this thread fails
metaphisics is a dishonor in Mother Russia
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Anonymous2006-03-14 12:24
The safe sex makespan problem is used in operations research as an example that the cheapest capital cost often leads to dramatic increase in operational time, but that the shortest operational time need not be given by the most expensive capital cost.
M men are each to have safe sex with N women using condoms. Each condom can be used any number of times, but the same side of one condom cannot be exposed to more than one person. Condoms can be re-used any number of times, and more than one can be used simultaneously.
Given M men and N women, the minimum number of condoms C(M,N) required for all the men to have safe sex with all the women is given by:
* C(M,N) = M + N - 2 if both M,N >= 2
* C(M,1) = M
* C(1,N) = N
* C(1,1) = 1
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Anonymous2006-03-14 16:56
You will need a new condom for every new pair of people.
Turning it inside out exposes the Male to the first Womans business.
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Anonymous2006-03-14 18:49
>>9
Condoms can be re-used any number of times, and <b>more than one can be used simultaneously.</b>
Of course math isn't real. It's an idea, a methodology, which is entirely in our heads. Is there a physical thing out there that we can point to and call math? No. Therefore math is not real.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 8:08
It's maths, with an "S", unless you want to sound like a fat American redneck eating greasy hamburgers in an oil smelling route 66 gas station as you watch NASCAR in a small TV.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 8:20
>>20
Actually, as it's just a shortened version of "Mathematics", "Math" is perfectly correct, motherfucker.
Just because you guys don't have a fucking empire anymore doesn't mean it's okay for you guys to whine about everything we do in such a self-righteous manner. Language is a matter of convention, and if we want to say Math, we can damn well go ahead and do it!
Despite having a lot of fuckwits in this country, we also have most of the world's leading academics, and certainly the world's best universities. So go whine to France, they dig that these days.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 9:39
>>21
>we also have most of the world's leading academics
And most of them are foreign.
>world's best universities
if by best you mean the one's with most money.
America after only 50 years or so in the limelight is already going down.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 10:20
SCIIIIEEEEEENNNNNCNCCCCCE!
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Anonymous2006-03-20 11:28
>>we also have most of the world's leading academics
>And most of them are foreign.
So is 99% of the US population, fuckwit.
>>world's best universities
>if by best you mean the one's with most money.
That, and most publication, most academic journals, highest ranking academic publication, biggest names in the business for most domains, most postgraduates, most PhDs produced, most Masters degrees accomplished, etc etc etc
America may be going down economico-politically, and it puts a bit of a strain on academics, but we're still world leaders in academia, despite the (perhaps well deserved) reputation of being arrogant ignorant fuckheads. You've got to remember that there's a distinction between your average beer-luvin' Bob over here and people like John Searle or Noam Chomsky.
Anywho, none of this actually goes against my point. We say Math, you say Maths, who gives a flying fuck?
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Anonymous2006-03-20 13:01
>>24
So what if 99% of the US population is foreign? My point is that the leading academics just transfer from other universities to USA because of the money, but now that USA has tightened up the immigration and the countries have placed incentives so that their brightest won't leave the country, USA is doomed. Who the fuck is John Searle and Naom Chomsky anyway. I don't recall USA giving forth to anyone significant in the scientific world that most people will know or study even in university undergraduate level. We gave you Andrew Wiles. For hundred of years Americans had the chance to solve the problem, but at the end it was a Brit. Fuck America. You were living in caves, eating shit, raping your siblings until Europe colonised and civilised your shitty excuse of a country. Now that we've left, America is going down the shitter yet again. I will enjoy watching America collapse under its own massive religious faggotry.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 13:05
>>24
and US producing more material and other countries is obvious given how big US is. Now if you compare US to whole of Europe, then Europe leads.
"The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).
"Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).
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Anonymous2006-03-20 13:07
So a better measure would be a papers/population. You may have the highest GDP, but you don't have the highest GDP per capita.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 13:31
>>27 >>26 >>25
One again you muppets are evading the argument. The point here is that our use of "Math" instead of "Maths" is perfectly legit. More to the point, who gives a damn. But hey, I'm not the one that started.
Aside from that, >>25 is obviously more of a dumbfuck that your average american, which is ironic. He's as aggressive as a redneck, as ignorant as an alabama farmer (come on, Noam Chomsky? Even my 15 year old niece knows about him), and a irrelevant as most statements made by our current government.
>>26
You really expect a review called "The European Dream" to be unbiased? That said, I think you're right. But we're just talking about UK vs US here, within the context of >>25's war against the expression "Math".
