, java sucks.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-06 10:35

>>125
http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
The emperor has no clothes!
This is so true... The Emperor's Clothes story should be aired on all TVs every day and told to all children at school. It happens so much with pretty much anything. So many overhyper, misunderstood, misused, overused, oversold technologies come to my mind... OOP... XML... Java... .NET virtual machine...


>>127
Agree for some applications, disagree for some others. When you write a shell script to delete unnecessary files, compile stuff, sort downloads by type, etc., you know it'll suck so much performance-wise, but you do it because you'll be running it n times, and it'll be k seconds slower than a C program, yet n*k < D, the difference in time of writing it in C rather than shell script.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-13 5:31

>>123
Unless Microsoft is involved in some way. Then it's always Microsoft's fault, amirite?


Don't forget everyone that these errors come because of people enforcing unrecommended settings and being sucky programmers. Perhaps Windows's problem is it has kind of an exponential learning curve; it's very easy to start using it, but it's also very easy to do it all wrong. There are some functions you shouldn't use, and ways of doing stuff which are far better than others, but noobs don't realize this and this is why a lot of Windows code sucks. This is why it's being overly bashed in some scenes. But there ARE good Windows programmers out there. And once you get it right, you can be very productive with it, and it has a cleaner syntax, which matters to me.

Whee! Let's try that with Linux!
Don't forget everyone that these errors come because of people enforcing unrecommended settings and being sucky programmers. Perhaps Linux's problem is it has kind of an exponential learning curve; it's very easy to start using it, but it's also very easy to do it all wrong. There are some functions you shouldn't use, and ways of doing stuff which are far better than others, but noobs don't realize this and this is why a lot of Linux code sucks. This is why it's being overly bashed in some scenes. But there ARE good Linux programmers out there. And once you get it right, you can be very productive with it, and it has a cleaner syntax, which matters to me.

>>127
Impressive deduction, A+

>>125
Now SOA is the next 'big thing'. Funny thing is, SOA is very non OO, but that doesn't stop Java from fucking it up. Java asshats need to stop trying to pollute everything with Java; we don't want your shit. Right tool, right job, asshats.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-15 11:54

the whole linux conspiracy pisses me off

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-22 11:50

There isnt a conspicacy with linux. Yes, it is best to run servers on it because it is very secure but within the hands of a noob the OS is pretty worthless thats why windows is so mainstream because its more user friendly. Not many people want to take the time to actually learn commands and sub commands to run a system efficiently. They just want to get to something really quick and fast-- This is where security comes in. Windows is very insecure and cannot be ran for a very long time. Im running servers on the computer I use and the first i tested was windows and it failed miserably. A funny thing is windows is scared of linux and its a free open source OS and Microsoft is one of the biggest induistries in all of business.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-22 13:45

>>129
Unless Microsoft is involved in some way. Then it's always Microsoft's fault, amirite?
Request explanation on the point you're trying to make. I'm >>123 and I'm not a lunix fanboi.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-27 21:06

>>131

Modern Windows is not very insecure. Indeed, the ACL model is vastly superior to that of Unix. You obviously don't know how to use it properly.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-27 21:10

I prefer the model OSX uses. It mixes ACL with traditional unix permissions, making a system that is both simple and flexible.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-28 11:27

>>135 Indeed

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-29 19:42

>>51

Not really. With PHP, you have access to all the system commands you normally would. Check exec()

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-08 22:14

Perl has object orientation... its decent. PHP does have nice things, like include() ^__^

>>134
tard

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-08 23:48

Last I heard, Perl's OO is pretty evil.

Perl6, oh Perl6, where art thou Perl6?

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-09 6:31

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-09 7:39 (sage)

Just installed mod_python, liking it already!

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-09 8:55

Having looked at Python and Ruby, I suspect the Perl bunch will like the latter more.

How many years has Perl6 been in the works now? Six?

Name: zeppy !GuxAK3zcH. 2005-12-09 11:30 (sage)

inb4loq

seriously, this is dead.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-20 18:32

| PHP's problem is it has kind of an exponential learning curve
>>123 win

Name: Anonymous 2007-06-22 1:04 ID:eOBFRqvm

Somehow I get the idea that someone just bumped this thread to make the point that he hasn't read SICP.

