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Roger THAT. Stop spending money on EPIC FAIL. The public school systems are now so insular and baselessly arrogant that only wholesale starvation will force them to change for the better. The unions for teachers and administrators will push for huge overcompensation all the way down, however.
I know my view will not be popular, but homeschooling. Best thing ever. The only reason that it's not is because niggers won't leech of it anymore, like niggers ever cared about school.
I like Hillary Clinton\'s position on education. We should increase teacher\'s salaries and give more money to failing schools! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr5D7Ea8sb0
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Anonymous2007-09-28 0:49 ID:mmVLNrK8
>>10
But that would provide the incentive for schools to fail to get more funding.
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Anonymous2007-09-28 0:56 ID:Ur9W+QzY
Schools that are failing just need more money. School choice advocates just want to push their far-right agenda and destroy America\'s fantastic public education system!
Ok. fuck you school choice activists. Fuck you fuck you fuck you. I live in utah, where classroom sizes are nearly highest in the nation, and funding is nearly lowest.
How do you propose that some private school is going to be able to pay their teachers even half of what the public school ones are? sorry but no one with a master's degree in education is going to work for under 22k a year, which is what the public schoolteachers get as starting pay.
fuck you fuck you fuck you
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Anonymous2007-10-06 2:08
>>3
fuck you redcream, you fucking namefag. Although I will concede that there are some bad teachers, until you actually try the job and sit in on class sessions and watch someone do it, shut your fucking mouth.
God. Would you just leave 4chan already? your namefaggotry is reaching critical mass and unfortunately no one wants your fuckingNopinion when you have a name.
" HI IM REDCREAM I SUCK MONSTER COCKS AND TRY TO BUILD UP A REPUTATION ON 4CHAN! ITS TOO BAD THAT THE ONLY ONE I'VE MADE IS AS A COCKSUCKING FAGGOT."
Well, if no one will work for that -- even assuming that privatization results in that kind of pay, which is a false assumption in the first place -- then prices will rise or students will move towards institutions that will provide. After all, it's about INDIVIDUAL CHOICE, not the government controlling everything.
No, I will NOT just shut my mouth. I pay the taxes that fulfill the paychecks of local teachers. Therefore, THEY WORK FOR ME. As my employees they will either perform up to reasonable expectations or they will be replaced.
You teacherfags are part of a legacy entitlement system that we are going to get the fuck rid of. Enjoy your unearned paychecks while they last, teacherfuckwit. Your class of person is the most intellectually lazy motherfucker alive, which is simply astonishing considering how well educated you supposedly are.
Well? COME ON, BITCH! Tell us again how bad teachers have to continue to receive good pay and GREAT benefits, without regard for their lousy performance. TELL US SOME MOOOOOOOAAAAAAAR, BITCH!
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Anonymous2007-10-06 16:15
Privatise the education system. The only reason we are dependant on the government is because they unjustly monopolise everything with their tax laws. The free market is the perfect economic system.
Much dumbass here. Don't you understand dumbshit? That's not your fucking money the government STOLE that money from you. The government pays the teachers with THEIR money.
I agree with your end result but you are incredibly short-sighted and your arguements are shit at best. The American education systems state is a SYMPTOM of a larger problem. The government control you mention is the source. Income tax could be greatly reduced by allowing parents to send their children to private school. The way to stop shit government programs is to stop shit government theft. The more you stupid fucks vote for democrats the more the fucks are going to take from you. Republicans respect your money but are fascist. Therefore vote Libertarian but only when there's not an entitlement fucker running.
The world won't change because you post fuck every other word on a backwater website you gotta take some action. Without pulling vtechs.
>>21 FAIL. You don't understand taxation at all. The government doesn't own that money. It took it from the taxpayers, who are the ultimate payers for the school district they're in. Since the taxpayers are the source of funds, they teachers are ultimately responsible to them. The taxes the teachers pay is a tiny minority of the overall funds that pay their own salaries and benefits, so their demands can be summarily disregarded.
As for taking action, I'm already getting involved in the local politics of education. Thanks for playing, you hyper-aggressive, asshole-sucking, clod-hopper.
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Anonymous2007-10-06 19:14
>>20
I am against privatizing the whole education system for one reason: we don't need to give people excuses not to send their children to school.
Any country that raises barriers to education will be out-competed by countries they didn't within a couple decades. This isn't the 1800s anymore; an educated and skilled workforce is critical.
Besides, the public education system in other countries isn't as endemically stupid as the US. I don't know what's going on over there, but it's not because it's public. There are other factors at play.
I support the freedom to send your children to whichever school you please though. If that just happens to be a private school, so be it.
>>23 FAIL. Privatization of school systems has proceeded apace in America, yet NO EXCUSE for not attending has ever surfaced. If you have options, you must still choose one of them and then the child must still attend.
Are you really this dumb naturally, or did you have to work at it?
As for "raising barriers" ... motherfucker, failing public schools are a HUGE barrier! Why didn't you mention THAT?
