The nation made the people such ugly man by a thorough brainwash education.
If they do not like it even a little, they throw stones out at once. And, they never confess to own crime.
It is absolutely impossible to hold the Olympics of course.
Because the retaliation of throwing a stone waits in the player and the spectator in the other party country when China is defeated at the game.
HI. I AM A JAPANESE. ACTUALLY, I ADMIRE THAT WE HAD INHUMANISTIC ACT IN THE WW2. THIS WAS CRITICALLY TOLD AS OFFICIAL JAPANESE HISTORY EDUCATION. BUT, I THINK JAPAN HAD ALSO COMPENSATING FOR MORE THAN A HALF CENTURY. WE HELPED CHINA AND KOREA AT TECHNOLOGY AND ECONOMY. WE HELPED THEM "MORE THAN 3 TORRION YEN (0.26 TORRION US)" WITH MY BLOODY TAXATION.
THIS JAPANESE COMPENSATION AND ECONOMICAL SALVATION WERE NEVER TOLD IN CHINESE AND KOREAN PEOPLE. BECAUSE, THIS MEANS A LOT OF SHAME FOR THEM. ( I ALSO THINK MONEY CAN NEVER COMPENSATE ANYTHING, HOWEVER..)
ALSO, CINA NEVER ADMIRE ABOUT THEIR OWN MISTAKES SUCH AS VETNAM AND TIBET. THEY KILLED AND RAPED INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH PLEASURE.
SO, I CONCLUDE THIS INCIDENT AS SCAPE GOAT FOR FRUSTRATION AGAINST IDENTITY OF CHINESE PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT AS LONG AS THEY THINK THEIR IDENTITY AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE (NOT NECESSARY JAPANESE, COULD BE AMERICAN), THEY SHALL BE FACIST AND RACIST FOREVER.
IF CHINESE PEOPLE HAVE PRIDE, THEY SHOULD THINK THEIR IDENTITY ORIGINATED FROM THIER OWN INDEPENDENT CULTURE AND NOT FROM ANY SCAPE GOAT.
INDEED, I RESPECT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY AND STRENGH OF CHINESE AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS.
DOES ANYONE THINK I AM FACIST/RACIST/NATIONALIST?
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KEN TAKAHASHI2005-04-17 6:34
Sorry, I again want to tell.
I read those low-humanity comments from Japanese losers.
I feel that they also have racism/nationalism.
Even if someone criticize on nationality, this is clearly immoral to give it back with same reason.
This is about fairness. A great western philosophier Immanuel Kant said. " Never use other people merely as means of YOUR OWN END".
SO, FUCK YOU BOTH!!!
The most important thing is that "WE SHOULD SEE THE FACTS ON NEUTRAL SIDE."
...(I was believing that Japanese people were more mature than those people who beat other people for their own pleasure..)
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Anonymous2005-04-17 10:25
The crowd throngs, and damage in a Taiwanese enterprise. Cantonese ministry in China!! http//www.excite.co.jp/...
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Anonymous2005-04-17 10:41
Demonstrators in China become mobs and it rages.
The photograph below is a site where the Chinese woman who takes a Japanese car is attacked.
It seems to have attacked it all together as the mob who was the appearance of a Japanese car made a mistake as Japanese.
Japanese of a red title｢I am not Japanese. It has already stopped it. ｣｢It is asking. Please already pass it. ｣It is a meaning. http://photoimg.enjoyjapan.naver.com/view/47/43/enjoyjapan_17/27000/26173.jpg
Demonstration on anti-day of China The telephone relay is obstructed to the public peace police the NNN journalist. http//www.excite.co.jp/...
It is broken by 13 panes. The consulate general in Shanghai is opened to the public. http//www.excite.co.jp/...
China and demonstration on large-scale anti-day It is open to the public in the site of sea Consulate General of Japan after damage is received by the demonstration on the 16th. http//www.excite.co.jp/...
Consulate General of Japan and the damage situation of Shanghai are opened to the public. http//www.excite.co.jp/...
China and the Ocean Day this consulate general open it to the public in a site such as chairs that throws out and is crowded. http//www.excite.co.jp/...
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Anonymous2005-04-17 20:05
Chinese demonstrators attacked a chinese woman,
because she was in a Japanese car.
She crid,but Chinese demonstrators laughed at her,
kicked and threw eggs at her car.
Top-right picture:
she said "I'm not a Japanese!"
Middle-left picture:
she said "please let me pass!"
Middle-right picture:
telop"The woman in the car was Chinese."
Do you think this demonstration is justified?
I do NOT think so.
Chinese demonstrators attacked a chinese woman,
because she was in a Japanese car.
She crid,but Chinese demonstrators laughed at her,
kicked and threw eggs at her car.
Top-right picture:
she said "I'm not a Japanese!"
Middle-left picture:
she said "please let me pass!"
Middle-right picture:
telop"The woman in the car was Chinese."
Do you think this demonstration is justified?
I do NOT think so.
Gradient contents [ indication indication ] 1 Japanese war apology speech look source : free encyclopedia "ウィキペディア" (Wikipedia) 1970 age
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6 outsides link [ editing ] 1970 ages 09/29/1972 Prime Minister Tanaka Kakuei. The Japan hears the responsibility about were available war and gave serious damage to China people keenly, and reflects deeply on the side of Japan at the past the side of Japan confirms view it stands at the place where three "復交 principle" which the People's Republic of China government brought is understood an enough and attempts the realization of diplomatic relations normalization again China side is 。」 (the collaboration statement (Ministry of Foreign Affairs home page of the government of Japan and the People's Republic of China government), http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/china/nc_seimei.html.) which is one [ editing which welcomes this ] 1980 ages 08/24/1982 Prime Minister Suzuki Yoshiyuki. 08/26/1982 "which what also the criticism called" the [[ invasion "which is available the war of past, and is hearing the responsibility which gave serious damage keenly deeply" has needs (" war of press interview with schoolbook problem qtd. in Tabara Soichi Akira, Japan ". elementary school hall, 2000 : Tokyo, Japan. p. 161) to recognize." Miyazawa Kiichi Secretary of the Cabinet. Future stern, the 。」 (the talk (Ministry of Foreign Affairs home page about "History schoolbook."), http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/taisen/miyazawa.html.) which is the opinion which works hard to the development of the promotion of the freemasonry with neighborhood people and the friendship cooperation, and is contributing Asia furthermore to the peace of the world and the stability 09/06/1984 Showa emperor as take measure as after this prompt the same aim is realized but the Ministry of Education minister makes observation clear as a measure of the time to it and are assumed also this used to state the recognition that it hears the responsibility of Japan was available war and gave serious damage to China people keenly, and "Reflects deeply but confirm the reflection of our country of idem and determination, and one", the government of Japan and the people of Japan have walked the way by standing on reflection it to be aware of gave great pain and damage to the people of the countries of Asia where the act of our country includes the Republic of Korea and China deeply, and must not you to repeat the like this thing with the twice and determination and doing with peaceful nation at the past this recognition doesn't have also the slightly change also at the present our country the Republic of Korea the inside of the Japan and Korea collaboration コミニュニケ of 1965 (Shouwa 40) recognition "The relation of past to be regrettable and it to be reflecting deeply" China collaboration statement a "Past daytime the mind of daytime collaboration statement can be one for the schooling of our country, also the official approval of schoolbook which should be esteemed naturally, but gather criticism from the Republic of Korea, China and others about the description of our country schoolbook about such point the Japan and Korea collaboration communique which is like this two, today, listen sufficiently to these criticism when the friendship with the neighborhood various countries of Asia, friendship are moved forward, and correct at the responsibility of the government as our country pass through the discussion of book for the course of study official approval investigation discussion meeting, examine the official approval standard, and consider three, during because of this, future schoolbook official approval as the aim of above-mentioned is realized an enough to wangle the aim of above-mentioned two reflection fully about one which official approval has already been done at the place of education four, our country. To think what the unfortunate past kept at the temporality of "this century between the two countries to be regrettable verily, and not it to have to be repeated again, so to be 。」 (word (Nakano library of the Imperial Court dinner meeting of President Republic of Korea Chun Doo-hwan welcome), http://www.geocities.jp/nakanolib/choku/cs59.htm) 09/7/1984 Prime Minister Nakasone Yasuhiro. "It brought the difficulty which is great to your nation and your people and" remembers (" war of welcome luncheon qtd. in Tabara Soichi Akira, Japan ". elementary school hall, 2000 : Tokyo, Japan. p. 161) the sense of" deep regret "
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2tyannera2005-04-17 20:37 (sage)
1990's 04/18/1990. Minister of Foreign Affairs Nakayama Taro. "This tragedy of the one which just local remain and could not but live for really has the feeling that was sorry heartily as Japan for these various places without the various places that compulsion is made to emigrate to Sakhalin by intention of the Japanese government of those days, and was made to set to work by a story for one's intention can return to the ex-mother country with end of war". The 118th 」( Diet House of Representatives foreign affairs committee minutes 3 April 18, 1990. (Diet minutes search system) , http://kokkai.ndl.go.jp) 05/24/1990. The present Emperor. In "this unhappy time brought by our country, people of your country think of tasted pains, and I cannot forbid sense of deep regret". An Emperor's message of a President Noh Tae Woo welcome at 」( Imperial Court dinner. (Nakano library) , http://www.geocities.jp/nakanolib/choku/ch02.htm).
