With the little stir created with that US Muslim woman, a thought popped into my head...
Yes, like most religions, Christianity is fundamentally peaceful. I know that much.
What is it about the Jewish nations and peoples hating Muslims in general so much?
Christians accept Muhammad as a prophet, but Muhammad was the LAST prophet, so he deserves more attention and stuff, so it can't just be the Muslim-following aspect.
Is it just that they associate Muslims with the Middle Eastern world? Or maybe still just something passed down ever since the Crusades?
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Anonymous2012-08-18 7:13
People believe that they can achieve a strong sense of self-identify by belonging to a group and then hating others not in that group.
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Anonymous2012-08-18 10:59
>>2
Also, the Soviet Union collapsed.
The west (and in particular the USA) is oh-so-not based on (often irrational) fear of the not-us, and so we need a new, large group to hate and fear.
Cue someone with a big green book…
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Anonymous2012-08-18 13:52
>>3
I don't see why you mention the West specifically, all nations take part of this kind of behaviour. Name me a country where there isn't a large chunk of the population who speaks of the "evils" of foreigners. Every country has their xenophobes who are desperate to belong to something bigger than their worthless lives, so they try to give themselves worth by identifying as a "patriot" of their chosen country.
Of course, the group wouldn't mean anything if they let everyone in so they must exclude outsiders and assigning blame to them just helps things along. It's ridiculous because, for example, any two random American and Russian has no actual reason to dislike each other, neither has ever done anything to personally harm the other but xenophobia demands an ever present enemy to bind everyone in the group together.
What's even more ridiculous is that all xenophobes can't all be correct in thinking that all foreigners are evil. If anyone actually thought about that for a second they'd begin to doubt their motivation.
There are so many examples of this kind of strife because people are terribly insecure.
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Anonymous2012-08-18 17:56
>Yes, like most religions, Christianity is fundamentally peaceful.
Speaking as a Christian, neither of these are really true. All religions can be used to fuel war and violence. And if you're arguing that the "true" teaching of Christianity are peaceful, that's debated by Christians - we have significantly different concepts of "true Christianity".
Similar things are true of most religions. They aren't fundamentally peaceful or fundamentally violent. Just sometimes one or the other.
>peoples hating Muslims in general
I don't think most people really "hate" them. Perhaps we dislike them because they (traditionally) disagree with many of our social principles (law, religion, government, et cetera). I dislike academic socialists more than Muslims.
>Christians accept Muhammad as a prophet
A false prophet that tried to lead people away from God.
>Is it just that they associate Muslims with the Middle Eastern world?
Partially true, and that association is partially justified.
>something passed down ever since the Crusades?
Not likely, in the past 800 years, we've fought hundreds of wars, given how we seem willing to forgive Germany for 1940, I don't think that will matter much.
>Jewish nations and peoples hating Muslims
Some Jews are Zionists, and consider Israel to be their God-given land. The Muslims are thus unclean, anti-God Barbarians. It's now Jews specifically, only some political groups.
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Anonymous2012-08-18 18:09
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>What is it about the Jewish nations and peoples hating Muslims in general so much?
Do you pretend to be ignorant or do you want the full list? Muslims earn that hate.
>Christians accept Muhammad as a prophet, but Muhammad was the LAST prophet
No and we both know that.
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Anonymous2012-08-18 18:24
Let see.
Muslims seem to come into conflict with just about every non-Muslim culture they come across just as soon as they have enough of a population in said nations to begin jihad.
Muslims treat non-Muslims like third class citizens when they can control the nation they live in.
Muslims persecute non-Muslims relentlessly until they convert.
Muslims deny equal treatment under the law to non-Muslims. They actually have this in writing in most Muslim nations as mandated by the Koran.
Muslim persecute gays not that we care and
Muslims deny women basic human rights.
Jihad, terrorism and their constant war mongering because everything provokes them no matter what.
Muslim constantly lie to non-Muslims.
Muslims murder people for their opinions and criticism of their dark age religion.
People don't hate Muslims, Muslims fucking hate everything they can't rape or kill.
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Anonymous2012-08-18 18:54
Muslims seem to come into conflict with just about every non-Muslim culture they come across just as soon as they have enough of a population in said nations to begin jihad.
Long-bearded Salafi scum usually will, but you can't consider them true Muslims anyway. It's also interesting to note that the Salafi sect was sponsored by the British colonial masters.
Muslims treat non-Muslims like third class citizens when they can control the nation they live in.
