AVI Video Jogging

Are there any other programs besides quicktime that easily allow you to jog between frames of a movie?  Especially with the arrow keys.  Quicktime doesn't support enough codecs and I'd like to study some animation on a frame by frame basis.  Quicktime hates a lot of codecs.  (XVID etc) 

Any good apps that make it easy?

MPlayer.

Only seems to be able to jog forward, but thanks. It helps.

Looks like Media Player Classic works.

>>1
Depending on the codec, you cannot go backwards except to a keyframe. It's not a problem of players, but a design issue of the codec (which is desirable - further compression).

Regardless of that, what in the hell are you doing with QuickTime!? Stop using that piece of shit abort of a player, and get a good one; at this point anything is better than QuickTime. As a codec, it sucks as well, it's a piece of shit format that forces you to use piece of shit codecs. Apple always sucked at this.

>>5
I don't use it as a player.  I only mentioned it because it can do what I was looking for in other players.  Thanks for the info though.

>>1
Uh, are you on a Mac? http://www.perian.org/ covers most of everything. If you're on Windows, yeah, Quicktime is awful, and I don't have any recommendations besides maybe loading the movie in Virtualdub or something like that.

>>6
Fuck you.  We know you secretly fap to Quicktime.  RTFM+STFU+GTFO.

>>1
Uh, are you on a Mac? Enjoy your $5000 off

>>9
Actually enjoy your fucking around on 4chan trying to do something a Mac can do quickly and easily

Don't consider it as an alternative for your application, but 3ivx codec is available for QuickTime on both Mac and Windows.  It will play MPEG-4-based codecs like divx/xvid.

>>5
Hahaha, hatertard.  Agreed, it's not the typical *ivx pirate's platform of choice on Windows, but at the professional level, it has offered more features than alternatives like AVI since the early 90s.  The MOV container format is still superior to almost everything else including AVI and WMV/ASF (LOL), and the question of codecs was moot up until MS started shaking things up in commercial space with their sucky-at-first codecs and the rise of MPEG-4, since all codecs were also produced for QuickTime.  "Always" my ass.

>>11
Container: Matroska > OGG Media > AVI > WMV/ASF > MOV
Video codec: Theora > H.264 > XviD > DivX > *
Audio codec: Vorbis > MP3 > *

>>10
HAHA OH WOW

>>12
lol theora > h264

Go back to crying all the fucking time about how nothing supports the formats you use, so you can one day realise that "openness" is a shitty and useless selection criteria for these formats.

>>14
HAHA OH WOW

>>1
If you've a lot of HDD space (and I do mean A LOT), decompress to Uncompressed RGB which will free the .avi of keyframes (or make all frames keyframes?) and then enjoy (PROFIT). Expect to hear ridiculous amounts of HDD activity during jogging.

>>5
I like how you use the words 'codec' and 'format' interchangeably when they're clearly two very different and distinct things.

>>11
While I agree that >>5 is not very bright, remember that OP is not restricted to commercial or obliged to use professional formats so your allegation that MOV is superior is irrelevant to this thread. "Still superior to almost everything else" my ass.

>>12 Container: Matroska > OGG Media > AVI > WMV/ASF > MOV
Lacks *. SUGGESTION:
Container: Matroska > OGG Media > AVI > WMV/ASF > MOV > * > RM

>>12
>>16
Parboiled failures.  MOV/MP4 sits between MKV and OGM.  AVI can't even interleave more than a single video and a single audio stream.  No text (so no embedded softsubs), no other additional streams, sloppy editing and cueing, etc.  WMV is codec-bound and ASF is DRM-friendly, as in both being FAR WORSE than MOV.  OGM is stream-limited (multiple streams of predetermined types, not extensible).  As for MKV, I would hope it would be as robust as it is, since it was modeled after MOV/MP4 in terms of functionality, ignoring strict DRM.

Again, MOV was doing simultaneous video stream + multiple selectable audio stream + 3D model stream + text stream (+ LOL midi stream and LOL image stream) back in 1993.

Codecs for lil' pirates?  Don't let Ogg politics cloud your judgment.  Right now:
H.264 > Theora
AC3 (ripped, non-transcoded multichannel) > Vorbis multichannel > AAC multichannel > LAME MP3 (stereo/DPL only) > *

>>16
Container: Matroska > OGG Media > AVI > WMV/ASF > MOV > * > RM
Agreed

>>17
MOV may have better features than AVI, but it has poor player support and it's Apple-centric, which means shit-ware centric (QuickTime, etc.) and piss-expensive-hardware-centric.

Matroska supports a shitload of streams and a shitload of Unicode subtitles. It's clearly the best format.

Okay, I'll be explicit about it, then.  From my experience, for end-user functionality within supported/available players and editing tools:
MKV > MOV/MP4 > OGM > DIVX (hahaha) > WMV/ASF > RM/RMVB > AVI

After adjusting ranks with DRM, codec/platform restrictions, ubiquity in the piracy scene, and available workarounds (like external softsubs for AVI) under consideration in Windows:
MKV > OGM > AVI > MOV/MP4 > WMV/ASF > RM/RMVB > DIVX (HAHAHAHA)

For supported playback on standalones (DVD, PMP):
MOV/MP4 (MP4 is THE current trend) > AVI > WMV/ASF > DIVX (pretty good support, but almost useless because everything does AVI too) > RM/RMVB >>>>> OGM > MKV

>>18
Is MOV really shitware centric? You could say the same of AVI in terms of it not having any official means to be played on anything other than a Windows PC in Windows Media Player. What marks the difference between MOV and WMV\RM\DIVX is that MOV is supported well by many players on many platforms, even if QuickTime Player is the only official way, and that WMV and RM have historically been harder for people to reverse engineer or otherwise provide good reliable support for in alternative players\platforms.

Regardless, MP4 seems to be where it's at for a balance of features and widely-accepted-ness. I wish there was an easy conversion MOV->MP4 tool I knew of so I could standardise my stuff on it.

>>17,19
Not OP, but I enjoyed these posts, they were informative. Good job anonymous