05/25/1990. Prime Minister Toshiki Kaifu. At "this opportunity that I meet President His Highness and did, one past time, various places of the Korean Peninsura reflect on it having been experienced unbearable pains and sorrow by an act of our country humbly and think that I want to state a feeling of being sorry openly". Greetings at President of 」( Republic of Korea Noh Tae Woo His Highness married couple welcome dinner. Collection of Kaifu speeches pp. 326-328. qtd in database "world and Japan" , http://www.ioc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~worldjpn/documents/texts/JPKR/19900525.S1J.html) 01/16/1992. Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa. "At first one past time, the your country nation remember a fact experienced for unbearable pains and sorrow by an act of our country above all, and it is 忘, a citizen of we Japan must do a feeling to reflect on if I will be". I want to state reflection and a feeling of apologizing for the your country nation as the Prime Minister some other time. A speech at President of 」( Republic of Korea Noh Tae Woo His Highness married couple sponsorship dinner. Collection of Miyazawa speeches pp. 89-91. qtd in database "world and Japan", http://www.ioc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~worldjpn/documents/texts/JPKR/19920116.S1J.html) 01/17/1992. Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa. In "interchange for several thousand years, our country is an assailant for historical 1:00 period, and it is the fact that your country was the victim that must not forget to be our country and relation with your country". I express will of reflection from a heart and a feeling of being sorry about it having been experienced sorrow with the pains that people of the Korean Peninsura are hard to bear by an act of our country the other day some other time here. A problem of so-called charity dame is taken up, but such a thing is to feel sad really, and I really am sorry, and I think recently. A policy speech (in Asia, Japan and Korea in the world-affiliated) in Republic of Korea visit of Prime Minister 」( Kiichi Miyazawa. Blue Book published by the Foreign Office 36, 383-388. qtd in database "world and Japan" , http://www.ioc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~worldjpn/documents/texts/exdpm/19920117.S1J.html ).
07/6/1992. Chief Cabinet Secretary Koichi Kato. For "all various places experienced indescribable hardship as so-called charity dame, I want to tell about being sorry and a feeling of reflection than the bottom of heart some other time without asking you nationality, state of things of hometown for the government". In addition, I stand with deep reflection and determination to have to never repeat such a mistake and maintain a situation as a peace nation firmly and I can turn in 未架 and should build new Japan and Korea relation and other Asia various countries, relation with an area and want to make an effort. Announcement about the issue of so-called charity dame of a person from 」( Korean Peninsura. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/taisen/kato.html ).
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2tyannera2005-04-17 20:45 (sage)
08/04/1993. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yohei Kono. "At all events this matter is the problem that hurt honor and dignity of a lot of women deeply with participation of the armed forces of those days". The government does not ask you the hometown some other time at this opportunity, and it is experienced a great number of pain as so-called charity dame and tells about being sorry and a feeling of reflection heartily for all various places where it was carried the wound that it extends over mind and body and is hard to heal on its back. "(Statement (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) about charity dame-related findings announcement, http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/taisen/kono.html ).)
(Nobuo Ishihara / Cabinet Secretariat first mate official talks in a claim - official record as a result of "business in diplomacy with Korea" just after a Kono statement) 08/11/1993. Prime Minister Morihiro Hosokawa. "Former war is aggression War, wrong war".) first after the Prime Minister 」( assumption of office
08/23/1993. Prime Minister Morihiro Hosokawa. "Then our country was able to become the country which enjoyed eminent prosperity and peace in the world now after 48 years". Was built on Great War sacrifice || of Tama of an achievement of all of you party of a senior generation || think that must not forget at all what came across. I think that it is vital we go to the world at this opportunity, and to make reflection to the past history and new determination clear. At first I borrow this seat and state reflection especially deep some other time and a feeling of being sorry that brought pains and the sorrow that an act of aggression or colonial rule of past our country are hard to bear many people (the 127th Diet (extraordinary session) 細川護熙内閣総理大臣所信表明演説.) (Japanese a database with "the world") http://www.ioc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~worldjpn/documents/texts/pm/19930823.SWJ.html ).
09/24/1993. Prime Minister Morihiro Hosokawa. "An act of our country where it is past that I used aggression War, expression of an act of aggression is the thing which described many people the same recognition that I brought unbearable pains and sorrow openly, and it is the thing which expressed reflection deep some other time and a feeling of being sorry". The 128th 」( Diet. (Diet minutes search system (National Diet Conference Minutes Search system) ), http://kokkai.ndl.go.jp ) .
08/31/1994. Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama. "The act that our country did for past 1:00 period brought the nation much sacrifice and has the broken heart that is hard to still heal it for people such as Asian neighboring countries". I stand in a feeling of deep reflection for an act of aggression or colonial rule of our country having brought pains and the sorrow that are hard to be worthy of many people and think that what I go to a bottom of determination of default of a game, creation of world peace and make power for is the course that Japan in the future should walk. Our country must look straight at the history of relation with Asian neighboring countries. An immovable base of mutual understanding and the mutual trust that I overcome each other's pains, and is built is indispensable, and so-called charity dame problem is the problem that injured honor and dignity of a woman deeply, and す ... wants to tell me about deep reflection from a heart and a feeling of being sorry some other time at this opportunity a citizen of Japan and a citizen of neighboring countries carry a hand with a citizen of Japan and a citizen of neighboring countries, and to open the future of Asia / the Pacific. For our country, included such a problem and looked the past history in the face and I was right and conveyed this in history and thought that it was to express being sorry and a feeling of reflection of our country to try for more increase of mutual understanding with various countries concerned, and this plan stood on such a feeling. A statement about a 」(「 peace friendship interchange plan. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage, http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/taisen/murayama.html).
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2tyannera2005-04-17 20:50 (sage)
07/na/1995. Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama. "A problem of so-called charity dame is the one, too". Former Japan force participates in this problem and hurt honor and dignity of many women deeply, and it is not an absolutely permissible thing. I want to tell about being very sorry for all people suffered the wound that it extends over mind and body as a charity dame and is hard to heal in. Greetings of an Asian peaceful nation fund start for a 」(「 woman. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage, http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/taisen/m_hosoku.html).
06/09/1995. House of Representatives resolution. "In addition, I do thought in many colonial rule and acts of aggression in world modern history and recognize the pain that such an act and the citizen whom our country did in the past of other countries gave a citizen of Asia various countries particularly and express sense of deep reflection". A resolution to refresh determination to peace for a lesson in the 」( history. Collection of Japan and China-affiliated standard document p. 817. qtd in database "world and Japan" , http://www.ioc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~worldjpn/documents/texts/docs/19950609.O1J.html) 08/15/1995. Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama. "Our country took the wrong one far-off past time, national policy and I walked a road to war and plunged the nation into a crisis of the life and death, and, in particular, by colonial rule and aggression, many countries inflicted it with the great damage for people of Asia various countries". I take a fact of this history that I cannot doubt humbly because I am going to occupy it from false ち nothing in the future, and I express will of reflection serious some other time here and express a feeling of being sorry from a heart. In addition, I give sense of deep condolence to a victim of all the inside and outside that this history brought. I stand in deep reflection, and today, our country which greeted the 50th anniversary from a day of defeat eliminate self-righteous nationalism, and responsibility promotes international cooperation as a member of the global community that there is and, through it, I push an idea and democracy of peace and must spread it. Our country aims at ultimate extinction of a nuclear weapon on the basis of an experience as an only being bombed country at the same time, and it is vital to promote reinforcement of the nucleus non-diffusion system international disarmament positively. I believe that it is it with the reason that this quiets the few neighbor pouring it for the past, evil spirits of sacrificed various places. Prove right on the 50th anniversary 」( postwar anniversary of the end of the war. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage, http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/press/danwa/07/dmu_0815.html).
