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Libertarian ideas are not part of a complex political movement, their only purpose is to eliminate and prevent tyranny. As long as you continue to abide by the principles of liberty and justice you can be communist, socialist or stalinist for all I care.
Just because services are provided by the state it doesn't necessarily mean they are of high quality or that you don't have to pay for it.
As seen in the russian revolution all talk of representing the people was rapidly declared a plot by the capitalist boogeymen and stamped out, violently. They got away with this not only by paranoia and ignorance, but by claiming that communism would do what the people want anyway and that a dictatorship of the "proletariat" isn't worth risking your life against, after all that's what the boogeymen want.
Democracy has withstood totalitarianism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/world_war_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cold_war
Democracies are the least corrupt on the planet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
The Romans hardly valued liberty at all, that's completely absurd.
"As i have pointed out has democracy been used as tool for tyranny far more times than communism."
How can rule by the people be used as a tool for rule by 1 tyrant?
"The slaves need to be freed before they need the right to vote."
How can slaves vote? This is getting ridiculous.
"Each life wasted by war, famine or poverty is a unforgivable crime."
That idea has been around for 1000s of years. It's called justice. If you think Marx invented justice gb2 north korea.