Interesting behavior from universe

First of all, don't act like you know everything and question my intelligence after i ask. I asked to the professor and even he couldn't really answered me.
You know how matter was in the beginning, that is of course if you accept big bang. All matter existed in isolation, in elementary particle form ( at least for a while) and then proton and electron coming together formed atoms. My question is why? The only fundamental forces between these pair is electrostatic attraction and gravitational attraction. They should have  normally just made a head and collision and annihilate into a neutron. Atomic state is absurdly weird, electrons supposedly spinning around protons? You may claim neutron is more energetic than an atom but clearly not as it is present in atomic nucleus too. I just want speculation, not copied texts from your textbooks

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Also, free neutrons are not stable: half life ~ 15 minutes.
Why is that the case?  It probably involves complicated weak/strong interaction calculations (QFT).

What 4tran said, also, stop being anal about what is taught. You have a choice to accept, deny, and question all things that come into your awareness. So, why the anger? And another thing, science isn't as much concerned with the "WHY"'s as it is the "HOW"'s. That's what religion is for so you don't get stuck on the WHY of things. But, don't be surprised if what you find conflicts with your religiously believed dogma. I actually find it intellectually stimulating when there's a conflict between what is known and what I learn. From this conflict (or resistance) I grow in wisdom; like all things that are resisted.

I only have a very simplistic form of belief.
"Not everything we know is real and not everything that is real is known." Therefore the logical conclusion is that we must always learn.

"When the map doesn't match the ground, change the map."
"Change what you can't love and love what you can't change."
"A fool learns from his own mistakes; a wise-man learns from the mistakes of others."
"The definition of decadence is the belief that pleasure is the opposite of pain; the absence of pain is comfort. The ultimate comfort is death." So, if this is true, would that mean that those that are decadent -finding pleasure in comfort- are finding pleasure in being dead?
"Those that look like death are the most reluctant to die."

The only reason we are having so much conflict with what is said and what is known is because we have forgotten the fundamental basics of rhetoric, logic, grammar, and epistemology (the study of how knowledge works).
Knowledge might be compared to oh-so-many steps along an untraveled path with an equally mysterious destination. Where we are along that path is even a mystery and is the core reason behind most conflicts. If everyone understood this, we could all still be right, but that doesn't mean that we can stop learning or researching to discover things outside of what is known. Knowledge might be also likened to a ageless map, but the ground is constantly shifting therefore the map must be constantly redrawn.

Of course, this is all still a personal opinion and some words of others, but the ideas are becoming more and more logical and impact the practicality of our choices. :)

>>3
you are such an idiot, i am lost for words. if you were just a normal idiot like >>2 i would forgive but oh, how you contradict with yourself...You say everything is possible yet you continue to rely on what so-called wisdom tells you, things that other people are satisfied by. Reality is about our satisfaction about perceptive information and it is naturally there but you should be able to alter it even a little. I am no way religious nor belong to the science religion. I submit to no master and i find my own explanation for this phenomenon i live in

the answer is very simple. we know from simply understanding that atoms around us are capable of existing in this universe that laws of physics allow for electrons to spin around nuclei composed of protons and neutrons under most conditions. As far as why these physical laws exist to allow protons and electrons to exist and interact as they do, there are in fact a number of theories, none of which i am too familiar with, but I'm sure someone else here could enlighten us as to those theories.

Also, protons and electrons colliding alone is not able to form neutrons. You require other subatomic particles.

>>4
And you call ME contradictory?
>>how you contradict with yourself...
>>you continue to rely on what so-called wisdom tells you
>>things that other people are satisfied by.
>>reality is about our satisfaction about perceptive information
>>I am no way religious nor belong to the science religion.
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>>I submit to no master and I find my OWN explanation for this phenomenon I live in.

In other words, you are pissed that I am an artist like you but because we paint with different brushes I am unforgivable?
Interesting.... ^_^'

And there is a master you submit yourself to. It is the master that's been controlling you all this time and you believe yourself so free and masterless that he will be forever be the master of you unless you actually take a look at your own words.

