A terrible riot has happened in China now.

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Holding the Beijing Olympics is impossible.

>>80
anser my questions in >>79. i am talking logically with historical evidences.
denying these facts officially approved in academic society is like denying the entire history, including "soviet crimes." lol
btw, isn't your chinese communist government trying to deny tiennanmen, tibet and vietnam?

http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~sus/door.htm
this japanese site that i found, which analyzes "propaganda photos" shows some examples of propaganda pics.
take a look and compare them to realize nanking rape's lies.
i especially would like you to see the popular picture known as nanking evidence, in the second file.
this picture was actually brought from another massacre, the Jinan Incident, in which chinese killed japanese.
would you like me to talk a little more about jinan incident and related chinese massacres?

>>81
how many times i need to say to you that im not chinese nor korean
nor japanese? if you too stupid to understand this i dont want to discuss with you. and why i need to answer your questions? first try to refuse that BBC article. and your 'facts' proofs nothing. yes NOTHING.
i can say it too lol smthng like
that in america everyday, million of children killed by niggers
or that 9/11 is gov. project lol
your "facts" are w/o proofs.

answer to this please:
After the war, the _International Military Tribunal_ of the Far cited "indicat[ions] that the total number of civilians and prisoners-of-war murdered in Nanking and its immediate vicinity during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation was over 200,000. That these estimates are not exaggerated is borne out by the fact that burial societies and other organizations counted more than 155,000 bodies which they buried ... these figures do not take into account those persons whose bodies were destroyed by burning or by throwing them into the Yangtze River or otherwise disposed of by [the] Japanese." As well, "According to Japanese Lieutenant colonel Toshio Ohta's statement, between December 14 and December 18 the Japanese commanding headquarters of Nanjing Port disposed of 100,000 bodies while other troops disposed of 50,000.

and you blame chinese gov. for censor. but look at japan:
 |In 1988, a 30-second scene depicting the Rape of Nanking was removed from Bernardo Bertolucci's The Last Emperor by the film's Japanese distributor. |
LOL it's like soviet union propaganda

>>84
http://www.interq.or.jp/sheep/clarex/discovery/discovery03.html
some refutation with numerical facts. you mustn't be so dumb to still insist tens of thousands died anyway.


Videos taken from 1937.12.14 to early 1938 in Nanking.

http://www.dela-grante.net/michelin/up/so/No_0710.wmv
"In the refugee area managed by the international commission organized by 22 foreigners, at the beginning, there were many camouflaged chinese soldiers with weapons and ammo.
it is wondered how the true refugees were eased after these rebellion were firmly removed. (<-THIS IS THE TRUTH OF "NANKING RAPE")
Finally released from coercion conception of rebellion hunting, they made instant japanese flags and enjoyed interchange with .
look at these people, these children. Originally, our soldiers were not fighting these people."
"The citizens are helping the occupation force to reconstruct electricity. It is a pressing need to lighten Nanjing which has been under the lamplight regulation.
The cruelty left in disorder here and there is filled up. The recovery of road. The city is gradually taking back its spirit.
Now cheerful laughter can be heard here and there. Nanking is in the reconstruction."
"'The Japanese force came in peace.' Anti-Japanese posters were replaced to welcome messages.
Citizens are now rapidly coming back to Nanking more and more. These who exhausted of the war, recover vigor and return to the house in peace."

http://www.dela-grante.net/michelin/up/so/No_0711.wmv
http://www.dela-grante.net/michelin/up/so/No_0712.wmv
http://www.dela-grante.net/michelin/up/so/No_0713.wmv

ok.
but why Im posting links to AMERICANS sites(neutral side) and you post
link to japanese sites(of course they dont want to accept nanking massacre just like fucking commies in soviet union dont want accept crimes against poland or baltic states occupation)??

>>83 means just nothing more than that "somebody said so."
Show us the URL of the source article or how do you suppose us to rely on your external information?
The communist/liberal are liars. i never believe them after Soviet/China/DPRK have killed millions in the name of world peace.

the source is google for "nanking massacre"
another AMERICAN article:
" Japanese occupation of Nanking, the capital of the Republic of China, lead to one of the greatest horrors of the century . This eyewitness report was filed by a New York Times reporter. "

From F. Tillman, "All Captives Slain,'' The New York Times,
December 18, 1937, pp. 1, 10.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/nanking.html

JUST like every civilized country blame soviets for their war crimes, every civilized country blame japan for nanking. I agree that riot in mainland chine was terrible and unaccepable. but not only communist chinese do it. people in hong-kong(nothing to do with communism) did a protests(peaceful) too

>>86
i'm trying to be fair letting you know my info is from japan.
you said yours is from USA but haven't proved it at all.
and note that it doesn't matter mine is from japan or not when pictures/videos exist there to show you the fact, unless they're lying.