>>27
You could also mention the fact that the USA has a fucking low HDI, which matters more than GDP per capita. It's the sad truth, yes. But once again, this is all very irrelevant to the argument. America sucks on so many fronts, but people like >>25 are just as bad since they play off stereotypes, make uncorrect assumptions, act all bigoted and nationalist and randomly hate people who act differently. Just like the worst americans around. Funny, huh?
>>25: Piece of advice. I wouldn't even bother replying now. You've clearly finished digging your own grave a while back, and have buried yourself twice over.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 13:43
This thread delivers
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Anonymous2006-03-20 13:50
>>29
Indeed, I didn't know some brits could get so insecure over one ruddy letter allegedly "missing" at the end of a word.
This is generally the sort of thread where you get failed matheticians and a few engineers bashing everyone else for doubting that math is one of most important things on earth.
Significant mathematicians produced by Europe > Significant mathematicians produced by America = 0
Fucking owned.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 14:34
SCIIIIEEEEEENNNNNCNCCCCCES
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Anonymous2006-03-20 14:34
Guys, I'll admit I'm pretty stumped when it comes to dealing with someone with the level of stupidity of >>31. I mean, ignoring the arguments presented in the last dozen posts...
Shit man, I thought hicks didn't exist outside of the US, but apparently, one of the british ones got his hand on one of those magic internet boxes.
Hey, guess what language you are speaking and writing right now. It's English, not American. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. America is a british colony as well, so we expect you to speak proper english. Not some hick bastardised version.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 14:39
The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).
The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
LOL AMERICANS ARE SO FUCKING RETARDED
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Anonymous2006-03-20 15:13
tell me something i don't know
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Anonymous2006-03-20 15:18
>>35
America WAS a british colony. Remember that whole war of independence thing? You know, when we kicked your ass with the help of the freaking FRENCH.
English is the new Lingua Franca BECAUSE of america, not despite it. We can write things the way the guys designing our dictionaries say, and there's nothing you can really do about it since:
a) you have no actual metaphysical justification for one version of the language set being "superior to the other" just because of pre-existance. You're not speaking Shakespearean english, are you?
b) You don't have any other means of enforcing it upon us since we'd kick your ass militarily, financially, and academically (at a university level). Ergo don't give me that Rome bullshit, 'cause we ain't in Rome anymore, dickweed.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 16:07
this thread is a dishonor for μαθηματικά and mother russia, stop whining and go solve a millenium prize problem
not if we recall all the foreign students studying at your universities lol.
Also America is STILL a british colony. War of independence is just rubbish.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 17:47
MATH ISN'T REAL IT'S OF THE DEVIL
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Anonymous2006-03-20 17:48
>>40
Have you SEEN the number of asian students in British Universities today?
More to the point, who cares if they're foreign. Point is, they're all spelling (or learning to spell) in american english. Thus they'll spell it "Math".
And I fail to see how you guys being dependent on our money and army for the past 65 years, and in a position where we could make you our 51st state, qualifies as "America still being a British colony". I mean hey guys, all you've got left is a bit of northern island the the freaking Isle of Man!
And apparently you didn't colonize punctuationland either...
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Anonymous2006-03-20 17:55
>>42
actually, most countries around the world spell it "maths" and when they move to america they will still continue to spell it maths.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 18:01
>>43
Proof, motherfucker, proof. I'm talking english speaking countries.
Let's list a few:
UK/Ireland: Maths
USA: Math
Canada: Math
Singapore: Math
Righto, now let's go through non-english speaking countries:
French: Math/Maths. It depends. They say "Maths" in french, but in english they seem to drop the "s" (those I've worked with).
Germany: Every single german I've met spoke good english, and said "Math".
Japan: "Mathu". Close enough, but no S.
Mexico: Math
Ukraine: Math
Russians: Math
Israel: Math
So we're talking 9 for math vs 2 and perhaps half of the third that say maths.
That's for the big guns around. Most developing countries receive crap textbooks from us, and if they learn to say math, they're not putting any S at the end.
So yeah, I'd pretty much say this argument's over...
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Anonymous2006-03-20 18:13
>>44
Actually most french people I know use Maths. I lived in Russia for 4 years and they say Maths. I know people in Germany who say maths. Ukraine being close to Russia would say Maths. Israel is an American state anyway so there is no point counting the jews. And since when was a Singapore an english speaking country. Singapore being a former british colony uses Maths. India being a former british colony uses Maths. China/Tibet uses Maths.
Get your facts straight.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 18:20 (sage)
>>45
The thing I'm more inclined to get straight is that you're making this shit up.