Your master is your own pride; the harbinger of your emotions and knowledge. In religion, he is symbolized as the Devil. This master of yours is called, EGO.
Of course, you already knew about this. Slave. X-}

One thing that I've always been fascinated by is when, because of the math, explanations do not match what is observable or researchable. Like someone who says that what has been observed and researched is now documented, because it is documented and read by a third-party it must now be observed and researched for confirmation and affirmation or declination and potentiality for further observation. Logically, inductive and deductive arguments must all be sought for logic otherwise we accept something like another person's projected self-loathing as fact, when in fact it is the person projecting whose emotional response is a tell-tale sign of their own neurosis. example, >>4. So, >>4 must either withdraw his argument that I am contradictory, or admit that he too his contradictory as evidenced by his own written words. Otherwise, >>4 is merely seen as the fool, coward, and misanthrope; and no one will spend their precious and valuable time with someone who wastes their own and accomplishes nothing. XD AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>7
Dude good luck fighting with anonymous...
And another thing "contradictory" is not necessarily bad. It just is, no need to assign a value to it. If you let the restriction of logic aside for a moment, you will see- though even I can't do that, yet trying

>>8
There is at least one way to set aside logic (to see things as they are) and that is to deceive yourself. Tell yourself that something is there when it is observably not. After a while, you will begin to see evidence of the possibility that it may be true and this will reinforce your self-deception. Also, there is introversion on past events or future possibilities, then there is looking for escape routes anytime something is painful or safety when something is fearful. These things take you out of present-moment awareness and place it in the back ground. All of this leads to one immutable and logical conclusion; it makes you ignorant to the present moments and you will not see anything as it is you will only see things through the veneer of your own self-doubt and you will accuse people of, basically, "being you" in that they commit the same transgressions. So yes, there are ways to see things illogically; however, I have 29+ years experience in this so logic is my new field of study and I am using all I can to practice it diligently. OCD [Obsessive Compulsive Disorder](perfection stemming from Super Ego) comes in handy this way.
"Repetition breeds excellence." Why people think they can try and hide their habits is beyond me; just another self-deception.

This thread makes me cry. When idiots argue, everyone loses.

>>1
multiverse motherfucker do you know it?
a cell in yor brain knows shit that lives inside you
the same way you know shit that you live inside of a bigger entity

I remember a long time ago, I thought,"I'm gonna go there and present my well-thought-out, logical, albeit abstract, take on this." Then I met anon. Anon is a moron, who can't follow a line of reasoning or take a stance solid enough to argue against. What you'll find in your squabblings is that there's no response to an issue regarding any part of personal philosophy. There's a reason science doesn't touch this stuff. It was tried in the Renaissance, and then science said,"fuck this" and never tried it again. Please, stick to solid axiom-theorem systems for the sake of the coherence of the point.

tl;dr: idc about your opinion, i care about science

>>12
well in that case ILOVE YOU TO!

>>9
I already knew but still it is disappointing to see people not getting that one bit. Don't worry it is not your fault, nobody seems to be able to think without the assumption stimulus causes response. My bad for giving you credit
>>11
oh boy...

>>12
I used to routinely post carefully constructed, fact-checked, 1000+ word arguments trying to genuinely educate and enlighten people, if I thought there was a reasonable chance that they weren't simply trolling. Turns out, if they can't form a coherent sentence, let alone a sound argument, odds are they can't read one either. I've been here for years and I have only had one worthwhile debate where I may have actually made a difference.

Now I only lurk here anymore for the same reason I occasionally visit FSTDT.

>>12
Hey Krieger! Long time no talk to. I remember when you did a thread on The Origin of Religion or something like that? How have things been?

:)

>>16
Oh hey! Yea, I remember that. Was like...a year, two years ago? Well, things have been pretty good. Turns out, though, that projects dealing with religion from a scientific viewpoint are considered blasphemous nonsense. Who'd'a thunk?

Well, long story short, because of the problems I mentioned, I really haven't been around much, and when I am around, threads either so bad they aren't worth my trolling or so above me I don't wanna even try. What about you? I vaguely remember you speaking of a project you and someone else were doing regarding some aspect of religion or something; how'd that go?

>>17
Oh that! Yes! Well, Krieger, as we continued doing research and interacting with other people from different religions and faiths we began seeing an underlying continuity with most of them that deviated from what we had originally intended for our project goals. So, now we're compiling the information and we're going to meet up this weekend to finally start asking questions about these continuities to investigate what information we can gather, from whom, and potential possibilities and implications the information may provide us. To me, it feels like I'm unraveling a huge mystery that has yet to be explored so it's really quite exciting! The other researchers that I work with are pretty excited too! They've even started applying some simple techniques to improve themselves and their work habits with great success! It's very exciting! I've only stopped by here once in a while to catch a glimpse of my past; like with the Discordian-style attitudes that I usually come across through interpersonal conversations. You'd think some people would be pretty reserved about their opinions, feelings and beliefs, but really, as we've discovered through numerous interactions, they are aching to put this information into the real world for others to check out for themselves! Well, I'm off to bed now. I hope things start looking up you in the future! Good Luck, Krieger!

Ah, the Lack Lee Rosenburg - Total Orgasm eBook just finished downloading; I'll have to skim through before I nod off. :)
Whoa! The Toshitora Yamashiro - Ninja, Power of the Mind eBook just finished too...maybe I'll just hit the hay before I get too excited and pull another all-nighter, XD.

g'night!

anthropic principle = sufficient to answer all 'why' questions concerning existence.

>>19
Are you serious? Sufficient? Are you sure you're human? Maybe you want to ask yourself what do you really know? Do you know why people rationalize things anyway? It's to fill-in-the-blanks of mysteries so they don't have to go out and find out for real. Laziness. Religion on the other had gives the chance to MOTIVATE people into finding out and after having used the fantasy/reason/belief to motivate themselves they achieve the experience they can now abandon the old in exchange for the new.
1 Corinthians 13:8
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."
1 Corinthians 13:9
"For we know in part and we prophesy in part,"
1 Corinthians 13:10
"but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears."
1 Corinthians 13:11
"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."
1 Corinthians 13:12
"Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."
1 Corinthians 13:13
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
1 Corinthians 14:1
"Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy."
1 Corinthians 14:2
"For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit."

I mean, come on, you don't have to be a friggin philosopher to see the truth of what a person says even if you yourself can draw no personal experiences from it. The things that are sparked are imagination, inspiration, drive to move ahead and achieve the very knowledge that we will have to someday change anyway as all things change with the passing of time.
You don't have to believe what is said from your perspective; believe what another says from THEIR perspective...it's called empathy. It's what makes us considerate towards other people. The logic that is flawed isn't theirs, the only one that needs to change is the only person whom you yourself can change. Whom that person is is up to you to figure out. Most likely the very person you've been ignoring this entire time. Possibly even now. Do you seriously think you're exempt from participating in this life? Oh no, you're already mid-drift down the white waters and you've yet to pull out your ores and use them. Now you can paint me wrong all you like, but if you see me as right; then all I'm doing is charging your fire to motivate you into doing what you already knew you wanted to do in the first place without me even having to tear you down or kick your sorry carcass to see if you're still kickin'. Nope, you know what you need to do, my words are fuel for your fire regardless of what they are or I might mean by them. How are my words right for you? That's something for you to figure out for yourself just as I had to figure them out for myself.
"Hey, what's wrong, Jon?"
"Ah, I had an argument with my girlfriend this morning and I feel like crap. I'm not sure what to do next."
"Do you know what the upside to that statement is?"
"How can there be an upside?"
"You HAVE a girlfriend to argue with."
If I can see the upside with other people, I can see it with myself; if with myself than with other people.
Do you think this works just with making things all rosy? NO! The difference between the rosy and shit is awareness and ignorance. We are ignorant of this process because we are blinded by the pain of shit; but we can accept, affirm, and allow certain pains and mysteries to exist in order to achieve not just the rosy imaginary things in life, but also the rosy experiences as well. Because we have both potentials, why not use both? How can we use these things towards our benefit? What do we really want out of life? It's up to you! I don't know what you're thinking. These are just my own thoughts. Pretty strange if they happen to coincide especially if we've never even met before...don't you think?
Kind of like being passengers on a sinking boat having to do the same escape procedure into a life-raft within the same uncertain ocean, amirite? Oooh, scary. So make believe...it doesn't have to be forever. Once you're through with it, change your mind; hell, it's been your mind to make up and believe or not this entire time. So why wait for others to change for you, change yourself for yourself and allow the agonizing attachment for others to change before you can change to die and begin your grieving process...or continue with what you know. It's your choice; to surrender or not to surrender your painful illusions; to surrender or not to surrender your ambiguous fears of uncertainty and unknowns; to surrender or not to surrender the necessity of compromising your integrity for anyone other than yourself. But never forget, never ignore, never neglect, and never abandon what brings you the utmost happiness in your life. Remember, the devil whispering to you right now, he knows what you are thinking. The Almighty is aware of your pain and suffering, and he wishes so hard that he could change you for a happier and playful you; but he won't go against his own word. The choice is OURS to make because he has granted us this gift until we abuse it; and than from there it can easily be redacted. So whom is holding you back? Whom is the person responsible for your actions? Whom is the only one that can put your body into motion? And who's only ambitions can that motion serve? That is for you to decide, as has been, so it is, so it shall be.

Oh yeah, btw, THE GAME, you just lost. :3

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>>23
Let me guess, it's easy?

>>19
The only way to answer a why question is from a rational-assumptive standpoint; any other explanatory remediation is also a self-deception if you buy into anything more than, "The words stated or written by said source exists or existed." Answering a "why" question is an irrational trap. Why? Because the result is an explanation of what "might" be the case...though evidence is in short supply yet in heavy demand...heavy. The churches "believe" they have found the cure to answer "why" questions logically; and they fail hard. The only thing they have done is promoted imaginative possibilities in order to assist the living in living and moving forward rather than thinking about the past...that's it. And it brings people peace they say...orly? The church can't even cope with other people's ego's let alone the generalized-associative "I am a representative of everyone else" complex...the combination is like diesel and phosphorus on a mass scale cause everyone wants a little action, and their 15 minutes of fame and glory. Who doesn't want to be on the winning side? Why are we the way we are? I don't care cause the answer is a fallacy I refuse to believe as relative or absolute truth. Subjectively, it might make me feel better right now, but later I am in shambles. Objectively, it would behoove me to look for what needs to be done and move in that direction. My purpose in life, according to me, is, "to be, to choose, to move, to change," and that's it. If I accomplish that, I win, every time. And what do other people do?
"I want to make a million dollars by year's end."
What do you think happens to their self-esteem when that year-end comes a knocking? It's like Death looming over you and you feel like there is absolutely nothing you can do. Guess what, it was the outrageous thought of doing a ridiculous amount of work in a preposterously short amount of time. I'm flabbergasted at how often I come across people doing this...with business transactions involving other people...
What do I do? Learn from their mistakes by NOT making them my own. So, how many people make mistakes? All you have to do is observe them and you will find a way to integrate very nicely. The Jews are doing this already and they are nefariously wealthy because nobody ELSE wants to BE a Jew, yet they want the benefits of being a Jew. How ironic that they don't want to learn just because the ideology is in their way...rather, their ego disallows them from treading into foreign territory to make any gain.
"No sacrifice, no victory." Sacrifice your doubt, fear, pain, and ego by using it's energies to move you into a game of risk to move and possibly accomplish a dream. How do you think YOU came into existence? Was it PRE-ORDAINED? Did EVERYONE in the world KNOW that YOU, as you ARE, were about to exist BEFORE you existed??? COME ON!!!! There is a way to realistically utilize all the forms of what makes us human without having to sacrifice anything. What am I saying? Here's a good analogy;
How did the Native Americans back in the day hunt, kill, and utilize the buffalo?
How did the Immigrating Americans back in the day hunt, kill, and utilize the buffalo?
The Native Americans would utilize EVERY single scrap and piece of the buffalo for a purpose, that was and still is their belief.
The Immigrating Americans would hunt for profit (greed) and only take what was necessary to acquire said profit leaving the rest for wolves and coyotes to finish off.
What I'm saying is, I don't want you to do one thing and what's left be a rotting sack of meat; I'm asking you, what are you willing to do in order to utilize EVERY single working process of yourself to accomplish everything you want and need in life?
I can't tell you what to do and expect you to do it and then turn around and be disappointed cause you didn't do what I told you to do...besides, am I doing the same? How could you tell either way? SO, find out for yourself by learning HOW to ask questions, WHO to ask, WHEN to ask, and WHAT to ask. The WHY is the part you will discover...afterwards like a normal human being, having to know WHY beforehand is like trying to predict the future based on ignorance (lack of experience). Understand? Of course not! You won't right now, but later you will...after you DO IT. The moment you deceive yourself into thinking you KNOW without experiencing even a taste; you just deceived yourself. Whether you wish to deceive yourself is of course your choice, but is the epitome of ignorance and foolishness your ultimate goal or is experience-based knowledge and the wise ability to utilize said knowledge your underlying goal? That TOO is YOUR choice to make. Whatever you choose, you will make a choice; know this and you will forever be a self-made individual. Ignore this, and the prior will forever be the fool amidst humans for which you will be known, while forever YOU will be THINKING you are a GOD amidst fools. The irony is uncanny...the moment you think you AREN'T this latter category is the moment you BECOME this category. And yes, this YOU decided. The only way to move from point A to point B is to NOT be where you WANT TO BE with an ambiguous destination in mind.

Damn...after re-reading, there was only a few typos, but even-still; I'm motivated to do something right now and I'm supposed to go to bed right now.... :3
shameless-bump.

Oh yeah...where did I come up with, "To be, to choose, to move, to change?"
What do you think everything in the universe is doing right now?
I also prefer to see this ambiguous goal as erotic considering that I am an erotic being and eroticism is an energy that exists within me...hence the purpose for using eroticism to accomplish the goal of more of the same. It also works with belief, "What you put out you get back," or Karma.
You'd be surprised how much one can learn in one year...if one is willing, able-minded, and able-bodied. If you are looking for a purpose to do something up front, what does it matter if it is legitimate or not? Whatever the reasons, they will change due to experience. Each experience is supposed to ADD to your reasons TO CHOOSE or NOT TO CHOOSE. Accept the givens, create the surplus, create the need, and communicate. You'd be surprised at how much us humans desperately wish to communicate and interact with other human beings...it's hideously desperate...but fun. :3
Also, if you are hung up on self-preservation, that's old-school. In a civilization you have to preserve the rights of those around you so you can be given MORE of the same...understand?
"Do onto others as you would have them do onto you."
-The Golden Rule
Notice that this applies to belief (what you put out you get back.)
So how do you know when a choice is right or wrong?
You want to make the WRONG choice when in a society, and the RIGHT choice when you are surviving in an isolated environment.
So what is right and wrong in this sense?
Right is self-preservation. Wrong is do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
So how is the latter supposed to preserve myself? AH HAH!!! Good question!!!
By allowing another person to survive and perform a task and receive credit; you are expecting more of the same from them. If you do one thing, but expect something else, you will always be disappointed. Possibly, you might get stuck in making the same choice waiting for a different result. This is known as the endless cycle of regret.
Back to making a right and wrong choice.
How is robbing a bank the RIGHT thing to do?
Wait a minute...robbing a bank the right thing to do???
YUP! Robbing a bank is the RIGHT thing to do...according to self-preservation which has no place in a civilized society.
SO, if you think you are doing the right thing, which EGO tells you is right cause it is the KING of your self-preservation trying to self-preserve ITSELF, you will inadvertently devastate yourself and the society you are in. So how does this work?
As you allow others to live, so too are they expected to allow you to do more of the same. Understand?
Doing this is the Wrong thing. But in doing this WRONG thing, good is the result; every time.
The difference in choices is always environment. You wouldn't expect a DOS/WIN binary command to work in a MAC/OS hexadecimal environment would you? So, why are these people making RIGHT choices in a civilized societal environment? Ignorance. They don't know any better, but because they are same species as us we expect one fallacious ideal from them; They should know better because they are human. Hence, our current human condition.

Geez, after all that I forgot to finish the argument with the robbing of banks being RIGHT.
For what purpose does anyone steal money? Survival=>self-preservation. The RIGHT choice.
So, next time you think you are going to do the right thing; do what feels wrong and observe the reaction intently.
You will astonish yourself moment-by-moment. :3

Oh, and good luck, pleasure as comfort is death, decadence is over-indulgence, life is the sum of pain. Sore ja.

:3

Also...when you think you are right in mind and act upon that notion you will perceive yourself as sane and in doing so you will prove to others the antithesis.

THEREFORE!!!

When you think of doing something that feels wrong and act upon that notion you will perceive yourself as insane and in doing so you will prove to others the antithesis.

Sanity is dull; insanity is fun.

Are you a dull person?
Are you making the same choice expecting different results?

I wonder....:3

No.

>>30
...hence your current situation.
That answer dictates the situation you are in. :3
Consideration is the answer that allows for alternative possibilities.
Autofailure...just no skill. :3

btw, those talks about, "God doesn't exist cause he wouldn't allow all the death and rape and sick shit."

That's just autofailure straight from the ghetto. First off, God is ALL-ALLOWING. He allows for what appears to be murder, but is really the CHOICE of murder that he is allowing. He must do so in order for us to do so with other human beings. It does however, have its consequences; retribution. God gave us freedom of choice. Some people express it violently by believing they have none...cause other people some how made them believe that it was so.
Sound familiar?
:3