Animation Appreciation Thread #8

The Sakuga Wiki [JP] - http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/
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Previous threads:
#1 http://dis.4chan.org/read/anime/1291816034 | #2 http://dis.4chan.org/read/anime/1314681601
#3 http://dis.4chan.org/read/anime/1325612276 | #4 http://dis.4chan.org/read/anime/1336754773
#5 http://dis.4chan.org/read/anime/1346337747 | #6 http://dis.4chan.org/read/anime/1349463339
#7 http://dis.4chan.org/read/anime/1350859696 | #8 ...

>>390
It's okay, I guess I was a little defensive.

Though one point I am certain of is
>Takashi Hashimoto and Mitsuo Iso is also wrong.
The web anime style interview with Hashimoto, the interviewer asks him what "school of animation" he would belong to and in the end Hashimoto says:
>大平君テイストもあるし、磯さんテイストもあるし、大張さんテイストもある
>(I) have an Ohira taste, an Iso taste and an Obari taste.
He says he's a mixture of all of them.

I eventually stopped because I realised I needed to rearrange the entire chart because of an interview between Hashimoto and Muraki where they explained that Obari's influence also comes from Itano/Anno.

I was doing this in an Excel spreadsheet manually, the thought of rearranging everything was very daunting so I just gave up.

>>374
1:37's Smile Precure mecha is Obari not Arasan

>>401 I didn't knew about that. interesting
I've only seen a lot of praise for Kakira in his tweets, that's were my guess came from

Ogura wrote that Bahi JD's Apollon keys are published in Animestyle 002
http://animestyle.jp/news/2012/10/31/2798/
So that's why he couldn't get permission to upload them on his tumblr.

I'm too lazy to buy that, hope he can upload them on tumblr soon.

>>403
I think regarding Kakita, they are just good friends that worked together often. He mentioned Kakita several times in the web anime style interview. They both came from the 80s OVA boom so they have a lot of shared background.

>>404 If uploading your genga on web would be so easy, then we would have seen a lot more material.

I don't think he will ever get that permission.
All the genga from tv shows available on the web were scanned from groundworks, magazines or any other kind of published books.

Arasan for president

Obari vice president

http://youtu.be/B1vDaTv4BiI?t=19s

>>409
帰れ

http://youtu.be/3kH80MlGmkE?t=1m11s

http://twitpic.com/bfte5n
http://twitpic.com/bftecy
Akira Amemiya on Robotic Notes #7

>>412
Nice.

will we ever see a sakuga art exhibition?

something like the Proto Anime Cut that was in germany.

>>414
They display art from anime works in small events in Japan many times.
https://twitter.com/honnyaku_blog < this guy often goes to them and takes pictures.

>>377
>Takashi Hashimoto and Mitsuo Iso is also wrong.
No. Ahshimoto ahs talked about Iso several times. Why do you say it's wrong.

And if you can't see Yamashita's influence on Arai you're not just blind but retarded

>>416
read the thread, this gets corrected Anon.

>>385
Oh gosh
I need to visit Japan but so expensive.

Yuusuke Matsuo
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7818/30300w.jpg

>>385
It's the official trailer ??

I dont want to get spoil too much

>>420
It is.

thanks

Okay
I need to take a breath first

Damned Anno!

>>422
It's not too spoiler-filled since it's full of quick action cuts, but it also depends on how much you're willing to be spoiled.

Yeah i saw it anyway
It's so class.
And glad it's hold a lot on the story.

It's not like those american trailers wich put the entire movie there

Toshiyuki Inoue is also a favorite of Kon and Oshii.                    
Inoue's favorite is Kigami.

Oshi said that Inoue is the perfect animator (i wonder if iso heard that phrase)

still no Nijiiro Hotaru rips...

goddammit

is this the new berserk movie?
http://youtu.be/xuvFmU_NqE4?t=59s

>>428
Yeah, it's the conclusion to the Golden Age trilogy.

WOW http://youtu.be/x2Rf5QX7bNc

>>430 i wish this would be some kind of a OVA

The story is random and strange but I liked the anime overall, fun!

Berserk movies , i missed them

They are awesome ?

>>432
It's quite disappointing in terms of animation, too many unnecessary transitions between hand drawn and CGI animation, the CGI rarely works well outside of the large-scale battles. The hand drawn parts themselves aren't too great either.

So, I have a question for you sakuga guys.

What's the contribution of the enshutsu to the final product? I mean, most of the time what I call "direction" in my mind is actually the storyboard. When only one guy does both for an episode it's okay, but when there is a storyboard done by A that is being directed by B, what does B do exactly?
I've read in various places that the episode directors are responsible for the assignment of animators to cuts, the management of music, the handling of the script, and such. But how does that reflect in the episode we watch? It's obvious that if the episode seems great as a whole, it was well directed, but what are the variables the enshutsu influences that can be directly measured in the episode? Storyboard and animation supervision are pretty standalone and can be criticised and enjoyed on their own, but what is the contribution of the episode director, besides making the best use of the resources he has?

>>434
I think you've covered most bases in trying to ask your question.

I remember reading some place that Enshutsu is closer to "Animation Director" in the western sense. Think of the enshutsu as the director on the set of a movie. He tells everyone how the scene will flow, what the actors will do, what emotions to use. The storyboard will often cover a lot of this, but depending on who is interpreting it, you can have a different outcome.

Yeah, but my question is, is the enshutsu's work "palpable" in the same vein an animator, storyboarder, or sakkan's work is? You can pinpoint with a lot of accuracy who was responsible for what in an anime episode, and this is seen explicitly in the final product. But the enshutsu seems more like the person in charge of bringing the most out of all the other's work. The only thing I think they do specifically is direct the music, but even then I've seen a lot of "sound director" credits in anime, on an episodic basis.

I can somewhat tell the enshutsu did his job properly if the episode is good as a whole (voice acting, consistency of dialogue, pacing, etc), but I can't tell WHAT he did to make the episode good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNTVBIiuKYg

AIC in charge of sakuga

Wolf Children
http://youtu.be/8xLji7WsW0w?t=1m18s
Running in the snow = Toshiyuki Inoue

>>438 did you get this info from Bahi JD ?

I remember that he tweeted exactly something like this a while ago.

>>438
>>439
http://bradofarrell.tumblr.com/post/32556157374/bahijd-animator-toshiyuki-inoue

source: bahijd