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Why does most hentai look like crap?

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-04 22:49

Seriously, most hentai looks like it was drawn by a 12 year old. And even if it is well drawn, its animation is either really choppy or the Genitiles are drawn so badly its hard to tell what the fuck they are.

Why is this? Is it just that americans get the shitty hentai?

Is it because most hentai is censored, and must be re-drawn once it gets uncensored and sent to america?

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-05 14:46 (sage)

it's because you have never seen good hentai

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-05 15:33

then give some advice about good hentai

preferrably no tentacles ^_^

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-05 15:38

>>3
How about hentai where the girl actually enjoys it? And with an orgy of hot schoolgirls instead.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-05 18:47

Hentai has limited appeal and therefore an often limited budget. At least humping scenes are generally pretty easy - animate a twelve frame cycle, and just pan slowly across it for ten seconds. Face it, nobody watches hentai for quality artistry, they watch it in order to make knuckle children.

Also, if you think hentai anime has to be redrawn to decensor it for American audiences, kindly leave the building (via a fourth floor window). There is no way on earth hentai has a large enough audience in the US to justify spending tens of thousands of dollars on redrawing animated scenes.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-05 18:52

>>5

I strongly doubt that editing in a penis and vagina would cost tens of thousands of dollars these days

plus there must be an unedited original someplace, what do you think they do, burn the original and only keep the censored version?

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-05 18:58

>>6
Yes, it would. Studios that do digital effects and repainting charge hundreds of dollars per hour. And that sort of thing would be way beyond just putting swimsuits on characters a la Cartoon Network, but complex redrawing and repainting of whole regions of multiple images, which is intricate and time-intensive work. Imagine having to repaint between ten and several hundred frames per scene, for dozens of scenes per episode, and you can see how the cost would skyrocket. It just doesn't happen.

And that was my point to begin with - they don't repaint it because the shows are animated uncensored, then mosaiced for the Japanese audience. The US releases use the uncensored master tapes. Use your loaf, for crying out loud.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-05 19:05

>>6
I beg to differ. Studios that do repainting, alteration and remastering work on video charge hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars per hour. And that would not be simple stuff, like painting swimsuits onto characters a la Cartoon Network (who are pandering to a much wider audience anyway). That would be complicated stuff, requiring many hours of intensive labour. It just doesn't happen. People don't realise how expensive DVD production is already - even a simple telecine (transfer of film to video) might cost $100,000+.

And that was my point in the first place. They make the shows uncensored and only mosaic them for the Japanese audience. The US releases don't have to repaint anything because they use the uncensored master tapes. Read -> understand -> respond.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-06 18:58

Uh..have any of you ever seen hentai? I can name about 4 'good' hentai's that have semi-realistic looking genitalia. Plus, most bad hentai (which is alot) has bad animation, which probly leaves in around 20FPS, without the duplicated scenes and loops i doubt there is much more than 1000-3000 frames of sex per hentai. Now, if any of you havnt seen most hentai penis's they look like this =====D, as flat and usually less shapely than that, hardly any of them have any shading, and the art style is alwase different and less detailed than the rest of the characters. I think re-drawing is a very possible idea since you would only have to redraw the censored parts..which is only part of a thigh and a penis or cunt.

Plus i dont know about any of you, but i cant jerk off or make 'knuckle children' with something that looks so horribly drawn.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-07 14:55

when it comes to porno, people will buy anything; people looking for QUALITY porno are in the minority of buyers.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-08 0:19

>>10 only in the west. When it comes to porn, Japan is superior (compare japanese bondage to western bondage some time if you don't believe me!).

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-08 1:35

>>11
Well I guess art style and creativity, Japan Porn is far superior. But acting wise, I still dun like Jap Porn because the girls are seems to NOT to enjoy it or just lie still.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-08 2:40

Isn't all Japanese porn censored? That instantly knocks it off the superior rating.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-08 12:49

There has to be SOME good quality hentai in Japan.  Like, OAV quality animation comparable to a normal anime series.  Something that captures the detail of a 2D CG image or drawing.  Or the detail of a professional manga artist.  It has to exist.  It must.  I pray to you, hentai God.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-08 16:20

It probly exists, its just that they dont want to give up the rights to the good stuff, so they just dub and sub the bad hentai and bring it over here cause they'll know we'll get it.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-08 17:00

>>14
There is, it's just an extreme minority, just like with anything. The rule's 99% crap. With porno, the percentage gets bigger, because the audience's expectations are lower, because they look down on porn while buying it and jerking off to it, for some silly reason.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-12 10:10

>>14
>>16

I wouldn't say "extreme", but like all things of very good quality, it is in the minority.

Usually the kinds of H that get the full treatment are either based off of extremely successful or popular H-games, like the ubiquitously recommended Bible Black series, or direct OAVs, usually borne on a popular artist, like Urushihara Satoshi's Front Innocent. Other OAVs, like those of what's known as La Blue Girl and Urotsukodouji, evolve over time from a particularly successful series.