06/23/1996. Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto. "For example, having said Mr. So changing name." It was to have had that we quite know it in education of a school, and, in addition, it was touched a problem of a charity dame, but ... that there is the thing which is more than enough in imagination how such a thing injured a heart of various places of a country of most thinks that there is not the problem that this problem injured honor and dignity of a woman as for me now. And I want to tell about apologizing and words of reflection heartily. A 」( Japan-Korea joint press conference (Prime Minister Hashimoto / 金泳三大統領共同記者会見). (prime minister's official residence homepage, http://www.kantei.go.jp/jp/hasimotosouri/speech/1996/kisya-0625.html).
10/8/1996. The present Emperor. There "were the times when one time, our country brought big pains to people of the Korean Peninsura". Deep sorrow for it is always left in my memory. An Emperor's message of a President Kim Dae-jung welcome of the present Emperor at 」( Imperial Court dinner. (Nakano library) , http://www.geocities.jp/nakanolib/choku/ch10.htm ).
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2tyannera2005-04-17 20:53 (sage)
08/28/1997. Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto. "Our country learns a lesson of the history, and I am right convinced that the viewpoint "that I assume an admonition of future affairs without forgetting what happened previously" settles in the nation widely". I have the Prime Minister statement that the Murayama former Prime Minister announced myself the year before last namely a thought the same as a thought that I "express a feeling of I take a fact of the history humbly and express will of reflection serious some other time here, and being sorry from a heart" and do it that, "in particular, many countries inflicted with the great damage for people of Asia various countries by colonial rule and aggression". When I decided this Prime Minister statement, I was a member of a cabinet. I think that it is the thing that is self-evident for we Japanese that a Japanese country is the determination that continues walking a road as a peace nation without it being it in the future in a military power even if I assume that there was the remark that may stimulate feelings of China side in one part in Japan. However, it is necessary I do not have flabby effort that distrust is not born in Asian various countries including China, and to be able to continue in oneself even if it is a clear thing. About the Japan and the United States security system which is the basis of security of our country, an opinion is expressed in various form by China side, but the effort that unties concern of China side because after all this problem repeats talks is indispensable and work of "the indicator" review how now I can advance to follows it and wants to take transparency since last year. I take you as stability and prosperity of Asia and the Pacific area, and China thinks that it is extremely important of affirmation and to play a constructive role, and the Japan-U.S. two countries must deepen cooperation with China with this connection more so that it is described in Japan-U.S. security treaty joint declaration definitely (- that - Yomiuri international economic social gathering gives a speech aiming at new diplomacy to China.) (a prime minister's official residence homepage) http://www.kantei.go.jp/jp/hasimotosouri/speech/1997/0829soriyomiuri.html ).
09/06/1997. Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto. I "announced determination that I would make power for peace while I stood on a feeling of deep reflection for this which the Japanese government took a Prime Minister statement and form to say in the 50th anniversary 1995 from a day of World War II defeat, and a past Japanese act gave unbearable sorrow and pains for people of most including China as our country, and being sorry". Myself am one of the cabinet ministers concerned with making of the statement. And I want to repeat that it is the situation where this is an official manner of the Japanese government. And I had you say so when I told China side about this in a discussion to be able to put between the leaders openly, and 李鵬総理 completely agreed to my remark. Prime Minister 」( inside and outside press conference record. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/kaidan/kiroku/s_hashi/arc_97/china97/kaiken.html ).
07/15/1998. Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto. "The our country government copes for this problem faithfully while I keenly realize moral responsibility about the issue of so-called charity dame, and cooperating with "an Asian peace nation fund for a woman" doing a business to express a feeling of a national compensation". Is deep, and the issue of so-called charity dame recognizes honor and dignity of a lot of women with the problem that was able to be hurt with participation of the armed forces of those days, and is experienced a great number of pain, and I want to tell your prime minister about holding being sorry from a heart and a feeling of reflection for various places of all cause charity dames who are due to for the wound that last for mind and body, and is hard to heal || "we escape from responsibility to the future from past heaviness, and do not give up". For our country, I look the past history in the face and want to incline all energy to increasing a friendly relationship with your country to invite the 400th anniversary interchange to in 2000 more while just conveying this in history. The letter point addressed to Prime Minister 」( cook. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) , http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/taisen/hashimoto.html ).
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10/08/1998. Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi. "Both leaders watched agreement of an opinion about it being important to develop the relation that the two countries looked straight at a past, and was based on mutual understanding and trust so that the Japan-Korea two countries built a firm neighborly friendship friendship collaborative relationship in the 21st century". Prime Minister Obuchi reviewed Japan-Korea two countries relation of this century and took the great damage and a fact of the history that I inflicted by colonial rule for the 1:00 period Korea nation when our country was past humbly and, for this, described being sorry from serious reflection and heart. It expressed the effect that was a request of the times to make an effort each other to develop the future intention relation that the two countries got over the past unhappy history, and was based on reconciliation and neighborly friendship friendship cooperation at the same time it is sincere, President Kim Dae-jung took an expression of history recognition of Prime Minister Obuchi who suffered, and to evaluate this. 」( Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi, Japan-Korea joint declaration, new Japan-Korea partnership for the 21st century. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/kaidan/yojin/arc_98/k_sengen.html ).
11/26/1998. Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi. I "think that it is the important basics to develop relation in the daytime both sides look a past in the face, and to recognize the history justly". Japan side observed Japan-China joint declaration of 1972 and a Prime Minister statement of August 15, 1995 and keenly realized a great misfortune and the responsibility that I caused damage to to the China nation by aggression to China of period at past 1:00 and expressed deep reflection for this. Japan side learns China side from a lesson of the history and hopes to maintain teachings of peaceful development firmly. Both sides develop a friendly relationship for a long time on these basics. Japan and China joint declaration about construction of friendship cooperation partnership for 」( peace and development. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/china/nc_sengen.html)
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2000's 08/17/2000. A Ryuichiro Yamazaki press secretary for foreign affairs. It is "written unless Japan apologizes about an act during World War II by this article once for China, but actually Japan repeats it about a fighting act and expresses apology". In August, 1995, I announce a Prime Minister Murayama formula statement, and Japan states that, "in particular, many countries inflicted it with the great damage for people of Asia various countries by colonial rule and aggression" and expresses "will of serious reflection" and "a feeling of being sorry from a heart", and, in addition, the Obuchi Prime Minister confirms Murayama statement for the Jiang Zemin Chairman who paid a state visit to Japan again among other things in 1998. Argument article August 17, 2000 New York Times publication (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) for an article of seven 」( press secretary for foreign affairs statement August, 2000 date New York Times, http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/press/danwa/12/dga_0817.html) 08/30/2000. Foreign Minister Yohei Kono. I "think that I pass through cabinet meeting decision to the 50th anniversary about history recognition after the war, and a way of thinking of our country becomes clear by departure from Murayama Prime Minister statement taken out". I was engaged in making of this statement as one of the cabinet ministers, but this is succeeded in the later successive cabinets, and it is common sense of many Japanese now, and it may be said that it is common recognition. In search of Minister of Foreign Affairs 」( speech true friendship cooperation partnership and. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/press/enzetsu/12/ekn_0830.html ).
04/03/2001. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuo Fukuda. "By the way, in particular, by one far-off past time, colonial rule and aggression, many countries take the great damage and the fact that they inflicted for people of Asia various countries humbly, and, about basic recognition about the history of the our country government, just what in a Prime Minister statement started departure from after the war on the 50th anniversary August 15, 1995, our country say that they express a feeling of being sorry from serious reflection and heart about it". Such recognition has been succeeded in the later successive cabinets, and, in an existing cabinet, this point is unchanged at all. About a history textbook of a junior high school used from 」( 2002. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) , http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/press/danwa/13/dfu_0403.html ).