At any rate, the public schools in America smell like huge fail. Since they refuse to fix themselves (largely due to being unionized labor), they must be forced from outside. That means pulling students and funding out, which is done by various forces.
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Anonymous2007-10-07 3:51
Privatization of school systems has proceeded apace in America, yet NO EXCUSE for not attending has ever surfaced.
Yeah... because public schooling exists.
Since you are having trouble reading I'll point you to the first sentence of >>23. Notice something, Mr. Illiterate Loudmouth? No? Here, let me help you:
"I am against privatizing the whole education system"
Get it?
As for "raising barriers" ... motherfucker, failing public schools are a HUGE barrier!
As opposed to no education at all for those too poor? Do you know why there is a public education system in the first place? Right.
Also, I'm happy to see you think America is the world. What happens in one place obviously is happening everywhere, right?
Are you really this dumb naturally, or did you have to work at it?
Now this is irony.
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Anonymous2007-10-07 9:37
Bullshit (often bowdlerized to BS), also Bullcrap, is a common English expletive. It can also be shortened to just "Bull".
Most commonly, it describes incorrect, misleading, false language and statements. Literally, it describes the feces of a bull. As with many expletives, it can be used as an interjection (or in many other parts of speech) and can carry a wide variety of meanings.
Bullshitting is usually when one makes statements that are false, or made-up. Usually people describe other people's action of making a lot of statements as bullshitting in arguments, when one is making up rules or making examples that are not anything to do with what they are discussing or when one is making statements by using examples that need different rules to be applied, so this person is bullshitting
As it contains the word "shit", the term is sometimes considered foul language, hence the use of the euphemistic abbreviations "bull" and "BS". Nonetheless, the term is prevalent in American English and, as with many words, the term is used in a variety of countries, some dating back to approximately the same era World War I. In British English, bollocks is a comparable expletive, although bullshit is now a commonly used expletive in British English also.
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Anonymous2007-10-07 11:56
>>23 >>24 >>25
Education funding must be related to it's utility which is best decided by consumers who research their options based on a sophisticated market with all the media, financial services and caterring you find in any vital sector of the economy. Because children cannot make mature decisions in a free market they cannot decide which school to go to or how to pay for it. These decisions would have to be made by the state or their guardian, logically the easiest way to do this is to privatise the entire education system and hand out educhecks which parents can only use to decide where to educate their kids.
And you ALLOWED the government to take that money. Thety stole it from you you didn't do shit to take it back therefore it is THEIR money. The government pays the teachers not you therefore the teachers owe their loyalty to to the government not you.
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Anonymous2007-10-07 12:53
>>22 FAG. You don't understand reality at all. The government doesn't own that money, but it sure acts like it does. It took it from the taxpayers, who still have to pay even if they have a children and below average income and prefer to spend that portion of their tax sending their kids to a private school. Since the taxpayers are the source of funds, the teachers are ultimately responsible to them, but the mediary between them consists of politicians and bureaucrats they may never even see face to face so the teachers don't give a shit. The taxes teachers pay comes from wages given to them by taxpayers, so their demands are different from that of the taxpayer.
As for taking action, I'm already heavily involved in tax evasion and the libertarian party. Thanks for playing, you hyper-retarded, schlong slurping, faeces treader.
Privatization of school systems has proceeded apace in America, yet NO EXCUSE for not attending has ever surfaced. Yeah... because public schooling exists.
Are you really this stupid? Students attending non-public schools are held to the same attendance standard. THEREFORE, if the public schools didn't exist at all, truancy standards would still be applied.
"I am against privatizing the whole education system" Get it?
Then we have no problem here whatsoever. As long as the public school system has to compete, then my needs are fulfilled. Now, if the public schools refuse to compete even when competition is kicking their stupid asses, then it might happen that the public schools in that "refusenik" area do collapse. I'm OK with that, since anyone who refuses to change when change is required, must suffer. The assets of the failed school system can just be picked up at pennies on the dollar at auction, and the school system in that area will suffer a temporary setback while it is restructured.
As for "raising barriers" ... motherfucker, failing public schools are a HUGE barrier! As opposed to no education at all for those too poor? Do you know why there is a public education system in the first place? Right.
No one here said that the poor would be kicked out of education. That perverse viewpoint is ONLY coming from your deranged brain.
Also, I'm happy to see you think America is the world. What happens in one place obviously is happening everywhere, right?
Why should I care what Canada or South Africa is doing about their schools? We have our own schools and we well know what to do with them. The barrier is clear: unionized labor is killing public education. I don't need to pay attention to German schools in order to know that.
>>28
Since alternate schools are on the rise, I'd say that so-called loyalty is not going to help them. But keep accepting that deranged model of the status quo in your fevered brain. These loyalist teachers can just wake up unemployed one day. They will be free to apply to the Free Citizens' Schools one day, at huge cuts in pay and benefits. Their cries of anguish will please me GREATLY. After all, it's the fate of all stupid union labor.
