PHP is a toy language

Discuss!

I'm not certain what you told them, but Perl is far and away faster than PHP.

If you're using a scripting language, speed isn't a major consideration; programmer productivity is. However, if we do compare speed, PHP is near the back of the pack for common scripting languages.

speed isn't a major consideration; programmer productivity is
I wish more people would bear this in mind. It's sad when a discussion on any given language devolves into "OMG <foo> IS SLOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT C!!!"

>>120
Don't forget everyone that these errors come because of people enforcing unrecommended settings and being sucky programmers. Perhaps PHP's problem is it has kind of an exponential learning curve; it's very easy to start using it, but it's also very easy to do it all wrong. There are some functions you shouldn't use, and ways of doing stuff which are far better than others, but noobs don't realize this and this is why a lot of PHP code sucks. This is why it's being overly bashed in some scenes. But there ARE good PHP programmers out there. And once you get it right, you can be very productive with it, and it has a cleaner syntax, which matters to me.

>>122
Well, that depends on what are you doing with it. I'm a productivity person if we're talking web applications, database applications, and scripts. I'm a shit sux fag use C guy when we're talking games, or applications that deal with massive amounts of data (typically, 2D, 3D and sound). Don't forget 80%-90% of the software anybody currently has in his/her hard disk is written in C/C++/C++--.

Well, that depends on what are you doing with it. I'm a productivity person if we're talking web applications, database applications, and scripts. I'm a shit sux fag use C guy when we're talking games, or applications that deal with massive amounts of data

In other words you like to use the right language for the task. I applaud you.

lol the last poster said PHP, that means you don't have to read his post.

higher level languages became popular when someone realized with fortran that higher level languages can be as fast or faster than lower level languages.

programming productivity matters but speed matters too.

in conclusion, java sucks.

>>125
http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
The emperor has no clothes!
This is so true... The Emperor's Clothes story should be aired on all TVs every day and told to all children at school. It happens so much with pretty much anything. So many overhyper, misunderstood, misused, overused, oversold technologies come to my mind... OOP... XML... Java... .NET virtual machine...


>>127
Agree for some applications, disagree for some others. When you write a shell script to delete unnecessary files, compile stuff, sort downloads by type, etc., you know it'll suck so much performance-wise, but you do it because you'll be running it n times, and it'll be k seconds slower than a C program, yet n*k < D, the difference in time of writing it in C rather than shell script.

>>123
Unless Microsoft is involved in some way. Then it's always Microsoft's fault, amirite?


Don't forget everyone that these errors come because of people enforcing unrecommended settings and being sucky programmers. Perhaps Windows's problem is it has kind of an exponential learning curve; it's very easy to start using it, but it's also very easy to do it all wrong. There are some functions you shouldn't use, and ways of doing stuff which are far better than others, but noobs don't realize this and this is why a lot of Windows code sucks. This is why it's being overly bashed in some scenes. But there ARE good Windows programmers out there. And once you get it right, you can be very productive with it, and it has a cleaner syntax, which matters to me.

Whee! Let's try that with Linux!
Don't forget everyone that these errors come because of people enforcing unrecommended settings and being sucky programmers. Perhaps Linux's problem is it has kind of an exponential learning curve; it's very easy to start using it, but it's also very easy to do it all wrong. There are some functions you shouldn't use, and ways of doing stuff which are far better than others, but noobs don't realize this and this is why a lot of Linux code sucks. This is why it's being overly bashed in some scenes. But there ARE good Linux programmers out there. And once you get it right, you can be very productive with it, and it has a cleaner syntax, which matters to me.

>>127
Impressive deduction, A+

>>125
Now SOA is the next 'big thing'. Funny thing is, SOA is very non OO, but that doesn't stop Java from fucking it up. Java asshats need to stop trying to pollute everything with Java; we don't want your shit. Right tool, right job, asshats.

the whole linux conspiracy pisses me off

There isnt a conspicacy with linux. Yes, it is best to run servers on it because it is very secure but within the hands of a noob the OS is pretty worthless thats why windows is so mainstream because its more user friendly. Not many people want to take the time to actually learn commands and sub commands to run a system efficiently. They just want to get to something really quick and fast-- This is where security comes in. Windows is very insecure and cannot be ran for a very long time. Im running servers on the computer I use and the first i tested was windows and it failed miserably. A funny thing is windows is scared of linux and its a free open source OS and Microsoft is one of the biggest induistries in all of business.