Name: Anonymous 2007-06-22 2:59 ID:eOBFRqvm

Ok guys this the bumping of old threads are becoming real dumb and stuff. I think we are at /comp/ can not do it so much becos its is real stuopid and dumn. If moar people are being dumnb then i think the site admins will stop annying people getting in here as it are realy dumb and i do'nt like it, ok? So guys you just neede to stop, and look at waht you are doine becauz its not funy and its real dumb and im call the admins to stop stewpid people doing it all the times. It is just dumb. Why you are'nt stoping it now is so anoying and stuped that ill have to contact the site or else it will keepe on hapining and its not good for the comunity on the intrernets becaze its real anoying and dumn and it makes them stewpide and shit, and they wo'nt be happy and its real dumb ok? So my advise is stop spaming shit and making old dumn posts new again at the top of page in \comp\ or ill be geting you in shit and shit.
Thank you for taking my seriously its a real consirn of mine that the intanrets are making dumber and i are going to stoping it rite now! So pleze cume and halp me and togetha we will fix the intrnet and making it good.

Name: Anonymous 2007-06-24 5:15 ID:Heaven

>>145
You just bumped it. Die.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 5:45

[quote]quoting[/quote]

sage testing

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 5:45

|quoting

sage testing

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 5:45

>quoting

sage testing

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 5:46

>>quoting

sage testing

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:10

>>30
HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS
/prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND
((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO
/prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:14

>>30
HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''

OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS
/prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND
((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO
/prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:17

source :

[code]HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
[/code]
[i][b]OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN [u][o]EXPERT PROGRAMMER[/o][/u][/b][/i][code]
THIS IS[/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND [/code] [b][code](([/code][/b][code]SCHEME[/code][b]))[/b] ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO
[spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION[/code]

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:18

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''

OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS
/prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND
((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO /prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:19

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''

OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS
/prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND
((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO [spoiler][code]/prog/
[/spoiler]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:20

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''

OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS
/prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND
((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO
/prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:23

[code]HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
[/code]
[i][b]OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN [u][o]EXPERT PROGRAMMER[/o][/u][/b][/i][code]
THIS IS[/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND [/code] [b][code](([/code][/b][code]SCHEME[/code][b][code]))[/code][/b] ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO
[spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION[/code]

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:24

[code]HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
[/code]
[i][b]OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN [u][o]EXPERT PROGRAMMER[/o][/u][/b][/i][code]
THIS IS[/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND [/code] [b][code](([/code][/b][code]SCHEME[/code][b][code]))[/code][/b] ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO
[spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION[/code]

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''

OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS
/prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND
((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO /prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:25

[code]HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
[/code]
[i][b]OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN [u][o]EXPERT PROGRAMMER[/o][/u][/b][/i][code]
THIS IS[/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND [/code] [b][code](([/code][/b][code]SCHEME[/code][b][code]))[/code][/b] [code] ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO [/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION[/code]

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''

OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS
/prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND
((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO
/prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:26

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''

OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS
/prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND
((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO
/prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

Name: !s9dX6akAIA 2007-11-26 1:28

Needs moar sagetest.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-27 19:39


multiline quotes
test

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-22 6:32

Posting bbcode tests in the last thread

test

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-31 2:36

test

test -- test with o

[overline]test[/overline]  -- test with overline

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-07 21:40

>>1-165

I agree with these posters

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-08 6:41

>>1
You are wrong.  PHP is Enterprise-ready.

As for toy languages -- Haskell, Python, Perl, etc.

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-06 9:05

Forced in Haskell Certainly   not indentation of   THE CODE GET   IT I DONT   want to download   version of HtDP.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-16 3:13

Lain.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-16 3:28

Lain.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-16 3:34

Lain.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-16 3:47

Lain.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-16 4:33

Lain.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-19 8:15

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Name: Anonymous 2010-05-19 8:44

So a PHP programmer, a priest, and the queen of England walk into a bar...

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-19 11:10

>>175
Hahah, «PHP programmer». Good one.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-20 3:11

I READ past >>100 until I discovered this post is from 2007

Then i laurfed again

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-21 11:39

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-21 11:41

   

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-31 0:39


dicksdicksdicks

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-31 0:55

asdfjkl

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-31 0:55

asdf

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-31 1:08

asdf
jkl

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-31 1:09

lol shiichanbest parser ever

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-05 15:24

>>70

The most correct man in the world.

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-05 15:41

>>185
HIBT?

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-05 16:49

>>186
Go away.

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-05 16:51

>>187
A simple ,,yes99 or ``no” would have sufficed : (

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-05 17:40

>>70
Added to my library of EXPERT QUALITY POSTS, especially due to
y=f(x) is clearly not a function, but a method of an abstract mathematical object
Thanks.

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-06 7:38

>>188
66EXPERT BBCODER99

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-04 16:33

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-27 0:17

bump

Name: Anonymous 2012-11-25 15:42

Ruby FTW!

Name: Anonymous 2012-11-25 18:21

>>190
66faggot quotes99

Name: Anonymous 2012-11-27 13:32

OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN PHP PROPHP Fatal error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 'GRUNNUR'

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