09/08/2001. Foreign Minister Makiko Tanaka. "Japan never forgets what I inflicted with the great damage for people of many countries in the former Great War". Many people lost valuable life, and it was suffered a wound. In addition, I leave the scar that is hard to heal it among many people including a former war captive. I take a fact of such history humbly and confirm will of serious reflection of a Prime Minister Murayama statement of 1995 and a feeling of being sorry from a heart again here. Speech (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) , http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/press/enzetsu/13/etn_0908.html ). in the 50th anniversary 」( San Francisco peace treaty signature memory ceremony
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10/15/2001. Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi. I "had reflection from a heart and a feeling of apologizing toward having inflicted the Korea nation with the great damage by Japanese colonial rule". The Japan-Korea leaders talk together in confirming it 」( future-oriented cooperation. (Kyodo news), http//ch/... ).
na/na/2001. Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi. "So-called charity dame problem was the problem that hurt honor and dignity of a lot of women deeply with participation of the armed forces of those days". It is experienced a great number of pain as so-called charity dame as the Prime Minister of Japan some other time, and I tell about being sorry and a feeling of reflection heartily for all various places where it was carried the wound that it is hard to heal over mind and body on its back. I get away from responsibility to the future, and we do not give up from past heaviness either. I am based on apologizing and a feeling of reflection while keenly realizing moral responsibility for our country and look the past history in the face and I am right and convey this in history, and it is ... thinking that you must wrestle in many problems to be concerned with groundless violence honor and dignity of a woman positively. A letter of Prime Minister Koizumi for various places of an origin of 」( charity dame. (Asian Women's Fund) , http://www.awf.or.jp/fund/document/doc_12.html ).
09/17/2002. Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi. By "past colonial rule, I took the great damage and a fact of the history that I inflicted to Korean people humbly, and Japan side expressed a feeling of being sorry from serious reflection and heart". 」( day morning Pyongyang declaration. (Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage) http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/kaidan/s_koi/n_korea_02/sengen.html ).
08/15/2003. Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi. "In addition, in the former Great War, our country inflicted it with the great damage for many countries, people of, in particular, Asian various countries". On behalf of the nation, I refresh sense of deep reflection here and show will of condolence to sacrificed people heartily. A Prime Minister 」( whole country war dead memorial service address. (a prime minister's official residence homepage) http://www.kantei.go.jp/jp/koizumispeech/2003/08/15sikiji.html ).
I dunno who's Japanese or Wapanese here, but as a Chinese person myself, I hold no Anti-Japanese sentiments. However, I do believe that an atrocity like the Nanking Raping needs to be addressed. I feel peaceful rioting is justified, but not when it turns to violence. I agree that the violent protestors are complete morons for becoming blinded, but I feel that peaceful action must be taken for Japan to admit the wrongdoings of the Nanking Raping.
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Anonymous2005-05-26 11:49
You know - war is war. It's fucking ugly and brutal and horrid. But every country has been a part of war at some point. The only way to stop it is to move towards peace and forgiveness. While I don't excuse what ANYONE did in WWII, I don't think the Chinese with their convenient little 'white spots' in their own history have any right to claim moral high-ground over any other country. Instead of brewing further hatred, we all should be working towards understanding. Everyone has a different history depending on who you ask.
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Anonymous2005-05-27 16:49
I dunno who's Japanes or chinese here, but as a korean person myself I hold no Anti-Japanese or Chinese sentiments. However, I do believe that the numerous invasions of Korea made by China and Japan, and the eventual occupation of korea by japan needs to be addressed. Pweh.
>>63
I believe you're smart enough to understand this, Korean,
I'd be sorry about what the hell I do to YOU. Now what should I be sorry about?
I'd compensate for any of your property I ruin. Now what should I pay for, from my wallet?
The Japanese government has already apologized, paid money and LEGALLY finished its duty.
There will never be 1 more yen of compensation, neither a political concession over your dumb mention about "invasion" in the preceding war.
Chill out and obey the rules if you don't want to be called savage tribe.
Still, I regret the tragic history of the invasion and the war the other Japanese generation has made.
We've learned from the history to stay cool and promote world peace. No more same mistakes should be made.
And what's been happening in recent half century proves our reflection and apology to the dominants wasn't a delusion.
Well, look at what the Korean have been doing now.
Not an apology or compensation about Vietnam rape? Racism discrimination to them?
Takeshima=Dokto invasion? Murders of Japanese fishers in the result of abuse and tortures?
Denial of jury trial about Takeshima=Dokto just because you're pretty sure to lose?
A whole bunch of Korean spies taking over the Japanese political system?
Crimes and riots excused for the indulgence of "past Japanese Empire domination?"
Supporting Kim Jong-Il and Communist China's terrible mass-murderous domination of DPRK and China?
"shoot da nuke to jap, rape da jap bitches" song in the second place of pop trend chart?
Nuclear development secretly from IAEA??? WTF are you trying to do?
Burning, stepping on, spitting at Japanese/USA flags? That's what an educated one would never do!
Don't you feel any shame on "the Pro-Japanese Conviction Act" already? Haven't you ever heard of NAZISM?
Face your problems before facing Japan, when there's not much time to daydream upon the situation surrounding Korea!
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Anonymous2005-06-10 19:43
I think everybody is being an ass to Japan and the rest of the world doesn't care enough. If I were Japanese, I would be very pissed at this. Why should Japan be forced to apologize over and over? That's humilliating and unacceptable.
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Anonymous2005-06-11 3:32
(*´Д｀)
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Anonymous2005-06-11 12:44 (sage)
>>67
Not the rest of the world but just ethnic Ch****e and Ko****s.
They can't help perpetual apology demands to reassure themselves to be worthwhile, to cope with their huge inferiority complex.
They do not hesitate to fabricate or exaggerate factoids of the past to pose the "victim" role, very pathetic.
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Anonymous2005-06-11 14:41
And I wonder why would China have an inferiority complex. It's one of the oldest and longest civilizations ever. Ok, it sucked ass since the commies took it and killed the thing, but still, it's lame they feel they need to demonize Japan over and over.
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Anonymous2005-06-11 20:06 (sage)
STOP THIS FUCKING THREAD
it's not american's problem.
STFU PLEASE
"Koreans commonly describe anger as fire," he said, "and
think that if anger is suppressed for a long time, a group of
symptoms develops that is identified as hwa-byung.
Sometimes the term wool-hwa-byung is used, in which wool
means 'dense, thick or pent-up.'" Because many hwa-byung
patients relate their condition to the psychology of "haan," a
traditional culturally determined emotional state, Min considers
hwa-byung a culture-related syndrome of Korea.
>>73
STOP THIS FUCKING THREAD??? LMAO... it wont work in here, u dumbass!
i think its funny whenever someone from the 'speech control' countries like china meets an unpleasant discussion then simply try to interrupt it by yelling shitty words in hardly understandable attitude of anger and rage.
IN YOUR COUNTRY brute-force may work, but NOT IN OURS!
ur the one who's shuttin up when Jiang Ze-Ming's officers aint here to shut our mouths up.
no one here wants you to mess up people's rights of free speech so stop messing it up with ur shit and just get your ass back outta here kthx.
i said that
because this discussion is truly retarded.
some animufags who dont have any idea about japan-korea-china
history, said idiotical things because they love anime LOL.
and you if want to know go to your favourite liberal resource like BBC
and see what BBC(and any liberal media) thinks about nanking massacre. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/39166.stm :
Between December 1937 and March 1938 one of the worst massacres in modern times took place. Japanese troops captured the Chinese city of Nanking and embarked on a campaign of murder, rape and looting.
Based on estimates made by historians and charity organisations in the city at the time, between 250,000 and 300,000 people were killed, many of them women and children. The number of women raped was said by Westerners who were there to be 20,000, and there were widespread accounts of civilians being hacked to death.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 16:49
>>71
Get your head out of your ass. I'm not Amerikan. This board is international, and we may discuss any country's problems.
>>73 >>75
And I'm not Amerikan you retarded shithole. gb2/McDonalds.
>>76
Everybody did ugly shit. Your liberal China (lol) annihilated (I mean freed?) Tibet. gb2/Mother Russia and die of hunger there kthxbai.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 16:56 (sage)
>>77
idiot. im not sympathize to mainland china. but you act like stupid japanese nationalist(who will say to you GAIJIN GO HOME if you met him in japan lol) if you dont want to admit nanjing masscare.
fucking waps
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Anonymous2005-06-12 17:03
and >>76 yourself proved yourself don't quite know about the history among japan-korea-china.
have those liberal faggots ever told you there's no practical evidence about nanking rape?
have they ever told you there had been only 200,000 people in nanking at the time "300,000" killed?
have they ever told you nanking's population rather increased to 250,000 in the following year?
have they ever told you most "evidence photos" provided by the chinese are actually the pictures of japanese people killed by the chinese, from many other massacres that the chinese commited?
have they ever told you even in the communist china's record such an incident doesn't appear at all?