Another thing of interest is that the CIA-backed, so-called "Arab Spring" made that whole situation worse, even created it by toppling secular, progressive regimes like in Libya. Islamists/fundamentalists are a useful tool of the West because these stone-age donkeys are easier to control and rather cause chaos and instability than a united Arab world.
Muslims persecute non-Muslims relentlessly until they convert.
Again, this usually applies to the Salafi scum, which can't be seriously considered a Muslim sect, rather than a misguided colonial creation.
Muslims deny equal treatment under the law to non-Muslims. They actually have this in writing in most Muslim nations as mandated by the Koran.
Libya did and Syria (still) does provide equal rights for people of any religion, interestingly another target of the Wests and the Zionist's interests.
Muslim persecute gays not that we care and
Muslims deny women basic human rights.
A lot of Christian majority countries in more "conservative" areas in Africa still persecute homosexuality. Also, the Western Christian moral construct still has enough influence to condemn and deem paedophilia as wrong and as a mere thoughtcrime, not to mention sexual relationships with children.
Women's rights are well-respected in secular regimes, which the the West, again, seeks to topple in order to create chaos and anarchy to weaken the Middle East.
Jihad, terrorism and their constant war mongering because everything provokes them no matter what.
The only war-mongering I see here is that of al-CIAda, Salafi colonial sect and some other literal fundamentalists. Also, the aggressions against the Arab nation of Iraq, the continuing occupation of the Palestinian land and the colonial war in Afghanistan.
Muslim constantly lie to non-Muslims.
This is not related to Islam or religion for that matter. Humans will always lie. Want to get more specific about that?
Muslims murder people for their opinions and criticism of their dark age religion.
Again, fundamentalists and Salafi colonial cult followers which don't even closely constitute a majority of big picture of all Muslims.
People don't hate Muslims, Muslims fucking hate everything they can't rape or kill.
I know a lot of integrated Muslim people living in Western countries, keeping their religius traditions while speaking the language of that Western country perfectly, and paying their taxes, being a productive part of society.
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Short summary: To better control a population, first phuxx0r their education and dumb them down. The dumber, the better.
In Islam's case, Osama bin-Goldstein was particularly useful. Note how he was only officially …retired _after_ his heirs had gathered sufficient momentum.
And yes, the designated role for the Muslims nowadays, is to be scarecrows for the West. And if some of them can be dangerous for real, then so much the better; the best Reichstag Fires are those you don't have to light yourself.
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Anonymous2012-08-19 9:27
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When «everyone does it», it's pervasive.
When some sort of authority¹ keeps waving scarecrows at you, to deliberately _make_ you hate and fear the «foreign devils», it's systemic.
The difference being when it goes from simply being a way to build an identity («we» being the «not them») and starts looking too much like thought control.
Not to mention how identity building mechanisms really don't need fear or hate of the «not us»; simply building stereotypes goes a long way.
¹ Contrary to popular superstition, not all authority is held by government. This is where things like religious demagogues and privately-owned big media come in, placing _huge_ amounts of power well outside the last shred of (even potential) democratic control, or even insight.
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Anonymous2012-08-19 15:42
>Another thing of interest is that the CIA-backed, so-called "Arab Spring"
Ah yes...the old "CIA controls everything" blame game. Stopped reading after that. The American Left loved the Arab Spring. The American Media suddenly don't want to talk about this now that they've seen what really happened over there.
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Anonymous2012-08-19 15:51
>Osama bin-Goldstein was particularly
Yeah....I'm going to assume you're retarded and not bother touching the fact you made that statement. You discredit yourself a bit too intentionally.
>designated role for the Muslims nowadays, is to be scarecrows for the West
Lets ignore the constant war-mongering against the West, terrorism and the crazy hate they have for non-Muslims, Jews, women, gays and their critics.
Scarecrows don't generally wear bomb vests or fly planes into buildings in case you didn't notice.
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Anonymous2012-08-19 15:58
>>8
>I know a lot of integrated Muslim people living in Western countries, keeping their
Naturally, until they have the numbers to start jihad. Then it all turns to shit thanks to Islam. South Asian nations are a perfect example of this.
The rest of your post was mindless gibberish so you clearly have never had anything to do with real Muslims.
This just confirms how Muslims only become "real Muslims" in your world if they act stereotypically and call for hate and jihad. Same for the "evil Jews", forming the "criminal nation".
