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I'm finally sick of Windows.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-18 6:35

I've decided that Microsoft wants to win the award for "Biggest Asshole" and i'd like to try another OS. I haven't had much experience with other OSs so please help me to decide which one is the best. I just want something that is incredibly capable and versatile that doesn't take me forever to figure out. Please help a noob.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-18 8:33

Linux LiveCDs are a good first stop for newbies, since you can try as many as you want and make absolutely no commitment until you've found the perfect one.

Try these for a start:
BeatrIX (http://www.watsky.net/)
Mepis (http://www.mepis.org/)
Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/)

It's worth pointing out that to get the most out of your operating system with respect to capability and versatility you will have to spend time figuring it out; however the ones I've selected above are all designed with the new user in mind, and are usable immediately by anyone who knows what a mouse is.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 0:47

OK so waht do i do when i think i'm ready for something more advanced?

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 1:16 (sage)

Open the terminal window.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 1:23

I'm looking for serious answers here

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 3:45

No you arn't. You are looking for free research, gtfo and go and use google.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 3:48

>>5
Welcome to the world of Linux, where nobody will answer your questions because you're not 1337 enough.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 6:54 (sage)

>>7

How true...

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 7:13

>>1
Get Gentoo, compile it from scratch using some finger-lickin' CFLAGS like -march=your_processor -m=your_processor -O3 -funroll-loops -falign-double -Wall -s to unleash the MAD POWER.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 8:04 (sage)

lawl

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 8:31

>>1
"I just want something that is incredibly capable and versatile that doesn't take me forever to figure out."

Sounds like a Mac.  Linux sure as hell doesn't fit that description.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 8:47

>>11
Yeah, dragging your CD drive into the trash to eject it sure is intuitive.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 9:42

>>11
sounds like THE FUTURE!

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 9:53

>>12

Eject button, Eject button lol

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 10:00

>>11
Sounds like you haven't got a clue about it. Better start learning  Windows 2000.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-19 20:27

fucking linux geeks fagging everything up.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-20 5:24

>>5
Welcome to the world of Linux, where nobody will answer your questions because you're not 1337 enough.


reposted because no one have yet to answer your question.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-20 6:46

[oracle]You will know when you are ready.[/oracle]

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-20 7:04

>>1
Either get a mac if you've got the dough, or put a bit of effort into learning linux. Suse and Ubuntu are a few of the easy to use distros, with GUI/automatic installation.

For all your advanced linux questions, either check out guides and how-to pages on the linux documentation project http://www.tldp.org/
or ask questions on a linux forum. http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ is pretty good. They have a newbie section which you can search through for answers, or post your own embarassing question. People are generally pretty nice. They also have distro-specific forums for localized problems.

I personally use a mac, since I needed a laptop with good hardware, and a hassle-free interface, but linux is a perfect alternative, especially if you have a desktop already. I recommend giving one of the aforementioned distros a spin. If it doesn't work or suit your tastes, try another one. See if you like KDE or Gnome better (both are now supported by Ubuntu, by the way), and if you still think it's a bit too technical, get a mac.

A word of warning though: if you're into gaming, windows or linux with cedega is still your best bet. Despite the new macs being x86 based, I don't believe Cedega or Wine runs on them.

Good luck exploring this brave and sometimes slightly frustrating new world. In the end, it's still much more relaxing than running windows, most of the time.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-20 12:19

>>19
ZOMG!!!1111 Someone gave a sensible answer!
Stop the press, world4chan has something OTHER than trolls.

Holy shit...

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-20 12:27 (sage)

>>19
>>20
awesome

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-21 14:59

>>21
Word.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-23 1:04

Ubuntu is highly recommended for both its Debian base and release schedule. Also, most of its user base falls under the same predicament as yourself and are willing to provide support rather than a RTFM or "you obviously don't know so why bother". Now MEPIS is another route to take if you need a distribution optimized for i586 (Ubuntu only offers i386 and AMD64/EM64T).