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Anonymous2005-06-12 17:17
denying nanjing massacre is like denying soviet crimes
in poland and baltic states!!!
you're great wap!!! you can even join japanese nationalists. and
yell "GAIJIN GO HOME" with them haha
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Anonymous2005-06-12 18:01
>>80
anser my questions in >>79. i am talking logically with historical evidences.
denying these facts officially approved in academic society is like denying the entire history, including "soviet crimes." lol
btw, isn't your chinese communist government trying to deny tiennanmen, tibet and vietnam?
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~sus/door.htm
this japanese site that i found, which analyzes "propaganda photos" shows some examples of propaganda pics.
take a look and compare them to realize nanking rape's lies.
i especially would like you to see the popular picture known as nanking evidence, in the second file.
this picture was actually brought from another massacre, the Jinan Incident, in which chinese killed japanese.
would you like me to talk a little more about jinan incident and related chinese massacres?
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Anonymous2005-06-12 18:27
>>81
how many times i need to say to you that im not chinese nor korean
nor japanese? if you too stupid to understand this i dont want to discuss with you. and why i need to answer your questions? first try to refuse that BBC article. and your 'facts' proofs nothing. yes NOTHING.
i can say it too lol smthng like
that in america everyday, million of children killed by niggers
or that 9/11 is gov. project lol
your "facts" are w/o proofs.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 18:33
answer to this please:
After the war, the _International Military Tribunal_ of the Far cited "indicat[ions] that the total number of civilians and prisoners-of-war murdered in Nanking and its immediate vicinity during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation was over 200,000. That these estimates are not exaggerated is borne out by the fact that burial societies and other organizations counted more than 155,000 bodies which they buried ... these figures do not take into account those persons whose bodies were destroyed by burning or by throwing them into the Yangtze River or otherwise disposed of by [the] Japanese." As well, "According to Japanese Lieutenant colonel Toshio Ohta's statement, between December 14 and December 18 the Japanese commanding headquarters of Nanjing Port disposed of 100,000 bodies while other troops disposed of 50,000.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 18:40
and you blame chinese gov. for censor. but look at japan:
|In 1988, a 30-second scene depicting the Rape of Nanking was removed from Bernardo Bertolucci's The Last Emperor by the film's Japanese distributor. |
LOL it's like soviet union propaganda
Videos taken from 1937.12.14 to early 1938 in Nanking.
http://www.dela-grante.net/michelin/up/so/No_0710.wmv
"In the refugee area managed by the international commission organized by 22 foreigners, at the beginning, there were many camouflaged chinese soldiers with weapons and ammo.
it is wondered how the true refugees were eased after these rebellion were firmly removed. (<-THIS IS THE TRUTH OF "NANKING RAPE")
Finally released from coercion conception of rebellion hunting, they made instant japanese flags and enjoyed interchange with .
look at these people, these children. Originally, our soldiers were not fighting these people."
"The citizens are helping the occupation force to reconstruct electricity. It is a pressing need to lighten Nanjing which has been under the lamplight regulation.
The cruelty left in disorder here and there is filled up. The recovery of road. The city is gradually taking back its spirit.
Now cheerful laughter can be heard here and there. Nanking is in the reconstruction."
"'The Japanese force came in peace.' Anti-Japanese posters were replaced to welcome messages.
Citizens are now rapidly coming back to Nanking more and more. These who exhausted of the war, recover vigor and return to the house in peace."
ok.
but why Im posting links to AMERICANS sites(neutral side) and you post
link to japanese sites(of course they dont want to accept nanking massacre just like fucking commies in soviet union dont want accept crimes against poland or baltic states occupation)??
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Anonymous2005-06-12 19:31
>>83 means just nothing more than that "somebody said so."
Show us the URL of the source article or how do you suppose us to rely on your external information?
The communist/liberal are liars. i never believe them after Soviet/China/DPRK have killed millions in the name of world peace.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 19:48
the source is google for "nanking massacre"
another AMERICAN article:
" Japanese occupation of Nanking, the capital of the Republic of China, lead to one of the greatest horrors of the century . This eyewitness report was filed by a New York Times reporter. "
From F. Tillman, "All Captives Slain,'' The New York Times,
December 18, 1937, pp. 1, 10.
JUST like every civilized country blame soviets for their war crimes, every civilized country blame japan for nanking. I agree that riot in mainland chine was terrible and unaccepable. but not only communist chinese do it. people in hong-kong(nothing to do with communism) did a protests(peaceful) too
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Anonymous2005-06-12 19:58
>>86
i'm trying to be fair letting you know my info is from japan.
you said yours is from USA but haven't proved it at all.
and note that it doesn't matter mine is from japan or not when pictures/videos exist there to show you the fact, unless they're lying.
photos/videos don't lie. the Chinese lied over them. that's why now the contradiction is challenging the Chinese themselves.
an evidence is evidence. just as a prosecutor can't ignore the lawyer's evidence, when my evidence from japan is obviously shown in considerable numeric facts, nobody cannot simply ignore it.
and i said the chinese government's assertion of 300,000 innosents killed, obviously contradicts against the facts.
thanks to the chinese government's worldwide propaganda, this issue of nanking rape is now considered totally true, all over the world. 300,000 including women and children were killed. wow that's horrible! people just stop thinking any more about the issue because they don't care about the oriental history.
but i do care. the power of evidences lets me talk in here.
and when i proved your statement is on at least doubtful proof, now it is your responsibility to deny the validity of the facts from japanese sites.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:16
So The New York Times is no more USA newspaper?
And BBC isnt western media?
And how the hell can chinese communism propaganda affect united states press? are you stupid moron or what?
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:17 (sage)
and if you say about photos/videos it's can be fake as anything. it's not hard to make a fake video.(im dont talk about these videos)
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:22
Oh! now i get it. you can't read!!! oh poor boy special for you:
from >>88.
as we know you're incredible stupid moron so i tell this article to you step-by-step:
1) the date is 1937 - no communism propaganda there
2) "This eyewitness report was filed by a New York Times reporter. "
see eyewitnees? you know what that word means? good boy
3) evidences :
"The killing of civilians was widespread. Foreigners who traveled widely through the city Wednesday found civilian dead on every street. Some of the victims were aged men, women and children."
"Policemen and firemen were special objects of attack. Many victims were bayoneted and some of the wounds were barbarously cruel.
Any person who ran because of fear or excitement was likely to be killed on the spot as was any one caught by roving patrols in streets or alleys after dark. Many slayings were witnessed by foreigners. "
"The Japanese looting amounted almost to plundering of the entire city. Nearly every building was entered by Japanese soldiers, often under the eyes of their officers, and the men took whatever they wanted. The Japanese soldiers often impressed Chinese to carry their loot....
The mass executions of war prisoners added to the horrors the Japanese brought to Nanking. After killing the Chinese soldiers who threw down their arms and surrendered, the Japanese combed the city for men in civilian garb who were suspected of being former soldiers.
In one building in the refugee zone 400 men were seized. They were marched off, tied in batches of fifty, between lines of riflemen and machine gunners, to the execution ground. "
okay i hope you will go to the url and read the whole article by yourself. even childrens from juniour school can do it. I have a faith in you:) stop wanking to hentai and discuss evangelion mysteries in animeforum and read article. maybe it's your first article.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:38
>>88
>The mass executions of war prisoners added to the horrors the Japanese brought to Nanking. After killing the Chinese soldiers who threw down their arms and surrendered, the Japanese combed the city for men in civilian garb who were suspected of being former soldiers.
camouflaged soldiers are combatant. this journalist is proving by himself that the japanese force were killing the chinese soldiers in combat.
wasn't this article about combats between chinese and japanese forces?
Some of the victims were aged men, women and children.
weren't you saying 300,000 innocents were killed???
he doesn't say all the citizens are dead! omg why is that?
there were only 200,000! without killing all of them, how did the japanese soldiers kill more than the population???
Any person who ran because of fear or excitement was likely to be killed on the spot as was any one caught by roving patrols in streets or alleys after dark. Foreigners who traveled widely through the city Wednesday found civilian dead on every street.
watch the video. where's afeared citizens? where's the corpses?
ok tell me why, why didn't any of those chinese citizens or japanese journalists even see a single stack of bodies as the victim of horrible massacre?