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Anonymous2012-08-19 17:55
>This just confirms how Muslims only become "real Muslims" in your world
Sorry, bro. They have been doing this for 1400 years. I'm sure that most Muslims are normal people. However, the politics and culture of the religion is a fucking walking atrocity of hate and self destruction. This is something that they don't hide in Muslim nations. They don't hide it at all in their media.
It's a bit different from hidden ninja Jews controlling the world from the shadows. I can easily cite various parts of the world where Islamic extremism has become the norm. It's a bit overwhelming. Jews have a single tiny nation that will most likely be genocide by Muslims in the next 10 years. Muslims are bring back the dark ages at a frightening pace across the globe.
The problems you are mentioning is not Islam, but Muslims that justify their misguidance with religion. You cannot blame a holy book for the wrong doings of humans in any way.
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Anonymous2012-08-19 21:39
>>18
That is half true. There is a lot of cultural problems that are created by the fact that Islam creates opportunities and outlets for behaviors that would normally be condemned.
The fact that basic human rights are denied purely on the merit of religious law, which is enforced by Islamic governments as the only Law, speaks by itself. The secular elements of Islamic culture are being exterminated one nation at a time.
Remember that Saudi newspaper columnist that was deported to Saudi Arabia so that they can execute him for criticizing the religious insanity over there? Yeah, it's kinda like that.
I'm not saying Muslims can't be good people. I'm saying the politics and religious culture is broken by retarded paradoxes born by that religion. People should die because they criticized a 1400 year old child rapist that traded in slavery and worse.
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Anonymous2012-08-19 22:56
>>19
The Saud Yahudi gang is a colonial creation and only serves the US's and UK's neo-coloniam ambitions.
And there is a huge difference between criticizing something and insulting and discrediting the prophet Muhammad as "child rapist", though I agree that death penalty and Sharia as main source of legislation are definitely unfitting. There should be mutual respect between all religions and the extremists on every side should be punished; just look at the terrorists in Syria and Libya.
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Anonymous2012-08-19 22:59
Egypt, Tunisia, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Yahudi Arabia, Libya.... the cancer is everywhere and it is spreading. The time for a revival of Arab nationalism in close coorporation and good relations with Iran has come, the Islamists will bring about doom and are worse than any external enemy.
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Anonymous2012-08-20 8:11
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Where exactly does it say that scarecrows are somehow forbidden to be dangerous for real?
The ACTUAL job description is to LOOK dangerous. It says nothing about actually being harmless. So if that gun in his hand just so happens to be real, then all that's happening is that you don't have to tax your imagination too hard.
Or are you saying there are several 9/11-type incidents happening on US soil every week and the gummint just ain't telling us? That there are tens of thousands of Americans dying every day -inside the USA, no less- ever since the actual 9/11, over a decade ago?
Rather than just that one, plus three spectacular ones elsewhere, and everything else being done to US soldiers, in countries that the US is occupying?
Ah, I see. There are fresh white corpses just strewn around us by the million, or something? Oh wait, there ain't. Four spectacular terrorist strikes in over a decade (not counting last July, that one's a Christian), of which precisely ONE has been on US soil, much less American.
That _really_ doesn't tell you anything?
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Anonymous2012-08-20 17:54
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Except it's true. Mohammed married an eight-year-old girl and raped her. Mohammed was a pedophile and a child rapist.
This is documented objective truth. If his followers find this repugnant, perhaps they should choose a religion founded on a little less rape and pedophilia.
I don't see anything particularly wrong with marrying a young girl, as these were way different times. Also, doing sexual things with an 8-year old does not constitute rape if it is consensual, well, at least not if you try to think freely and in this case reject a wrong law. Then again, I'm not a Muslim, and me being a paedophile is actually the main reason for it because it isn't accepted in any of the large monotheistic religions.
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Anonymous2012-08-20 20:21
>>24
Yeah. You're just a pro-Muslim pedo who hates Jews. Definitely not what we'd expect from a Muslim who hates Jews and fucks children.
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Anonymous2012-08-20 20:25
>>25
Actually, no. I believe in God, but I'm too much delighted by living a life free of strict religious rules and laws, which will probably land me in hell anyway. When did I ever say that I hated Jews? That would be the Jewspiracy troll all along. Zionists don't equal Jews.
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Anonymous2012-08-20 22:53
>>25
Please don't make the same mistake the Jewish conspiracy guy(s) make and assume everyone is either one thing or another for disagreeing with him. We don't need that kind of characterization creep.