>>28
"You would realise people who claim to be libertarian but don't adhere to fundamental libertarian principles such as free speech and represetantive government then they are not libertarians."
Then there has either never been a libertarian state (no universal suffrage in post slavery west) or society or libertarianism is not enough no safeguard against tyranny (democracies with free spech and representative government have created dictatorships). I can give detailed examples if that is what you wish. Give examples of when there has been libertarianism that has not at the same time been imperialistic to refute me, empty rethoric does not convince me. Or do you mean that libertarianism only concerns itself with the rights of humans within the borders or with an arbitrary citizenship?
"The principles of free speech and representative government cannot be used by a tyrant to get into power."
Well, i cant say anything about what these o or dont do as principles, but as institutions free speech and representative government is clearly not enough to safeguard against tyrannical takeover. Germany and Hitler somebody?
"I think someone who believes Marx invented justice gives me enough reason to tell them to gb2 North Korea. Don't you?"
I am not responible for what you believe. I never claimed that Marx invented justice. I claimed that it is a marxist idea, as in ideal or current. Language barrier i guess. I claimed this in response to the oversimplified interpretation of marxism that people including you are responsible for. Marxism is a humanism, ie it sets the experience of humans before abstract principles. If people starve, that is wrong and it should end, with any means necessary. If this tramples somebodys right of ownership or whathaveyou, that is a minor sacrifice for a greater good (less starvation). The libertarian believes that somebodys property is more sacred than a somebodys elses life, and that one can never take the prior to save the latter, and i as a humanist find this revolting.
"Libertarian ideas are not part of a complex political movement, their only purpose is to eliminate and prevent tyranny."
Your definition of tyranny is narrow and biased, and libertarianism is at least inspired by liberalism, so whatever if you want it to or not its part of a idiological family. You did not invent the wheel.
>>29
"A war to neutralise the tyrannic forces.
Declarations of core human rights and liberties as a safeguard against further tyranny.
Representative government that sees to the needs of the free."
The war is the revolution, when the working class throws the tyrannic boss of its back. Before this, the latter is as relevant as free spech in nazi germany or a slave plantation. Its not a priority.
"One of the basic principles of libertarianism is that no one can be trusted with too much power and if someone has to have that power they must be subject to criticism and under the rule of law like everyone else."
Well, libertarianism did not invent this either. E g its a basic principle in trotskyism, anarchocommunism, syndicalism etc also.
"The 2 are unrelated, safeguards against tyranny only prevent tyranny, they don't ensure equality."
And thats why libertarianism is irrelevant in almost all western countries. They have free speech. They have representative government. The safeguards are there. The battle is won. Being a libertarian in the US is like being a anti-nazi in Israel, be it if you want but its not the current most pressing issue. People still starve though, even in the US. So the issue of equality is still relevant.
"He was essentially said "If dictators were nice to people instead of being big meanies the world would be a better place.""
He never said even remotly like this, at least not in anything i have read. Care to post a source?
Lol at commies claim liberty is evil. Its like the twenties when commies were accused of poisoning wells and killing babies etc. That reminds me, how many libertarians have been illegaly harrased and persecuted (similiar mcartyism and COINTELPRO) in the US? I mean, how scared is the establishment of this science to elliminate state funded health care?