Ultracapitalism

So we won the cold war and the world is hurtling towards a global capitalist hegemony.

What should we do with all the matter and energy in the universe?

Package and sell it!
Anyone without money can go fuck themselves!

...And then tax the hell out of it!

Make sure to aim those taxes at the middle Class!

and the poor dont forget to kill the poor!

I'm just saying, for all it's flaws,
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The differences in spending power due to circumstance.
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The corporatist influence on government.
the world would still be a better place with global capitalism because the economy would at least be united. We will be capable of things we never thought possible, with all these multi-nationals trying to milk technology for all it's worth, if anything is feasible it will inevitably end up in R&D and they will quickly find uses for it and with all the world's resources at their disposal resource intensive activities like mining the moon or building giant solar farms in nevada will be all that much closer to becoming reality.

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What a sweet idealist you are.
Unfortunately, GMO's, rampant pollution, and oppresion will catch up with us all before you utopia gets a chance.
(and: mining the moon? really? you think we should fuck with that?)

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How can I be an idealist if I have weighed both the advantages and drawbacks of capitalism?

GMOs: boo hoo
pollution: Capitalism is about property rights, whoever owns whatever is getting polluted can press charges.
oppression: People only hear more about oppression in capitalist countries because capitalism quantifies the wealth and power of the elite and facilitates free speech, mobility and trade thereby making it more difficult for the elite to hide their corrupt activities. You can blame the messenger if you want, I will thank him for warning me about the behaviour of statists.

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So, okay with mining the moon, eh? No worries about the effects on the tides, or throwing it's orbit off, or anything like that, huh?

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Whoever owns whatever? How about our bodies, or our kids bodies, huh?

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>global capitalism
There is no such thing, nations exist and will always exist, nations seek their own interests. Globalism has always been the means to impoverish and weaken the west, so as we might make better slaves to international sorts.

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You can't press charges against a government agency which permits a politically favored corporation to pollute your land.

That's what "regulations" are all about, outlawing competition and protecting businesses.

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durr you are an idiot.
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Liberal logic = complain about something utterly irrelevant.

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Typical conservative argument: dismiss salient without response because there IS no logical response.

salient *point

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>>dismiss salient without response because there IS no logical response.

That's also called politics :p

I'll tell you what we should do: read Accelerando by Charles Stross (great guy by the way, try and see if you can meet up if you ever go to Edinburgh). Ultra-capitalism will collapse upon itself due to finite resources. That isn't to say that it isn't a good solution on the way to post a post-scarcity civilisation but it does rely on a perfectly rational consumer base which I think is unrealistic.

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Sounds like a good book. I'll have a look when I manage.

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Sounds like commie fantasies. "capitalism" is a word invented and used by communists.
The free market is simply the free peoples of the nation trading among each other.

Finite resources are irrelevant, everything is finite except wealth.

Funny how liberals complain about "conservatism" they start by making an utterly irrelevant claim that capitalism "relies" on some such thing, and then proceeds to base their entire argument around it.

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What point? The moon falling apart? That's fiction, not reality.

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We couldn't accomplish this even if we wanted to.
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That's a textbook strawman argument, I said "whoever owns whatever is getting polluted".
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There will always be corruption but you can identify corruption and take measures to get rid of it. I guess my argument is to amend the general public's strategy of making sure the government does what it is intended to do.
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Capitalism has just adapted to technological development and economic growth, it could easily adapt to a stagnant economy, instead of buying shares to sell them later when they have increased, shares would be bought for equity and dividends. Also the technological singularity won't happen, people confuse cause and effect, the relevance of events in history and natural history are influenced by people's use of the logarithmic scale in categorizing time periods.

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differentfag here, I don't think you can get rid of the corruption as fast as it accumulates. America is incredibly corrupt and the bureaucracy is so obtuse to the complaints and needs of those that use its services that its intolerable. It can take up to 3 months to make repairs to a school building.

It's so incredibly hard to hold them accountable because all you can really do is protest and write your congressman, and that won't do shit. MAYBE if the entire population was politically aware and active. By which I mean, if there is an unsavoury policy everyone stops paying taxes at once. Then yeah, I can see the government complying to voter demands for it to be reasonable. Otherwise they just kind of slink around accountability as much as they can.

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>if there is an unsavoury policy everyone stops paying taxes at once.


It's funny you should mention that. I believe this to be the best form of revolution in modern days. BUT it also means that you need to have your money away from the banks, otherwise it can be seized. Saying this, not putting money in the bank is too a very good way of fighting the system, or not feeding it rather. Personaly I see bank savings as using your money to be another man's burden for profit. I don't want my savings used to be lent to some poor guy who wiil lose his job and his house to be taken away for a portion of the market price - all for a fat banker to become more rich. Instead I'd rather lend excess money myself to someone I trust and I know will return them in time (microloaning).

I see the globalized economy as an economic world war against everyone. Well, I don't want to be funding my enemies, I rather fund my allies.

Your money is your vote. Some people have more votes than others but in the end of the day, it is these votes (money) that actually form policies. We need to become aware of this and 'vote'(spend) consciously.

This in my opinion is ultracapitalism. I don't like it but if we're going to play this game we need to know the rules.

Although I suspect the rules will change once the 'elite' realizes we have found out how it works.

PS. Boycotting is a very undermined 'weapon'.

*bump* for quality

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