>>29
There's not much I can do to debunk that. It's all true, well done.
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Anonymous2007-10-07 22:47
privatize education/
throwing money at government doesn't do anything but waste money
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Anonymous2007-10-08 3:44
privatize privatization
making sense doesn't do anything but waste idiocy
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Anonymous2007-10-08 9:52
Don't vote for anyone unless they support School Choice. Anti-school choice fags would deny parents the right to pull their kids out of failing public schools and send them to efficient, beneficial, and competitive private schools that do a better job of providing a quality education - at a fraction of the cost.
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Anonymous2007-10-08 10:37
Give more funding to Education. School choice only helps to increase the idiot religious zealots in this nation.
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Anonymous2007-10-10 23:11
America spends more than any other country on our school system, but our international test scores are below the national average. Actually, the gap between our children's scores and everybody else's actually grows as the children progress in grades. Wanna know why?
<b>TEACHERS!!!</b>
Our test for certifying teachers is easy enough for a third grader to pass, but the idiots going into teaching average a 60%. It's already proven that the average stupidity level is much higher in people going for a teaching degree than any other degree. Plus we have the accursed teachers' unions that make us keep child molesters on government payroll because it is virtually impossible to fire a teacher from a government school. The libfags and borderline retards(but really, is there a difference between the two?) flock to teaching because they get amazing times, healthcare benefits, and a salary that is much too high.
Let's fire all the incompetent teachers, disband teacher's unions, get rid of the education beaucracy(I can't spell this becuase I'm the product of a government school), and privatize schools once and for all. Right now.
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Anonymous2007-10-11 0:41
FUCK YOU FOR NOT HELPING ME WITH MY PH.D. DISSERTATION OR GIVING ME THE FUCKING MATERIALS I NEED TO COMPLETE MY WORK. HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GET ANYTHING FUCKING DONE WITH YOUR IGNORANCE AND DILLYDALLYING? YOU MADE A PROMISE TO GIVE ME INFORMATION. NOW FOLLOW UP ON IT, FUCKTARDS AND MORONS! THANK YOU.
1. Public education system fails.
2. Public education system costs more money than ever.
3. Liberals conclude that the system needs MOAR money!
The raw truth of it is that Libfags enjoy having the government control things regardless of the consequences. In addition, since public educators are largely unionized, we can see the 2nd pillar supporting the Libfag preferences.
Hence: Liberalism is just a religion. Liberals believe and support certain things not because they are true, but because they AREN'T true.
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Anonymous2007-10-12 4:41
Department of Education needs to go. This retardation of America started around 80s, coincidentally... Department of Education started then.
Essentially, what happens is schools get funding based on grades. - if your students are failing, lower the grading standards. Standard practices in high schools. Get rid of DoE and let teachers choose their own lessons.
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Anonymous2007-10-12 4:44
Department of education chooses the fucking school curricula. The fucking teachers and parents should be doing it.
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Anonymous2007-10-12 16:33
I think the biggest problem, at least in the inner city schools is that a large portion of the funding comes from property taxes. Surprisingly enough, in poor areas, they don't get much property tax (because poor people don't own property). What happens is pretty predictable -- the inner city schools are incapable of educating the kids. They have 10 books for 4 classes of 30 each.
You cannot teach that way, not even if you're the best fucking teacher on the planet. PS, you don't make much more than you would if you'd not even gone to college and had instead worked your way up to managing a Wal-Greens. You can't attract anyone of reasonable skill if they could make more money and have to put up with less bullshit elsewhere. So spare me this "Union" crap. I'll believe that teachers are "overpaid" when I stop hearing about suburban teachers needing foodstamps.
It's crazy, isn't it? We demand teachers have a 4-yr education, and often push them into 6 and 8 years of education ... yet we DON'T GIVE THEM MINIMUM AUTHORITY IN THEIR CLASSROOMS. Are we nuts, or what? Why do we demand such a large standard of education in teachers when we immediately tell them by proxy that they really don't know how (or can't be trusted) to teach the subject in the classroom?
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Anonymous2007-10-14 4:38
>>45
Regardless of whether or not they are overpaid, teachers should have to compete for their jobs and deal with natural market forces like competition just like everyone else does. Schools and their administration should as well. Competition makes things better. It forces companies and enterprises (such as schools) to offer people better deals and better products and services. The solution to our education issues is School Choice, not more funding for education. See video below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA
>>47
I'm trying to sell the viewpoint that competition makes things better once the sector in question is completely locked up with entitlement programs. Teachers demand higher pay and benefits even when their school systems are going down the toilet by several metrics.
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Anonymous2007-10-14 14:46
I blame retarded kids
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Anonymous2007-10-14 15:52
>>49
I blame retarded parents and ice smokers who have kids.
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Anonymous2007-10-15 5:52
I blame lack of School Choice.
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Anonymous2007-10-15 6:22
>>51
Ron Paul would allow parents the freedom to choose which school to send their kids to and tax breaks.