photos/videos don't lie. the Chinese lied over them. that's why now the contradiction is challenging the Chinese themselves.

an evidence is evidence. just as a prosecutor can't ignore the lawyer's evidence, when my evidence from japan is obviously shown in considerable numeric facts, nobody cannot simply ignore it.

and i said the chinese government's assertion of 300,000 innosents killed, obviously contradicts against the facts.

thanks to the chinese government's worldwide propaganda, this issue of nanking rape is now considered totally true, all over the world. 300,000 including women and children were killed. wow that's horrible! people just stop thinking any more about the issue because they don't care about the oriental history.

but i do care. the power of evidences lets me talk in here.
and when i proved your statement is on at least doubtful proof, now it is your responsibility to deny the validity of the facts from japanese sites.

So The New York Times is no more USA newspaper?
And BBC isnt western media?
And how the hell can chinese communism propaganda affect united states press? are you stupid moron or what?

and if you say about photos/videos it's can be fake as anything. it's not hard to make a fake video.(im dont talk about these videos)

Oh! now i get it. you can't read!!! oh poor boy special for you:
from >>88.
as we know you're incredible stupid moron so i tell this article to you step-by-step:
1) the date is 1937 - no communism propaganda there
2) "This eyewitness report was filed by a New York Times reporter. "
see eyewitnees? you know what that word means? good boy
3) evidences :
"The killing of civilians was widespread. Foreigners who traveled widely through the city Wednesday found civilian dead on every street. Some of the victims were aged men, women and children."
"Policemen and firemen were special objects of attack. Many victims were bayoneted and some of the wounds were barbarously cruel.

Any person who ran because of fear or excitement was likely to be killed on the spot as was any one caught by roving patrols in streets or alleys after dark. Many slayings were witnessed by foreigners. "
"The Japanese looting amounted almost to plundering of the entire city. Nearly every building was entered by Japanese soldiers, often under the eyes of their officers, and the men took whatever they wanted. The Japanese soldiers often impressed Chinese to carry their loot....

The mass executions of war prisoners added to the horrors the Japanese brought to Nanking. After killing the Chinese soldiers who threw down their arms and surrendered, the Japanese combed the city for men in civilian garb who were suspected of being former soldiers.

In one building in the refugee zone 400 men were seized. They were marched off, tied in batches of fifty, between lines of riflemen and machine gunners, to the execution ground. "

okay i hope you will go to the url and read the whole article by yourself. even childrens from juniour school can do it. I have a faith in you:) stop wanking to hentai and discuss evangelion mysteries in animeforum and read article. maybe it's your first article.

>>88
>The mass executions of war prisoners added to the horrors the Japanese brought to Nanking.
After killing the Chinese soldiers who threw down their arms and surrendered, the Japanese combed the city for men in civilian garb who were suspected of being former soldiers.

camouflaged soldiers are combatant. this journalist is proving by himself that the japanese force were killing the chinese soldiers in combat.
wasn't this article about combats between chinese and japanese forces?

Some of the victims were aged men, women and children.

weren't you saying 300,000 innocents were killed???
he doesn't say all the citizens are dead! omg why is that?
there were only 200,000! without killing all of them, how did the japanese soldiers kill more than the population???

Any person who ran because of fear or excitement was likely to be killed on the spot as was any one caught by roving patrols in streets or alleys after dark.
Foreigners who traveled widely through the city Wednesday found civilian dead on every street.

watch the video. where's afeared citizens? where's the corpses?
ok tell me why, why didn't any of those chinese citizens or japanese journalists even see a single stack of bodies as the victim of horrible massacre?

>>92
so i am saying, why can it be an EVIDENCE? when you said photos/videos can be faked ezly, what made you think a newspaper article can never be?
i deal with the article as an evidence. photos/videos too.
and claiming the journalist saw a combat, not massacre!
where are those innocent bodies that he saw? WHERE ARE 300000 BODIES???
he didn't write he saw that many corpses! he said many chinese soldiers were killed and some innocent were dead upon it!
who counted those bodies down the stream of a river?

>>80
You're a mainstreamer lamb who will buy anything Uncle Sam tells you, and will think everything that's written in your Amerikan History book (as well as the bible) is a fact.

In fact you just complained we're talking about something that happened outside Amerika, because this board is for Amerika only and nobody has intarweb access outside Amerika anyways.