Now as far as how to approach the learning of Linux, I'd suggest first gaining an understanding of the file hierarchy and learning how to navigate it through a terminal emulator (tty) as well as understanding UNIX permissions. Then you should become accustomed to the more useful programs provided by GNU or considered a standard such as touch, watch, ls, top, cat, etc. TuxFiles has an incomplete series of tutorials for just this, it also wouldn't hurt to get ahold of a reference book or two -- no shame in visiting the library or fetching an ebook off a fserve.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-23 1:22

>>19
WITH THE DOUGH YOU BLOW ON A MAC FOR THE WHITE PLASIC SHELL, ROUNDED EDGES AND APPLE LOGO.... YOU CAN GET DOUBLE IF NOT TRIPLE THE MACHINE HARDWARE AND RUN BSD OR LINUX

SINCE MACOS IS SIMPLY A BSD RIPOFF, THE LEAD FREBSD DEVELOPER WAS BOUGHT BY APPLE AND SEATED AS THE DARWIN PROJECT HEAD

STEVE JOBS IS A FUCKTARD JIZZWIPE

BUT YEA, APPLE LAPTOPS ARE GOOD.. HARDWARE-WISE, AND PPC IS A NICE ARCHITECTURE

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-23 22:17

>>19

As far as I know, Wine and (lol) Cedega have mac versions.

And there also windoze emulators for mac.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 3:32

>>25

wine/cedega on ppc mac: no

windows emulator: "virtual pc" exists, runs like total shit (divide the mac's mhz by 5..)

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 5:00

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 6:06

>>27
Those are libraries. Not wine proper.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 10:25

>>28

Wtf do you think wine is?

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 10:42

>>29
A "runtime compatibility layer". Which is certainly nothing like an emulator, nosiree!

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 11:20

WINE means Wine Is aN Emulator.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 11:29 (sage)

>>31
wrong, it means "Wine Is Not an Emulator"

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 12:37 (sage)

>>32

You retard.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 12:50 (sage)

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Name: Anonymous 2006-02-24 17:45

>>29
Man, and you call yourself a geek?

Wine usually refers to the programs and libraries that allow windows executables to run in a different OS (on x86). Darwine is a port of only the libraries, so that developers can compile windows programs on OSX. You can't take an already-built executable and run the thing. It's the wrong CPU architecture!

Now how fucking often do you think some random bozo is going to call up a developer of a windows app, and the developer will say, "I'LL GET RIGHT ON THAT!"?

It seem the Darwine project is now trying to add CPU emulation so you don't need to recompile a program, but since OSX is moving to x86 anyway, I think that's a dead idea.

Name: gave up windows, got hell 2006-02-25 7:06

man i think i just did a big mistake removing winXP and installing zenwalk... it seems to be based on slackware...
 IM CONFUSED! I CANT EVEN INSTALL NVIDIA VIDEO DRIVERS PROPERLY!
ohemgee. Apparently this was more than i could handle....

Name: gave up windows, got hell 2006-02-25 7:19

well after looking in the internet for an hour i know that X is the pretty gui and that somehow i must get to boot without X to install nvidia... Here's my question, Where can I find help for a total ass-whipped-noob on SLACKWARE... omg

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-25 8:16

Could try the Slackware forums. Slack isn't exactly known for being a noob distro. I heard you have to write your own init scripts and everything.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-25 12:18

>>42

You heard entirely wrongly.

Name: BLAAT 2006-03-09 2:50

Better install ubuntu. Best noob distro ever imo. (not only noobs use it lal). They got a great wiki. check that out if you need some further help

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 4:21

Slackware is awesome. It Doesn't Suck (TM), unlike most other distros.

But it's not for a beginner. Stay far away.

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 4:25

>>45
I've asked other slack users about this, and haven't had a satisfactory reply. What is it about it that makes it so great?

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 7:44

>>46
It differs by user, but here's why I favour it (no specific order):

* It's fairly conservative, yet not insanely so. Net result is stability and security without being too far behind the curve. Debian was really cursed in this regard before they sped up their cycles.
* The filesystem layout is default. This has several benefits, like not needing --prefix, software being found where it's normally expected, fewer conflicts due to unusual paths, paths getting uglified if you do a source install, being able to find help on the Internet more easily, etc.
* Related to both above: it doesn't try to reinvent the wheel. Take Debian or SuSE, for example: they do all sorts of strange things to config files. What they do to Apache in particular is a pet peeve of mine, where they both split the file into several (each differently) and do wonky things with them. Thanks, but no.
* Mixing packages and source-compiles doesn't introduce conflicts. I've had problems when I've had to do custom compiles of software on other distros, because most package systems are amazingly stupid when it comes to external software. They're an all-or-nothing deal. Working around them is something I can do without. The drawback with Slackware is it won't protect you from yourself; you'd better know what you're doing.
* Minimalist install with whatever you want on top. There are very few required packages, so it's easy to vary from tens of megabytes to multi-gig. This comes in handy, particularly with older hardware. I've done the whole gamut, and due to the way the init system is set up it scales quite well.
* Nicer init system. Trivial, but there's this.
* Nice install system. Again, trivial, but some distros can't be installed with stdout redirected to a serial port or something equally unusual.