Fucking brits can't just face reality and realize that they're not on top of the world anymore. I mean, the USA's going down, for sure. But you guys are WAY gone, so I think we can take care of the american language on our own now, thanks. It's not like you guys have any copyright over it...
Guess why it's called "English" and not "American".
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Anonymous2006-03-20 18:35
I'm Spanish and I say Maths just to piss Amerikans off.
Actually, I can write in either mode and will use Math when chatting with an American person, Maths when chatting with a British person.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 18:45
>>47
Um, because we originally took it from you, and have now simplified the syntax and changed a few expressions along the way, thus creating a more modern strand of your language which you have chosen not to abide by out of nationalism (and due to the fact that we kicked your ass). It's sorta like wanting to stick to latin when everyone else is speaking italian. Get with the times, or at least stop bitching when we do it our way.
You don't see americans bitching about "armour" or "colour", unless they happen to be as big a dumbfuck as you guys are right now, but I'm not responsible for that.
why don't you guys write apple as "appel". At least try to be consistent.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 19:00
you are all a disgrace to μαθηματικά, gauss would kick your phylosophic asses for such a humanizated thread
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Anonymous2006-03-20 19:06
>>50
If you're purporting that english was a consistent language in the first place, I think you're going to make a LOT of people laugh.
>>51
Wow. I've just realized I can filter astronomical levels of stupidity out of my perception.
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Anonymous2006-03-21 6:25
What I hate about British English is: NASA = Nasa.
So lame.
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Anonymous2006-03-21 6:52
Maths aren't real?We've gone off the subject!
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Anonymous2006-03-21 18:39
>>24 We say Math, you say Maths, who gives a flying fuck?
I do, because Math is wrong.
>>28 we're just talking about UK vs US here
I'm not from the UK, I'm from another European country joining in for the fun. English is not my mother tongue and yet I've managed to speak it better than many Americans.
>>36 Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day
Lol, are these "Creation Scientists"?
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Anonymous2006-03-21 18:46
>>55
You clearly don't know the difference between ad hominem and ad rem. I don't think I even need to respond to yoru arguments as you're pretty full of shit, and I've covered all that already.
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Anonymous2006-03-21 19:06 (sage)
Science & Math is the new News for VIP
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Anonymous2006-03-21 21:28 (sage)
worst thread since astral strings
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Anonymous2006-03-22 0:21
Who's the retard that's using The European Dream copy pasta from News for VIP?
Wow guys. This... this is just pathetic.
But also funny.
>Brit twit
Language is not constant. If we kept language strictly to its original form, we would all be speaking in grunts and hand signals. Likewise, America has developed its own varation of English, and it will most likely be eventually classified as its own language. You cannot influence the usage of the word "math(s)" at this point in time. It is too late. We in America have all grown up using the word math, and we will continue to use the word math until the word either slowly changes into a new word, or until it is forgotten. Trying to force The Queen's English on America is like trying to get France to stop whining about everything.
Language is what the speaker makes of it. New words are added, old words are morphed or forgotten.
I guess you could argue that mathematics isn't real from a valid stand point. Since all math is based upon the axioms and we say the axioms are assumed to be true, then all of math is based upon the assumption that we are right.
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Anonymous2006-04-08 3:48
the assumption is that our perceptions are consistent.
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Anonymous2006-04-08 5:31
Certain things are made up, but other things aren't.
For example, a circle is 360 degrees. 360 degrees is just an arbitrary standard that was decided on. Why they chose 360 instead of 100, I don't know.
But on the other hand, pi is not made up. If you divide the circumference of a circle by its diameter (or 2 * the radius), you will ALWAYS recieve the number 'pi', which also appears in many other equations in mathmatics.
I read something yesterday that applies to this. Plato, ancient Greek philosopher, theorized that " mathematics is not created but discovered in some undescribed realm."
I agree with this, but also acknowledge that certain aspects of math (like the 360 degrees thing) are subject to interpretation.
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Anonymous2006-04-08 9:15
Why they chose 360 instead of 100, I don't know.
Practical reasons; 360 is highly composite.
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Anonymous2006-04-08 9:26
>>85
Yeah, you're right.
That never occured to me.
i beleive you are referring to plato's world of 'mathematical forms', where all mathematical ideas and concepts have a seperate, distinct identity and existence.
a lot of distinct factors. that way you can subdivide into more varied ratios.
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Anonymous2006-04-09 14:58
>>85
Yes but I *REALLY* don't mind using decimals if I get a decimal system. 360 degrees, 60 minutes and 60 seconds is the most retarded thing ever. I'd propose 1 degree. Then you normally use cdeg and mdeg.