Besides, you think saying something in favor of Japan, or just saying something Japan did was not as terrible as you think (even though it's still terrible), is being a wapanese. What if it's the truth? No, anybody who says anything on Japan's side is hopelessly wapanese. Yet if you say Japan raped 1827308515342598 Chinese, you're a liberal who care for human rights.

obviously you can't read
The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated in its judgment that "over 200,000" or "over 100,000" civilians and prisoners of war were murdered during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation. That number was based on burial records submitted by two charitable organizations, the Red Swastika Society and the Chung Shan Tang (Tsung Shan Tong), the research done by Smythe and some estimates given by survivors.
At the _Tokyo Tribunal of War Criminals_, the Nanking Massacre death toll was presented either as "more than 200,000" or "more than 100,000". The extent of Japanese atrocities shocked the world as well as the Japanese public of the time.
more at wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

>>94
no you are wrong. I said that because you always telling about "fucking commies" and i wanted show to you that liberal media thinks of nanking too!

>>95
prisoners? no way. the victims were NOT under control of japanese force.
thousands of camouflage soldiers and some innocents were killed in combat events. sounds just right doesn't it?
there was NOT a 300,000 rape/massacre like you say.
it is totally ridiculous fantasy!

if you are still going to try on 300,000 innocents massacre, you'll have to tell me your idea about these below.
* WHO were those nanking's people? if 200,000 were there and 300,000 were killed, who were they?
* HOW the Japanese soldiers killed Chinese people
* HOW the Japanese processed 300,000 dead bodies
* WHY people in nanking didn't know about the massacre

>>84
Even if that is true (which is bad), you can't just compare that to your great, liberal, communist China.

>>86
American, neutral? ROFL. Amerika was at war with Japan back then. Therefore, Japan was 3bil and ate babies. Any country at war with Amerika eats babies, at least during the war period. That's the way of Uncle Sam and all the crap you've bought.

>>95
Lol, because Wikipedia is always right, just like Amerikan newspapers and the bible.

>>98
I am sorry but im not CHINESE MORON!!!i dont have a great sympathies to mainland china, but denying nanking massacre is just like denying nazi war crimes. only retarded japanese nationalist do it. and retarded japanese politics (im sure you know about Tokyo mayor who refer to foreigners in japan AS niggers)

your tactic :
the world historians are wrong only japanese historians are right.
lol

okay for the last time dumbass
At the _Tokyo Tribunal of War Criminals_, the Nanking Massacre death toll was presented either as "more than 200,000" or "more than 100,000". The extent of Japanese atrocities shocked the world as well as the Japanese public of the time.
more at wiki
SEE    T O K Y O  T R I B U N A L  of war crimes

>>100
YOU are the one who's retarded.
i am saying japanese killed chinese, that's bad, but not like you pussies claim, they didn't kill 300,000 innocents or meant to!
if you talk about it, why not mention many other chinese vicious massacre of japanese innocents which has a bunch of obvious evidences?
you are apparently on the china's side on this, not on the humanity/morarity's. you are not trying to critisize murders. you just wanna attack japan.

>>102
answer >>97
when you give us clear acceptable explanation about all the questions is when we all agree on the most terrible rape in the history.

>>103
once again
read >>102
 EVEN TOKYO TRIBUNAL says so. (not 300k but 200k or 100k which is horrible crime)

>>104
those question has been already answered by world's historians and TOKYO TRIBUNAL.

>>101

your tactic :
japanese historians are wrong only amerikan historians are right.
lol

>>105
so you don't even know how many of what kind of people died in the incident?
what was that "300,000" number? were you kidding?
how many did your **TOKYO TRIBUNAL** concluded died in nanking? i'm very very interested on it. just let me know.
don't forget to answer >>97.

>>108
you are idiot. only neets and withdrawal persons from 2channel
think like you.
OKAY OFFICIAL INFORMATION:
"The horrible acts of the Japanese Army have now been revealed to the people for the first time," wrote the Asahi newspaper on July 26(1946).
On November 12, 1948, on the basis of a simple majority of the eleven judges, Matsui and Hirota, with five other convicted Class-A war criminals, were sentenced to death by hanging
Large parties of Chinese soldiers laid down their arms and surrendered outside Nanking; within 72 hours after their surrender they were killed in groups by machine gun fire along the bank of the Yangtze River. Over 30,000 such prisoners of war were so killed. There was not even a pretence of trial of these prisoners so massacred. Estimates made at a later date indicate that the total number of civilians and prisoners of war murdered in Nanking and its vicinity during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation was over 200,000. That these estimates are not exaggerated is borne out by the fact that burial societies and other organizations counted more than 155,000 bodies which they buried. They also reported that most of those were bound with their hands tied behind their backs.
http://www.geocities.com/nankingatrocities/Tribunals/imtfe_03.htm

i forgot to write "." after word hanging...