>>129
Unless Microsoft is involved in some way. Then it's always Microsoft's fault, amirite?
Request explanation on the point you're trying to make. I'm >>123 and I'm not a lunix fanboi.

>>131

Modern Windows is not very insecure. Indeed, the ACL model is vastly superior to that of Unix. You obviously don't know how to use it properly.

I prefer the model OSX uses. It mixes ACL with traditional unix permissions, making a system that is both simple and flexible.

>>135 Indeed

>>51

Not really. With PHP, you have access to all the system commands you normally would. Check exec()

Perl has object orientation... its decent. PHP does have nice things, like include() ^__^

>>134
tard

Last I heard, Perl's OO is pretty evil.

Perl6, oh Perl6, where art thou Perl6?

>>139
http://www.python.org/ here

Just installed mod_python, liking it already!

Having looked at Python and Ruby, I suspect the Perl bunch will like the latter more.

How many years has Perl6 been in the works now? Six?

inb4loq

seriously, this is dead.

| PHP's problem is it has kind of an exponential learning curve
>>123 win

Somehow I get the idea that someone just bumped this thread to make the point that he hasn't read SICP.

Ok guys this the bumping of old threads are becoming real dumb and stuff. I think we are at /comp/ can not do it so much becos its is real stuopid and dumn. If moar people are being dumnb then i think the site admins will stop annying people getting in here as it are realy dumb and i do'nt like it, ok? So guys you just neede to stop, and look at waht you are doine becauz its not funy and its real dumb and im call the admins to stop stewpid people doing it all the times. It is just dumb. Why you are'nt stoping it now is so anoying and stuped that ill have to contact the site or else it will keepe on hapining and its not good for the comunity on the intrernets becaze its real anoying and dumn and it makes them stewpide and shit, and they wo'nt be happy and its real dumb ok? So my advise is stop spaming shit and making old dumn posts new again at the top of page in \comp\ or ill be geting you in shit and shit.
Thank you for taking my seriously its a real consirn of mine that the intanrets are making dumber and i are going to stoping it rite now! So pleze cume and halp me and togetha we will fix the intrnet and making it good.

>>145
You just bumped it. Die.

[quote]quoting[/quote]

sage testing

|quoting

sage testing

>quoting

sage testing

>>quoting

sage testing

>>30
HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS/prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO/prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

>>30
HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS /prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO /prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

source :

[code]HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
[/code]
[i][b]OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN [u][o]EXPERT PROGRAMMER[/o][/u][/b][/i][code]
THIS IS[/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND [/code] [b][code](([/code][/b][code]SCHEME[/code][b]))[/b] ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION[/code]

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS /prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND ((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO /prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS /prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND ((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO [spoiler][code]/prog/[/spoiler]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS /prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND ((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO/prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

[code]HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
[/code]
[i][b]OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN [u][o]EXPERT PROGRAMMER[/o][/u][/b][/i][code]
THIS IS[/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND [/code] [b][code](([/code][/b][code]SCHEME[/code][b][code]))[/code][/b] ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION[/code]

[code]HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
[/code]
[i][b]OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN [u][o]EXPERT PROGRAMMER[/o][/u][/b][/i][code]
THIS IS[/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND [/code] [b][code](([/code][/b][code]SCHEME[/code][b][code]))[/code][/b] ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION[/code]

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS /prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND ((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO /prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

[code]HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
[/code]
[i][b]OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN [u][o]EXPERT PROGRAMMER[/o][/u][/b][/i][code]
THIS IS[/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND [/code] [b][code](([/code][/b][code]SCHEME[/code][b][code]))[/code][/b] [code] ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO [/code] [spoiler][code]/prog/[/code][/spoiler][code]
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION[/code]

HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS /prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND ((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO /prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION