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does .999999999999.... = 1?

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 4:09

My asshole friend keeps trying to tell me that .9999999... = 1

So, what's your take?

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 4:34

yes

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Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 5:17

when dealing with money, yes... otherwise, no

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 5:33

It's been a while since we had a discussion on this topic. The answer is obviously yes.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 5:47

x = (10x - x) / 9

.99999... * 10 = 9.99999...
9.99999... - .99999... = 9
9 / 9 = 1

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 6:13

$ scifind 999

Title:        does .999999999999....  = 1?
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1217487378
Posted:        Thu Jul 31 08:56:18 2008
Last Post:    Thu Jul 31 11:47:32 2008

Title:        .9999... = 1 :D
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1208828443
Posted:        Tue Apr 22 03:40:43 2008
Last Post:    Thu May  1 07:15:40 2008

Title:        Does 2.9999... equal 3?
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1154949072
Posted:        Mon Aug  7 13:11:12 2006
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Title:        0.9999999... again
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1195586057
Posted:        Tue Nov 20 20:14:17 2007
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Title:        0.999... = 1
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1195298544
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Title:        0.9999999...=1.0
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1191720006
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Title:        0.9999 = 1?
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1188765858
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Title:        PROOF THAT 1=0.9999...
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1183561779
Posted:        Wed Jul  4 17:09:39 2007
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Title:        Proof that .999~=1
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Title:        Proof of 1 Not equal 0.999...
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URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1167117733
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Title:        If 0.999... =1 then -0.999...=0.998
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1156305045
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Title:        0.999999... = 1?
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1148565169
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Last Post:    Tue May  8 15:45:58 2007

Title:        1 = 0.99999~
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1141028447
Posted:        Mon Feb 27 09:20:47 2006
Last Post:    Mon Mar 27 11:47:44 2006

Title:        Does .999... equal 1?
URL:        http://dis.4chan.org/read/sci/1132109472
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Last Post:    Sun Nov 27 16:51:58 2005

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 6:21

Yes, there are several more or less elegant explanations for this. One I find particularly intriguing is based on the notion that on |R (real Numbers), you can always find a number between two numbers, i.e. there exists an y with x < y < z for all x, z with x not equal z. Therefore, if we cannot find an y, x equals z.

Let's just try this out and see what happens:
i) If we try to find a number between 0.999 and 1, our first idea would be to just append another 9 to 0.999, giving 0.9999, which leads us to: 0.999 < 0.9999 < 1, which is correct.
ii) We can do this ad nauseam: Appending one more 9 still fits x < y < z
iii) But 0.999... has infinitely many 9's -- we just can't append more 9's to create a number between it and 1, because 9 is the largest digit we can use in base 10, leading us to the answer to the question whether there is a y for:

0.999... < y < 1; 0.999 != 1

The answer is NO.
As we proposed earlier, this directly leads us to
0.999... = 1



There are countless other proofs, but I find this one especially intriguing, given its non-reliance on actually calculating anything.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 6:38

>>7
Between Unicode ℝ and TeX \mathbb{R} you went with |R?
Though your proof is correct, of course.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 8:58

>>6
If anyone's interested in that script, it's basically http://cairnarvon.rotahall.org/misc/progfind with all instances of ``prog'' replaced with ``sci''.
That way at least something useful came out of this troll.

Name: 4tran 2008-07-31 15:54

SAGE for the 1000th time.  This old meme nevar dies.

>>9
Thanks, I was wondering where it came from.  When you said script, do you mean javascript?

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 20:34

>>10
#!/usr/bin/perl -w

Not likely.

You'll need a Perl interpreter and a command line interface. The guy who wrote it wrote it for Linux, but it should work under other operating systems too.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-31 22:34

sage

Name: 4tran 2008-08-01 0:58

>>11
Thanks; sorry for my oversight.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-18 1:12

9 = 10

Name: RedCream 2008-08-19 5:46

Hay, isn't 1/9 = 0.111... ?

So why isn't it true that 9x(1/9) = 9x(0.111...) = 0.999... = 1 ?

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-19 6:52

>>15

"Hay, isn't 1/9 = 0.111... ?"

So you've answered the problem, by assuming the answer?

You can't just state something equivalent as a fact.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-19 10:55

>>16
I see someone didn't pass elementary school maths.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-19 14:19

>>17
on the contrary, he's seen the problem deeper than the symbols
very sophisticated

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-19 14:46

>>18
What's middle school like nowadays?

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-19 21:54

RedCram, you basically gave that example but with 1/3 instead of 1/9 there is still no difference its still 9 = 10

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-19 23:59

>>19
it's like your mom

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-20 10:20

sage

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-20 10:41

This question keeps popping up because it genuinely trips people up... people that don't read this board.

So why isn't it true that 9x(1/9) = 9x(0.111...) = 0.999... = 1 ?
But it is true.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-20 12:46

This is the only way I've had it explained to me that satisfied all doubt:

.999... = 9/10 + 9/100 + 9/1000 + ... + 9/10^n

Find the sum as n goes from 1 to infinity.

SPOILER: It equals 1.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-20 16:09

>>23
Is it?  OR maybe it is not true.
>>24
Well obviously something is wrong with the argument, because there is no final term, and n will never be infinity.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-20 19:15

>>25
I know /sci/ is close to the lowest common denominator for maths-related boards, but I still didn't expect to find someone who doesn't understand limits.
IHBT.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-21 15:12

>>26
You don't understand limits, or anything else concerning the topic.

Name: Anonymous 2008-09-08 4:39

>>27
NO U

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