In the International Military Tribunal for the Far East or the Nanking War Crimes Tribunal, death toll is given to range between 200,000 and 300,000. The death toll reckoned at the Nanking War Crimes Tribunal, is the official estimate engraved on the stone wall at the entrance of the "Memorial Hall for Compatriot Victims of the Japanese Military's Nanking Massacre" in Nanjing.

you're like tokyo mayor ishihara:
 Ishihara was speaking in the Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly Special Budget Committee meeting on February 24.

"Japan at the time did not have the capacity to systematically kill 400 thousand people in six weeks. Such an incident never happened," Ishihara said.

Another brilliant speech from Ishihara:
Seismic activity is up in Japan this year. So what does Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara do? In an April 9 address to the Japanese army, he tells troops that "Atrocious crimes have been committed again and again by sangokujin and other foreigners. We can expect them to riot in the event of a disastrous earthquake."
Ishihara’s use of the 50-year old derogatory term "sangokujin" (an English-language equivalent would be "nigger") is especially disgusting.
SEE YOU IN JAPAN!

Now you see what kind of people denying nanking massacre?
moronic nationalists bastards like ishihara.

and please dont answer. i wont answer you next time.
bye. and see you in japan

>>109-116
OK, good boy,
finally, he himself proved tokyo tribunal itself was a fake. they couldn't answer any of these important questions, still convicted the japanese for hundreds of thousands.
follows my statement about tokyo tribunal. gimme some minutes.

http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/foc/2000/12/18/
"We accomplished what the l946-48 Tokyo Tribunal failed to do," says Matsui. She has been moved by the courage of tormented survivors who have gone public since the early l990s. Some 200,000 girls and women were forced into sexual slavery. The Japanese government at first denied having any evidence of "comfort station" operations, then claimed that they were run by private entrepreneurs. Finally, in 1993, it admitted the military's role in organizing the slave brothels. But it refused to take direct responsibility and only helped to set up a private fund to financially assist the victims.
SEE IT LOL

from here i am going to explain why the nanking conviction in this guy's only ground "tokyo tribunal" was a fake.

recent studies conclude it was impossible that "burial societies and other organizations" could bury 155,000 bones.

first of all, remember what >>109 said
the fact that burial societies and other organizations counted more than 155,000 bodies which they buried

this number 155,337 can be separated to:
112,366 from the "burial societies" and 43,071 from "other organizations."
the burial societies reported they have buried 43,071 bodies.
the other organizations reported they have buried 112,366 bodies.

however, according to Chinese government's official fact data of the time "The Nanjing city governmental general condition,"
* although the "burial societies" said they have buried 112,366 bones in the first 4 months after nanking rape, they were actually NOT doing any burial activity until 8 months after nanking incident. they did NOT bury a single body of nanking rape's victims.
* the other organizations' reported number includes everybody who died in nanking. but the number 43,000 included not only the victim of nanking rape.

actual number of victims might be no more than 30,000 and as the NYT journalist wrote, pretty much of the victims were killed in combat.

but the Tokyo Tribunal accepted this 155,000 number which is totally unreliable.
155,000 has been PROVED AS A FAKE. Tokyo Tribunal which based on this number was a fake.

when >>109 changed his assertion to that 100,000 died, i asked him how many Tokyo Tribunal said? he couldn't answer.
ok, here's the answer. even tokyo tribunal couldn't define the number.
in the verdict of nanking rape, three numbers 200,000+, 100,000+, and "thousands" appear as the number of victims in nanking rape.
the first and second one were obviously after the report of this "burial societies and other organizations."

nobody told you that the decisions of the trial were precedingly decided before the trial?
nobody told you that perjury would be excused in Tokyo Tribunal so the witnesses could tell lies?
nobody told you that only ONE out of the 11 judges had earned degree of international law?
nobody told you that the only judge who earned degree of international law concluded japan was totally innocent?

so, >>115
you don't have to answer for this one. i know you don't wanna.
bye. and see you in china, loser.

Well, I don't care about the Rape of Nanjing but I bet that guy was a Chinese for sure lol

I grow very very mad when fucking white media and ignorant white people uses Tibet to paint China in a bad light. First off, look at a Qing Dynasty map, Tibet is part of China, no arguments there. When the Qing dynasty was weak, it was to the British interest in India to have a buffer state as big as Tibet. Second, Tibet is important to China because it is the source of the Yellow River and Yangtze River. Not to mention geographically, it is a natural wall that protects China. If Tibet is under the influence of any foreign power, water supply to the 2 most important rivers of China will be cut off.

And norinrad, lastly the Dalai Lama already said that TIbet is better off to remain in CHina. And etchnic Koreans are second-class citizens in Japan. And all the mess that is Taiwan/N Korea and S Korea are the products of white people and their ideologies. Do you know that after New CHina was formed under the commies, they have to negotiate with every neighbor that carved up China during the waning years of the Qing Dynasty to get back her territory? So STFU.