>>92
so i am saying, why can it be an EVIDENCE? when you said photos/videos can be faked ezly, what made you think a newspaper article can never be?
i deal with the article as an evidence. photos/videos too.
and claiming the journalist saw a combat, not massacre!
where are those innocent bodies that he saw? WHERE ARE 300000 BODIES???
he didn't write he saw that many corpses! he said many chinese soldiers were killed and some innocent were dead upon it!
who counted those bodies down the stream of a river?
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:48
>>80
You're a mainstreamer lamb who will buy anything Uncle Sam tells you, and will think everything that's written in your Amerikan History book (as well as the bible) is a fact.
In fact you just complained we're talking about something that happened outside Amerika, because this board is for Amerika only and nobody has intarweb access outside Amerika anyways.
Besides, you think saying something in favor of Japan, or just saying something Japan did was not as terrible as you think (even though it's still terrible), is being a wapanese. What if it's the truth? No, anybody who says anything on Japan's side is hopelessly wapanese. Yet if you say Japan raped 1827308515342598 Chinese, you're a liberal who care for human rights.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:50
obviously you can't read
The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated in its judgment that "over 200,000" or "over 100,000" civilians and prisoners of war were murdered during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation. That number was based on burial records submitted by two charitable organizations, the Red Swastika Society and the Chung Shan Tang (Tsung Shan Tong), the research done by Smythe and some estimates given by survivors.
At the _Tokyo Tribunal of War Criminals_, the Nanking Massacre death toll was presented either as "more than 200,000" or "more than 100,000". The extent of Japanese atrocities shocked the world as well as the Japanese public of the time.
more at wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:54
>>94
no you are wrong. I said that because you always telling about "fucking commies" and i wanted show to you that liberal media thinks of nanking too!
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:57
>>95
prisoners? no way. the victims were NOT under control of japanese force.
thousands of camouflage soldiers and some innocents were killed in combat events. sounds just right doesn't it?
there was NOT a 300,000 rape/massacre like you say.
it is totally ridiculous fantasy!
if you are still going to try on 300,000 innocents massacre, you'll have to tell me your idea about these below.
* WHO were those nanking's people? if 200,000 were there and 300,000 were killed, who were they?
* HOW the Japanese soldiers killed Chinese people
* HOW the Japanese processed 300,000 dead bodies
* WHY people in nanking didn't know about the massacre
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:58
>>84
Even if that is true (which is bad), you can't just compare that to your great, liberal, communist China.
>>86
American, neutral? ROFL. Amerika was at war with Japan back then. Therefore, Japan was 3bil and ate babies. Any country at war with Amerika eats babies, at least during the war period. That's the way of Uncle Sam and all the crap you've bought.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 20:59
>>95
Lol, because Wikipedia is always right, just like Amerikan newspapers and the bible.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:01
>>98
I am sorry but im not CHINESE MORON!!!i dont have a great sympathies to mainland china, but denying nanking massacre is just like denying nazi war crimes. only retarded japanese nationalist do it. and retarded japanese politics (im sure you know about Tokyo mayor who refer to foreigners in japan AS niggers)
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:02
your tactic :
the world historians are wrong only japanese historians are right.
lol
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:04
okay for the last time dumbass
At the _Tokyo Tribunal of War Criminals_, the Nanking Massacre death toll was presented either as "more than 200,000" or "more than 100,000". The extent of Japanese atrocities shocked the world as well as the Japanese public of the time.
more at wiki
SEE T O K Y O T R I B U N A L of war crimes
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:09
>>100
YOU are the one who's retarded.
i am saying japanese killed chinese, that's bad, but not like you pussies claim, they didn't kill 300,000 innocents or meant to!
if you talk about it, why not mention many other chinese vicious massacre of japanese innocents which has a bunch of obvious evidences?
you are apparently on the china's side on this, not on the humanity/morarity's. you are not trying to critisize murders. you just wanna attack japan.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:12
>>102
answer >>97
when you give us clear acceptable explanation about all the questions is when we all agree on the most terrible rape in the history.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:13
>>103
once again
read >>102
EVEN TOKYO TRIBUNAL says so. (not 300k but 200k or 100k which is horrible crime)
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:15
>>104
those question has been already answered by world's historians and TOKYO TRIBUNAL.
your tactic :
japanese historians are wrong only amerikan historians are right.
lol
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:21
>>105
so you don't even know how many of what kind of people died in the incident?
what was that "300,000" number? were you kidding?
how many did your **TOKYO TRIBUNAL** concluded died in nanking? i'm very very interested on it. just let me know.
don't forget to answer >>97.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:28
>>108
you are idiot. only neets and withdrawal persons from 2channel
think like you.
OKAY OFFICIAL INFORMATION:
"The horrible acts of the Japanese Army have now been revealed to the people for the first time," wrote the Asahi newspaper on July 26(1946).
On November 12, 1948, on the basis of a simple majority of the eleven judges, Matsui and Hirota, with five other convicted Class-A war criminals, were sentenced to death by hanging
Large parties of Chinese soldiers laid down their arms and surrendered outside Nanking; within 72 hours after their surrender they were killed in groups by machine gun fire along the bank of the Yangtze River. Over 30,000 such prisoners of war were so killed. There was not even a pretence of trial of these prisoners so massacred. Estimates made at a later date indicate that the total number of civilians and prisoners of war murdered in Nanking and its vicinity during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation was over 200,000. That these estimates are not exaggerated is borne out by the fact that burial societies and other organizations counted more than 155,000 bodies which they buried. They also reported that most of those were bound with their hands tied behind their backs. http://www.geocities.com/nankingatrocities/Tribunals/imtfe_03.htm
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:29
i forgot to write "." after word hanging...
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:30
In the International Military Tribunal for the Far East or the Nanking War Crimes Tribunal, death toll is given to range between 200,000 and 300,000. The death toll reckoned at the Nanking War Crimes Tribunal, is the official estimate engraved on the stone wall at the entrance of the "Memorial Hall for Compatriot Victims of the Japanese Military's Nanking Massacre" in Nanjing.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:31
you're like tokyo mayor ishihara:
Ishihara was speaking in the Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly Special Budget Committee meeting on February 24.
"Japan at the time did not have the capacity to systematically kill 400 thousand people in six weeks. Such an incident never happened," Ishihara said.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:32
Another brilliant speech from Ishihara:
Seismic activity is up in Japan this year. So what does Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara do? In an April 9 address to the Japanese army, he tells troops that "Atrocious crimes have been committed again and again by sangokujin and other foreigners. We can expect them to riot in the event of a disastrous earthquake."
Ishihara’s use of the 50-year old derogatory term "sangokujin" (an English-language equivalent would be "nigger") is especially disgusting.
SEE YOU IN JAPAN!
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:33
Now you see what kind of people denying nanking massacre?
moronic nationalists bastards like ishihara.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:36 (sage)
and please dont answer. i wont answer you next time.
bye. and see you in japan
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:51
>>109-116
OK, good boy,
finally, he himself proved tokyo tribunal itself was a fake. they couldn't answer any of these important questions, still convicted the japanese for hundreds of thousands.
follows my statement about tokyo tribunal. gimme some minutes.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 21:55
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/foc/2000/12/18/
"We accomplished what the l946-48 Tokyo Tribunal failed to do," says Matsui. She has been moved by the courage of tormented survivors who have gone public since the early l990s. Some 200,000 girls and women were forced into sexual slavery. The Japanese government at first denied having any evidence of "comfort station" operations, then claimed that they were run by private entrepreneurs. Finally, in 1993, it admitted the military's role in organizing the slave brothels. But it refused to take direct responsibility and only helped to set up a private fund to financially assist the victims.
SEE IT LOL
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1162005-06-12 23:02
from here i am going to explain why the nanking conviction in this guy's only ground "tokyo tribunal" was a fake.
recent studies conclude it was impossible that "burial societies and other organizations" could bury 155,000 bones.
first of all, remember what >>109 said the fact that burial societies and other organizations counted more than 155,000 bodies which they buried
this number 155,337 can be separated to:
112,366 from the "burial societies" and 43,071 from "other organizations."
the burial societies reported they have buried 43,071 bodies.
the other organizations reported they have buried 112,366 bodies.
however, according to Chinese government's official fact data of the time "The Nanjing city governmental general condition,"
* although the "burial societies" said they have buried 112,366 bones in the first 4 months after nanking rape, they were actually NOT doing any burial activity until 8 months after nanking incident. they did NOT bury a single body of nanking rape's victims.