There have been no fully H TV series that I know of, though, if what I hear is correct,GONZO's GANTZ has many sex scenes that live up to the rest of the animation there.

>>4

There are many OAVs that feature "regular" sex and romantic situations, but the best examples of such available in the US are already very old, such as in A Heat for All Seasons or the Can Can Bunny games, or that older Angels in the Court OAV.

Otherwise, given that the truly "best" H-animation works are based off of popular games, it usually results that when a "tame" H-game is very popular, it's usually converted into a "Real" Anime TV series or OAV, with the sex either omitted or toned down. Take for example Tsukihime, and now Fate/STAY-NIGHT.

Both games had superlative H, but are getting the full nine yards, with Tsukihime being converted to the somewhat-disappointing Shingetsutan Tsukihime, and Fate/STAY-NIGHT getting a hopefully better treatment soon.

If you want a more extreme example, take To Heart, and Air (I think). To Heart was a tame H-game that was converted to an anime series, and subsequently became more popular than it ever was as a "clean" property.

Which leaves the other, exclusively "Hentai" works to be based on fetish, of which in Japan there is very, very, very ,very much. I mention once more, Bible Black, and its new partner, Discipline.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-14 13:05

>>17
Wow, you didn't mention Kanon. That's unusual for a post of that nature.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-14 22:33

Didn't the studio that made Tenchi Muyo make a hentai oav?

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-15 2:56

>>13

I heard that Japan lifted their censorship law. Many artists will probably continue to censor their art for a while

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-15 7:40

cus most hentai consumers look like crap >>1

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-15 8:00

>>18

Oh right, I forgot to mention Kanon.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-15 11:55

>>20

What about uncensored editions of older anime and manga?

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-15 16:00

>>23

Older hentai > Newer Hentai

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-15 20:53

you know what? why don't they just make 5 minutes of ultra quality
animation and just throw out the story and whatever shallow character developements they might usually put into hentai?

It's obvious people aren't watching this stuff for the story. let's just break it down into the amount of "Fap-Time" involved.

talking about quality, I'd say the uncensored version of Mezzo Forte and the Angel Blade series are pretty hi-quality for hentai

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-16 13:09

>>25

Because that's not what people pay for. They may pay to fap to it in the end, but they won't pay for just 5 minutes of boring sex. If they wanted that, they'd buy REAL porn. People pay for CHARACTER, no matter how cliche or shallow. They pay to see an innocent (or not innocent) girl get gang raped or violated by some tentacled monster or whatever. People don't buy anime porn to have anime pornstars. It's boring.

And hey, all anime character designs look the same. You'd get bored if you just saw people having sex scene after sex scene, simply because hentai artwork isn't the most creative on the block.

And plus, I'm of the impression that 5 minutes of ultra quality animation costs more than 20 minutes of shit animation.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-16 16:23

>>26
Precisely why I blame Bible Black for the poverty in Ethopia.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-17 2:39

>>1

I DON'T KNOW, WHY DOES MOST HENTAI LOOK LIKE CARP?

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-18 0:22

because fish get me off

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-18 6:10

KAWAII BAKA HENTAI NEKO DESU NE NYAN

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-18 14:52

ARE YOU HORNY DESU KA

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-18 19:27

if you want some decent hentai anime, watch beat angel escalayer

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-18 21:45

>>19
dunno, but I have seen a Sasami animation (2:44) floating around emule. I've only managed to get the smaller 3 or so MB version though that uses crappy Realplayer. No complete sources on the 60 MB. Tenchi anals Sasami the splitches all over her face. Anyone who has the hi-res willing to pop it on deadfrog?
lol at the fact Ryoko and Ayeka walk in at the end too.
There's also an Ayeka one. Mine got corrupted so I don't remember what happens in it.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-19 13:07

Short animations are easier to make, especially when it doesn't change scenes or anything.  The Tifa short is awesome, but doesn't change all that much.  Then there are games like Hard Love Life which have high quality animation but limited positions/variety.

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-26 22:11

Because who's fucking looking at the animation?

Name: Anonymous 2005-08-26 22:46

It's because even in Japan, anime porn has such a low budget.

Name: Frostbite 2005-12-08 10:19

>>9
I so, so hate it when a penis looks like that in hentai. 

Honestly, how do you think girls are getting off to it?  I know the number of females watching anime is signifigantly lower than males, but we are out there. 
It's more stimulating to see a realistic penis in action.  I refuse to download anything with below-par animation for that fact alone. 
I'm bi, and I enjoy seeing pussy as much as penis, but generally more time gets spent on female genetalia than male.  It makes no sense to me.

Okay, I'm a loser, but I wasn't aware of the Japanese censorship law.  Which would completely explain the fact that almost all the good hentai has those horrible huge mosiacs.  Hopefully it has been lifted.  I think I could wait a couple of years for the prospect of uncensored hentai.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-08 16:43

>>37
 but generally more time gets spent on female genetalia than male.  It makes no sense to me.

welcome to the market!

Name: Anonymous 2013-10-29 21:58

The censorship law has definitely not been lifted.

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