Generally, Slackware doesn't get in my way, while other distributions do. This is the key point.

The problem with most distributions seems to be that they're trying to anticipate and solve problems for me, but they consistently backfire. Instead of KISS they have this Not Invented Here syndrome. This doesn't help.

Anyway, I hope that gives a general idea of where I'm coming from. Slackware isn't perfect, not even close (for example, automated detection of devices is... a bit thin), and it's definitely not for the majority of people (are you an actual sysadmin?), but it is for me.

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 7:48

PS. I don't use slackware for the desktop. I use XP and OSX.

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 7:51

>>47
Mixing packages and source-compiles

The conflicts caused by this is what got me off Slackware.

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 18:26

>>40
you should have partition your HD and run multiple OSes.

Keep XP while trying to tackle a new OS.

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 20:48

>>50

Yeh because buggy unusable NTFS support is ftw amirite?

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 20:49

Has anyone tried http://www.pcbsd.org/ ?

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 21:58

>>49
I'm not certain I follow.

Imagine for a moment that I need a custom compile of some application (X). I do that, yay, all is well. Now let's say I want to add some other software (Y) that depends on X.

With Slackware I install it and I'm good to go. All the other package systems I've dealt with begin screaming at this point. They believe that X isn't installed, and they want to install it. You can't install it, because that'll break your custom X, so you have to force these package systems to ignore the error (permanently).

Realistically I'd just make a package for whatever distro and roll it out, but I can do that in Slackware too. However sometimes it's not worth the effort, or I'm not interested in dragging in the entire X tree as a dependency which is actually optional in compile, and this is where danger will robinson sets in.

Since Slackware, by default, installs applications in a sane location, I don't see how you'd conflict. Just set /usr/local/* before /usr/* in your paths and you're good to go.

Maybe I missed something?

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 23:06

>>It seem the Darwine project is now trying to add CPU emulation so you don't need to recompile a program, but since OSX is moving to x86 anyway, I think that's a dead idea.

Kinda sucks for those of us with PPC Macs and no immediate plans to upgrade.

In any case. If you're sick of Windows, your two realistic alternatives (IMHO) are buying a Mac or installing Ubuntu Linux on your PC. Going with the Mac will cost you, but will be easier to figure out. Despite a couple of minor stupidities, Mac OS X really is quite intuitive, but don't expect absolutely everything to be done exactly the same way as on Windows. A lot of people mistake "user friendliness" with "working exactly the same way as what I used to use".

Ubuntu will be a lot cheaper, since you won't have to buy the OS or a new computer to run it on, but has a bit more of a learning curve. That said, of the Linux distributions you could choose, it has about the best focus on usability, and is based on Debian so it has about the best package management out there. You will need to spend some time figuring it out, but you do with anything new you try. It won't take you terribly long, I can say that much.

There's a few other operating systems around; Plan 9, the BSDs, GNU/Hurd, etc, but Linux in some form and Mac OS X are currently the best options for those new to a non-Windows world.

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-09 23:52

well what i had was windows(ntfs btw) then mepis and fedora core then i had a virtual partition with knoppix xandros and games knoppix

if your gonna go without windows i'd reccomend fedora core or xandros(note my install was useing the freebsd mbr but the fedora core mbr will work as well)

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-10 2:17

www.kanotix.com . You'll have to translate it using babelfish or something, but it's definitley worth it.

This one comes with the power of debian, but the ease of not using command lines for installations (for newbies).

I personally thought it was wonderful. It's based off of Knoppix and comes only as a Live CD, though, once inside, you can permanently install it to your hard drive. It's worth a try.

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-10 3:25

>>56
Yeah Kanotix is pretty nice. I used it to install Gentoo because it was the only decent LiveCD at the time with x86_64 support. I did find that it failed to propery set up my eth0 - gave me a ridiculously low MTU, so I couldn't do shit with the internet until I'd figured out what the problem was and run ifconfig to set it to the standard 1500.

You don't need babelfish for the site btw, there's a language menu :P

Overall Slax is probably my favourite livecd at the moment.

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-10 17:41

OS X

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-10 23:19

wut is the best for porn downloads?

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-11 5:50 (sage)

>>59
Internet Explorer on an unpatched version of XP with no firewall or virus scanner.

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