* the other organizations' reported number includes everybody who died in nanking. but the number 43,000 included not only the victim of nanking rape.
actual number of victims might be no more than 30,000 and as the NYT journalist wrote, pretty much of the victims were killed in combat.
but the Tokyo Tribunal accepted this 155,000 number which is totally unreliable.
155,000 has been PROVED AS A FAKE. Tokyo Tribunal which based on this number was a fake.
when >>109 changed his assertion to that 100,000 died, i asked him how many Tokyo Tribunal said? he couldn't answer.
ok, here's the answer. even tokyo tribunal couldn't define the number.
in the verdict of nanking rape, three numbers 200,000+, 100,000+, and "thousands" appear as the number of victims in nanking rape.
the first and second one were obviously after the report of this "burial societies and other organizations."
nobody told you that the decisions of the trial were precedingly decided before the trial?
nobody told you that perjury would be excused in Tokyo Tribunal so the witnesses could tell lies?
nobody told you that only ONE out of the 11 judges had earned degree of international law?
nobody told you that the only judge who earned degree of international law concluded japan was totally innocent?
so, >>115
you don't have to answer for this one. i know you don't wanna.
bye. and see you in china, loser.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 23:19 (sage)
Well, I don't care about the Rape of Nanjing but I bet that guy was a Chinese for sure lol
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Anonymous2005-06-12 23:52
I grow very very mad when fucking white media and ignorant white people uses Tibet to paint China in a bad light. First off, look at a Qing Dynasty map, Tibet is part of China, no arguments there. When the Qing dynasty was weak, it was to the British interest in India to have a buffer state as big as Tibet. Second, Tibet is important to China because it is the source of the Yellow River and Yangtze River. Not to mention geographically, it is a natural wall that protects China. If Tibet is under the influence of any foreign power, water supply to the 2 most important rivers of China will be cut off.
And norinrad, lastly the Dalai Lama already said that TIbet is better off to remain in CHina. And etchnic Koreans are second-class citizens in Japan. And all the mess that is Taiwan/N Korea and S Korea are the products of white people and their ideologies. Do you know that after New CHina was formed under the commies, they have to negotiate with every neighbor that carved up China during the waning years of the Qing Dynasty to get back her territory? So STFU.
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Anonymous2005-06-12 23:54
Pls look at this and this.
The commies did not invade Tibet. Tibet is and will always be part of China. It was the British that instigated/brainwash the people of Tibet to be independent during the 1900s. How can you termed that as invading when the territory is yours to begin with?
And destroying the culture and artifacts did not just occured in Tibet alone. During the CUltural Revolution, alot of Chinese artifacts and backward traditions were got rid of too.
So screw you, you ignorant fucktard.
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1162005-06-13 0:05 (sage)
>>119
chinese government recently founded another internet spy section.
i think he's such a one since he knows too much as "not chinese."
i'm not saying nanking rape didn't happen. i think japanese soldiers did kill many innocents when fighting camoflaged chinise soldiers (camoflage and pretending an ordinary people was the chinese's old trick in the time) and therefore they who killed innocents deserve guilty at all.
just that now what they do is too much assume. i'm sure 5 years from now the chinese government will be claiming a million killed in nanking rape.
what they want seem to be more money and more consession from japan, forever.
60 years ago we japanese learned to stay peace. now thanks to china and korea, we're learning that peace can be only kept by mighty force and strong resolution not to invade anyone.
sry about all the mess. now shutting up.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 0:10 (sage)
If the Japs hate it, you know it's true
The japanese have been denying the atrocities they committed against the world for 60 years, why does anyone expect them to change when confronted with facts? The Shinto devotees were and are responsible for the outright racism that the japanese project. They have the blood of every victim of WW II in the pacific on their hands. We should have executed Hirohito and abolished the "royal" family, banned Shintoism from being practised. Then we wouldn't have these lying japanese trying to deny their barbarism and cruelty. What about the 100,000 innocent people massacred by japanese marines in the battle for Manila? Is that made up? The fact that japanese marines threw Filipino babies in the air and caught them on their bayonets isn't true? How about the rape and forced prostitution of Korean, Chinese and Philippines women? Unit 731, was that just a figment of our imagination? What about how the japanese marines tied people to their beds in hospitals, then set the hospitals on fire? Was that just some "jolly old fun"? Making people defecate on their religious altars, perform perverted acts with crucifixes, that was all made up? Torture and starvation of POW's under their control, outright murder of helpless human beings? The japanese people owe every American, Australian and British ex-POW an apology, and a whole truckload of money for each one of them for Mitsubishi, Mitsui, Kawasaki, etc, profiting from their slave labor.
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1162005-06-13 0:24 (sage)
>>119
chinese government recently founded another internet spy section.
i think he's such a one since he knows too much as "not chinese."
i'm not saying nanking rape didn't happen. i think japanese soldiers did kill many innocents when fighting camoflaged chinise soldiers (camoflage and pretending an ordinary people was the chinese's old trick in the time) and therefore they who killed innocents deserve guilty at all.
just that now what they do is too much assume. i'm sure 5 years from now the chinese government will be claiming a million killed in nanking rape.
what they want seem to be more money and more consession from japan, forever.
60 years ago we japanese learned to stay peace. now thanks to china and korea, we're learning that peace can be only kept by mighty force and strong resolution not to invade anyone.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 0:24
>>120 look at a Qing Dynasty map, Tibet is part of China, no arguments there.
so you're saying china is part of mongol because it's been?
Tibet is important to China
so you can go kill and extinct tibetian people eh?
it is a natural wall that protects China.
unlucky there wasn't a wall to protect Tibet.
If Tibet is under the influence of any foreign power, water supply to the 2 most important rivers of China will be cut off.
go to egypt and ask why they didn't invade uganda.
lastly the Dalai Lama already said that TIbet is better off to remain in CHina.
then why are your people trying to remove him?
etchnic Koreans are second-class citizens in Japan
i donno what you're talking about
all the mess that is Taiwan/N Korea and S Korea are the products of white people and their ideologies.
N/S korea are, but not Taiwan. it's been peaceful island country then China messed it up.
after New CHina was formed under the commies,
impossible cuz current communist china will soon separate to 7 or 8 parts and become whatever countries.
negotiate with every neighbor that carved up China during the waning years of the Qing Dynasty to get back her territory?
so should hong kong go back to england's domination?
i think they're better off under her majesty's rules.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 0:28
Zainichi (Resident Japan) is a euphemism for Koreans residing in Japan, most of them second- or third-generation Koreans who are not Japanese citizens but have never been to Korea. The hearing investigation to the first-generation of Zainichi, which was made by the Korean Residents Union in Japan itself in 1988, disclosed the fact that at least 80% of them entered Japan after the end of World War II joining the already large population of Koreans who were kidnapped/forced slaves to Japan during Japan's occupation of Korea, in order to escape the redbaiting made by the South Korean goverment, to avoid ravages of the Korean War, or to pursue economic success. Many Koreans living in Japan use Japanese names to hide their origin, in order to avoid the harsh racist treatment by the Japanese. Japanese Korean communities are split for their affiliations to North or South Korea.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 0:39
On that note, your perception of the Dalai Lama as a "peacelover" and "spiritual leader" is counter-acted by his involvement as an insurgent and puppet for the US government in fighting guerilla warfare against the Chinese.
And he ain't no saint. Pre-1959, Tibet ran a feudal government system. That is, the Lamas were the "royalty", and everyone else were the serfs. Apparently, the Lamas lived in huge 1000 room palaces, which employed a plethora of slaves.
I bet you've got one of those "free tibet" stickers on the side of your truck. Culture fads always pick up the weakest of them all.
Come on dude, if it's cool in Hollywood to be pro-tibet, it must be correct. I mean, even Pearl Jam is behind it!
lol
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Anonymous2005-06-13 0:39
>>123 What about the 100,000 innocent people massacred by japanese marines in the battle for Manila? Is that made up? The fact that japanese marines threw Filipino babies in the air and caught them on their bayonets isn't true? How about the rape and forced prostitution of Korean, Chinese and Philippines women? Unit 731, was that just a figment of our imagination? What about how the japanese marines tied people to their beds in hospitals, then set the hospitals on fire? Was that just some "jolly old fun"? Making people defecate on their religious altars, perform perverted acts with crucifixes, that was all made up? Torture and starvation of POW's under their control, outright murder of helpless human beings?
since i'm the newer generation who didn't experience the past world war, i don't know comma how many percent of what you just said is true, but one thing i can say is after japan's sincere apology and compensation they excused the mistakes and now with japan making positive relationship to help each others. and that's something China and Korea never did.
and i also can say if you want infinite money off us, it won't work any more.
oh i found something i can declare. the "prostitution" wasn't forced, unlike in many other countries in the time.
good luck!
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Anonymous2005-06-13 0:47
>>126
negative. more than 95% of 1st generation came into japan by his/her choice. some of them even sneaked in and some sneaking in even now.
racism treatment? no. we don't discriminate by BLOOD. but we may be a little more careful to avoid troubles when we know he/she's from different CULTURE. koreans are definitely tensed to treat, since they get mad easily and behave violent.
>>127
so what? that means nothing when the Chinese is KILLING tibetians. did Dalai Lama kill his people?
we're critisizing who are destroying others' happiness now.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 5:54
>>120
Tibet was an independent country. China took over it and tried to erase its culture.
>Dalai Lama already said that TIbet is better off to remain in CHina
Yes, and you know what? I think so too. Not because he said it, but because years have passed and I don't think it would be good for either Tibet or China to divide. You might think otherwise, but I like both, and I like what's good for both. Tibet however, needs more autonomy, and there's no denying what China once did on Tibet was wrong.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 6:00
>>123
>We should have executed Hirohito and abolished the "royal" family, banned Shintoism from being practised
Anybody who says something like this is simply a complete retard. gb2/maoist China, you leftard, let's see if you'd like communism once you're dying of hunger and being repressed in it. You wouldn't be able to speak like that in a message board like this in communist China, you know.
>>127
>the Lamas were the "royalty", and everyone else were the serfs
What's the problem with Royalty? The United Kingdom has it, Spain has it, Netherlands has it, and last time I checked, they are way better places to live than Amerika, and their governments don't run Internet spiders or corrupt spy agencies.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 6:03
>>128
Exactly. And that happened before all of us, and most of the Japanese even existed! Why are leftard losers still yelling at Japan for something what's currently known as Japan would never do?
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Anonymous2005-06-13 12:16
ultraright faggets.
Le Pen & tokyo mayor ishihara is your heroes lol
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Anonymous2005-06-13 13:35
Ishihara rox :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he saide that chinese people have a special 'criminal DNA'!!!
omg lol
"Japan - Defend your Internal Flank!" (Nihon yo - Uchinaru Bouei wo), a column by Tokyo Governor ISHIHARA Shintaro which appeared on the front page of the May 8, 2001 Sankei Shimbun
In due course, the perpetrators were captured, and, just as had been suspected, the crime was one of revenge among Chinese criminals. There is fear--and not without cause--that it will not be long before the entire nature of Japanese society itself will be altered by the spread of this type of crime that is indicative of the ethnic DNA [of the Chinese].
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Anonymous2005-06-13 18:44
>>134
ishihara ishihara... rofl! is that all you can say? sad
chinese spies' shady activities for past 40years has now been revealed under the sky, and we japanese are not brainwashed dumb as ever.
you COULD wish only some right-wing nuts are anti-chinese, but the truth is up to 92% of entire the country is now clearly recognized of recent communist china's selfish wish to dye up asia red, red and red!
do you think stupid japanese people still don't recognize the chinese nuke misiles, which were developed with money from japanese ODA, set toward tokyo?
do you think retarded japanese people still don't notice that chinese communist party is the biggest supporter of kim-jong-il?
do you still believe that japanese dumbheads aren't even informed that the japanese "democrats" are communist china's puppet?
anti-chinese has already become majority of japan, all because of your own aggressive activities afainst us.
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Anonymous2005-06-13 22:33 (sage)
shut the fuck up.
chinese
japanese
who cares?
you penises are FUCK SMALL!
and i must add that japanese penises looks
AWFUL. I am bisexual myself but i dont want to suck japs cocks!!!
lol
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1372005-06-13 23:40
>>138
sry i'm not japanese or chinese tho
penis what? u wanna talk about penis in here?
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Anonymous2005-06-13 23:53
>>140
no. you're japanese.
because only japanese will say
japanese penis = small but strong
gaijin penis = big but soft
lol
it's well known japanese stereotype
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Anonymous2005-06-14 0:19
LOL what are these desperate homos >136-140
c'mon peep just ignore them discuss on China
stfu i hate japanese assholes
never call me one of them fucker >141
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Anonymous2005-06-14 0:30
>>142
being homo is nothing wrong.
And i am not even homo. I am BISEXUAL
I have a very special BISEXUAL'S pride.
fail to comprehend full comment:
do you know what a serf means?
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Anonymous2005-08-05 10:49 (sage)
boring. old. irrelevant.
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Anonymous2005-08-08 17:15
Anything bad happening to China is hardly cause for saying 'terrible'.
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Anonymous2005-08-09 16:34
Christ. Before trying to wave around your Japanese ePenises, learn diction in the scope of internationall affairs. You think a few thousand demonstrators constitutes the sociopolitical paradigm of an entire nation?
>>20
It is Japan's style to take young women, saw their limbs off, then rape their Cadburied eyesockets and larynxes. Isn't art beautiful?
>>35 - 40
Yeah, so you've apologized. That's not what the current accusation is. The same apology doesn't work for every situation. The current criticism is that textbooks do not go into detail in the politial and economic policy of the Imperial regime, but rather states "it was all a lie to acquire resources." Your defense in the matter only confirms the accusation.
>>22
I'd like you to know that copy-paste does not constitute conversation. The demonstation was deemed illegal, all parties in violation have committed a crime. Flagburning is a political statement of discontent with a foreign sovereign power's policy or action. It doesn't have to be reciprocal. So of course you've never burned a flag in protest of foreign policy, they've done nothing to violate your national interests to warrant such.
Here's some advice for the lot of you.
1) Learn English if you plan to argue in said language.
2) Grow up. Your racist/nationalistic rhetoric doesn't hold water when your arguments become formulaic and banalistically trite.
Signed, the Chinese George Zimmer. I guarenfuckingtee it.
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Anonymous2005-08-09 20:28
not this shit again
orz...
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Anonymous2005-08-09 22:49
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politics! for teh win!
People actually using NewNew... For teh win!
oh, and remember, Chinese are less than human until the PLAN can actually contest the JMSDF. There's no point in arguing a Chinese point of view from a point of physical(political economic military) weakness.
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Anonymous2005-08-10 7:11 (sage)
you know, Nanjing massacre is real history, regardless of how you
interpret it, 300000 people were murdered
but this thread is simply stupid
I'd like to know how's possible to kill 300000 people out of some 200000... Maybe they killed them several times? Or maybe 200000 was a lie, and Nanjing could have had up to one million citizens. Who knows? You see, I like both China and Japan, both the Chinese and the Japanese. And just because of this, I think it's time to stop worrying about this. The war was terrible, with 300000, 200000, or just 300 people killed in Nanjing. But it happened a fucking long time ago. None of the people that drive either China or Japan are the ones who fought that war. Nobody should ever forget, but they may mend fences and even forgive. Will you be bitching about this forever? It's more constructive to be friendly now that so many years have passed. Both Japan and China have much to share and to benefit from getting over this.
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Anonymous2005-08-15 1:05
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I think you'd like to have known, that in a war, refugees flock to cities. "Oh noes! Japanese are practicing total war! Is it still safe outside a population center?"
Seriously guys stop it. This is getting out of hand.
- Junichiro Koizumi
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Anonymous2006-06-30 23:25
damn you forgot the comma
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Anonymous2006-07-01 0:17
>>172
We have no idea that where she comes from.
But what she did is in Japan.
And there r more sex videos with jap actresses in the world,arn't there?
>>189
'tis neither. Obviously just Olympic parades.
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Anonymous2008-08-29 23:52
WHAT HAPPEN AT THE LIMPIX
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Anonymous2008-09-05 11:28
Brother bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime
His sister had another, she paid it for a lime.
She put the lime in the coconut, and drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, and drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut,
Called the doctor, woke him up, and said,
“Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?
I say, Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?”
“Now let me get this straight;
You put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
You put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
You put the lime in the coconut,
called your doctor, woke him up, and said,
‘Doctor, ain’t there nothing I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?
I say, Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?’
You put the lime in the coconut, and drink them both down,
You put the lime in the cocount, you’re such a silly woman!
Put the lime in the coconut, and drink them both together,
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the morning.”
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